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Mandrake Linux... Not Dead Yet?
bloodeu writes "Mandrake Linux has been beaten down by linux experts alike, but this new release of Mandrake may hold many promising Linux users
what they have been waiting for, like NTFS resizing(which is a first), Automatic Network config(zeroconf), Supermount, and
many more. You can download the Mandrake 9.1 RC1 Here"
The obligatory Monty Python reference. I'll go sit quietly now.
"An unarmed man can only flee from evil, and evil is not overcome by fleeing from it." Col. Jeff Cooper
Their finances show it... if they're not dead yet, they soon will be. It was sort of obvious; if you give something away for free (as in speech or beer, either goes), you'll be lucky to break even. :/
I guess I'll have to find another distro if I want to keep up...
So we can all go download it and not pay them a cent.
uhhhhmmmmmm
"For a successful technology, honesty must take precedence over public relations for nature cannot be fooled." -Feynman
Will this be the first Linux distro with ACPI support enabled by default?
I believe FreeBSD 5.0 is the other.
If so, I'll wipe RH today.
Um, okay. Maybe I've been out of the loop when it comes to Linux/NTFS compatibility. I thought we were still kinda' afraid to write to NTFS partitions. Now we can resize them.
Can someone please elaborate?
Yes, so it's the really simple distro for thickies and n00bs. It's also by far and away the easiest Linux distro to set up and use that I've tried (and I'm from the days of Yggdrasil, me) so it's my distro of choice - it has (or is easily made to have) all the power of "proper" distros but isn't as condescending as Lycoris and friends.
Mandrake should be kept alive, it would be a loss to the Linux world if it were to die.
-Mark
Anyone got a link to a screenshot showing Mandrake's "Galaxy" Gnome theme that made it in this release. Just curious what it looks like.
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Trying to out live apple
I tried it (9.0) for a few weeks and the only thing I didn't like was that wine wasn't installed/configured like in RedHat (7.3). Is this another case of some linux people hating a distro because it's too easy to use?
I just heard some sad news on talk radio - Operating system distro Mandrake was found dead in it's Paris siege this morning. There weren't any more details. I'm sure everyone in the Slashdot community will miss it - even if you didn't enjoy their work, there's no denying their contributions to the free software movement. Truly a French icon.
It's worth pointing out to anyone thinking of installing this as their main OS that this is an initial release candidate and is nowhere near prime time.. be warned unless you want to find and report bugs.
Mandrake is great. They've really built something that's useful in its own right, and provides many useful things back into the community. Maybe it's not for you, but it's a great place to start for a lot of people. A nice introduction.
The problem is, Mandrake as a business is like a comedy of errors. All sorts of crazy problems, some of which were outside their control, and some that could (and should) have been avoided in the first place. 20/20 hindsight is nice, so I can't carp too much, but if they could get their shit together for just one release (no distribution problems; keep the paying club members happy, and get them a box before it's been on shelves for 3 months), I think things could turn around in a hurry.
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Now all the new stuff I"m looking forward to, zeroconf network, kde 3.1, gnome 2.2, XFree86 4.3, 4.21 kernel and a cornacopia of other programs, are in mandrake 9.1. While in the end I intend to move over to debian completely, IMO mandrake is the best of the others for me. I can't wait for 9.1 to become available.
I do security
I've Been Using ...
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9.1 Beta 2 for about a month and I have to say
it rocks
it is much beter than Mandrake 8.0....
it is by far the easiest distro I have ever used
and with the exception of Knoppix the easiest to install...:)
I personaly hope they survive....
all of the needed aps are there I only have few complaints....
1. I had to specially select Vi for install and emacs auto installed...(Flame away)..
2. Gnome meeting was not installed...by default
3. I am having trouble changing some of the default loggin, and boot manager stuff....
other than that....I give the 9.1 Beta 2 an A+
give it to any newbee they will be happy
--meh--
Looks like it got beaten down and now it's back with a vengeance. Heh. More distros need such "reality checks" so that they could unleash everything they have been holding for "the next release".
Mandrake was a French distro....so it will never die.
Surrender, yes, but die? Never (pronounced: Nev'air!)
{SEG}
Have you read the moderator guidelines? Well, have you, PUNK? (and I want a Karma: Gnarly option)
So, what distro are you using?
One for the smart guys, eh?
France Surrenders!!
Mandrake Linux has been beaten down by linux experts alike
Ok. I'm a Linux, more specifically a Unix "expert" and I can see nothing wrong with Mandrake:
A easy to install, easy to use, full featured Linux desktop? How horrible! Oh the humanity! When will it stop!
It's not like Mandrake Linux pissed in my Wheeties this morning.
Moneyed corporations, non-working 'poor' and criminal prisoners are turning productive citizens into tax-slaves.
I think it would be better for Mandrake to die a peaceful death. There are too many Linux distros. Red Hat is as easy to use as Mandrake, so what`s the point of it. Anyway your typical Mandrake user is just too greedy to stick their hand in their pocket and actually pay for the software - back to square one. Bye, bye Mandrake, killed by your own users.
I use Solaris. I am a sex machine. I hammer code all day and pussy all night. You could only hope to be half the man I am.
Even if you don't use Mandrake, you've probably benefited from the work they've put into "making the Linux desktop user friendly."
:) [And I could be wrong -- perhaps they also had Red Hat, dunno.]
(That's a category I'm in right now: I don't currently have any systems running Mandrake, but for about three years running -- until about a month ago -- I did.)
- Mandrake concentrates on ease of install. Not that everyone's intuition is actually the same, goes the past-the-nipple argument, but Hey, Mandrake 6 did a lot better job with *my* intuition (and hardware) than did any of the contemporaries I can remember putting on.
- Automount. Yes, it's come and gone strangely (back now?), but Automount is a very good thing. Try explaining to a Mac user the procedure of mounting a CD drive, or a simple %$#@ USB memory key thing.
- Mandrake (afaik) was the first and so far only Linux distro to be sold as a standalone product in Walmart, and I bought several versions there (as the king of Swamp Castle says "... just to show 'em!"). Software specifics aside, this is another good reason to be grateful to Mandrake, whether you use their distro or not. Lindows was *not* the first Walmart-associated Linux
Mandrake started to fade off my systems when I discovered how nice Red Hat 8 is, and then when I used Knoppix to convert some machines to Debian. (And since I need to reduce the number of machines floating around here, there are fewer computers with which I care to purely experiment.) However, I plan to try the 9.1 release candidate to see where it falls.
Cheers,
timothy
jrnl: http://tinyurl.com/c2l8yr / foes: http://tinyurl.com/ckjno5
Yea, that really isn't attractive... pick one look and go for it. Then again, they also have Avril Lavigne on their playlist so maybe they're masochists.
Can anybody explain to me what zeroconfig is?
(Looks like something interesting...)
-Cies.
I upgraded my MDK9.0 server to this yesterday.
:-)
It loaded fine but on reboot my servers data disk was empty(WTF?) and I this was an upgrade so it should have left it alone.
The volume was corrupt and no attempt with Diskdrake would properly create it. I had to do it all from the command line and restore data from the backup. Not a good sign for a system that was working fine in under 9.0.
Still too early to tell if any other hiccups have occured and this was an upgrade and a beta so please use this information with plenty of salt!
On the other hand it appears to operating faster even in X which says alot as it is an old Celeron 500 and was not real suited to running X. Not that I use X much. I use it mostly as a MySQL and Samba server for my home/office net.
Mostly I feel positive about this but the disk issues scare me a bit. Time will tell.
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Mandrake is the ONLY good thing ever to come from France.
Cheese, wine, food, women with hairy armpits ????
(ok maybe not the last one) but the first 3 deserve some recognition
Alex
"Mandrake Linux has been beaten down by linux experts alike"
Alike what, exactly?
Seems like people like to adhere to the principle "if it ain't broken, don't fix it".
I browse through the package list and can't find the ol'and'reliable Apache 1.3 - why force the upgrade?
They also include PHP4.3 which is known as unstable (despite the branch)
Last complaint: galeon-1.3 is, IMHO, not ready for consumption and is barely usable next to galeon-1.2; as I enjoy the Mozilla project very much, it's fat and I like to have a slim graphical browser - skipstone and phoenix aren't there neither.
Mandrake 8.0 was great, this is their latest and in terms of LOOKS it has always been killer, but strangely the market has fallen for RedHat - more standard I guess . . . And moreover Mandrake has always been a maverick and innovative in their own way.
Their installations are a breeze - need to see this new one quick!
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Does this mean that if there is an existing win2k or winXP installation, you can resize the windows partitions and install linux in the available space ?
The distro has been dead for years, but I have yet to see a distro that is as easy to install as Corel Linux. IIRC, it prompted me maybe twice to make decisions about things, and had sensible defaults for the average user. If they had more fully exploited DHCP/DNS I think they could have gotten rid of one of those prompts (asking for a hostname).
Corel was, for all intents and purposes, a Debian for the average joe. I have yet to see any other distros approach the friendliness of it.
Now everyone adhering to the LSB (Linux Standards base) it seems. Also Mandrake Linux 9.0 features the following software: Kernel 2.4.19 XFree 4.2.1 & XFree 3.3.6 Glibc 2.2.5 GCC 3.2 KDE 3.0.3, GNOME 2.0.1, IceWM 1.2, WindowMaker 0.8, Enlightenment 0.16.5, BlackBox 0.62 OpenOffice.org 1.0.1, KOffice 1.2 Mozilla 1.1, The GIMP 1.2.3, XMMS 1.2.7
Can anyone compare Makdrake 9.1 to RedHat 8.0? Any reason for me to switch? I have to completely re-install a system on one box, so it wouldn't be that big of a deal to switch. Is there a major advantage to using 9.1 instead of RedHat? The last Mandrake I used was 8.0, and I liked RedHat 8.0 better, for sure.
I predate ANY distro, back when the kernel wouldn't even properly compile..
And I've still found Caldera's to be the easiest for the newbie to install, if it supports your hardware..
Though, with the incarnation of 'unitedlinux' and their recent SCO attitudes, I've stopped recommending them to clients as they cant be trusted..
( Disclaimer, I moved to FBSD for 'server land' a while ago, due to the progressively fragmenting Linux desktop community.. )
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Mandrake is the ONLY good thing ever to come from France.
I assume from this statement that you don't drink wine, and don't eat at all.
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So it's easy, when is the linux community going to drop this attitude of "Linux is supposed to be hard".
In the last three weeks I've tried RedHat 8.0(too slow on a 366mhz machine), Yopper, Knoppix (lots of stuff) and Mandrake 9.0. Of them all, I'm using mandrake. Why? because everything worked, first time, everytime. So I went out and bought a copy. Voting with my wallet, the easiest thing to do. I hope they make it out of Chapter 11 or whatever the french equivalent is. They're providing the gateway to make it easier to switch, without the cost overhead that Lindows requires.
~corporate tool, but employed~
Since some posts appear to be made in ignorance of this fact, Mandrake apparently is no longer going to be the best distro to freeload off of.
Only members will be able to download the new version, or order cheap cd sets when it is first released. Depending on what kind of member you are (I am a Silver member) will determine what kind of bandwidth priority you get. I think the free download version for 9.1 will only be available after the package version is in stores for a while. Maybe the free download to the public will not even be available until the first RC of the next distro is out.
Complain all you want, but you brought this upon yourself. I became a member and was willing to let my membership fees go, in part, to allowing freeloaders download at the same time as everyone else. However, there were too many of you and too few of me, so now if you don't want to pay but want the newest version you will have to just use an RC (sounds fair to me).
Anyway, Mandrake not being dead is not news to me or any other members. It is just news to the people who don't care enough to get involved. Why such people would even care about weither Mandrake is dead or not eludes me.
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Xandros already supports resizing NTFS partitions.
Distributions keep getting larger and larger, but now they come with promising Linux users? Wow! What will they think of next?
I like big butts and I cannot lie.
I thought would point out that Redat 8.1 Beta 3 is also out.
t /2 003-February/002969.html
You can see the anouncement here
https://listman.redhat.com/pipermail/phoebe-lis
Its got Gnome 2.2, KDE 3.1, kernel 2.4.20, OpenOffice 1.02, CUPS as default, etc
So far I've found some bugs and the occasional app crash, but its shaping up to be real nice. Speed is better than 8.0, mostly due to the new kernel I suspect. (RH 8.0 sped up a lot for me by going to 2.4.20) Its great to see Redhat finally actually trying to put out a good desktop and the effort is really paying off. One last thing I've mentioned before, I pitty the distro that doesn't ship with as good a font setup as Redhat uses. They'll get put to the wall for it and rightly so. Its high time that not a single distro ships with shitty fonts anymore.
Anyway its worth a look if you have the bandwidth.
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So you say because of the USA joined the allied forces to stop Hitler's horrible campain in half Europe, the same half Europe should now -- 50 years later -- be _helping_ Bush in it's own horrible campain?
...it a nice one maybe something for the quote collection of /.
You're nuts my son...
- Hands of the Middle-East!
- the USA should destroy their weapons! (just because like they want other counties to do so)
- The UN should correct Iraq....
Patriatism is a mental drug!
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Xandros linux ( http://www.xandros.com ) has had this NTFS resizing functionality included for months now.
"an old Celeron 500 and was not real suited to running X"
500MHz CPU isn't fast enough for X??? What do you think people were using 3-4 years ago? Intel released first 500MHz x86-CPU in the beginning of 1999.
MandrakeSoft, the publisher of Mandrake Linux, is renaming their beleagured Linux distribution as "Freedom Linux" -- a decision that comes as Americans watch French officials back away from support for possible war in Iraq.
"Because of the importance to show support for the American troops, we no longer sell Mandrake Linux. We now offer Freedom Linux", says a notice on the companies' website.
MandrakeSoft said their intent is not to slight the French people, but to take a patriotic stance to show support for the United States and the actions of President Bush.
"It's our way of showing our patriotic pride," they said, noting that their business has a lot of local military troops as customers.
MandrakeSoft said the switch from Mandrake Linux to Freedom Linux came to mind after a conversation about World War I when anti-German sentiment prompted Americans to rename German foods like sauerkraut and hamburger to liberty cabbage and liberty steak.
Just like Loki software is dead, no more games, the entire "linux game industry" collapsed when loki went away. All those great developers disappeared off the face of the earth never to think about a penguin again. Dan Vogel (the Really Smart Guy who ported UT to OpenGl) just disappeared, oh yeah except he ported UT2003 to OpenGL and got a Linux installer on the retail media. Loki is all gone, they've gone to the great icculus.org in the sky.
Yes Mandrake is dead, the IT (Ironed Tee shirts) pissed off all the money and Mandrake is dead. Oh, there's still that 10-12 guys who put together the release candidates, and the betas. The guys who are busting their humps as we speak to put together the hippest easiest bestest distro ever to be released. Yes it's dead, RedHat 8.0 just cleaned it out. Nobody needs Little Mandrake anymore, nobody ever cared about DRI working immediately after installation, and EVERYONE is listening to ogg media instead of MP3's. Sure Mandrake is dead, nobody even cared that Redhat 8.0's kernel didn't work right with WineX.
Dead dead dead, nobody needs an easy to use, easy to install, distro which can be installed on a computer with XP pre-installed without having to destroy the XP partition.
Everyone is pure, everyone runs Pure Linux, nobody needs games, nobody dual-boots, nobody is a noob, nobody needs to RTFM.
I renewed my Mandrake membership last week, did you?
And doing all that shit as root too... *sigh*
Install windows on my workstation? You crazy? Got any idea how much I paid for the damn thing?
Carpentry tools have no place in the bedroom, freak.
On the other hand it appears to operating faster even in X which says alot as it is an old Celeron 500 and was not real suited to running X. Not that I use X much. I use it mostly as a MySQL and Samba server for my home/office net.
Whoa.. what planet are you from? :) My main desktop is a dual Celery 500 (has been for about 3 years now). I have only one complaint about the speed, and that's G++ compiling (which is slow for everyone...). I use this for lots of C development work, Java, Mozilla, heavy mail usage, it's got a web server, MySQL instance... it's not a slow machine!
(Maybe if you put KDE/Gnome on it, but I use Golem instead. I wouldn't use KDE/Gnome if someone paid me to do so...)
Sadly, this machine feels at least 3-4 times faster than the Athlon XP 1900+ running XP across the room that work sent me. And that's after removing Explorer and replacing it with LiteStep. It's got one of those super-crappy Via chipsets though, so that's not really even the same universe ;)
I have a FreeBSD server running on a K62-266 w/64MB of RAM, and re-soldered motherboard traces for the HD (scratched 'em off during a case transplant one time). It is appropriately named "Dixie" for the Neuromancer fans out there. :) It runs Samba, NFS, MySQL, Apache+PHP, Squid, and djbdns in both cache and serve modes. Works great, less filling :)
I dunno. I know you weren't making a big point out of the celery thing, I just don't understand why people feel like hardware is useless if it's more than a GHz behind the fastest hardware.
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This is something I don't understand. Do people not get the concept of being a non-profit organization? I mean, you can make a company that makes software, and gets enough revenue to give employess wages and get hardware. And just, don't profit. Don't get more money than it costs. Don't try to get bigger and better. Just make software, and continue to make a living off it. These open source companies are trying to profit by giving stuff away for free. It seems like they have no common sense.
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I hope MandrakeSoft stays alive, simply because they seem to be the only major distro that "get's it" in the Linux community. They have consistently been pushing to make Linux easier to install and use, without browbeating newcomers into a "it must be bad if it's easy" mentality. I applaud them for it.
This bullshit distro yesterday (9.1) and it wont install on any of my machines I've got 6 boxes so I know its not the hardware. Here is the problem it cant load the Kernel into the ramdisk. The install works fine until then. I tried various kernel modules and various commands to the kernel and nothing. I've been working with linux since 1998 and I've tried every distro imaginable, but this is the first time I can honestly say Im bewildered as to what to do next. Lucky for me all my machine still run Slackware 8.1. Any advice? Could it be a faulty cd?
Mandrake is the ONLY good thing ever to come from France.
Considering how big of an American tourist trap this is, I'm sure there are a number of Americans who'll say that there is a few more things they cherish that came from France.
Where's the US Army to rescue this group of dying frenchmen?
I find it odd that Americans are all so willing to insult France for being defeated by one of the most powerful armies in modern time, but are now all upset when they don't want to aid an attack on a small, middle-eastern country who has shown no signs of a direct threat.
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Anyway, I just recently installed Mandrake 9.0, Im still a relative newbie to the linux scene but this is the easiest distro to install and use. I like Mandrake, its allowing me to familiarize myself with linux, while making the crossover from Windows relatively painless.
You upgraded your server with a pre-release OS? Your faith in Mandrake is exceptional, sir!
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Just because it is available for free doesn't mean there isn't some merit in paying for it sometimes. I won't go up on some soap box about how "every download is a dagger in free software's heart" because that would be absurd. Free downloads are what spur the rapid discovery, reporting and repair of bugs as well as bring noobs into the fold. 95% of the noobs I've brought over have been swayed with the logic "Hey, no risk to try it other than the download time..."
But at the same time, if you get good use out of Mandrake, (or any distribution) the best support you can give them is to vote with your dollars. Spend some money on Mandrake services or products. Buy a t-shirt... I bet your girlfriend would look smashing in a "Mandrake Club" t-shirt... (Is that the geek equivalent of having her wear your football jersey?)
Who did what now?
The parent post is complete B.S.
Yes, the Club Members will have a more complete list of mirrors, possibly including Club-Only mirrors.
But as far as I know (and I am a Mandrake employee, so I should know), Mandrake Linux 9.1 will be available for everyone on public mirrors.
Don't forget that it's 100% open-source, most of the stuff is GPL, so it has to be distributable by everyone.
That said, I strongly suggest our users become members of the Club, it's the best way to support our work.
OS X will take over!
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This 91.RC1 defiently is not a proper release candidate. It isn't even frozen yet! I'm really getting sick of using RC tags in linux world, and Mandrake had been the prime offender until KDE released seven candidates...
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room!
Ah, how quickly we forget where the Statue of Liberty comes from, which way it faces, and *why?*
Oddly enough the American armies who "saved" France did. That's one of the reasons they were there in the first place, to honor a debt that was defaulted in fact and unrepayable in philosophy.
I live in upstate NY, just a couple blocks from the occasional local residence of a young French gentleman whom both Pershing and Patton are reputed to have payed homage to when first setting foot on French Soil.
LaFayette, we are here, and some of us haven't forgotten.
And don't forget the old saying, 60 million Frenchman can't be wrong. Hell, maybe when they became "Cheese eating surrender monkeys" it's simply because they knew something we didn't.
Go figure.
As for Mandrake. Good distro in its way. If the company deserves to live it just might pull it off. If it doesn't well, millions of Frenchman have died while singing La Marseillaise rather than surrender.
Did you know that proper protocol for handling a French flag is that once it's raised it is never taken down again until reduced to rags? Think about it.
KFG
small, middle-eastern country who has shown no signs of a direct threat
Colin Powell had a class for slow learners at the UN on that, apparently you did not attend, or was not invited.
Now, fast forward a couple of months, tune in CNN, and see what sort of threats were uncovered by advancing American Armed Forces as they look for weapons of mass destruction. Today's keyword: "Tip of the Iceberg".
I put it on a PII 333 yesterday morning with 256 MB RAM. Not a problem. Don't use X terribly much but there really is no speed problem here. Half the time, it's never the CPU speed that is an issue. It's RAM, vid card, etc. I get oh so tired of people who figure that the minimum acceptable hardware standard is what they just bought a little while ago. The fact is that everything goes faster on a faster chip (well...almost everything), but life is still peachy at almost any speed.
This is a distro we're talking about...not a production database machine or compiler.
I don't believe that freeloading is the reason why Mandrake is going down the toilet. Otherwise, Red Hat would be right behind them!
It's all about the marketing. Otherwise, no one would buy M$ Crapdows or pay more for Pentiums! Let's say that there's a CIO for a large corp that knows nothing about Linux or BSD. He may not know/care about Madrake, *BSD, Red Hat, BUT Red Hat + IBM and Red Hat + Oracle may get his/her attention.
Mandrake disallowing free downloads will only hurt it in the long run.
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I must have missed the deep freeze update on cooker. The package list is indeed frozen now.
Gentlemen, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room!
Nonetheless, would you remind me once again how much Mandrake pays Linus and Redhat for IP licensing?
You don't suppose they got started in the first place by simply downloading other people's work for free, dicking it around a bit, and reselling it?
Them's the rules, and they knew it, and took advantage of it, when they entered the fray.
Next thing you know people will be accused of "stealing" Mandrake because they downloaded Debian instead. It's doofey.
KFG
I do realize you're a troll, so you're probably not worth paying attention to anyway..however, it is worth noting that just because they're European doesn't mean that you're not being racist by making those remarks. Prejudice comes in all sorts of colours.
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Yeah, damn that Frenchman for being a little shakey in the English translation dept.
I mean, who do they think they are, French?
KFG
"has been beaten down by linux experts alike,"
Alike what? You need more than one thing to qualify for "alike".
I can't help it - I'm a 19D.
Does anyone know if they prelink their binaries?
They could since gclibc2.3.1 is used.
Xandros Deluxe also resizes NTFS with PQDisk, proprietary software by PowerDesk (the makers of Partition Manager).
Mandrake's market niche is getting squeezed at both ends, by Redhat working to make their system more user-friendly as well as by up-and-coming distros like Xandros working to make a simpler Linux experience. If RedHat decides to work more at their dependency/updating system (outdoing urpmi and apt rpm) for 9.0, Mandrake's niche will disappear.
The beauty of Knoppix is obviously its automagic hardware configuration. Well, you know what that is? It's HardDrake, Mandrake's hardware recognition tool. That's the magic of Mandrake, and the common sense of Klaud Knopper, to tack it onto Debian.
put the what in the where?
It's true. Powell's sattellite photos proved the Iraqis had a forklift AND two trucks. If they get a bulldozer they'll have Bob the Builder.
How do you know Colin Powell lies?
His lips move.
Every time he has said any thing about Iraq, it has been proved false by on the ground inspectors. He has made a career of lieing.
YEAAAAAAAAAAAA
lets make Mandrake the official disto of IRAQ!
Oh wait... that was a post about Apple... move along...
Not to mention the fact that they're using the Internet Explorer icon for Galeon, which is a rather blatant trademark violation... they'll probobly get sued by Apple for 'look and feel', too.
I really hope Mandrake has enough sense to keep that stuff out of their final release...
As an Apple user, I must add that it isn't what his dad doesn't says, either.
I have only one complaint about the speed, and that's G++ compiling (which is slow for everyone...).
I have noticed that... I had K Develop index the QT and KDE documentation on my Celeron 700 (large index) oops!!! It was still going after an entire night of running. I killed the process and said fsck it!
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I think this kinda geeky attitude is preventing lot of good technology ventures becoming a business success.
Believe me, I've been Linux user since RedHat 5.x.
IMHO, these are the reasons why I settled with Mandrake. Please beware that I'm the kinda guy who would switch to Mac OS-X if it is as affordable as Mandrake. But Mandrake is the reason why I still haven't switched over to Mac-OS-X.
The greatest hurdle for entry into Linux has been the installation nightmare. Mandrake removed that obstacle and made it available for masses.
When I first installed Mandrake 8.0, I felt like this is what I've been looking for all along.
C'mon, the damn thing configured and installed all the drivers for the hardware I've got in one installation step. Normally, I used to spend days and weeks just to get my Sound, network, display, CD-RW, etc working after I installed Linux.
For people like me, who want run their home network server in the cheapest possible way without getting distracted by installation nightmare, Mandrake rocks.
Being easy to install doesn't make it a dumbed down Linux. It just makes the chores of installation and configuration easy. So I don't have to remember minutia of configuring sound, display etc.
Now if you download Mandrake, please consider making a donation, as there are many people like me who want it stay in the business as it provides an optimal solution.
Anyone got screen shots of the new Mandrake theme?
Karma: The shiznight, mostly because I am the Drizzle.
Was just clarifying that im not as much into the linux community, so that my statement was based on older info.. that things could have changed somewhat..
Due to the fragmentation in the linux community i changed to FBSD for servers, yes. Cant have a community like that when it comes to the back room.
I have stayed on linux for desktop, but at this rate that may change too..
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Red Hat just dropped the new ACPI support from their latest Beta, Phoebe 3, because they didn't feel it was stable enough. I'll be curious to see what the Mandrake people do. Have they managed to fix it while RedHat couldn't, or are they just going to release it without sufficient QA?
"and don't eat at all"
You mean!! NO! CAN'T BE! Cows are from France!?!?! No friggin' wonder I can't understand what they say!
"The parent post is complete B.S."
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That post was based on a "legitimate" post of Deno's. My post certainly reflects Deno's intention, but I made the horrible mistake of assuming that was where things were actually going. With the company being in ch. 11 in all, I really did believe Deno's (head of the club) post reflected Mandrake's direction. However, assuming JM is more in the know than Deno (or more influential), I guess I owe all you freeloaders an apology. Freeload your brains out . .
"Don't forget that it's 100% open-source, most of the stuff is GPL, so it has to be distributable by everyone."
I am suprised that you work at Mandrake and yet are so uninformed . . . The GPL only specifies the source be available to those who are distributed binaries. It has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with having to distribute everything to everyone for free. And giving members priority as in servers and time was definitely discussed with Deno to the tone that "that is definitely something we will be aiming towards." Next time, I won't post until I hear "management has approved . .
I don't know where you work (Mandrakestore? Mandrakeexpert?), but I would really hope you and your superiors would take a look at some of your "customers" (erh, paying customers) discussions with Deno. There really is a need to give those who pay a priority. For instance, why can people download, for free, a release over a MONTH before it is available in stores?
Apparently I have dipped more into the politics of your company than I would have liked. But if there really is a political split on this issue, I hate to inform you that you are on the wrong side.
BTW, before you claim one of your paying customers is full of sh!t, you might want to do a little research, or at least be a little more apathetic.
Sdelat' Ameriku velikoy Snova!
Or maybe he's just Italian ;-P
Here (195kB PNG) is a screenshot of Mandrake 9.1rc1 running Gnome with the Galaxy theme. I hae done almost no changes to Gnome (I don't usually use it), so this is pretty much how it looks currently out-the-box after changing to the Galaxy theme (which I assume will be enabled by default on rc2). The window decorations for KDE went in only a few days ago, wait till I update some stuff from cooker for a KDE screenshot.
My USB flash disk was detected automatically, just had to right-click on the desktop and check "removable" (in KDE an icon appears which you can just double-click). ACPI works (though I am not sure how much functionality my Thinkpad 600X supports). Note the ACPI is not enabled by default (acpi=off is in the default append for the bootloader) due to problems with desktops. Zeroconf works (ie over a crossover to a windows box I get a "auto-configuration"-compatible IP address and can resolve my own hostname via "dns"), but the gui tools need a bit more work (config only works during install currently), but my NIC does not support ifplugd, so I do not get automatic interface management.
I did make some changes to the fonts in Mozilla, which may have affected how Galeon displays.
We just hope that freetype-2.1.4 will be out in time to make it, since the maintainer will not agree to shipping CVS versions (which Redhat seems happy with, even with glibc to the point of breaking things like winbind - for those of you who think Mandrake is not stable).
What exactly are these linux experts alike? What promises have these linux users made? Flowery... tsk tsk!
I agree, the installer is very slick. However, it's not simply something easy for beginners; of all the Linux distros I've tried, it gave me the most options to configure (e.g. Reiserfs root in early 2001).
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
wish to try it and report bugs, you won't regret it. In my experience they tend to have the fastest turn around I've ever seen fixing bugs. All of mine were fixed within 24hrs of reporting.
Liberty.
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"Mandrake is the ONLY good thing ever to come from France."
I assume from this statement that you don't drink wine, and don't eat at all.
Mmmmmmmmm. Fries.
i tried to install java on mandrake 9, aka the JVM.. v1.4.1 or whatever the most recent version is after finding out to my horror it doesn't come pre-installed as I need to use a java applet from the web everyday for hours on end.
Nada.. i tried this & tried that, making sure to install the bunndle of joy DL'd from sun as su & still zilch.
Then one day it just wouldn't boot after freezing solid while logging out of a user. On reboot, it just hung at "Kernal" something.. 2nd line in the boot sequence. endlessly. Wouldn't accept commands from the console, or give me an error number or explanation. I've not used it since. i'd like to. it's nice. but no java. & then total system death.
I'd really like to use linux & use mandrake... but currently, i dunno.
"There is always some madness in love. But there is also always some reason in madness."- Friedrich Nietzsche
But with a new release, I'll get everything on the same page... and then repeat the process until 9.2!
Berto
Yeah, he really embarrassed himself there. I especially liked how he claimed that Iraq is aiding Al Queda, when in fact the Iraqi government is specifically listed on Al Queda's list of secular Arab governments that must be destroyed. How ridiculous can you get?
I'm sure they'll come up with all sorts of stories about WMD's, just like all those stories about mass graves in Kosovo. Of course, after the need for them had passed nobody was ever able to locate any...
...wearing a skin-tight topless leather jumpsuit, with cutaway buttocks and transparent crotch panel.
What do you think people were using 3-4 years ago?
Really slow X, or Windows.
I think the only number that must be taken in care in order to see if the kernel is stable or not is the second (4), so it is pair and COMPLETLY STABLE (when released), not unstable has of 21.
Thanks.
Geez, I can't believe you dunces believe all that jingoistic Stephen Ambrose revisionist history. England and the Soviet Union did far more to defeat Nazi Germany than the US did.
Ooh how interesting and creative is your humour! Really, this comment is not funny. Sure in the right context (Fark, the Onion) people understand the humour. But I just don't see the humor in associating the excellent work by Mandrake with a war that's been over for over 55 years.
Stupid
A french man.
I used to like mandrake, but distro 9.0 really sux.To much fiddling around with it to get it to work correctly, like when you want to access a CD.Why on earth is /dev/cdrom now /dev/hdc? ,etc. but it will play that awful music when kde splash screen comes up, and it plays flawlessly. Fuck Mandrake, they are crappy anymore.Can anyone suggest a distro that a bunch of confused crackheads haven't put together?I'd sure appreciate it.
and what's with clicking on the cdrom icon, only to have Konqueror come up to say it can't find realnames.com?Also, the motherboard i installed it on,Soltek 75drv5, it doesn't detect the sound correctly, won't play CD's or mp3's
Thanks.
And I'm looking at one right now.
..is a -5 Unamerican moderation.
How small a thought it takes to fill a whole life
Here is Deno's post. I did speak too soon . . . but this is what SHOULD happen.
JM, I don't know if you are idealistic or just a bit uninformed, but if you want to work for free, you could easily do so on your own instead of pulling down an entire company and its investors.
I will rally as many people as possible to support Deno's efforts. We are paying customers and investors in the company, so I doubt management will be able to ignore us. I won't say this will get through by next distro (I have learned my lesson about being to optimistic), but this will definitely get through, whether it means losing people like you or not. The club IS the future of Mandrake, and everyone WILL see just how valuable memberships are in the near future.
Here it is:
Just for the record, here is what I will try to do:
- ISOs aren't released to general public until packs are in the shop. This is almost certainly going to happen, because we have no choice anymore.
- Club members get set of CDs or DVD with complete distribution for $30, and ahead of the crowd. This means burning CDs and/or DVDs in house as soon as we have finished the distribution, and sending them to you as soon as we have burned them. I am not sure if this will be accepted, but it has a fair chance of being accepted if we can do it, and if we do it, I'll personally make sure that everyone really gets his/her pack. That is, if we do it it will be a joint Club/Store thing, and not just a normal Store operation.
- Club members get ISOs from our servers ahead of the crowd. This depends on two questions:
1) can we do it, i.e. can we put enough servers on this work to keep the download time reasonably short?
2) what will our marketing say about this.
If we do this, higher level members will probably have priority access (or separate download quotas), so gold + above will be able to get ISOs imediately, and silver folks will be able to download even during the time servers say "overloaded" to standard members.
WDYT?
(Deno was greated by many club member posts saying how great this would be)
Sdelat' Ameriku velikoy Snova!
Defeated? Don't you have to fight in order to lose?
Partly right.
;).
zeroconf is NOTHING new, it's an open standard. Apple just branded it 'rendezvouz' (trademark) to make it a sexy mac thing
still reading?
"...at least 3-4 times faster than the Athlon XP 1900+ running XP..."
What? Sorry, that's complete bullshit (unless you only have 128MB RAM.) I've run XP Pro on 600MHz machines, 400MHz machines, etc. It runs beautifully on anything above about 500MHz (and fine, albeit more slowly, on anything above 300MHz.) You just have to have more RAM than 128MB -- 256MB is a bare minimum, and all my personal machines are 768 or above. RAM is the easiest and cheapest upgrade you can do to a system, anyway.
I don't know about LiteStep, but if you're using Explorer, go into Display Properties -> Appearance -> Advanced and turn off the Transition Effect. Also, in Control Panel -> System -> Advanced -> first Settings button, you can turn off a lot of stuff that may use video memory if you have an older video card. I turned off all the Fade effects. BTW, I used to use LiteStep, but with themexp, it's no longer worth it. You can just theme XP now and it looks and feels better than LiteStep ever did.
This is silly. You made the effort to make Linux faster, but you don't seem to understand how to make XP faster. XP really does rock on older systems -- you just have to know how to tweak it (like ANY OS.)
The idea is that Mandrake gives paying customer access FIRST. It doesn't mean it stop free downloads. There is just no way to stop free downloads.
With MDK 9.0, people could download for free the distro MONTHS before it was available in stores! This is ludicrous! And when people bought these in stores, they were suprised to hear that announcement of 9.1rc1! No, if Mandrakeclub gets its way (read my replies to JM and know this is NOT YET OFFICIAL), next time FREELOADERS will only get access to the finished distro AFTER the RC1 of the next version is released.
8.2 makes an EXCELLENT working demo of the distro, if you ask me. But if you want to newest and bestest, you are going to either have to pay or contribute.
"Mandrake disallowing free downloads will only hurt it in the long run."
We all are dead in the "long run."
Sdelat' Ameriku velikoy Snova!
Just had a look at www.mandrakeclub.com and wanted to sign up for membership in their club, to support this fine distribution ... but then I saw the price: 60 Euros/year ?!?
....
I swallowed twice, thought about it, but still wanted to give it a try (after writing a serious remark to them on the order page, hoping that they tell me if the company breaks down) - then I came to the payment page, and saw that 16% VAT were added
That was too much.
I gladly pay up to, say, 30 $ to support the company - but more than that, and especially yearly, no, sorry, not currently.
But to give you a full membership just wouldn't make economic sense . . . (alumni memberships still give you some access).
Sdelat' Ameriku velikoy Snova!
All i hear is bla bla..
Do I have to remind you of France's stance in the whole Iraq/Turkey business?
Face it. Either you are with us, or against us.
How small a thought it takes to fill a whole life
Sure if "expert" means self-inflating individual...
Mandrake:
* doesn't have bluecurve
* has support for more video cards (well, at least
it configured X perfectly on my computer with a
SiS video card but RedHat 8.0 didn't)
That's fine, no one is saying get rid of free downloads. We are only saying "delay the newest releases to the public." Codeweavers appears to be doing well with such a strategy.
I can think of two ways this will be good from YOUR perspective:
1. People who NEED the newest features will end up PAYING
2. People who WANT to try things out do so on a version of the distro that has been out long enough for most of its bugs to all have fixes, and it will be easier to support these newbies on their exotic hardware with a version that has been out for a while.
Also, you give Mandrake more bang for your buck becoming a member than buying the box set (its called "profit margins").
As a fellow user, I appreciate your enthusiasm, but I think as an investor I have a much higher stake in seeing the company survive and, consequently, have given the matter a little more thought.
Sdelat' Ameriku velikoy Snova!
"I find it odd that Americans are all so willing to insult France for being defeated by one of the most powerful armies in modern time, but are now all upset when they don't want to aid an attack on a small, middle-eastern country who has shown no signs of a direct threat."
Sorry I can't mod you up . . . I have been posting like crazy on this thread, and they have this weird rule about not allowing you to mod on threads you post on.
Anyway, I can certainly add "clear thinking" to one of the great things to come from France since the U.S. began this whole Iraq ordeal.
And for the record, I am American.
Sdelat' Ameriku velikoy Snova!
Then we'll cut the number of dead and dieing compnay storeies in half for the next 5-10 years.
race to the death-finish:
BSD vs. Mandrake
It had to be said. Sorry. *turns karma bonus off*
are you high?
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A person of moderate zeal
"...beaten down by linux experts alike" and "... may hold many promising Linux users what they have been waiting for..." /. posts I have ever seen. I really really hope you are not a native English speaker. If that is the case, I apologize.
Huh?
This has got to be one of the most poorly written
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A person of moderate zeal
Let me get this straight...you consider a "free ride" like the ability to go from Windows to Linux frustrating? You want people to be "self-sufficient" and "figure things out for themselves?" In other words, you want them to take time out of their days learning to use their system in order to be productive, when they could be using that valuable time to actually BE productive?
If everyone operated like this, then there would be very little time wasted explaining the documented solutions to common problems, which would free everyone up to concentrate on the real problems, in order to make progress.
Instead of this ass-backwards view, how about developers get around to FIXING those common problems, so they don't need to be explained? Expecting people to make tinkering with their OS a hobby in order to use it--lest they get a "free ride"--is ridiculous to me. It reaks of the "smug feeling of superiority" you say isn't so prevalent. Linux being difficult to set up isn't a fault of the users. I am so tired of people who imply such. Some out there need to spend some time away from their command prompt and Emacs sessions and interact with the rest of the world and see how they use computers. Otherwise, Linux will forever remain just a nice file and web server.
Sorry for the frustrated tone...I just want Linux to succeed, and I see so many attitudes holding it back.
That isn't a knock at Mandrake (surprisingly), that's a knock at all the other distributions. (Especially RedHat.)
How many years has NTFS resizing software been around? Quite a few! I do remember resizing (and sliding!) NTFS partitions back in the day. Had to use some shareware to do it, too, thanks to the lack of functionality in both fdisk and RedHat's Disk Druid.
Considering how important MS-based operating systems are to the business world (If you think otherwise, you're an idiot. End of story.), that RedHat would have added NTFS resize/slide functionality to their install process. I mean, they're supposed to be the 'business' distro and all.
*snert* Maybe Mandrake's work on it will beat RH and other distributions with the clue stick.
Huh, ah, I thought ZeroConf/Rendez-vous was an Apple-originated technology like IEEE-1394? I remember reading somewhere that it came about when Steve J. demanded his minions to make TCP/IP plug and play like {Apple|Local|Ether|...}Talk was at the time.
And I thought the IEEE comittee (sp?) defining this is being steered by Apple?
Maybe I'm wrong, maybe I'm right, can someone confirm this? Thanks.
That's a sorry excuse of you.
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If you wanna be superior then start learning to be better than others.
There's no real knowledge needed to install a disk, camera or use desktop software.
When it comes to maintaining of complex networks and servers....? That's a linux superiority you're talking about. Not the GUI.
I even tryed out Mandrake Server,... well it sucks major. If admin is not smart enough to control (and choose) firewall, mail, web and other services. There's a little to be expected of him. Some baasic predefault settings are not enough to make a (really) trusted environment.
Well, that's your superior edge you should be aiming for not some basic operations.
Is this another case of some linux people hating a distro because it's too easy to use?
Then again I love that linux is getting easy. I just hate to click zillion options to make my desktop as I imagine. Well, I used to like that in the past, but gnome2 "just works" out of the base and fills all my bassic GUI needs. So I can concentrate on the job I'm doing not on GUI. But for me Redhat is the way to go.
I wish some people would keep their attitudes in line with their principles . .
Damn right! They should start to evolve instead of sitting on the knowledge they have (without progressing) and dumb down others that might become equal with no hard work.
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Colin Powell had a class for slow learners at the UN ... fast forward a couple of months, tune in CNN, and see what sort of threats were uncovered by advancing American Armed Forces as they look for weapons of mass destruction. Today's keyword: "Tip of the Iceberg".
It's true. Powell's sattellite photos proved the Iraqis had a forklift AND two trucks. If they get a bulldozer they'll have Bob the Builder.
Yes, but they can combine and form Devastator.
Mandrake's business decisions are sometimes hard to explain. The system I'm typing on used to have Mandrake 6.1, and I decided to upgrade a while ago. Mandrake 9.0 had just been released and was available for FTP. But it wasn't available for purchase on their website yet. I went ahead and installed by FTP anyway, but at that time, I was in the right mood to pay something for an official Mandrake distro in a box. Mandrake's delay in making the boxed CD set available the same time as the FTP download did cost them some. (There were third-party retailers selling CDs of the Mandrake 9.0 distro at the time, but I did just as well with the FTP install.)
Who cares about Mandrake? If they fold, you all just have to kep in mind that Ninnle Linux will still have it's day, and will take over easily from where Mandrake left off.
I tried out Redhat 8.0, and while I see the difference in focus between Redhat and Mandrake, I'm amazed at how LITTLE redhat came with. Nothing that can violate the MPEG licenses (no mp3, no xine, no mplayer, no video, no shit), nothing that can be construed as "fun" (this is BUSINESS LINUX).
What I'm really looking forward to is Mandrake with Xft2 font setup. That's what attracted me to RH8 in the first place was the nice anti-aliasing. In the end I went back to Mandrake 9, and compiled and installed the Xft2 stuff myself, then compiled kde3.1 from source (what a colossal pain!). The problem is replacing the non-xft2 libs with their xft2 counterparts borks up the kde3.0 installation from Mandrake. Plus now the Gnome-Pango setup is all borked and makes compiling Gnome stuff hard. I haven't gotten up the ambition to download and compile gnome 2.2 for myself.
I like linux, I do software development, but maybe I'm getting old I don't get much thrill anymore out of building the entire system myself from scratch. I like to put in the cd, run the installer, and have something nice and usable.
As a Ninnle Linux user, I think you're all fucked!
You are either very brave, or very foolish. Or you have lots of spare time.
All the above! This is a HOME server. A toy. Not a production enviroment. I can afford to take foolish risks.
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Well, I congratulate you for actually reading most of my post. Above-average AC ;)
As I mentioned though, the problem is the machine, not XP. A lot of friends of mine have assured me that they have XP running very nicely on their boxes, so I'm aware of that. If you have a well-running XP box on an Athlon then it's probably not a Via chipset. Any search for "Via XP" on Google will turn up hundreds of horror stories.
I've downloaded all the new drivers, tweaked all that stuff you've talked about, used X-Setup, installed AMD-specific XP patches, etc... nothing fixes the basic problems: disk access is DOG slow, and when I try to move windows or do other intensive graphics on the second monitor, the sound starts stuttering and getting staticy. Other people at my work have the same problem, and the common factor always seems to be the Via chipset.
Oh and I've got 1GB of RAM in the thing, so I really doubt that's the issue. On the other hand, it's being used for Visual Studio.NET, so perhaps that's not enough :)
My point, though, is that just because a machine is brand new doesn't make it "the shit", and just because it's old doesn't make it shit :)
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So sad to see so many ungrateful Americans :-).
-- Free software on every PC on every desk
You upgraded your server with a pre-release OS? Your faith in Mandrake is exceptional, sir!
Naw, this is a home/toy/test server not a production enviroment. I wouldn't put this on something that HAS to run. And it proved me right in blanking my data drive. Irrating yes, crisis no.
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Sorry I've allways thought that the Celeron 500 was slow. The mobo in the thing is an old Intel CA810A. It's a slow processor with a slow chipset and only 128mb of ram. As I really don't run X on it that is plenty fast. I use it mostly for an samba server. But for any GUI it is slow. It was in 1999 and it is today in 2003. Esp when you are used to running a P-IV 1.8 ghz that is overclocked at about 2.2.
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Is knowing you downloaded The 3 ISOs before it was posted on slashdot.
arcane for life
Don't get me wrong, I think urpmi is what the rpm format has been crying for, and it does deserve more recognition. It's a shame that the true power of it is hidden from most users by rpmDrake.I only found out about urpmi because I've this habit of opening everything from an X term, at least for the first few goes.) Bad thing though is that when I did a security update for the kernel, it broke my Masquerading. After poking in to the kernel, I found that that version of the kernel didn't have NAT compiled in which kind of upset me. That's what nudged me to Debian which so far I've had no problems with; howevere I'm using stock Woody which is just a tad out of date. Maybe I'd find the same issues that put me off Mandrake in unstable?
The RC1 was actually released last Wednesday, and that would be the day I installed it and got it running.
Fucking beautiful, except Wine keeps crapping out on me (expected considering it's still in bux-fix mode). Seriously, one of the reviews I read about Mandrake 9.0 was that they had evolved to a lot more of an "expensive" or "professional" look. While I'm sitting here hoping that the installer for RC1 is only a temporary thing and that they go back to the format they had for 8.2 and 9.0, I have to say that they actually outdid themselves for this release. Gnome 2.2 is slick, With a really _really_ nice new font set... New GnomeICU (one of the main programs I use) is a lot nicer than previous versions, etc. etc.
The only main problem I have is with the installer, which I'm guessing is because they're not quite done with it yet... It seems to be missing a whole thwack of packages that are on the CDs (Apache and Wine to name a couple) but all in all this distro is very very slick.
So I've pretty much decided now that I'm a bona-fide Mandrake user....
As soon as I garner up enough money I'm going to be sending in for a 9.1 boxed set... I'd honestly hate to see them go under, because as I see it they're offering me a really quality product.
Karma: Non-Heinous
bloodeu writes "Mandrake Linux has been beaten down by linux experts alike, but this new release of Mandrake may hold many promising Linux users what they have been waiting for, like NTFS resizing(which is a first), Automatic Network config(zeroconf), Supermount, and many more. You can download the Mandrake 9.1 RC1 Here%'
Translation result:
bloodeu writes "Everyone picks on Mandrake because they're French like me, but looks like they're going to prove all of the (probably American) naysayers wrong! They've added a feature that virtually no one in their right mind would use if they care about their data (NTFS resizing), the lazy man's configuration tool (zeroconf), and automount, which they inexplicably took out of their distribution, possibly to drive everyone crazy with a step backwards in time. You can download the ISOs of this beta distribution which is bound to have problems (but only because it's beta) from here!"
Ya know, I'm not sure that's much better...
"Linux is for geeks, beos is for nobody, Mac OS is for actors, XP is for people" - Anonymous Coward
Hi,
It's treu Mandrake-9.1 will have a pre (alfa/beta) kernel?
I think it must use a stable kernel since the begining of betas. I don't understand the reason because of the se of this kernel.
Anyone want to explain this.
FreeBSD: turning PC into workstations
I, for one, would like to see a bit more attention paid to the economy, countries with nukes and some guy named Osama. But that's just me.
Ita erat quando hic adveni.
I won't pay for a distrobution that I don't use, even if I do recommend it to those first trying Linux.
Mandrake packages of their configuration programs, which kick ass regardless of our prejudices against luser-friendliness, for Debian and other distros might make the Mandrake Club worth joining.
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
I have been using Mandrake since the 7.x days and am eagerly looking forward to this release. The one thing that I don't like about 9.0 is the fact that they don't use freetype2/xft2 for the rendering. This makes the display quality of the fonts terrible. Anybody know whether they have switched to freetype2/xft2? Their Changelog does not say anything.
Magnus.
I admit I'm a noob, but I haven't had very good luck with 9.1 so far. I desperately want to run a Linux desktop and I'd heard Mandrake was the easiest (which it still may be for all I know - just because it's hard for me doesn't mean the others aren't harder). But so far, here are the problems I've had starting with 9.0 and now actually getting worse in 9.1:
1. Network doesn't work. This is new in 9.1 RC1. It worked in the betas and in 9.0, but doesn't in RC1. I have heard various workarounds but being a noob haven't really tried getting my hands dirty yet. It detects my card but does not connect to the net, and will not even connect to my router (so it's not just an internet thing).
2. Font import doesn't work. This has never worked for me, in any Mandrake release. I have pared my Windows fonts down to the minimum and it still hangs at various points during the import - hangs to the point where I need to restart the system in order to kill the process.
3. Mounting of pretty much anything other than the Linux partition on my hard drive takes about 10 minutes, as does doing any operation at all once mounted. This includes simply listening to a CD, or browsing my pictures on my Windows partition. Again, just trying to listen to a CD last night necessitated a reboot.
Any one of these is almost enough to get me to give up on Linux as a whole for now. Windows, for now, is much more useful as a desktop, however "easy" Mandrake is to use. I've spent almost 100% of my time with Mandrake so far just trying to get it set up, and I still can't get some pretty important things to work at all. I hope Mandrake and other distros continue to improve to the point where a newbie like me can actually use them, but I don't think we're at that point yet.
Does it finally fix USB Wheel mice? Mine only works plugged into a PS/2 port. I use it in USB, and I Left Click, it slides the cursor to the right...
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Since urpmi.setup (see the web version) went into main, it will actually be even easier.
Just hope they install it by default and put an icon in the menu and Mandrake Control Center. Will mean urpmi is trivial to setup.
To those mentioning apt/apt4rpm, remember that you have to install non-RH tools to get this functionality. For people looking for an ultra-stable distro (apparently the only reason for subjecting yourself to RH), you would not want to install 3rd-party software that you don't need.
Mandrake comes with it's own tool, integrated into all the other tools (will RH-config tools install software via apt when it realises you need something? - I would guess not), plus the genhdlist tool to generate your own urpmi sources.
Plus, there are a number of guaranteed sources for additional software that can be used with urpmi, including all the commercial software that normally ships on the CDs at Mandrake Club.
Sorry, apt on RH just does not measure up to urpmi.
Plus, there are many advanced features (and more coming), such as parallel installation (via ssh for real networks or ka-run for clusters), usage of ssh or rsync for accessing urpmi sources, plus in 9.1 the ability to install (with solved dependencies) directly from a url (if you just want a few packages without setting up a source).
Finally, one important aspect security-wise, is that if you keep your urpmi sources current (specifically updates sources), Mandrake tools will always install the most up-to-date package, so you should never have an old (ie potentially compromised) package on your system.
Many cooker users and all the Mandrake developers keep their systems up-to-date with urpmi. Do RH developers use apt in-house daily?
Which way does it face, and why?
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What if - the unthinkable scenario happens? What if Mandrake truly goes bankrupt? What will the best exit out be for us Mandrake users? RedHat, SuSE, Debian, or some other? I don't wan't to freeze my preciously downloads and compilations in a cul-de-sac.
I really like Mandrake. It's easy to install. It contains all kinds of really great stuff that works right out of the box. Contrary to popular belief, it makes a really nice server. Mandrake even does a spectacular job when it comes to security.
What others have stated already, however, is that their business model sucks. Running a business like a charity does not work. I like the Mandrake Club idea but I think they need to expand it. For example, Ximian does a far better job updating Mandrake (Red Carpet) than Mandrake does. The Mandrake mirrors in the US mostly suck. Mandrake should have a premium service that allows users to update their systems quickly, securely and easily. I personally think that Mandrake should give their CDs away in stores like AOL. It would save a ton of bandwidth and attract thousands of new users but to make this work, they have to have a real incentive to join Mandrake Club. That is where they need to focus their efforts right now. I happen to be a member of Mandrake Club and I have purchased a half dozen boxed sets over the years but I don't think that others are so compelled to pay for something that is essentially free. This is especially true if by some miracle they become wildly successfull.
It's because these days we Americans pride ourselves on our ability to destroy countries smaller and weaker than us. France is raining on our parade dammit!
But it had some issues with the kernel that made it difficult for a n00b (6 months now) like me to install the Nvidia drivers. I also noticed some rather irratating bugs that I thought would end up being a serious hamper.
I use MC frequently and it seemed to not bet there.
And the Drax version of grpmi seemed to lock up when I would try to install anything through MCC..
The number one item that sent me running back to 9.0 was the kernel / Nvidia issue. I reinstalled 9.0 then dropped Texstar's KDE 3.1 into it and had my system back to pretty much normal in nothing flat.
IF I had a second machine to PLAY with, I would love to try 9.1 but I need to use this machine, not fight with it..
I first tried out Redhat but went to Mandrake because it seemed to have better support for a fonky video card I was using last year. At this point, I have been using it for several months, I'm familiar with it now so I guess I'll stick with it as long as I can.
BUT, the first distro to come out with native support for my Geforce 4 - Ti4200 VIVO card will get my vote and I'll switch to them. I bought this card for doing editing video and getting it to do that with Linux is a bear.
Mandrake gets my vote for being fairly friendly to n00bs, it's what I recommend to first timers.
Oh yeah, I hope they fix that STUPID SUPERcrapMOUNT in 9.1 !!! Stupidmount is total garbage and makes n00bs go insane! I can deal with it but some people just never will get the hang of it..
scripsit MyHair:
Mmmmmmmmm. Fries.
Um, frites (=``French fries'') are Belgian, not French.
In principio creauit Linus Linucem.
..is keeping your Mandrake distro up to date via ftp/rsync mirrors, not wasting bandwidth/time/CDRs on ISO downloads whenever a new version comes out.
Escher was the first MC and Giger invented the HR department.
troll
So what does that makes us? Super power wimps?
Both France and Germany have USD Billions of contracts with Iraq ... that's about to be null and void, eh?
But after having to pay for that bandwidth spike caused by slashdot.
Get a free ipod.
_all the chefs are French
_all the mechanics are German
_all the police are British
_all the lovers are Italian
_and the whole place is run by the Swiss!
In Hell...
_all the chefs are British
_all the mechanics are French
_all the police are German
_all the lovers are Swiss
_and the whole place is run by the Italians!
scripsit Alex:
s/women with hairy armpits/Laetitia Casta/
In principio creauit Linus Linucem.
Actually both owe to RedHat that created the kudzu library. Knoppix built upon that, as well as Mandrake.
I don't think that urpmi compares to apt for Debian yet. apt-get dist-upgrade is something I don't think Mandrake can do yet and I have never had any problems with broken packages, lib dependencies, lib dependencies, and more lib dependencies while using apt. :)
urpmi is nice but why not just use apt for rpm? More rpm-based distributions running apt repositories, the better. As far as I know the apt repositiories I use are run by volunteers so I need to go volunteer a little cash to thank them
Before anyone flames me, I do realize apt for rpm doesn't have the capabilities of Debian apt either. I just believe apt is a better tool than urmpi.
This guy is way out there
Well, the French remember the first Hitler, and they don't see the analogy. They think the United States is pushing for a needless war against a regime that poses no threat to them, let alone to the United States, which, with typical Gallic effrontery and ethnocentrism, they consider to be across the Atlantic, out of reach of Iraq. They see nothing to be gained by such a war, but they see dangers for everyone; and they don't want to be dragged into it. This is now 'anti-Americanism.'
[...]
'Experience keeps a dear school,' Benjamin Franklin said, 'but a fool will learn in no other.' The Europeans have learned bitter lessons in that school; Americans are just now enrolling."
--Joseph Sobran, "The School of Experience"
Before you're so quick to diss the French, you might want to bone up on your history and recall just who saved America's ass at Yorktown.
Hey, hairy armpit chicks rule! They usually have those sexy thick bushes, too.
I'm not American, so..
--
USA, One nation under God - UK, One nation under USA
How small a thought it takes to fill a whole life
I run mandrake on a laptop, and supermount renders the cd/rw unusable - disabling and putting a normal mount point in fstab works tho.
Um, frites (=``French fries'') are Belgian, not French.
:-)
I know they aren't French; that was part of my lame joke.
"Mandrake is the ONLY good thing ever to come from France. I assume from this statement that you don't drink wine, and don't eat at all."
I would hope this was meant in gest. If not, I would encourage the writer to keep in mind that many of the principles embraced by Jefferson and others in the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution of the U.S. were based on the ideas of Voltaire and Rousseau. Or, I would encourage the author to read some Anatole France, Zola, Camus, or Dumas, or really take in the beauty of a Cezanne, Renoir, Monet, or Matiesse, and perhaps listen to Ravel, Couperien, or Debussy. Even sampling a small amount of these other creations of France by a Mandrake user would be appreciated.
Also has the advantage of being stateless on the client, i.e. disconnect from the server, reconnect and you're back where you you were. http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/
That's what I thought ... to quote Kelly What's her name in "Top Gun" ... "That's some of the gutsiest flying I've ever seen."
Then I read the machine specs. Obviously a fool-around server.
1. Use prerelease version of MDK on production server
2. Whine on slashdot when said prerelease version eats HD
3. ???
4. PROFIT!!!!
True ... but ReiserFS wasn't the default. You could have played "truly noobie" and just kept clicking the defaults, answered a small handful of straightforward questions and watched it reboot into a working system (far simpler than a Win 98 install) in about 45 minutes from breaking the seal on the box to logging in for the first time (and finding that sound greated you because all that stuff was already done.)
... and have since it was introduced as an install option. Smooth!
I use ReiserFS on all of my partitions
What journaling filesystem does Windows offer?
The famous sentence "La garde meurt mais ne se rend pas" (the guard dies but does not surrender) is attributed to general Cambronne, in Waterloo, as he was already wounded, and the English troops commanded him to surrender with the imperial guard, which he leaded. Hugo would write later that the real winner of Waterloo was Cambronne, for his heroic behaviour in front of adversity.
More accurate evidences seem to suggest that the sentence actually was from general Michel, who found death during this battle. Cambronne's answer was shorter, although no less heroic, in the form of the famous "word of Cambronne": Merde ! (Shit !).
Supposed dead during the battle, Cambronne was captured by the english military, then freed and sentenced to martial court by the new french monarchy for having served under Bonaparte, before being freed again to serve the Bourbons.
So perharps it makes the citation more appropriate for poor Mandrake, willing to fight until its last breath without admitting defeat, the way real stubborn french people do.
Reminds me of another famous citation, from Cyrano de Bergerac, a fictional character of Edmod Rostand:
Que dites-vous ? C'est inutile ? Je le sais, mais on se bat pas dans l'espoir du succès.
(Lame translation: What do you say ? it's useless ? I know that, but one does not fight hoping for success).
All generalizations are false, including this one...
And Open For Business (unusual for Tim Butler to make this kind of blue, but...)
Gael Duval made the mistake of comparing the "bankruptcy protection" that Mandrake is under with a US Chapter 11. They are completely different. The idea in the US is that at this point the vultures gather and peck the unfortunate company to death (although when this happens to Microsoft I expect a number of uncultured louts to be gathered around EULA bonfires wearing party hats and making toasts with MSDN CDs); in France, the idea is that the company is repaired and gets a chance to catch its breath. The French government has approved Mandrake's plan for doing so.
It's worth reiterating that Mandrake are making a profit, but they've got some financial baggage from the halcyon dot-com days when a bright-eyed bushy-tailed and basically dumb management team spent too much money chasing non-core-business dreams.
I personally don't like some of the things Gael has done, but Mandrake as a whole is enthusiastic and productive. They're helping efforts like KDE enormously as well, and unlike certain other noisy for-profits who run everything as root, Mandrake GPL everything they do and actually publish the sources. They about as close to Debian as an RPM-based for-profit corp can be, and with a much more obvious concern for usability.
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
I now look at the scenario this way:
Exclude iso downloads to club members and cheapbytes buys one membership so that it can download the iso and then sell it for $5 each. Exclude all iso downloads for a while and cheapbytes buys the box set and starts selling cds for $5 each. Since one of the things that makes Mandrake so great is its lack of restrictive licensing, I guess there really is no way around this.
If Mandrake depends on the community supporting it, I am afraid you guys will only get just enough to eat and will have to broadcast a "crisis" every once in a while to get funding (like PBS, here in the states).
That leaves services. Being able to vote for packages, access the mirror script, and use the splat forums are real services. Having dedicated servers for members will be great, but they may also be expensive, which means less money to developers like you. Also, services can take time to catch on.
Restricting access to the ISO's seemed the perfect way to increase revenue without expenses, but as you pointed out, there is just no way for it to work, and I am sure Deno has come to that conclusion since that post.
So I guess there is not much more that I can do besides continue to support Mandrake, hope that others will do the same, and wish someone smarter than me would come up with a better way for Mandrake to make more money.
Sdelat' Ameriku velikoy Snova!
Friend of a friend did that to download the updates, and the machine was history 11 minutes later. He went back to using Linux. (-:
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
Perhaps what they want is a simple `UI Complexity' slider somewhere, like they used to have for their installer so you could set the slider to the right amount of disk space and the distro would select enough packages to fill that space for you.
The UI slider could be set to near zero when installed, you could slide it all the way down to `George Jetson' mode for those, er, special clients and lock it there, or redline it if you like to decide what values get poked into what registers with what timing to set up your video card.
Just don't let on that the `UI' stands for `User Intelligence' and you'll be fine. <G/D/R>
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
To the west, looking France, because this is the way your independance came from...
All generalizations are false, including this one...
You are evidence of the current, shitty calibre of trolls.
Oh common, every Bobby on the block has it's own home made disto of Linux now. Please, Linux is not about flavors and what software comes automaticaly installed durring the instalation of the Operating System. Every option/program that comes with Mandrake can be installed on any other flavor running same kernel. it's like this. int linux = kernel; int *redhat = int *mandrake = int *thenewbestdistroultra = It's all the SAME!
I am in no way a programmer, linux expert, advertising pro, businesss guru or an all around genious..... But I had an idea & was wondering how hard this would be & if it would help the movement.... P2P, its everywhere, It puts a hurting on even the biggest of industries (Music, Movies & Software), Why not make a Ditro P2P app for all the peeps that want to support their (or all) distros? I for one am on cable & have no reserves on letting this thing run when Im out of the house, Hell I allready do this with Gnutella, Kazaa, Did on napster etc etc If all of the distros didnt have to pay for any bandwidth at all, Seems like it would be a big savings to me, Now I know they have mirrors at educational institutions & all, but it sure seems they would benifit if even more people got their distibutions & called for technical support & or went out & bought the newest release of a given distro's book.. Just a rant... Any suggestions or slaps in the face? ***** I reserve this idea to be given ONLY to people who want to use it under GPL Mark B
"...no signs of a direct threat."
Yeah, nothing at all. Well, except for it's repeated refusal to now comply with UN weapons resolutions it agreed to years ago...apparently only to buy time for themselves once they saw there was no way to win the Gulf War.
Yeah, there's no threat from Iraq. Well, no threat to the US, but maybe just a bit of a threat to Iraq's neighbor, Iran, who has been poison gassed repeatedly using chemical weapons banned by the above mentioned weapons treaties. Indeed, Saddam has gassed his own people with nerve toxins.
Sure, Iraq may not be a direct MILITARY threat to us...we proved that back during Desert Storm. But he is certainly a direct threat to our way of life, one way being that he more or less controls the flow of a great deal of oil out of the arab states. (please leave out comments about our way of life being one of conquest and other nonsense.) And even if we didn't need his oil, the disgusting crimes against humanity that he is perpetrating cannot be allowed to continue. So why is it that the French were so glad to recieve our aid when THEY needed it, but now are so unwilling to help us aid another country that needs our help?
When their numbers dwindled from 50 to 8, the dwarves began to suspect Hungry.
Supermount!!! no! :(
Mandrake has included supermount since 9.0, which i have running on my ACPI laptop cause it had the best compatibility with the hardware than other distros at the time. Supermount is one of the stupidest things to include in a distro, cause its hella buggy, unstable and screws a lot of other things up and can crash the kernel. Its also a pain in the ass when you want to compile a new kernel as it does not include supermount be default.
I looked at the list of packages, and I'm tempted to switch back to Mandrake from Red Hat. Most of the packages missing from prior releases (kdevelop, slocate, and a few others) are directly listed. kcalc isn't there, but I presume it's bundled in with the kdeutils package.
KDE 3.1 is there (I ran one of the first betas, and it was good even back then), and the wireless package is there (hopefully my two currently-useless Linksys WUSB11 2.6 cards will work out of the box).
In two weeks, when I'll have my credit card paid off, I'm ordering 9.1 to replace my Red Hat 8.0 system (which I bought just last month). Here's hoping Mandrake has touched all the right bases this time.
Mandrake is the ONLY good thing ever to come from France.
... and ext3, although ext3 owes a lot to ext2) but having it was crucial for Linux a few years ago so I would copnsider it to qualify as another good thing coming out of France.
Hmm, the ext2 filesystem was mainly written by a French student way back when Linux wasn't so well known. Of course, it's importance is a bit smaller now with next generation filesystems (like ReiserFS, XFS
Although, if you are American you might consider the military help that came out of France during the independance war to be another good thing coming from France given that you might still be using sterling pounds if it wasn't for it.
Just because you are prejudiced against a country doesn't mean that nothing good comes from it.
"The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers." Bill Gates,
"So why is it that the French were so glad to recieve our aid when THEY needed it, but now are so unwilling to help us aid another country that needs our help?"
Because they don't agree with your reason to attack Iraq. When they agree on your reason to fight they are willing to help you, as shown during the American independence war, when France sent troops to help the revolutionaries.
Just because France doesn't support the US in all and every situation doesn't mean that they are unwilling to help, it is simply a difference of opinion between two nations.
"The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers." Bill Gates,
"To the west, looking France"
;)
Whoa, unless you mean that the Statue of Liberty is looking west towards France across the whole US, pacific ocean and Asian continent or unless I am very much mistaken about it being in NYC and NYC being on the US east coast, near the Atlantic ocean, they it may be possible that you just might have been confused between east and west
"The obvious mathematical breakthrough would be development of an easy way to factor large prime numbers." Bill Gates,
That may be, but I think it's more a matter of convenience for them. They don't want to get involved so they cite a difference of opinion.
When their numbers dwindled from 50 to 8, the dwarves began to suspect Hungry.
This is known as a hasty generalization.
Have you read any of Slashdot today?
How many people have you read that are criticizing Mandrake because of it's ease of use?
THINK!
I personally don't use Mandrake because of all of the problems I had getting it to install new versions of stuff that wasn't part of Mandrake's distribution page. Moreover, I noticed that you can't use the repositories for the previous version when the next version comes out - you have to upgrade when Mandrake does, or else you can't install any new packages without violating the dependencies. Obviously, this isn't going to be a problem for anyone that thinks that Mandrake has every package they will ever need, so for them it probably is a walk in the park to use.
I'm sorry, but that's just not easy enough for me to use. Plus, the compiler version they've been shipping with blows, in my experience (maybe they've upgraded by now and it works - haven't given it another chance). It failed most of the time when compiling new packages for me (I couldn't even get the kernel to compile with the default options that Mandrake had on it). I switched because I wanted a distro that was flexible when it came to changing the dependencies, and which I could easily add take advantage of the package system to add my own very quickly.
Mod me down and I will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine!
Mandrake Linux has been beaten down by linux experts...
These are obviously "experts" who don't have to support non-technical users, which makes me wonder if their expertise is limited to their bedrooms in their parents' home. My experience has been that Mandrake is a pretty sweet deal if you're the only sysadmin in the department and have better things to do with your time than configure crap for the receptionist.
Proud member of the Weirdo-American community.
Mandrake huh? I remember when I walked into a friend's apartment and asked what that strange looking Windowing System was. KDE was the response; KDE included with the Mandrake Distribution of Linux. I believe it was version 5 at the time.
So intrigued I was that, upon my return home, I downloaded and installed Mandrake right away. I was hooked. Having never used Linux before, I immediately downloaded Debian as well and started reading about this strange little kernel called Linux. So whilst I read all I could about Debian, I used Mandrake, learning far more in the using than in the reading. I in fact never got Debian to work they way I wanted and continued to use only Mandrake.
My self-owned small business signed on with Mandrake to become Quebec's only distributor of the Power Pack series (at the time.) It was here that I ran into trouble. I was caught between my love of the distribution, and the hatred of their distribution system. I was forced to pre-buy large quantities of boxed Power Packs. I never got rid of a version set without having to buy more of the new version set. When all was said and done, and I was ready to give up the ghost, I had leftover power packs of 6.1, 6.2, 6.3, 7.0, 7.1 and 7.2. Altogether I had spent over $1000K on Linux Mandrake Power Packs. I never made a cent, and in fact lost plenty. There was no response from any Mandrake offices; complaints and questions remained unanwered. Additionally, it took them several years to get my name of their list of resellers.
So here I find myself, years later, introduced to Linux and the OpenSource community by then-little Linux Mandrake. I still have a Mandrake-based Linux install running at my home. The distro has been modified heavily and possibly retains little resemblance to any known Mandrake products but that's how it started. I have now used many OSes that would not have made their way into my life without Mandrake. I recently discovered the joys of the BSD OSes, all thanks to Mandrake.
As much as I would like to say that I will be forever indebted to Linux Mandrake, the fact is that MandrakeSoft is really endebted to people who took a real hit early on simply because they loved the distribution so much. Although they have continued to put out a very useful distribution one has to wonder how other projects (with a much smaller bankroll) have survived and prospered.
Nonetheless, I will still recommend Mandrake to anyone who asks, and proudly exclaim it still remains part of my home network. My previous finacial and promotional support met with no rewards and even less satisfaction. They seem unable to run a economically viable ship and as has been the case with many other companies producing good products, tough luck. I do hope they survive, and I hope people have had a better experience with the business side of things than I have. Their product opens up a world of possibilites for those who want an easy-to-use and inexpensive alternative to the costly but widely accepted operating systems for the x86 platform. I wish them luck in their future endeavours.
s/Laetitia Casta/Vanessa Paradis/
Phwoar!
Life is like a sewer; what you get out of it depends on what you put into it...
... not that it exists yet but when it does
it will be unstable. The poster didn't write 2.4.21, he wrote 4.21, hence the fun.
Peder
Then again, if you're an editor at an English news site, you should EDIT FOR FUCKS SACKE
For me it is ridiculous, that you want to use a tool zillion of times more complicated than a hammer in the same way as you use a hammer.
You don't need a manual to operate a hammer. However you should read the manual for a tool that can calculate your taxes, play music/video, animate Titanic, serve data in network, connect you to your bank, handle your schedule, ...
I don't know how it is in your country, but when I buy a radio here, there is a manual included with big letters: Read the instructions before use! I don't have to read it. Also you don't have to learn everything about your tool. But 'ignoring the instructions may void varanty on this product' ...
East, sorry. Almost grown up now, and still mistaking left and right...
All generalizations are false, including this one...
since that is what RH8.x looks like (ie too childish for a corporate network).
Mandrake used to have this (IIRC in 7.x), but they took it out since users installed too much software and never configured it, then complained when (after not keeping up with updates, which were more frequent than necessary since they installed all the servers) they were hacked.
Better to know which software you need, and install it. Both (knowing which softare to install, and installing it) are trivial.
Guess what: MadnrakeLinux has no proprietary components in the core of its distribution.
Interesting difference with some other folks, no?
Guess further: what will be the next step when some distro gets you hooked on because of some proprietary add-on they have? By-by the reason for having Linux in the first place.
Hello??? This is a users screenshot. Maybe he has IE running (legally, if he has windows) under Wine.
Mandrake most certainly does not include the IE icon or the aqua theme the user is using.
Try one of the other screenshots (the Galaxy ones) to see Mandrake 9.1rc1 out-the-box.
[bgmilne@printserver mandrake]$ du -sh cooker \
contrib
2.2G cooker
1.7G contrib
And I am not even including all the extras (such as Tomcat) on the CDs, or the software in PLF,rpmhelp etc.
Of all that is holy, please mod parent up.
Sdelat' Ameriku velikoy Snova!
"Before you're so quick to diss the French, you might want to bone up on your history and recall just who saved America's ass at Yorktown [pbs.org]." Not even worth doing. The French people involved with that are long LONG dead. The current French with their appalling lack of knowledge of global affairs and their censorious government and lack of respect for worker rights are what is the reality today.
what you mean geeks have girlfriends that havent bought there own mandrake t-shirt yet.
And by the way, the reason the JRE isn't included in the *download* version (it's in the boxed version, mind you), is that the Sun JDK is proprietary software. The download version of Mandrake is one hundred percent GPL.
You fucking fuck off -- you fucking fucker fucker! FUCK YOU and all the fucks you fuck. FUCKER!
...talking about a `UI-complexity slider' as a means of adjusting a whole flock of UI settings to expose or mask various features of the UI. I only used the package selector as an illustration of something akin to this which had already been tried.
Perhaps I should take it to Cooker as a serious suggestion?
Got time? Spend some of it coding or testing
One thing that bothers me is the lag time between the release and the boxed sets. I frequently buy software at CompUsa, and it takes a long time to get Mandrake after the ISO is released. They never DID get 9.0! And I heard that ordering direct from Mandrake wasn't much better. I'm in favor of keeping free downloads, but it seems to me that having a long period where you CAN'T get a boxed set encourages freeloading.
Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
calibre? calibre? fuck off you POS brit fuck.