Look at the NHS - a £6 billion budget for a nationwide system to unify hospitals. £6 billion!? The institution employs 250,000... even giving everybody a machine at £400 each you're talking little more than £100 million. Networking... decent servers and software... where the hell do they spend £6 billion? On outsourcing it to probably 13 or 14 different operators.
Software probably, its not like Microsoft HealthService 2003 ships as part of office.
Integrating 100's of information sources and making them securely/reliably available to all the others can't have been cheap.
Unifying hospitals is a bit more than actually wireing them together, in fact thats barely the start.
One thing spammers always get correct in spam, is the details of how to buy whatever they are advertising
Why don't we ignore the spammers and punish the companies who's products are being advertised?
Spam wouldn't exist if people weren't paying the spammers to spam.
Target the advertisers contact details, like how BT disconnects numbers advertised on tart cards in London phone boxes.
"Sure you can advertise by spam it'll cost you $10000 for 2^8 mails unfortunatly within 12 minutes of the 1st mail going out your contact email and website will be deleted."
Why in the world would England want to adopt the Euro?
I think that was his point - what he said was "We already saw how quick England was to jump on the EC bandwagon and adopt the Euro" ie "not very quickly" (in fact not at all yet).
So tell me... if this electricity company is so amazingly successful, why aren't private companies doing the same thing? Your argument begins with the assumption that the government can do something better than a private company, which is in error. There are plenty of companies that weren't profitable for several years (thus, the creation of Venture Capitalists, who provide money to run a company that they believe will one day pay them back).
Private companies do not do it because the very short-term return on investment is not attractive enough.
In addition the public sector can borrow money more cheaply as they will have a better credit rating.
and Symantec has just the product to sort all this out?
Who is modding this as interesting? I think it's supposed to be funny. I smell Symantec employees modding this up.
Its an attempt at sarcasm at way past my bedtime, I'd imagine that Symantec people have better things to do on a weekend other than hang on/. to suck up to work.
More importantly, imagine if Reiser's view of the GPL was the norm. You write a good piece of software, someone else extends it a bit and slaps adds all over the place. You're now locked out from using their improvements unless you add in all their advertising.
What bit of the GPL says you have to use all of a patch someone submits? The maintainer doesn't have to accept the advert + the code - you haven't thought that comment out very well.
Most people want an OS that meets their needs and does that in a predicatable fashion.
This innovation stuff microsoft constantly throw at us is the stuff that Microsofties bang on about, but that no one uses in production for 5 years because "it'll be much faster/more stable/etc/etc in the next version" (ie - great idea, shit implimentation).
How come people always want things for free? What's the deal? Sometimes I think that people's adversion to capitalism hurts companies worse then Microsoft's anti-trust violations.
Cos then they can spend the money on blank CD's to pirate music onto.
You have to wonder how long a company can support an operating system. You have to remember that NT was released in the the mid-90s so its 7+ years old. Microsoft is beginning to put NT4 to end of life and that the people who will really know the code may of left Microsoft or moved on.
Forever is the answer to your question - if they had a decent sustaining organisation they wouldn't run into problems like this - they'd have people who's job it was to know the source.
I work with the DoD. They use encryption devices quite a bit. These devices always request fragmentation (they need some room too you know). I don't know how many times I've pleaded with a firewall admin to let ICMP type 3 (code 4) through.
I'm RIGHT with you on this one brother - networks that don't allow this don't meet RFC spec so are not networks.
Hackers have been doing this forever, why write your own 0-day when you can steal other peoples? why find your own vulnerabilities when you can read some security experts email and "borrow" their research? Apparently its amazing how many security researchers have insecure computers/data storage.
Why was Mitnick originally poking around Shimomura's computers?
Wasn't there a breakin to the Well (before well.com) for a similar reason about 10/12 years ago?
Finally, let's use a non-digital example. If (e.g.) Consumer Reports found a flaw in a popular child car seat that could cause severe injury to a child, which path would you prefer they take:
What usually happens in this scenario is that parents remove the childs seats in blind panic and as a result 10x more kids are killed by seatbelts and not being in carseats than would have been killed by the carseats.
"SuSE Linux 8.2 also includes a pre-release of gcc 3.3"
Interesting choice - apparently GCC 3.3 includes a lot of work SuSE have contributed. Will this be as controversal as Redhat's compiler choice of 2.96 a while back?
The only large organisation I know where no Microsoft software is used is Sun. Although some of the staff use Windows laptops - so even that isn't totally true.
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Look at the NHS - a £6 billion budget for a nationwide system to unify hospitals. £6 billion!? The institution employs 250,000... even giving everybody a machine at £400 each you're talking little more than £100 million. Networking... decent servers and software... where the hell do they spend £6 billion? On outsourcing it to probably 13 or 14 different operators.
Software probably, its not like Microsoft HealthService 2003 ships as part of office.
Integrating 100's of information sources and making them securely/reliably available to all the others can't have been cheap.
Unifying hospitals is a bit more than actually wireing them together, in fact thats barely the start.
Alex
One thing spammers always get correct in spam, is the details of how to buy whatever they are advertising
Why don't we ignore the spammers and punish the companies who's products are being advertised?
Spam wouldn't exist if people weren't paying the spammers to spam.
Target the advertisers contact details, like how BT disconnects numbers advertised on tart cards in London phone boxes.
"Sure you can advertise by spam it'll cost you $10000 for 2^8 mails unfortunatly within 12 minutes of the 1st mail going out your contact email and website will be deleted."
Alex
Why in the world would England want to adopt the Euro?
I think that was his point - what he said was "We already saw how quick England was to jump on the EC bandwagon and adopt the Euro" ie "not very quickly" (in fact not at all yet).
Alex
So tell me... if this electricity company is so amazingly successful, why aren't private companies doing the same thing? Your argument begins with the assumption that the government can do something better than a private company, which is in error. There are plenty of companies that weren't profitable for several years (thus, the creation of Venture Capitalists, who provide money to run a company that they believe will one day pay them back).
Private companies do not do it because the very short-term return on investment is not attractive enough.
In addition the public sector can borrow money more cheaply as they will have a better credit rating.
Alex
No big companies pay list price for IBM stuff. Larger customers get a 20-40% discount.
Dell also discounts off list prices
Sun does the same,
Alex
and Symantec has just the product to sort all this out?
Who is modding this as interesting? I think it's supposed to be funny. I smell Symantec employees modding this up.
Its an attempt at sarcasm at way past my bedtime, I'd imagine that Symantec people have better things to do on a weekend other than hang on
and Symantec has just the product to sort all this out?
Alex
cabs don't pay congestion charge
Alex
More importantly, imagine if Reiser's view of the GPL was the norm. You write a good piece of software, someone else extends it a bit and slaps adds all over the place. You're now locked out from using their improvements unless you add in all their advertising.
What bit of the GPL says you have to use all of a patch someone submits? The maintainer doesn't have to accept the advert + the code - you haven't thought that comment out very well.
Alex
Most people want an OS that meets their needs and does that in a predicatable fashion.
This innovation stuff microsoft constantly throw at us is the stuff that Microsofties bang on about, but that no one uses in production for 5 years because "it'll be much faster/more stable/etc/etc in the next version" (ie - great idea, shit implimentation).
Alex
How DARE you sully the honorific "Bastard"!!!
;-)
You've got this all wrong - he didn't call him a Bastard he called him a bastard - totally different.
Alex
How come people always want things for free? What's the deal? Sometimes I think that people's adversion to capitalism hurts companies worse then Microsoft's anti-trust violations.
Cos then they can spend the money on blank CD's to pirate music onto.
Alex
what they intend to do is make Solaris 10 essentially Gentoo Linux with the SunOS kernel and Sun user space.
This is rubbish, Solaris 10 will be the natural evolution of Solaris 9 (as Solaris 9 was of 8)
Alex
You have to wonder how long a company can support an operating system. You have to remember that NT was released in the the mid-90s so its 7+ years old. Microsoft is beginning to put NT4 to end of life and that the people who will really know the code may of left Microsoft or moved on.
Forever is the answer to your question - if they had a decent sustaining organisation they wouldn't run into problems like this - they'd have people who's job it was to know the source.
Alex
I work with the DoD. They use encryption devices quite a bit. These devices always request fragmentation (they need some room too you know). I don't know how many times I've pleaded with a firewall admin to let ICMP type 3 (code 4) through.
I'm RIGHT with you on this one brother - networks that don't allow this don't meet RFC spec so are not networks.
Alex
Solaris 2.6 is EoSL June 2003, this means that no NEW bugs will be fixed from this date under standard support contracts.
Alex
Hackers have been doing this forever, why write your own 0-day when you can steal other peoples? why find your own vulnerabilities when you can read some security experts email and "borrow" their research? Apparently its amazing how many security researchers have insecure computers/data storage.
Why was Mitnick originally poking around Shimomura's computers?
Wasn't there a breakin to the Well (before well.com) for a similar reason about 10/12 years ago?
Finally, let's use a non-digital example. If (e.g.) Consumer Reports found a flaw in a popular child car seat that could cause severe injury to a child, which path would you prefer they take:
What usually happens in this scenario is that parents remove the childs seats in blind panic and as a result 10x more kids are killed by seatbelts and not being in carseats than would have been killed by the carseats.
Lucky we removed those car seats isn't it?
Alex
From the website,
"SuSE Linux 8.2 also includes a pre-release of gcc 3.3"
Interesting choice - apparently GCC 3.3 includes a lot of work SuSE have contributed. Will this be as controversal as Redhat's compiler choice of 2.96 a while back?
Alex
> > One of the big advantages of linux is the cost
>
> But one of the big advantages of Windows is support.
I take it you haven't ever rung Microsoft support?
Alex
The only large organisation I know where no Microsoft software is used is Sun. Although some of the staff use Windows laptops - so even that isn't totally true.
Alex
Go on.... Why "should" people upgrade their kernel? What are "the benefits of upgrading"? (to the average K-Mart buying linux user),
Alex
Because BIND is a rock of stability.
Why is this modded as funny? Its true.
If the guy had said security it would have been funny, but it is very very stable.
Alex
Mandrake is the ONLY good thing ever to come from France.
Cheese, wine, food, women with hairy armpits ????
(ok maybe not the last one) but the first 3 deserve some recognition
Alex
and the height of an olympic swimming pool.
Last time I checked, olympic swimming pools weren't very high. In fact, they actually went down into the floor.
READ the article,
"as high as an Olympic swimming pool is long"
Alex