Anyone that been in the computer field for more then a few weeks knows this. And for every clueless bastard that been saying through their fat face "why does anyone need a XXX mhx system, all they need a YY Mhz system" there's are a few people that realize, a fast system today, means you don't have to buy a new one ever X years.
Think about this. 3k for a wickly mean machine, 2k for a good computer, 500 bucks is for "all that someone really needs." A year from now that 500 bucks machine will become some sysadmin mail hub. The 2k will be his desktop for the next two years, and then serve as his file server for three, then a router for three more year. The hot machine will be the guy devel machine for a year, his desktop for two, his file server for four, and a router for another four more years.
What has more value? I think the 3k machine. That's why when I do buy a system, I buy two steps down form the best thing I can get, keeping it easy to upgrade (two 256 dimms, instead of four 128's), and understanding next year it will be less.
Salesman: Ok, we sell all kinds of computers! What would you like?
Me: I would like a AMB Athlon at 1ghz on an Abit KT7, with two 256 megs DIMM's, five 40 gig IBM drives, a DvD and a 48x CD-ROM, a voodoo 5500, a netgear 312tx, and a Sound Blaster Platnium 5.1 in I want it all it crammed into Enlight 7 bay server case.
Sellman: Ok, that comes to $3,538.53.
Me: But in your ad, the parts comes up to $2,986.98. With tax, that's 3,176.45. Where does the other come from?
Sellman: Windows 2000
Me: Hold on, did I say I want Windows?
Sellman: Your PC will not work without an operating system. Preinstalling the operating system on the your new PC saves considerable time, expense and trouble. After all, my expertise is top notch. I install system software day in, day out, so there is little question I'm best equipped to do it well.
Me: I want to run Debian.
Sellman: That won't without windows. It's not a good idea to acquiring a PC "naked" and subsequently pirating the software. It's simple never a good option
Me: Debian is NOT PIRATED SOFTWARE. Also Debian doesn't run in windows!! It's Linux.
Sellman: Oh! Linux! We sell that. Here. (puts a Red Hat 7.0 box on the counter)
Me: GOOD GOD MAN!! Are you crazy?
Sellman: What? You ask for Linux. This is Linux.
Me: THAT'S NOT LINUX!! That's some corprate trash riddle with bugs. I wouldn't run that if you paid me a million dollars. I quit jobs becuase I had to use that crap.
Sellman: I thought you wanted to run Debian?
Me: Debian is an os. It's Linux.
Sellman: Hmmm, (looks arounds)
Me: What are you doing?
Sellman: Seeing how much Debian costs.
Me: Debian is free!! You download it from the debian mirror site, I have my own, and apt-get updates by ftp.
Sellman: I have to point of the benefits of a legally licensed, preinstalled operating system. You'll have the original CD and you can reload the software.
Me: DEBIAN IS FREE AND I HATE CDS!!
Sellman: If you buy this(points to RedHat 7.0 box) You'll have a manual for everyday troubleshooting, and a Certificate of Authenticity that proves the software is legal.
Me: What? If I ever need to check something about Debian, I would do,man command>, may I'll read the FAQ, and if all else fails ask a question in #debian!
Sellman: I'm just trying to protect your and my good name. That's why I sell PCs fully equipped with legally licensed operating systems preinstalled. Otherwise, who knows what I'm levaing you and myself-open to.
Me: Protect my good name? What's wrong with my name? Are you saying there is something wrong with me becuase I run debian?
Sellman: You said you downloaded it from the internet. It's ether pirated or shitware.
Me: Debian is the best damn Linux distro on this green Earth!! Look, I'll forget that you're a moron, just sell me the system, I'll walk out of here and I'll never ask you another question.
I hate to inform you but the Consitution lost it Supreme Law of the Land when America went bankrupt and corporations bailed America out. Ever heard of the UCC? Well, the UCC is US law, but doesn't haft to follow the Consitution. After the 1930's any new law, didn't haft to follow the Consitution. The only reason why they haven't gone all out is becuase when have guns.
I'm telling you, the Corps run America, and you're just a slave to the Corps.
It's totaly messed up. If looking at the linux page, A 600mhz and 128meg could do 100k-500k hits a day while a 650mhz with twice the ram can only do 20k to 100k!! Someone screwed something up along the way. The header on the questionable table looks like a typo. When comparing the IIS and Apache pages, you'll notice Dell's rating is about the same for the same basic config hardware.
It is common practice to use illegal survielence to *target* a specific individual who otherwise would in
no way come to the attention of the authorities. This illegal material is THEN used to gather probable
cause that can be presented legally to a judge.
Which is really easy to do today, all you have to say is "drugs". BLAM! You got ever thing you need.
Let's get started on the same thing for the millionth time.
FIRST! Dell server hardware can be summed up by one word: wierd. Thier PERC Raid controller blows goat nuts.
Second. Most likley this was tested on a great big honking 8 way Xeon with globs of ram. Yes, the 2.2 kernel has "good" SMP support, and yes 2.4 kernel has better support, but Apache 1.3 DOESN'T!!! It simple doesn't have muilt treaded support like ISS, or what ever. Apache 1.3 runs best on many single proccessor machines, clustered some how, sharing content through NFS. If you want to do the Apache vs, ISS on muilt processor machine bit, test with Apache 2.0. I think it was showed once, and it scored 4 times better then ISS.
Sure, one HUGE machine with no fail over is what you might want for your intranet server where only people will complain. However in a co-lo, running a website that runs your company, many small cheap machines, that can quickly be replaced, upgraded, and scale up is what you want.
Think about like this, you can spend 4k on a small one process machine with a ide drive, or 50k on this huge central heater with globs and globs of ram and a huge SCSI raid system. You'll need two of these space heater, that 100k. For 100k how many of these 4k cheap-o machine can you buy? About 25 machines. For about 4k, you can get a single processor 600 mhz and a 20g ide drive, about 1/4 a gig of ram, a nic, and a rack mount able case. If you only get 20 single processor machine, you'll be be able to flood your connection, and have money left over for a 250g RAID 10 system. My number may be off (WAY OFF), but my point is made.
If a 4k machine blows up, so what, you have 19 other machines. If five blow up, oh well, you have 15 left. If this 50k 8 way space heater blows up, you lose haft your site, and you'll be running at haft power for the next few days until the unsite monkey tech gets there.
Is this slow for anyone else? I am running win98 on an AMD K6-200 with 64mb ram, nothing else
running, and it is amazingly slow. Not just slow launching, but an overall sluggishness in everything
from file menu access to page rendering. Unusable for me . Pretty, seems to have become rather
asthetically pleasing, but still unusable as of yet.
My first impression of netscape 6 was *bloated from hell and back*. Umm, let me sum it up:
USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND
marnuke 13031 0.0 0.3 2048 1028 pts/0 S 15:51 0:00 sh./netscape
marnuke 13033 0.2 0.4 2088 1080 pts/0 S 15:51 0:00 sh./run-mozilla.sh./mozilla-bin
marnuke 13037 62.4 10.6 40248 27316 pts/0 R 15:51 0:28./mozilla-bin
marnuke 13039 0.0 10.6 40248 27316 pts/0 S 15:51 0:00./mozilla-bin
marnuke 13040 0.1 10.6 40248 27320 pts/0 S 15:51 0:00./mozilla-bin
marnuke 13041 1.5 10.6 40248 27320 pts/0 S 15:51 0:00./mozilla-bin
Nothing more can be said other then this thing is bloated. Of course it's going to be slow on a 200mhz machine.
How about 4.75? Well..
USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND
marnuke 12953 5.7 7.1 25616 18324 ? S 15:42 0:35/usr/lib/netscape/475/communicator/communicator
How do we know that they're only looking at Joe Crack-dealer's email and not at Wally Politically-incorrect's email as well?
If you have a two bucks, you might want to place a dollar on each one.
Remember, this is a goverment that been tapping phone systems since the 60's. I'm pretty sure it's not just email they want. Most likley it's going to sniff all traffic, crack what it can, send to the lap what it can't do localy, and look for keywords in all text. Along with this, record the traffic from all machine, track useage and users, and profile everybody.
The Goverment want to know everything going on the internet, just like they know everything thing is the water, every plane in the sky, every voice being spoken, every object in orbit around the Earth. This goverment want to know it all.
Ok, maybe they just want to know email. Well sometimes, the only way to be able to track "emails" is to be able to get everything from $b from $c to $d to $h from $x going to $y coming from $v. Once they are able to do that, they crack the simple 128 bit cypto, enter a little password, crack a system, and find out what Billy and his Child Porn Super Store has or what plans is at Mark's Super Bomb Depot, first hand. How ever most likly, they crack into a freedom fighter camp in some third world country, find thier record, bomb thier base to hell and back, send in the army, we lose a few men, but who care it's not our sons. We place a goverment in control they delieve us millions of gallons of oil and we're all happy as hell in the us, thanks to out wonderful goverment taking care of our trist for oil. And we all sing "it's for the childern" and proudly standup saying "we can kick the world's ass!"
Ok, maybe that's a little far off. maybe they only was to kindly "remove' that damaging report about someone high up in goverment raping some girl and her brother dieing the same week in "a car crash". Or that grass root group that discover gross secerts about the goverment. Of course it could be use to remove the unnice web site showing how to hack some corp product.
The "tracking email" part is just a cover. There is no end on what a system like this can do. Simple being there is enough to raise questions, screw that. It's enough to panic.
How many people bitch and cry about a kiddie port scanning thier network? How about packet sniffing? How many hours after hours does a sysadmin secure his network? How many patches are appiled to secure a system? How many NSA keys are in software? Do you guys really trust a goverment with this much power of your lives? I don't. This goverment is after one thing now, control over the people. Moden day inslavement.
I don't know about you, I more worried about the goverment cracking my system then MrBadA$$ Cracker. Heck, MrBadA$$ just have to offer me some shells or mp3's and I'll let him have access to my collection of files.
The only reason I'm keeping mine is that one of these days, I'll probably take mine and use it to catalog all my CDs and books.
That's the only reason I got mine in the first place.
After getting outside of Rat Shack, I tossed everything but the bar code scanner in the trash (opps, was there a lience I was suppose to read?). When I got home, I hook it up, mucked around with it for a little bit, played with the seven line perl script, then procced to tossed it in the corner. Every now and then I'll drag it out, I'll slice wires, jump wires, what ever I hear cool to do with it. It allways come back to one thing, the CutCat sucks. It's a cheap bar code reader which is best suited to filling up a landfill.
First time since the IBM PC this going to be a fixed platform?!? I guess he must have gone
into a coma or something and completely missed the NES, Genesis, TG-16, SNES,
Neo*Geo, Saturn, Play Station, etc.:-)
Maybe there's not 2500 bug in Red Hat but the thing is Red Hat doesn't try to fix the bugs in community code. Just like any big corp, they write it off as not thier problem and most of the time doesn't do anything about it. With debian, yeah there were 10,000 bugs in tator, but I never ran across any major ones, and the Debian guys tried to fix the bugs, no matter who wrote the code.
The last version of Red Hat I used was 6.2 before I said to the hell with the start up scripts and fighting with that damn linuxconf. The bugs I would get, prevented me from doing what I wanted to do. Alot of time I ended up compiling from tar balls, and rebuild the RPM's. I'll take 10,000 debian bugs over one Red Hat bug. With debian, I know there are bugs, and they are working on fixing it. I just have to wait a week and run apt-get. With Red Hat I either have to build from tarball and roll my own RPM's or get 50 billion RPM's (or use rpm --force) to install the update, which most of the time is broken anyways.
I'll stick with Debian, thank you very much. As to date, I refuse to work on any Red Hat running machines. There is just to much crap to deal with that I don't have time for.
There is no Wise County, NC. There are no such records in the local news in the Research Triangle
Area of NC.
American press wouldn't lie to the public to make it seam like techie are drug crazied over paid burn outs dieing left and right from over doses. They wouldn't do that to inforce anit-drug ideas and laws to the 280 millions people living in America, discriditng any good uses of drugs. They wouldn't lie about the war-on-drug being a waste of time and money, and really a war on people.
The press wouldn't lie to us to befit the million of supporters of the anit-drug business. Naw, they wouldn't lie to us. What would they gain? They have no reason to lie.... Why would they lie to us? They have no reason to lie.... They have no reason lie... not to us...
"Virtually 100% [of stimulant users] begin to use downers--alcohol, Valium or heroin--to sleep," said Dr. Stalcup of the Concord treatment center. He declined to comment specifically about the Bunnell case.
LOL! I just love statements like this!! Let's see here. Hmm, out everyone I know that use stimulants, don't drink? *Think* *Think* AH! None! They all drink alcohol!! Does it say that 100% of caffine junkies use heroin? Nope. How about 100% of meth users use Valium? Nope. Just people who use stimulants one of these. *Duh*
Nice how an or can be used to scare people.
Now I use as and when I feel like it, and that's not a proble. I'd imagine it's the same in Silicon
Valley, not the den of burnt out addicts that they're trying to portray. Sure there are people that are
going to fuck up big time, and it's a tragic loss, but these cases are the minority compared to the huge
numbers of people who use regularly without a problem.
According to anit-drug clueless fools you can't use illegal drug and not be a basement dewelling burnt out that is a treat to all people near you. The more they push this idea, the harder it will be to legal drugs.
VIP from Monkey Products Inc.: I would like to intro our new product, Gizmo V. After four years of work, its ready for release. It's 50% better then Gizmo IV models, and 300% better then Gizmo III line of products. We have added 50% more stuff to the Gizmo IV, and double to load of by 46.32% and decreased the size by 20%. Through Monkey Tech Gummba Mumba, we have decrease the power rating by 30%.
Dude: What are you trying to say?
VIP from Monkey Products Inc.: It's better and you should buy it.
Dude: Why?
VIP from Monkey Products Inc.: It's 50% better then the Gizmo IV!! It's a great product!
Dude: But it just a Gizmo III with Gizmo IV crap, and bunch of stuff you added on to call it a Gizmo V. It's still the same basic core that you used on the Gizmo Pro.
VIP from Monkey Products Inc.: Yeah but it's 50% better then the Gizmo IV!!
Dude: When is it ready for testing?
VIP from Monkey Products Inc.: Sorry, we only have Alpha versions.
Dude: Ok, then when can I buy it?
VIP from Monkey Products Inc.: Next Month! But only from OEM dealers.
Dude: Hmm, you don't have it ready for testing, but yet you been working on it for four years, and it will be ready next month for shipments to OEM next month?
VIP from Monkey Products Inc.: Yep?
Dude: right..
VIP from Monkey Products Inc.: It will be in the store by the end of the year!!
Dude: right..
VIP from Monkey Products Inc.: It will...
Dude: How much will it cost?
VIP from Monkey Products Inc.: Since Gizmo IV didn't sell very good, and we lost 25 Billion dollars during the last two years. We believe the Gizmo V is such a great product that everyone will want one.
Dude: I see were this is going. You sell crappy products and instead of trying to make good product. You lie to me time and time again and charge me through the nose for stuff that is only slightly faster then your previous products.
VIP from Monkey Products Inc.: Yeah but the new Gizmo V will be 50% faster then the Gizmo VI!! Where are you going to go? What are you going to use?
Dude: Rat Powered Products Inc. They have something better, for cheaper, and I can buy it today.
Simple: people will start buying more Macs. Because Macs are the closest thing to windows machines out there right now to consumers. They don't care if it's an x86 or not in there, just what applications they can run
This cool thing is, new macs will be MacOS X which, as we all know, is UNIX. More MacOS X on the desktop and the next thing you'll see is the code being ported across the board of all UNIX OS. Then the gamers will get into it, and the buniess people and soon every one might be using UNIX. Of course this will only happens if two things extists:
It's easy to use
It doesn't cost to much
No one but zealots and power users care what OS they use. Most people just want something that can do what they want to do, easy to use, and still have money leftover. $1000 bucks for an OS for a desktop will fly about a far as a sherman tank.
I can contest to this. At my last position I wasn't respected and was worked like a dog. My opions didn't matter. What I thought was best for the company was tossed aside. The poilicy I drafted wasn't followed. No one listened to me until they couldn't figure out the problem. I was a simple fix-it-for-us-when-we-need-you-anytime-during-the- day-yes-this-mean-24/7-network-monkey-gi mp-boy-and-keep-quite
When I started I was told this was a management level position. What BS. I was a support tech for the LAN. If they told me this was what they had in mind for me, I wouldn't have accepted the position. All they wanted me to do was build a stable, secure, LAN, and get the most out of me as they possiable could for the least amount of money then replace me with a bunch of cheap clueless interms to support what I built.
When I ask for a pay raise, they told me I would have to move closer, basicly so I would be thier gimp boy. I wanted to move out of my parents house anyways, I took the paid raise. Instead of just calling me in for IT crap, they started to call me to build these desks. I guess it's becuase I could build them twice as fast as anyone else there. They tricked me by call me up on a 3 o'clock pm on saturday saying that the network was down. It was becuase they loosed (unpluged) the damn uplink to the router.
They called me in a few more time to do wierd stuff on my weekend. Hello! I worked sixty five frigging hours for you assholes this week, can I have a day off?!
I got pissed and an turned my cell phone off one weekend. I decided to come in anyways, Sunday after the X files for about an hour to setup some computers. I walked into the door as soon as I did the VP and CEO jumped on my case about how I should get voice mail. I siad the flat out, I hate phones, and I hate voice mail even more. No way in hell jack. I'm a geek, email me.
They wanted to do some stupid demo with MicroSoft NetMeeting and email that they couldn't do becuase of a firewall. I told them, just use two laptops to do your little demo. They wouldn't listen to me. They piss farted around with netmeeting for hours trying to get it work with the ipchains firewall until I failly said "no, I'm not messing with this crapp any more. Use the damn laptops for your demo. I'm going to finsh the work which I came here to do and go home and sleep." I told them how to get on the other side of the firewall, and warned them they won't be able to access anything the way it's currently setup." Did they listen to me? hell no.
That night I went to sleep at 2 am. At 8 o'clock my cell phone rang. I was pissed, I knew who it was and I knew what they were calling about. Five mintues later it rang again, this time I deciced to pick the phone up. Sure enough, the guy was still on the other side of the firewall complaining becuase he couldn't "see the network". After telling him just move the cable to the other socket and reboot a dozen times, I had to come in to do it for him.
At 9 o'clock I made it in. Other people were moving machines around and a NT machine decided to become the PDC, and my samba server didn't have enough to power kick it off. SMB was down for an hour waiting for all the NT crap to time out. The guy blamed me for it. He also blamed me for having to buy a hub. I waa thinking to myself "WTF, there's 1,2,3,4 FIVE! RJ-45 connectors in the room, and there's a hub sitting in my office in plain sight." I got yelled at, treated to be fired, and told [a new guy they just hired] could do my job, he knows Linux. The kid only delt with two network applices machines running linux (he told me "it was a mess") using nothing but web interfaces for three months. He didn't know jack about Linux or networking for that matters. When I was talking to him asking basic questions or explaining the network setup, he gave nothing but stuned blank stares. What really got me was a few people in the office wondered how I could do everything in the office by myself. I just told them, I just that damn good.
I was pissed. About everything. I can't belive I was having my job treated. I never worked so hard in my life for a company just to be pissed on like this. If they just listen to me, none of the BS would have happend. Once I fixed all of their fuck ups, I took the rest of the day off and read/. until my eyeballs hurt.
Two days later, I left that hell hole. Two weeks after that, they hired two "Sr. Network Monkeys", a "Lead Network Monkey" (SysAdmin), and a "Techincal Support Monkey Team" for the 200 servers. God knows how many people just to do what I was doing!!! I think the total is like 10 or 12. Most of them are interms with no knowleadge getting crap pay, if they even get paid. Of course they double thier staff, but shit! The "Lead Network Monkey", my friend, and my self could rule over thier network like Nazi leaders using Debian and OpenBSD.
A month later I found my current positon. I'm making 60k a year, less work, less stress, able to hire people when I feel I need help (none of this, "I need help, please hire someone" oh no! All I have to do is say "I need help, hire this guy"), working with good people (no assholes here!), in a cool building (where I can smoke anywhere I damn well please outside), working my own hours, never called in to do wierd stuff, complete control of the network, able to choose what OS I want to use, order my own supplies, get true respect from my peers, and they pay for health ins! My boss isn't just a manager but a friend that understand the IT field and where's it headed. He understand the stress IT people go through. I love my job.
Anyway, the next time you are stressed at work take three deep breaths, hold in the last one and
imagine you are behind the counter at McDonalds or perhaps your job is cleaning the porta-pottys at
construction site. Next haul out your last paystub (or whatever) and exhale while reading it. If you still
don't feel better, start shopping around for an organization that will treat you better...
RIGHT ON!! I may be losing hair and sleep, but damn is that pay check nice. The best part about these "high stress techno jobs" is you can go to a bar (get into a fight if your an animal) in your work cloths, try that working at McDonald!!!
lol! I should know, I slavied away at that hell hole for 10 hours at time, for that PHAT $4.25 an hour. Nothing better then spend 10 hours smelling like shit, tossing patties, slipping and sliding on da floor, spitting in people food, spilling "the waste product" all over yourself, making 600 big macs in one night while your friends are having fun, then missing halloween 'cuase gotz to work 'cuase else is working and you're promised dinner which the bitch tried to make you pay for so you steal a whole case of nuggets and fires but this doesn't counter react hearing your friends talk about that night for the rest of your frigging life, and burning da hands so many damn time you lose the feeling of heat, BUT what joy is to remember that was your best damn job in the world of all shit jobs.
Oh yeah, gotta love them shirts and pants, dare you where blue jeans, you would spend weeks short shafted running the grill by ya own damn self. Of course you're to stupid to quit so you live with it until you piss in the freeze by mistake and fail to come the next day after you founding yourself high as hell in your 1980 pontic green lemon with your head in a haft eating hamburger from god knows then after moving your stoned ass inside, having the wierdest experince in your life with some girl on the telephone cause you praticed wicca who now now you can't get out of your head and having you parent yell and screem at you becuase how are you going to pay for the P90 that you bought for 4 grand and learned UNIX on which gave you your job today, but I be damn, IF WORKING AT McDonald DOESN'T MOVATE YOU, NOTHING WILL!!
Every one should work at mcdonalds for at least 6 months to know what a shitty job really means!! Maybe less people would bitch, naw, we would just have more teenage smelling like shit, pissing in our food and being beyond atomic at what ever made them get a job in the first place! Damn goverment.
But heck, if you ever get tried of your geekdom job, McDonald will allways hire you, even if you stole, pissed in the food, and still smell like shit.
Did someone say McDonald? I got a 9. I didn't think anyone said anything. We're going to Taco Hell.
I'll pay my dime when the artist has done something to warrent it. If I like the band, I'll go to thier show. If I like them enough, I might even tip them, I'll give them my five bucks, no problem. However, I refuse so help me god to give a 14 bucks to some haft ass, one hit wonder, to buy their cd, for one stupid song that in two years I'm going to hate and place the cd in the "sucky pile".
I'm insulted by "FREE ART is crappy art", that total bs. Some of the best stuff in the world has been done becuase of doing Art for what it is NOT THE CASH TO BE GAINED BY THE ART!!
You think when what his face was crafting David he was thinking: "I could make a mint off of this". Or what about Mozart? Do you really think he was thinking, "hell, if I created a great piece of musical work I could up the price on the guests, and increase my profit by 20% and buy that fancy boat I saw down by the oceanside" when he was writing Missa?
The people that think they can make money from "Art" are corprate assholes, greedy bastard, and pissed poored artists looking in the wrong area to put food on the table. Example:
back street boys
britney spears
How about cool bands that are for MP3's? Name a few, go a head and do a search. Artist make thier money from selling WORKS they PRODUCED.
Another thing that completely pisses me off is, don't sell out your art. Don't make art just to sell it. I can't really feel sorry for people who put all their pennies in one jar and bet all or nothing on thier music/art. If the artist can't put food on the table, to bad, most likly they suck. Yeah, I know many designers, these guys could be consider artists. Some of them do really good work. I have also seen "designers" that have no talent, spent 100k on art school, having a hard time trying to put food on the table. Should I say, even through you suck, here's five bucks? It's no better, then the artist saying "here's this great painting I made, you can have it for free".
For music, it's another story. For music, the artist want as many people to hear it, download thier music, and come to their shows. Let's say someone is "well off" at 100k a year. At a buck, only 100k people need to donate to them. At 2, only 50k. At 5 bucks, a fair cost of a show, they only need to reach 20k people. If you can't reach out to get 30,000 people to come to your show in the course of a year, sorry, the artist suck. If a buck a person, it's 30k. Just enough to put food on the table (not much else however).
Do art for the loving of creating Art, not for the cash flow that it could be. If you are good enough, no matter what it is, you will get your rewards.
With the laws that govern the world we livin it can't. Here's how:
music | some priacy proof device | speaker > air > ear ok..
music | some priacy proof device | speaker > air > mic even better..
music | some priacy proof device | speaker > wire > input device | mp3 coder (lame) > newsong.mp3 && echo "here's that new mp3" | mutt -s newsong.mp3 -a newsong.mp3 friend@marnuke.net mucho mejor amigo!!!
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If it's not, they're going to roll out a kernel patch a day of getting thier hands on thier first SMB Athlon board.
Anyone that been in the computer field for more then a few weeks knows this. And for every clueless bastard that been saying through their fat face "why does anyone need a XXX mhx system, all they need a YY Mhz system" there's are a few people that realize, a fast system today, means you don't have to buy a new one ever X years.
Think about this. 3k for a wickly mean machine, 2k for a good computer, 500 bucks is for "all that someone really needs." A year from now that 500 bucks machine will become some sysadmin mail hub. The 2k will be his desktop for the next two years, and then serve as his file server for three, then a router for three more year. The hot machine will be the guy devel machine for a year, his desktop for two, his file server for four, and a router for another four more years.
What has more value? I think the 3k machine. That's why when I do buy a system, I buy two steps down form the best thing I can get, keeping it easy to upgrade (two 256 dimms, instead of four 128's), and understanding next year it will be less.
Me: HI! I would like to buy a computer
,man command>, may I'll read the FAQ, and if all else fails ask a question in #debian!
Salesman: Ok, we sell all kinds of computers! What would you like?
Me: I would like a AMB Athlon at 1ghz on an Abit KT7, with two 256 megs DIMM's, five 40 gig IBM drives, a DvD and a 48x CD-ROM, a voodoo 5500, a netgear 312tx, and a Sound Blaster Platnium 5.1 in I want it all it crammed into Enlight 7 bay server case.
Sellman: Ok, that comes to $3,538.53.
Me: But in your ad, the parts comes up to $2,986.98. With tax, that's 3,176.45. Where does the other come from?
Sellman: Windows 2000
Me: Hold on, did I say I want Windows?
Sellman: Your PC will not work without an operating system. Preinstalling the operating system on the your new PC saves considerable time, expense and trouble. After all, my expertise is top notch. I install system software day in, day out, so there is little question I'm best equipped to do it well.
Me: I want to run Debian.
Sellman: That won't without windows. It's not a good idea to acquiring a PC "naked" and subsequently pirating the software. It's simple never a good option
Me: Debian is NOT PIRATED SOFTWARE. Also Debian doesn't run in windows!! It's Linux.
Sellman: Oh! Linux! We sell that. Here. (puts a Red Hat 7.0 box on the counter)
Me: GOOD GOD MAN!! Are you crazy?
Sellman: What? You ask for Linux. This is Linux.
Me: THAT'S NOT LINUX!! That's some corprate trash riddle with bugs. I wouldn't run that if you paid me a million dollars. I quit jobs becuase I had to use that crap.
Sellman: I thought you wanted to run Debian?
Me: Debian is an os. It's Linux.
Sellman: Hmmm, (looks arounds)
Me: What are you doing?
Sellman: Seeing how much Debian costs.
Me: Debian is free!! You download it from the debian mirror site, I have my own, and apt-get updates by ftp.
Sellman: I have to point of the benefits of a legally licensed, preinstalled operating system. You'll have the original CD and you can reload the software.
Me: DEBIAN IS FREE AND I HATE CDS!!
Sellman: If you buy this(points to RedHat 7.0 box) You'll have a manual for everyday troubleshooting, and a Certificate of Authenticity that proves the software is legal.
Me: What? If I ever need to check something about Debian, I would do
Sellman: I'm just trying to protect your and my good name. That's why I sell PCs fully equipped with legally licensed operating systems preinstalled. Otherwise, who knows what I'm levaing you and myself-open to.
Me: Protect my good name? What's wrong with my name? Are you saying there is something wrong with me becuase I run debian?
Sellman: You said you downloaded it from the internet. It's ether pirated or shitware.
Me: Debian is the best damn Linux distro on this green Earth!! Look, I'll forget that you're a moron, just sell me the system, I'll walk out of here and I'll never ask you another question.
Sellman: I can't, I have to sell you an OS.
Me: Forget it, I'll buy the parts online.
I hate to inform you but the Consitution lost it Supreme Law of the Land when America went bankrupt and corporations bailed America out. Ever heard of the UCC? Well, the UCC is US law, but doesn't haft to follow the Consitution. After the 1930's any new law, didn't haft to follow the Consitution. The only reason why they haven't gone all out is becuase when have guns.
I'm telling you, the Corps run America, and you're just a slave to the Corps.
http://www .de ll.com/us/en/hied/topics/products_iis5_pwrap_paw_w in.htm
For Apache
http://www .de ll.com/us/en/hied/topics/products_iis7_pwrap_paw_l in.htm
It's totaly messed up. If looking at the linux page, A 600mhz and 128meg could do 100k-500k hits a day while a 650mhz with twice the ram can only do 20k to 100k!! Someone screwed something up along the way. The header on the questionable table looks like a typo. When comparing the IIS and Apache pages, you'll notice Dell's rating is about the same for the same basic config hardware.
Which is really easy to do today, all you have to say is "drugs". BLAM! You got ever thing you need.
Ah yes! We're back on this subject again!
Let's get started on the same thing for the millionth time.
FIRST! Dell server hardware can be summed up by one word: wierd. Thier PERC Raid controller blows goat nuts.
Second. Most likley this was tested on a great big honking 8 way Xeon with globs of ram. Yes, the 2.2 kernel has "good" SMP support, and yes 2.4 kernel has better support, but Apache 1.3 DOESN'T!!! It simple doesn't have muilt treaded support like ISS, or what ever. Apache 1.3 runs best on many single proccessor machines, clustered some how, sharing content through NFS. If you want to do the Apache vs, ISS on muilt processor machine bit, test with Apache 2.0. I think it was showed once, and it scored 4 times better then ISS.
Sure, one HUGE machine with no fail over is what you might want for your intranet server where only people will complain. However in a co-lo, running a website that runs your company, many small cheap machines, that can quickly be replaced, upgraded, and scale up is what you want.
Think about like this, you can spend 4k on a small one process machine with a ide drive, or 50k on this huge central heater with globs and globs of ram and a huge SCSI raid system. You'll need two of these space heater, that 100k. For 100k how many of these 4k cheap-o machine can you buy? About 25 machines. For about 4k, you can get a single processor 600 mhz and a 20g ide drive, about 1/4 a gig of ram, a nic, and a rack mount able case. If you only get 20 single processor machine, you'll be be able to flood your connection, and have money left over for a 250g RAID 10 system. My number may be off (WAY OFF), but my point is made.
If a 4k machine blows up, so what, you have 19 other machines. If five blow up, oh well, you have 15 left. If this 50k 8 way space heater blows up, you lose haft your site, and you'll be running at haft power for the next few days until the unsite monkey tech gets there.
My first impression of netscape 6 was *bloated from hell and back*. Umm, let me sum it up:
USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND ./netscape ./run-mozilla.sh ./mozilla-bin ./mozilla-bin ./mozilla-bin ./mozilla-bin ./mozilla-bin
marnuke 13031 0.0 0.3 2048 1028 pts/0 S 15:51 0:00 sh
marnuke 13033 0.2 0.4 2088 1080 pts/0 S 15:51 0:00 sh
marnuke 13037 62.4 10.6 40248 27316 pts/0 R 15:51 0:28
marnuke 13039 0.0 10.6 40248 27316 pts/0 S 15:51 0:00
marnuke 13040 0.1 10.6 40248 27320 pts/0 S 15:51 0:00
marnuke 13041 1.5 10.6 40248 27320 pts/0 S 15:51 0:00
Nothing more can be said other then this thing is bloated. Of course it's going to be slow on a 200mhz machine.
How about 4.75? Well..
USER PID %CPU %MEM VSZ RSS TTY STAT START TIME COMMAND /usr/lib/netscape/475/communicator/communicator
marnuke 12953 5.7 7.1 25616 18324 ? S 15:42 0:35
If you have a two bucks, you might want to place a dollar on each one.
Remember, this is a goverment that been tapping phone systems since the 60's. I'm pretty sure it's not just email they want. Most likley it's going to sniff all traffic, crack what it can, send to the lap what it can't do localy, and look for keywords in all text. Along with this, record the traffic from all machine, track useage and users, and profile everybody.
The Goverment want to know everything going on the internet, just like they know everything thing is the water, every plane in the sky, every voice being spoken, every object in orbit around the Earth. This goverment want to know it all.
Ok, maybe they just want to know email. Well sometimes, the only way to be able to track "emails" is to be able to get everything from $b from $c to $d to $h from $x going to $y coming from $v. Once they are able to do that, they crack the simple 128 bit cypto, enter a little password, crack a system, and find out what Billy and his Child Porn Super Store has or what plans is at Mark's Super Bomb Depot, first hand. How ever most likly, they crack into a freedom fighter camp in some third world country, find thier record, bomb thier base to hell and back, send in the army, we lose a few men, but who care it's not our sons. We place a goverment in control they delieve us millions of gallons of oil and we're all happy as hell in the us, thanks to out wonderful goverment taking care of our trist for oil. And we all sing "it's for the childern" and proudly standup saying "we can kick the world's ass!"
Ok, maybe that's a little far off. maybe they only was to kindly "remove' that damaging report about someone high up in goverment raping some girl and her brother dieing the same week in "a car crash". Or that grass root group that discover gross secerts about the goverment. Of course it could be use to remove the unnice web site showing how to hack some corp product.
The "tracking email" part is just a cover. There is no end on what a system like this can do. Simple being there is enough to raise questions, screw that. It's enough to panic.
How many people bitch and cry about a kiddie port scanning thier network? How about packet sniffing? How many hours after hours does a sysadmin secure his network? How many patches are appiled to secure a system? How many NSA keys are in software? Do you guys really trust a goverment with this much power of your lives? I don't. This goverment is after one thing now, control over the people. Moden day inslavement.
I don't know about you, I more worried about the goverment cracking my system then MrBadA$$ Cracker. Heck, MrBadA$$ just have to offer me some shells or mp3's and I'll let him have access to my collection of files.
HEY NOW!! I love beer!
That's the only reason I got mine in the first place.
After getting outside of Rat Shack, I tossed everything but the bar code scanner in the trash (opps, was there a lience I was suppose to read?). When I got home, I hook it up, mucked around with it for a little bit, played with the seven line perl script, then procced to tossed it in the corner. Every now and then I'll drag it out, I'll slice wires, jump wires, what ever I hear cool to do with it. It allways come back to one thing, the CutCat sucks. It's a cheap bar code reader which is best suited to filling up a landfill.
Easy on the guy, he works for MicroSoft.
Maybe there's not 2500 bug in Red Hat but the thing is Red Hat doesn't try to fix the bugs in community code. Just like any big corp, they write it off as not thier problem and most of the time doesn't do anything about it. With debian, yeah there were 10,000 bugs in tator, but I never ran across any major ones, and the Debian guys tried to fix the bugs, no matter who wrote the code.
The last version of Red Hat I used was 6.2 before I said to the hell with the start up scripts and fighting with that damn linuxconf. The bugs I would get, prevented me from doing what I wanted to do. Alot of time I ended up compiling from tar balls, and rebuild the RPM's. I'll take 10,000 debian bugs over one Red Hat bug. With debian, I know there are bugs, and they are working on fixing it. I just have to wait a week and run apt-get. With Red Hat I either have to build from tarball and roll my own RPM's or get 50 billion RPM's (or use rpm --force) to install the update, which most of the time is broken anyways.
I'll stick with Debian, thank you very much. As to date, I refuse to work on any Red Hat running machines. There is just to much crap to deal with that I don't have time for.
Yep, every sucessful addict has a handy dandy drug book.
American press wouldn't lie to the public to make it seam like techie are drug crazied over paid burn outs dieing left and right from over doses. They wouldn't do that to inforce anit-drug ideas and laws to the 280 millions people living in America, discriditng any good uses of drugs. They wouldn't lie about the war-on-drug being a waste of time and money, and really a war on people.
The press wouldn't lie to us to befit the million of supporters of the anit-drug business. Naw, they wouldn't lie to us. What would they gain? They have no reason to lie.... Why would they lie to us? They have no reason to lie.... They have no reason lie... not to us...
Oh god!! tell me it's not true!!
LOL! I just love statements like this!! Let's see here. Hmm, out everyone I know that use stimulants, don't drink? *Think* *Think* AH! None! They all drink alcohol!! Does it say that 100% of caffine junkies use heroin? Nope. How about 100% of meth users use Valium? Nope. Just people who use stimulants one of these. *Duh*
Nice how an or can be used to scare people.
Now I use as and when I feel like it, and that's not a proble. I'd imagine it's the same in Silicon Valley, not the den of burnt out addicts that they're trying to portray. Sure there are people that are going to fuck up big time, and it's a tragic loss, but these cases are the minority compared to the huge numbers of people who use regularly without a problem.
According to anit-drug clueless fools you can't use illegal drug and not be a basement dewelling burnt out that is a treat to all people near you. The more they push this idea, the harder it will be to legal drugs.
VIP from Monkey Products Inc.: I would like to intro our new product, Gizmo V. After four years of work, its ready for release. It's 50% better then Gizmo IV models, and 300% better then Gizmo III line of products. We have added 50% more stuff to the Gizmo IV, and double to load of by 46.32% and decreased the size by 20%. Through Monkey Tech Gummba Mumba, we have decrease the power rating by 30%.
Dude: What are you trying to say?
VIP from Monkey Products Inc.: It's better and you should buy it.
Dude: Why?
VIP from Monkey Products Inc.: It's 50% better then the Gizmo IV!! It's a great product!
Dude: But it just a Gizmo III with Gizmo IV crap, and bunch of stuff you added on to call it a Gizmo V. It's still the same basic core that you used on the Gizmo Pro.
VIP from Monkey Products Inc.: Yeah but it's 50% better then the Gizmo IV!!
Dude: When is it ready for testing?
VIP from Monkey Products Inc.: Sorry, we only have Alpha versions.
Dude: Ok, then when can I buy it?
VIP from Monkey Products Inc.: Next Month! But only from OEM dealers.
Dude: Hmm, you don't have it ready for testing, but yet you been working on it for four years, and it will be ready next month for shipments to OEM next month?
VIP from Monkey Products Inc.: Yep?
Dude: right..
VIP from Monkey Products Inc.: It will be in the store by the end of the year!!
Dude: right..
VIP from Monkey Products Inc.: It will...
Dude: How much will it cost?
VIP from Monkey Products Inc.: Since Gizmo IV didn't sell very good, and we lost 25 Billion dollars during the last two years. We believe the Gizmo V is such a great product that everyone will want one.
Dude: I see were this is going. You sell crappy products and instead of trying to make good product. You lie to me time and time again and charge me through the nose for stuff that is only slightly faster then your previous products.
VIP from Monkey Products Inc.: Yeah but the new Gizmo V will be 50% faster then the Gizmo VI!! Where are you going to go? What are you going to use?
Dude: Rat Powered Products Inc. They have something better, for cheaper, and I can buy it today.
This cool thing is, new macs will be MacOS X which, as we all know, is UNIX. More MacOS X on the desktop and the next thing you'll see is the code being ported across the board of all UNIX OS. Then the gamers will get into it, and the buniess people and soon every one might be using UNIX. Of course this will only happens if two things extists:
No one but zealots and power users care what OS they use. Most people just want something that can do what they want to do, easy to use, and still have money leftover. $1000 bucks for an OS for a desktop will fly about a far as a sherman tank.
HUSH! Yes you are!
Pentium 4 system bus is 64 bit 100 MHz QDR, 100*4*64 = 25600 kbit/s
That's still slow as heck.
I can contest to this. At my last position I wasn't respected and was worked like a dog. My opions didn't matter. What I thought was best for the company was tossed aside. The poilicy I drafted wasn't followed. No one listened to me until they couldn't figure out the problem. I was a simple fix-it-for-us-when-we-need-you-anytime-during-the- day-yes-this-mean-24/7-network-monkey-gi mp-boy-and-keep-quite
/. until my eyeballs hurt.
When I started I was told this was a management level position. What BS. I was a support tech for the LAN. If they told me this was what they had in mind for me, I wouldn't have accepted the position. All they wanted me to do was build a stable, secure, LAN, and get the most out of me as they possiable could for the least amount of money then replace me with a bunch of cheap clueless interms to support what I built.
When I ask for a pay raise, they told me I would have to move closer, basicly so I would be thier gimp boy. I wanted to move out of my parents house anyways, I took the paid raise. Instead of just calling me in for IT crap, they started to call me to build these desks. I guess it's becuase I could build them twice as fast as anyone else there. They tricked me by call me up on a 3 o'clock pm on saturday saying that the network was down. It was becuase they loosed (unpluged) the damn uplink to the router.
They called me in a few more time to do wierd stuff on my weekend. Hello! I worked sixty five frigging hours for you assholes this week, can I have a day off?!
I got pissed and an turned my cell phone off one weekend. I decided to come in anyways, Sunday after the X files for about an hour to setup some computers. I walked into the door as soon as I did the VP and CEO jumped on my case about how I should get voice mail. I siad the flat out, I hate phones, and I hate voice mail even more. No way in hell jack. I'm a geek, email me.
They wanted to do some stupid demo with MicroSoft NetMeeting and email that they couldn't do becuase of a firewall. I told them, just use two laptops to do your little demo. They wouldn't listen to me. They piss farted around with netmeeting for hours trying to get it work with the ipchains firewall until I failly said "no, I'm not messing with this crapp any more. Use the damn laptops for your demo. I'm going to finsh the work which I came here to do and go home and sleep." I told them how to get on the other side of the firewall, and warned them they won't be able to access anything the way it's currently setup." Did they listen to me? hell no.
That night I went to sleep at 2 am. At 8 o'clock my cell phone rang. I was pissed, I knew who it was and I knew what they were calling about. Five mintues later it rang again, this time I deciced to pick the phone up. Sure enough, the guy was still on the other side of the firewall complaining becuase he couldn't "see the network". After telling him just move the cable to the other socket and reboot a dozen times, I had to come in to do it for him.
At 9 o'clock I made it in. Other people were moving machines around and a NT machine decided to become the PDC, and my samba server didn't have enough to power kick it off. SMB was down for an hour waiting for all the NT crap to time out. The guy blamed me for it. He also blamed me for having to buy a hub. I waa thinking to myself "WTF, there's 1,2,3,4 FIVE! RJ-45 connectors in the room, and there's a hub sitting in my office in plain sight." I got yelled at, treated to be fired, and told [a new guy they just hired] could do my job, he knows Linux. The kid only delt with two network applices machines running linux (he told me "it was a mess") using nothing but web interfaces for three months. He didn't know jack about Linux or networking for that matters. When I was talking to him asking basic questions or explaining the network setup, he gave nothing but stuned blank stares. What really got me was a few people in the office wondered how I could do everything in the office by myself. I just told them, I just that damn good.
I was pissed. About everything. I can't belive I was having my job treated. I never worked so hard in my life for a company just to be pissed on like this. If they just listen to me, none of the BS would have happend. Once I fixed all of their fuck ups, I took the rest of the day off and read
Two days later, I left that hell hole. Two weeks after that, they hired two "Sr. Network Monkeys", a "Lead Network Monkey" (SysAdmin), and a "Techincal Support Monkey Team" for the 200 servers. God knows how many people just to do what I was doing!!! I think the total is like 10 or 12. Most of them are interms with no knowleadge getting crap pay, if they even get paid. Of course they double thier staff, but shit! The "Lead Network Monkey", my friend, and my self could rule over thier network like Nazi leaders using Debian and OpenBSD.
A month later I found my current positon. I'm making 60k a year, less work, less stress, able to hire people when I feel I need help (none of this, "I need help, please hire someone" oh no! All I have to do is say "I need help, hire this guy"), working with good people (no assholes here!), in a cool building (where I can smoke anywhere I damn well please outside), working my own hours, never called in to do wierd stuff, complete control of the network, able to choose what OS I want to use, order my own supplies, get true respect from my peers, and they pay for health ins! My boss isn't just a manager but a friend that understand the IT field and where's it headed. He understand the stress IT people go through. I love my job.
RIGHT ON!! I may be losing hair and sleep, but damn is that pay check nice. The best part about these "high stress techno jobs" is you can go to a bar (get into a fight if your an animal) in your work cloths, try that working at McDonald!!!
lol! I should know, I slavied away at that hell hole for 10 hours at time, for that PHAT $4.25 an hour. Nothing better then spend 10 hours smelling like shit, tossing patties, slipping and sliding on da floor, spitting in people food, spilling "the waste product" all over yourself, making 600 big macs in one night while your friends are having fun, then missing halloween 'cuase gotz to work 'cuase else is working and you're promised dinner which the bitch tried to make you pay for so you steal a whole case of nuggets and fires but this doesn't counter react hearing your friends talk about that night for the rest of your frigging life, and burning da hands so many damn time you lose the feeling of heat, BUT what joy is to remember that was your best damn job in the world of all shit jobs.
Oh yeah, gotta love them shirts and pants, dare you where blue jeans, you would spend weeks short shafted running the grill by ya own damn self. Of course you're to stupid to quit so you live with it until you piss in the freeze by mistake and fail to come the next day after you founding yourself high as hell in your 1980 pontic green lemon with your head in a haft eating hamburger from god knows then after moving your stoned ass inside, having the wierdest experince in your life with some girl on the telephone cause you praticed wicca who now now you can't get out of your head and having you parent yell and screem at you becuase how are you going to pay for the P90 that you bought for 4 grand and learned UNIX on which gave you your job today, but I be damn, IF WORKING AT McDonald DOESN'T MOVATE YOU, NOTHING WILL!!
Every one should work at mcdonalds for at least 6 months to know what a shitty job really means!! Maybe less people would bitch, naw, we would just have more teenage smelling like shit, pissing in our food and being beyond atomic at what ever made them get a job in the first place! Damn goverment.
But heck, if you ever get tried of your geekdom job, McDonald will allways hire you, even if you stole, pissed in the food, and still smell like shit.
Did someone say McDonald? I got a 9. I didn't think anyone said anything. We're going to Taco Hell.
Bullshit.
I'll pay my dime when the artist has done something to warrent it. If I like the band, I'll go to thier show. If I like them enough, I might even tip them, I'll give them my five bucks, no problem. However, I refuse so help me god to give a 14 bucks to some haft ass, one hit wonder, to buy their cd, for one stupid song that in two years I'm going to hate and place the cd in the "sucky pile".
I'm insulted by "FREE ART is crappy art", that total bs. Some of the best stuff in the world has been done becuase of doing Art for what it is NOT THE CASH TO BE GAINED BY THE ART!!
You think when what his face was crafting David he was thinking: "I could make a mint off of this". Or what about Mozart? Do you really think he was thinking, "hell, if I created a great piece of musical work I could up the price on the guests, and increase my profit by 20% and buy that fancy boat I saw down by the oceanside" when he was writing Missa?
The people that think they can make money from "Art" are corprate assholes, greedy bastard, and pissed poored artists looking in the wrong area to put food on the table. Example:
back street boys
britney spears
How about cool bands that are for MP3's? Name a few, go a head and do a search. Artist make thier money from selling WORKS they PRODUCED.
Another thing that completely pisses me off is, don't sell out your art. Don't make art just to sell it. I can't really feel sorry for people who put all their pennies in one jar and bet all or nothing on thier music/art. If the artist can't put food on the table, to bad, most likly they suck. Yeah, I know many designers, these guys could be consider artists. Some of them do really good work. I have also seen "designers" that have no talent, spent 100k on art school, having a hard time trying to put food on the table. Should I say, even through you suck, here's five bucks? It's no better, then the artist saying "here's this great painting I made, you can have it for free".
For music, it's another story. For music, the artist want as many people to hear it, download thier music, and come to their shows. Let's say someone is "well off" at 100k a year. At a buck, only 100k people need to donate to them. At 2, only 50k. At 5 bucks, a fair cost of a show, they only need to reach 20k people. If you can't reach out to get 30,000 people to come to your show in the course of a year, sorry, the artist suck. If a buck a person, it's 30k. Just enough to put food on the table (not much else however).
Do art for the loving of creating Art, not for the cash flow that it could be. If you are good enough, no matter what it is, you will get your rewards.
fuckit, end rant
With the laws that govern the world we livin it can't. Here's how:
music | some priacy proof device | speaker > air > ear ok..
music | some priacy proof device | speaker > air > mic even better..
music | some priacy proof device | speaker > wire > input device | mp3 coder (lame) > newsong.mp3 && echo "here's that new mp3" | mutt -s newsong.mp3 -a newsong.mp3 friend@marnuke.net mucho mejor amigo!!!
It could be they don't know how to count, or they use another scale:
1 2 4 7
0 1 2 3