I don't like the way VMS only gets 2 lines - I especially don't like the way they've classified it under Unix. I'm suspicious about HP's motives for VMS.
"I see where you are coming from, but I don't think anyone with real feelings about freedom (net or meatspace) will have reprehensible views on abortion."
REALLY REALLY bad example there - do you mean - "The freedom of the mother to choose" or "The freedom of the unborn child"?
One of those two is reprehensible to EVERYONE - because everyone's definition of freedom is different.
Alex
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"If you want to know what the future of Windows holds, just look at VMS."
VMS is the most stable, reliable operating system I have ever used.
VMS has done true clustering since the mid nineties, if your statement holds Unix is screwed.
99) Geraldo Rivera informs viewers that he has visited the site of a friendly-fire incident in which three American soldiers were killed. "I said the Lord's Prayer and really choked up," Rivera says. When a critic for the Baltimore Sun later points out that Rivera was, in fact, more than 100 miles away from the site of the incident, Rivera claims he was actually at the site of a different friendly-fire incident, one that has escaped the attention of the military or any other journalistic source. "This cannot stand," Rivera adds. "He has impugned my honor. It is as if he slapped me in the face and challenged me to a duel."
Are you completely fucking insane? starting your own DNS based on a DSL line? do you have ANY idea how busy the root servers are?
They AVERAGE 3000 queries per SECOND.
Read RFC 2870 about root nameservers - it'll cost you a lot of money to do something like that. You are talking about a fully loaded clustered pair of 4 processor boxes, HA networking engineering, HA firewalls, etc, etc, and a team of top admins. None of this comes cheap, and don't even think of using linux, you'll want something you can get top tier integrated OS/Hardware support for.
Have a look at the levels of redundancy nominum use for GNS - their DNS service.
Actually I'm pretty sure it'll be something to do with the fact that Sun don't want to have to tell people like Veritas, Oracle and other ISV's, "Errrrm, sorry guys you're going to have to pay arbitrary fees to TrollTech, cos we've decided to go with a desktop toolkit that doesn't belong to us".
Just think of the stranglehold that'd give TrollTech over Sun and any software vendors that deploy on Solaris, can you imagine Microsoft giving another company control of the windows desktop toolkit?
Before you reply back with "they can afford it" or any other such arguments, I'm sure Sun's view was that despite KDE's advantages, it'd be easier to take gnome and bring it up to KDE's level, than hand over control of their desktop to a 3rd party.
"But there is such a thing as making something for a buck and selling it for 10, and every reasonable moral person knows that something is wrong with this axiom."
Its called the profit motive - its related to something called capitalism - you may have heard of it.
Theft is theft - justifying it by saying that companies charge too much is attempting to skirt the issue.
"Altough, If this new intel compiler does ELF, I can see MandrakeSoft or RedHat building their RPMs (glibc too - yay!) with it and claiming they are faster than the competition;-)."
So you are saying that RedHat (who own Cygnus - who write GCC) would use the Intel compiler to compile their operating system?
Would they compile the whole lot with the intel compiler? What would they compile GCC with? Or would they compile different things with different compilers?
This would get very horrible, very quickly,
Alex
ps - after the "dodgy" version of gcc saga can you imagine any linux vendor going through that again?
...and I'll try to convince my future employers that Solaris is a proprietary piece of shit and that they're much better off with something of the BSD family.
Yeah - and they'll tell you to f**k off.
Most computers run these crazy things called "applications", I'm sure you'll have a fun time pursuading your future employers that they want to invest lots of time recoding / retesting all their applications for A.N.Other OS for no reason other than its less well supported (face it - its going to be) but also in some intangiable way "better"
Is this the same Gnome that Sun and HP have chosed as their next generation UI or some other Gnome?
One of linux's greatest problems is the KDE vs Gnome "issue", sadly I think it is pretty unlikely that either of these will bite it. They are both great desktops environments, but the conflict/split between them diverts efforts away from any real chance of desktop dominance.
The fact that these two groups compete is great for linux users, but not for the "linux market" and I would have thought is a major factor discouraging companies porting software to linux.
"The PROPER way to handle HTML postings is to cancel the article, then hire a hitman to kill the poster, his wife and kids, and fuck his dog and smash his computer into little bits. Anything more is just extremism." - Paul Tomblin
If you buy commercial software you (unless support is bundled) have no right to blame anyone for anything - it is the associated SUPPORT CONTRACT that gives you the SLA/availability guarantee/etc. Even if support is included, after the year/number of incidents runs out, what do you have to do to get more?
That is why most software is relatively cheap, the manufacturer makes most of their money selling support (and associated services), why do you think Sun give away Solaris?
As you know proper enterprise support, is not cheap, and there are many consultancies out there tapping into this market offering
I think the problem was that Sharpe was set in the Napoleonic period (ending c 1815) and Sheffield United FC aka "The Blades" have only existed since 1889.
I disagree with you but I can totally see where you are coming from. I think it is unreasonable for the local authority (municipality) to do this and actually run it themselves. It would be a nightmare. But if they have the cash / ability to borrow, and would like to encourage broadband in their area two solutions acceptable to most would be.
a) The local authority puts out tenders to network providers to install the necessary infrastructure. Once the network providers have installed the network (subsidised by the local authority) it is run as any other part of their network.
b) The local authority puts in the basic physical infrastructure (fibre) and then holds an auction to see who will pay the most to run services over their network.
b) offers the most protection for the local authority as they own the physically network, and in the long run would probably yield the most return, but would also require more initial outlay.
One of the reasons this is a good idea is that municipalities can forcast financially for the very long term (as revenue is predictable), but most network providers can at the moment barely look 3 months down the line. So a municipality could borrow the money much more cheaply to make this investment.
BBC Radio is excellent, I only listen to Radio 1,3,4 and 5 but I've never had any problems with the content on any of them. Sara Cox is annoying, but I'd be annoying if I had to get up at 4 in the morning.
Telco's and large comms companies use Cisco switches and routers, Sun servers, etc, etc for a reason - they work.
No ifs, no buts, no upgrade this kernel, install that rpm bullshit.
Your f**king dreaming if you think a large telco is going to run their mission critical infrastructure on linux, maybe the BSD's but stuff like solaris and IOS comes on true HA hardware, with shit hot support from a vendor the company has worked with for years. You'd have to run gated on a BSD to even approach the number of advanced routing protcols a Cisco would support - and where would you get your enterprise level support, VPN support which integrates with your firewall?
The beauty of vendors like Cisco is that you can buy a totally Cisco network and if something goes wrong you can ring up the TAC and say - you fix it. If you've got other routers in there they'll be very helpful but they won't be able to replicate your setup in their lab
Open source zealots like yourself do more damage than good.
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I'll assume that he was running this ISP off of university bandwidth?
Has it occurred that this may have been a SERIOUS breach of AUP?
Alex
I don't like the way VMS only gets 2 lines - I especially don't like the way they've classified it under Unix. I'm suspicious about HP's motives for VMS.
Alex
"I see where you are coming from, but I don't think anyone with real feelings about freedom (net or meatspace) will have reprehensible views on abortion."
REALLY REALLY bad example there - do you mean - "The freedom of the mother to choose" or "The freedom of the unborn child"?
One of those two is reprehensible to EVERYONE - because everyone's definition of freedom is different.
Alex
"If you want to know what the future of Windows holds, just look at VMS."
VMS is the most stable, reliable operating system I have ever used.
VMS has done true clustering since the mid nineties, if your statement holds Unix is screwed.
Alex
And the fact that you can buy support on one and not on the other?
Alex
(Isn't his guy a failed talk show host?)
99) Geraldo Rivera informs viewers that he has visited the site of a friendly-fire incident in which three American soldiers were killed. "I said the Lord's Prayer and really choked up," Rivera says. When a critic for the Baltimore Sun later points out that Rivera was, in fact, more than 100 miles away from the site of the incident, Rivera claims he was actually at the site of a different friendly-fire incident, one that has escaped the attention of the military or any other journalistic source. "This cannot stand," Rivera adds. "He has impugned my honor. It is as if he slapped me in the face and challenged me to a duel."
Are you completely fucking insane? starting your own DNS based on a DSL line? do you have ANY idea how busy the root servers are?
They AVERAGE 3000 queries per SECOND.
Read RFC 2870 about root nameservers - it'll cost you a lot of money to do something like that. You are talking about a fully loaded clustered pair of 4 processor boxes, HA networking engineering, HA firewalls, etc, etc, and a team of top admins. None of this comes cheap, and don't even think of using linux, you'll want something you can get top tier integrated OS/Hardware support for.
Have a look at the levels of redundancy nominum use for GNS - their DNS service.
Alex
They make $$ providing hardware, they make lots more providing support year on year however.
If you are running anything other than Solaris you will be less willing to pay for the support.
Alex
Actually I'm pretty sure it'll be something to do with the fact that Sun don't want to have to tell people like Veritas, Oracle and other ISV's, "Errrrm, sorry guys you're going to have to pay arbitrary fees to TrollTech, cos we've decided to go with a desktop toolkit that doesn't belong to us".
Just think of the stranglehold that'd give TrollTech over Sun and any software vendors that deploy on Solaris, can you imagine Microsoft giving another company control of the windows desktop toolkit?
Before you reply back with "they can afford it" or any other such arguments, I'm sure Sun's view was that despite KDE's advantages, it'd be easier to take gnome and bring it up to KDE's level, than hand over control of their desktop to a 3rd party.
Alex
you are giving someone else access to your most business critical information.
This is one of those situations where you NEED expert advice you can rely on - and potentially sue if they f**k it up.
Alex
"But there is such a thing as making something for a buck and selling it for 10, and every reasonable moral person knows that something is wrong with this axiom."
Its called the profit motive - its related to something called capitalism - you may have heard of it. Theft is theft - justifying it by saying that companies charge too much is attempting to skirt the issue.
"Altough, If this new intel compiler does ELF, I can see MandrakeSoft or RedHat building their RPMs (glibc too - yay!) with it and claiming they are faster than the competition ;-)."
So you are saying that RedHat (who own Cygnus - who write GCC) would use the Intel compiler to compile their operating system?
Would they compile the whole lot with the intel compiler? What would they compile GCC with? Or would they compile different things with different compilers? This would get very horrible, very quickly,
Alex
ps - after the "dodgy" version of gcc saga can you imagine any linux vendor going through that again?
Ahem - the poster was refering to clueless whiny linux using dickheads^H advocates sending her a shitstorm of abusive mail.
Why does no one on slashdot actually read ANYTHING?
Alex
...and I'll try to convince my future employers that Solaris is a proprietary piece of shit and that they're much better off with something of the BSD family.
Yeah - and they'll tell you to f**k off.
Most computers run these crazy things called "applications", I'm sure you'll have a fun time pursuading your future employers that they want to invest lots of time recoding / retesting all their applications for A.N.Other OS for no reason other than its less well supported (face it - its going to be) but also in some intangiable way "better"
Alex
Gnome bite it?
Is this the same Gnome that Sun and HP have chosed as their next generation UI or some other Gnome?
One of linux's greatest problems is the KDE vs Gnome "issue", sadly I think it is pretty unlikely that either of these will bite it. They are both great desktops environments, but the conflict/split between them diverts efforts away from any real chance of desktop dominance.
The fact that these two groups compete is great for linux users, but not for the "linux market" and I would have thought is a major factor discouraging companies porting software to linux.
Alex
I think quote is appropriate to spammers as well,
"The PROPER way to handle HTML postings is to cancel the article, then hire a hitman to kill the poster, his wife and kids, and fuck his dog and smash his computer into little bits. Anything more is just extremism." - Paul Tomblin
I'm sorry - but this is rubbish.
If you buy commercial software you (unless support is bundled) have no right to blame anyone for anything - it is the associated SUPPORT CONTRACT that gives you the SLA/availability guarantee/etc. Even if support is included, after the year/number of incidents runs out, what do you have to do to get more?
That is why most software is relatively cheap, the manufacturer makes most of their money selling support (and associated services), why do you think Sun give away Solaris?
As you know proper enterprise support, is not cheap, and there are many consultancies out there tapping into this market offering
Alex
>> ([58]User #347 Info) [59]http://arcterex.net/ :)
;-)
> and this, of course, is why I didn't call them > both newbies
Pah - I can call you all newbies!
Seriously though AbiWord is a great product, but does the open source world really need 3 word processors?
Isn't this divertion of effort from all of their goals? Maybe 2 wordprocessors (OpenOffice's monolithic effort and a lightweigh alternative), but 3?
Alex
I think the problem was that Sharpe was set in the Napoleonic period (ending c 1815) and Sheffield United FC aka "The Blades" have only existed since 1889.
Alex
> is a 440 Mhz Ultra 10 (that's the UltrasparcIII processor, I'm pretty sure)
Errrrr.... no its not, prtdiag shows
System Configuration: Sun Microsystems sun4u Sun Ultra 5/10 UPA/PCI (UltraSPARC-IIi 440MHz)
Regards,
Alex
I disagree with you but I can totally see where you are coming from. I think it is unreasonable for the local authority (municipality) to do this and actually run it themselves. It would be a nightmare. But if they have the cash / ability to borrow, and would like to encourage broadband in their area two solutions acceptable to most would be.
a) The local authority puts out tenders to network providers to install the necessary infrastructure. Once the network providers have installed the network (subsidised by the local authority) it is run as any other part of their network.
b) The local authority puts in the basic physical infrastructure (fibre) and then holds an auction to see who will pay the most to run services over their network.
b) offers the most protection for the local authority as they own the physically network, and in the long run would probably yield the most return, but would also require more initial outlay.
One of the reasons this is a good idea is that municipalities can forcast financially for the very long term (as revenue is predictable), but most network providers can at the moment barely look 3 months down the line. So a municipality could borrow the money much more cheaply to make this investment.
BBC Radio is excellent, I only listen to Radio 1,3,4 and 5 but I've never had any problems with the content on any of them. Sara Cox is annoying, but I'd be annoying if I had to get up at 4 in the morning.
John Peel is worth the license fee on his own.
Alex
Dubya's Oil buddies won't be pleased.
Alex
Telco's and large comms companies use Cisco switches and routers, Sun servers, etc, etc for a reason - they work.
No ifs, no buts, no upgrade this kernel, install that rpm bullshit.
Your f**king dreaming if you think a large telco is going to run their mission critical infrastructure on linux, maybe the BSD's but stuff like solaris and IOS comes on true HA hardware, with shit hot support from a vendor the company has worked with for years. You'd have to run gated on a BSD to even approach the number of advanced routing protcols a Cisco would support - and where would you get your enterprise level support, VPN support which integrates with your firewall?
The beauty of vendors like Cisco is that you can buy a totally Cisco network and if something goes wrong you can ring up the TAC and say - you fix it. If you've got other routers in there they'll be very helpful but they won't be able to replicate your setup in their lab
Open source zealots like yourself do more damage than good.
Slashdot certified geek?
Just what you need - some know-nothing gobby twat who runs round installs linux on everything
Result!
Alex