wow, so it not just a game platform to you, it's like a political statement? okay then.
as for me, i shall exploit any operating system that serves my needs and not visa versa.
besides it's nice to have a game machine with emipire earth or something on pause while i am working on a proper OS, makes for nice gurilla game/slacking-off breaks. though if WineX hold up it's end, what a perfect NotebookOS.
I use windows to boot my windows games. thats pretty much it. Why would i want to run gnome on a windows box? Other then having to do some cross-platform testing and tweaking, Arcanum and Empire Earth, that is why i have a high-end windows game system, if that stuff came out on the Mac (yes i know, or Linux) at the same time, I wouldn't even need it to be high end.
someone mentioned earlier, if you work for a company that insists you run a Windows OS, then they are sure as shit not going to be pleased with you installing cygwin-gnome. I mean really, i laud the efforts of cyg, god bless those guys. But really now. why should i bother to jack gnome onto windows when i have five *nix boxes all around me that can do it better?
i went through this with OS10.1 on the Mac. Loved interleaving X-Darwin and OSX and running gimp next to photoshop... but once i stopped showing off to friends i had to ask myself this question, "what exactly is this doing to make me more productive or happy?" Yes i realize the difference is that OSX is far more natively *nix friendly since well, it's pretty much FreeBSD, which is why i stopped messing with XFree-Darwin and can launch gimp from a nice terminal shortcut. But my desire to do the same on a 2K box is well... non-existant.
Linux/FreeBSD is my preferred work environment, Macintosh is my preferred design/client support environment... Windows 2000 Professional is one hell of a robust game launcher.
If Halo and Metropol, etc.. etc.. are ported to PC in a timely fashion then I will have vindicated myself by preordering the Game Cube instead of the X-Box. It will sit nicely next to the PS2 and the Dreamcast (which also does not run linux since... well... i have linux boxes). If i am in error, well Microsoft says it's goal is to drive the price of the X-Box down to about $100US, so if I pick one up in a couple of months for twice that, i will have still saved about 55% off what i see it going for now.
I do not see the great functionality replacing my microwave's interface with a ba$h prompt. i don't want to logon to my car audio system.
once again outed on my lack of gangsta rap inner knowledge. damn me. damn my interminable lack of wanting to read american-journalesque articals on gangsta rappers. i am a bad member of pop culture. i hang my head in shame.
hey are the back street boys 2 men still hot hot hot???!!!???
please link me to a juicy artical on them!(!!)
perhaps, or then again, games, multimedia and graphics apps... you can get a look at the packages if you interested. but yeah, lots of dev stuff and proticals that are more archane then usefull.
then again SuSE does start you with everything switched off and requires you to flip them on. yeah, there is the obligitory firewall app, but they have made it a bit more comprehensive then red hat's and mandrakes (i.e: "what level of security do you desire, small, medium or large")
actually quite a bit of it is also window managers and GUIs, very slick the lot of them and though i am not completely sure they are all there. every last rat bastard one of them.though i did dig how easy it was getting KDE 2.2.2 off the SuSE website and gnome looks as good as Ximian's, though i have not found a way to jack the latest release of Evolution (99.whatever) into 7.3.
though as far as OS's go, they still haven't reached the stage where "Remote Assistance" is a prebundled "feature"... so thanks MS.
I've been using yellow dog 2.1 for a couple of weeks now on a beige G3... it's nice, and at the least it runs much faster then OS 10.1 did after i jacked it in.
But I am loving SuSE 7.3 for Intel. it's tight, polished and stable as a mountain. everything works (except the usb wheelmouse thing, which i am sure i can fix when i get around to it) and more importantly, it lets me get work done. If i want to futz and play I'll load into Progeny Debian or Woody.
So anyway, my point is: if you want to use your OS for work and not Work on your OS I'd fly with SuSE and personally i can't wait to pick up a copy and slap it on my Macs, all of them actually.
one more point, if you are insane and install everything it's like 5.4 gigs of data, SuSE 7.3 includes a bootable DVD-ROM and man, that just freaking rocks as well... is there also going to be one for the PPC version?
I agree, i love Omniweb's use of quartz anti-alaised fonts as well, reading text heavy web content is a delight with omniweb, what i don't like about omniweb is how it chokes sometimes on flash vectors or animations. also, the latest build seems far less stable then the previous one.
it's easily my preffered OSX browser though. but i do still have to launch IE every so often and that breaks my heart.
Opera is cool but there is so much going on with that damn browser i always feel like i am walking through a Thai red-light district whenever i launch it.
Old Dirty Bastard broke a law [eonline.com] (in California, not NY) prohibiting convicted violent felons from wearing body armor. This is similar to other laws prohibiting "those people" (felons, not black people) from owning firearms and / or voting.
The good news is that ODB can afford to pay huge wall-sized body gaurds to legally wear kevlar and surround him.
The bad news is that isn't his style.
The worse news is that his style usually is to provoke humans into wanting to shoot at him
i was thinking of something that can be done with this that would be helpful. then i thought of this:
you are an admin and you have a bunch of NT servers, you rig up robotic arms and then use the powergloves at home to "three finger salute" restart all those shitty servers.
there, that is the only thing i would put an electric glove on for that didn't involve my woman.
i thank you for your attention.
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both, when i am in geek mode i prefer nothing but shell, when i have to administrate - gnome or fvwm or the others are usually just fine and cool etc.. etc...
but when i am in office/show off mode KDE rocks hardest, it is all there, it all works terrific and the gui is an amazing flow of Mac/Win/solaris/NeXT/SGI (all of which i am familier with so it's nice and familier and never really confusing). Star and K office rock hard enough for me really. I have the MS crap on my G4 and 2K boxes so i know the differences and i really don't ever feel underpowered on my Laptop running Mandrake 8.0.
Then when people look over my shoulder and see me working with/on KDE they are always impressed and suddenly the Linux questions come and i am an evangelist. It's better when they come to you for the gospel.
Ximian Gnome is pretty, and mostly stable and fast and so on. but i always feel like i am locked in a room when i use it. I do think that it is another great productivity/showoff Gui but it dosent have the charm and magic of KDE.
but hell that is what large hardrives are for, choice and impulsive morons like me.
Blah blah blah, DTP, CAD and IT since 1993 blah blah blah
Interesting you should mention that; recently I had decided discovered that I could no longer write in script correctly. It was as if the ability just fell out of my head. I utterly un-knew it.
Now I was taught cursive script by nuns, which were not gentle about teaching the elegance of script. So I was stunned and scared. I had to secretly, (lest anyone realize how ridiculous this looked) re-learn the subtleties of upper and lower case script writing by actually practicing worksheet style... very, very embarrassing...
In my most humble of opinions....
GM builds shitty cars. they suck. they break. they don't last.
GM is a cornerstone of the american car industry and perhaps even the american economy.
though i have never and will never own a GM. it remains consistant.
Give me names show me facts, dont just say the economy will tank, PROVE IT!! By the way it wont tank, it might slump for about 6 months then you will see a growth like nothing you could imagine make the dot-com run look like a depression.
nah that is too much work for me, and i am not even half as upset as you are, so do this, PROVE IT (!!) to me. show me all the projected growth in cool HTML charts... go on. i'll wait, and eat donuts.
nope, i will emotionalize it with grandma and the cat food. if you are a player and watch the markets you know what time it is. plenty of pensioners are on managed plans and would not know a stock ticker from subtitles to a polish art film. i am not worried about you mate, i am worried about her... well not really... worry is a large term here. more like concerned a bit.
why do you hate old people dude? hahaha just joking.
pal of mine, look... i hate them as much as you do. now do me a favor and talk to an economist... any of them. watch twenty minutes of CNBC, microsoft tanks and the tech industry goes south... it's sad, no perverse. really. but there will be a string of really bad christmases for geeks if that happened. that is the reality of it. i hate it to. alot. but theroetical pontificating will not change it. nope.
I'll be honest, i used to recklessly hate and loath microsoft to the point where i wanted blood, and lots and lots of it.
then i realized that there are a lot of retirees, mutual funds, credit unions, pensions etc... etc... that are vested into microsoft so heavily it is scary.
yes, perhaps they should know better, but all to often they really don't. and as bad as i hate Gates and Co. i don't want to hear about anyones grandmother eating Friskies because she took a brokers advice.
that's about the only reason i don't want to see redmond tanked. on every other strata. my vitrol is solid...
I don't think anyone (with the capacity for thought) thinks Microsoft should be desolved. The ripple effect on the economy and industry would be horrific. I think the major complaint is that it seems that Microsoft is rewarded for bad behavior more often then not. Microsoft needs to be taught to play well with others.
When we talk of monopolies we do not mean that the consumer has no other choice, which is absurd, but rather the consumer is in a position to be lied to and coerced. IBM might have invented FUD, but Microsoft has made an artform and a successful school of marketing based on it. And to make matters worse they direct it not on enterprise level businesses that should know better. But to John Q public, there should be no expectation that john Q should know better.
Some argue that it is just good business, that Microsoft has 85 percent of the Desktop market and should do everything in it's power to maintain it. But that is not the whole story. The same trite crowd that thinks that Microsoft has earned it's position in the market and thinks that it just "out-businessed" the competition would do well to inspect how Microsoft earned that 85%, how it crushed better technologies with it's FUD+Vaporware campaign of the early to middle nineties. And how the badly consumer was cheated.
As the Microsoft apologists argue that Microsoft brought computers to the masses, that windows 95 allowed the blue collar worker a powerful and intuitive OS on inexpensive harware. A counter argument could be made that the competition, if allowed to compete on a playing field that while not level, was fair by the rules of business as established in a post WWII America, would have brought to market more powerful, more intuitive and more accessible technologies.
The horror stories of Netscape and Apple and Stac electronics... etc. etc... are telling, but it is interesting how most companies have dropped the complaints to a large degree because Microsoft is now so monolithic that it is better (more lucritive and "safe") to just cut deals and work with them to bash ones head against them (Read: Apple)
Microsoft became this monolith by stealing, buying, intimidating and coercing. This is not opinion, this is public record and is in the testimony. The reality of Microsoft is that they are now a cornerstone to the technology industry and perhaps even the American economy. Which is sad only in somuch as they will never be forced to atone for the damage they did to innovation and inspiration that the shops they obliterated could have brought to market.
As i type this, there is a talking head on MSNBC, she is talking about airport security, she has just said, "Bill gates could probably come out with a system where a button is pressed and information is brought up on a screen...". Heh, Bill Gates has somehow marketed his name to be synonymous with applied software solutions... That is what the uneducated public thinks, when they think about computers and technology.
agreed completely, i say that basking in the not so warm glow of my new 18inch LCD hooked into my G4 tower running OS10.1 and i am loving the hell out of it.
Though i really do like KDE on linux and think it's got legs as well. it's funny how fast slashdot loves to slam apple and OSX and it's funnier still how infinitely more polished 10.1 is to gnome (ximian or otherwise, whether your running sawfish, enlightenment or whatever) or KDE. Sorry it is true, though, again, i really do like nautilus and KDE.
but again, what is what all this Microsoft bashing? what else am i going to play all my cool half-life mods on? dammit i have a $2500 X-Box and there is nothing wrong with that... though i would never try to get work done on it... oh my! hahahahaah,No...
could you imagine the bloat Microsoft would put into Office XP 2002?
it would come on 20 DVDs and Word itself would be a 22Gb install. the paperclip would be all nVidia 3-D rendered and exponentially more useless and annoying.
is there any real numbers on how many people were effected by this? i installed 2.0 (the Bad Apple) on the boot partition of a multi-partitioned disk and have not had any trouble at all.
i am not claiming it is a hoax, because it obviously is not. but on the other hand i don't think this was a rampant DOS4 like mess.
Hmmm i think you might have missed my point a bit, (though i didn't really make it clear)
I am running WinXPpro next to my OS10.1 tower next to a red hat box running ximian gnome next to my debian laptop running KDE...
i think the two linux boxes look as good and function as well as the mac and the XP GUIs...
actually the only GUI i find frustrating is the Windows box. as for no good reason my USB smart media readers and my Firewire tdk burner wont function on XP, but rock on all three other boxes.
hell i am running gnome on the OSX box, but only because i can, actuall the Apple box really is the geek champ here...
but my point is this: linux is not ugly, is not cobbled together, and running red hat is easier then installing AOL. (so i have been told) there is no reason that someone not brainwashed or spoiled lazy could not use the ximian gnome box every bit as well as the XP box... only you cant trade warez at college...
and watch as people start talking about Linux that would never have before.
Use that Microsoft tactic of sneaking the OS into peoples homes and hearts. Lets face it, most people still think Linux is an Ugly, cobbled together OS that is difficult to install and use. (if they really know what it is at all). I think it would be fun when they start seeing Handheld applications that are as stable as any Palm app but far more powerful and able.
Microsoft has made no new freinds with XP. Even sheep know when they are being lined up for slaughter and the backlash against it's "directed marketing" is starting to get mainstream press.
this would be a perfect time to show off slick Linux apps to the masses. make them love the little bastard and watch that spread the gospel to the desktops (perhaps). At least introduce modern Linux to them.
I, like a lot of us will probably just get an iPac and plop Linux on that. But your your dad spend $500 on a shiney new gadget and hack the OS? would his friends?
yep, I have three partitions (9, 10.1, and data) and installed mine friday night. supriseing lack of catastrophy.
Oh and even though i detest every proper noun that begins with a lowercase "i", iTunes2 really does kick quite a bit of ass.
you're just a touch insane. I too have been buying macintoshes since system 6 (by the way, i would love to hear your systems 2 through 5 user experiences...) .
yes, while system 9 is just so terrifically mature that it stuns you with it's depth. i also remember how much I thought that system 7 was an anathma to the Macintosh look a and feel and "useability".
I detested OSX and need my mac to make money with, so have I little time for flakey eye candy. But ever since I Installed OS 10.1 on my drive i have yet to boot into OS 9. Yes it is far less mature and has some goofy little idiosynchosies but it also runs all my DTP/WebDev OS 9 apps perfectly, but then i can also exploit 10's native apps to get grunt work (word proc, mp3 playing, browseing and proofing etc...) all multi-threaded and so on... every day i am amused to find a hidden little nuance to aqua, and i also get to run xdarwin interleaved with aqua so i can run BSD, classic and OSX apps flawlessly, simultainiously.
Also this: Quartz.... mmmm... beatiful display postcript (PDF, i know) love...
So i sympathize with you. and perhaps some lunitic will come up with a nice OS 9.2.1 theme and theme manager to run it over aqua for you. but I think apple is kicking big OS ass with 10.
OS 9 forever? my ass, how many times did you reboot today?
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wow, so it not just a game platform to you, it's like a political statement? okay then.
as for me, i shall exploit any operating system that serves my needs and not visa versa.
besides it's nice to have a game machine with emipire earth or something on pause while i am working on a proper OS, makes for nice gurilla game/slacking-off breaks. though if WineX hold up it's end, what a perfect NotebookOS.
I use windows to boot my windows games. thats pretty much it. Why would i want to run gnome on a windows box? Other then having to do some cross-platform testing and tweaking, Arcanum and Empire Earth, that is why i have a high-end windows game system, if that stuff came out on the Mac (yes i know, or Linux) at the same time, I wouldn't even need it to be high end.
someone mentioned earlier, if you work for a company that insists you run a Windows OS, then they are sure as shit not going to be pleased with you installing cygwin-gnome. I mean really, i laud the efforts of cyg, god bless those guys. But really now. why should i bother to jack gnome onto windows when i have five *nix boxes all around me that can do it better?
i went through this with OS10.1 on the Mac. Loved interleaving X-Darwin and OSX and running gimp next to photoshop... but once i stopped showing off to friends i had to ask myself this question, "what exactly is this doing to make me more productive or happy?" Yes i realize the difference is that OSX is far more natively *nix friendly since well, it's pretty much FreeBSD, which is why i stopped messing with XFree-Darwin and can launch gimp from a nice terminal shortcut. But my desire to do the same on a 2K box is well... non-existant.
Linux/FreeBSD is my preferred work environment, Macintosh is my preferred design/client support environment... Windows 2000 Professional is one hell of a robust game launcher.
If Halo and Metropol, etc.. etc.. are ported to PC in a timely fashion then I will have vindicated myself by preordering the Game Cube instead of the X-Box. It will sit nicely next to the PS2 and the Dreamcast (which also does not run linux since... well... i have linux boxes). If i am in error, well Microsoft says it's goal is to drive the price of the X-Box down to about $100US, so if I pick one up in a couple of months for twice that, i will have still saved about 55% off what i see it going for now.
I do not see the great functionality replacing my microwave's interface with a ba$h prompt. i don't want to logon to my car audio system.
once again outed on my lack of gangsta rap inner knowledge. damn me. damn my interminable lack of wanting to read american-journalesque articals on gangsta rappers. i am a bad member of pop culture. i hang my head in shame. hey are the back street boys 2 men still hot hot hot???!!!??? please link me to a juicy artical on them!(!!)
perhaps, or then again, games, multimedia and graphics apps... you can get a look at the packages if you interested. but yeah, lots of dev stuff and proticals that are more archane then usefull.
then again SuSE does start you with everything switched off and requires you to flip them on. yeah, there is the obligitory firewall app, but they have made it a bit more comprehensive then red hat's and mandrakes (i.e: "what level of security do you desire, small, medium or large")
actually quite a bit of it is also window managers and GUIs, very slick the lot of them and though i am not completely sure they are all there. every last rat bastard one of them.though i did dig how easy it was getting KDE 2.2.2 off the SuSE website and gnome looks as good as Ximian's, though i have not found a way to jack the latest release of Evolution (99.whatever) into 7.3.
though as far as OS's go, they still haven't reached the stage where "Remote Assistance" is a prebundled "feature"... so thanks MS.
I've been using yellow dog 2.1 for a couple of weeks now on a beige G3... it's nice, and at the least it runs much faster then OS 10.1 did after i jacked it in.
But I am loving SuSE 7.3 for Intel. it's tight, polished and stable as a mountain. everything works (except the usb wheelmouse thing, which i am sure i can fix when i get around to it) and more importantly, it lets me get work done. If i want to futz and play I'll load into Progeny Debian or Woody.
So anyway, my point is: if you want to use your OS for work and not Work on your OS I'd fly with SuSE and personally i can't wait to pick up a copy and slap it on my Macs, all of them actually.
one more point, if you are insane and install everything it's like 5.4 gigs of data, SuSE 7.3 includes a bootable DVD-ROM and man, that just freaking rocks as well... is there also going to be one for the PPC version?
I agree, i love Omniweb's use of quartz anti-alaised fonts as well, reading text heavy web content is a delight with omniweb, what i don't like about omniweb is how it chokes sometimes on flash vectors or animations. also, the latest build seems far less stable then the previous one.
it's easily my preffered OSX browser though. but i do still have to launch IE every so often and that breaks my heart.
Opera is cool but there is so much going on with that damn browser i always feel like i am walking through a Thai red-light district whenever i launch it.
Old Dirty Bastard broke a law [eonline.com] (in California, not NY) prohibiting convicted violent felons from wearing body armor. This is similar to other laws prohibiting "those people" (felons, not black people) from owning firearms and / or voting.
The good news is that ODB can afford to pay huge wall-sized body gaurds to legally wear kevlar and surround him.
The bad news is that isn't his style.
The worse news is that his style usually is to provoke humans into wanting to shoot at him
ha ha, that's funny. get a life.
heh, if i could run konqueror or galeon on my OSX or 2K/XP boxes i would never run/miss IE.
Instead of him getting a life, how about you get a clue and stop chokeing on whatever they ram down your throat.
i was thinking of something that can be done with this that would be helpful. then i thought of this:
you are an admin and you have a bunch of NT servers, you rig up robotic arms and then use the powergloves at home to "three finger salute" restart all those shitty servers.
there, that is the only thing i would put an electric glove on for that didn't involve my woman.
i thank you for your attention.
both, when i am in geek mode i prefer nothing but shell, when i have to administrate - gnome or fvwm or the others are usually just fine and cool etc.. etc...
but when i am in office/show off mode KDE rocks hardest, it is all there, it all works terrific and the gui is an amazing flow of Mac/Win/solaris/NeXT/SGI (all of which i am familier with so it's nice and familier and never really confusing). Star and K office rock hard enough for me really. I have the MS crap on my G4 and 2K boxes so i know the differences and i really don't ever feel underpowered on my Laptop running Mandrake 8.0.
Then when people look over my shoulder and see me working with/on KDE they are always impressed and suddenly the Linux questions come and i am an evangelist. It's better when they come to you for the gospel.
Ximian Gnome is pretty, and mostly stable and fast and so on. but i always feel like i am locked in a room when i use it. I do think that it is another great productivity/showoff Gui but it dosent have the charm and magic of KDE.
but hell that is what large hardrives are for, choice and impulsive morons like me.
congrats to KDE by the way.
Blah blah blah, DTP, CAD and IT since 1993 blah blah blah
Interesting you should mention that; recently I had decided discovered that I could no longer write in script correctly. It was as if the ability just fell out of my head. I utterly un-knew it.
Now I was taught cursive script by nuns, which were not gentle about teaching the elegance of script. So I was stunned and scared. I had to secretly, (lest anyone realize how ridiculous this looked) re-learn the subtleties of upper and lower case script writing by actually practicing worksheet style... very, very embarrassing...
In my most humble of opinions.... GM builds shitty cars. they suck. they break. they don't last. GM is a cornerstone of the american car industry and perhaps even the american economy. though i have never and will never own a GM. it remains consistant.
Give me names show me facts, dont just say the economy will tank, PROVE IT!! By the way it wont tank, it might slump for about 6 months then you will see a growth like nothing you could imagine make the dot-com run look like a depression.
nah that is too much work for me, and i am not even half as upset as you are, so do this, PROVE IT (!!) to me. show me all the projected growth in cool HTML charts... go on. i'll wait, and eat donuts.
nope, i will emotionalize it with grandma and the cat food. if you are a player and watch the markets you know what time it is. plenty of pensioners are on managed plans and would not know a stock ticker from subtitles to a polish art film. i am not worried about you mate, i am worried about her... well not really... worry is a large term here. more like concerned a bit.
why do you hate old people dude? hahaha just joking.
pal of mine, look... i hate them as much as you do. now do me a favor and talk to an economist... any of them. watch twenty minutes of CNBC, microsoft tanks and the tech industry goes south... it's sad, no perverse. really. but there will be a string of really bad christmases for geeks if that happened. that is the reality of it. i hate it to. alot. but theroetical pontificating will not change it. nope.
Linus and Alan had their wrists taped together and sort of danced/knife fought while eddy van halen played guitar in the background...
oh wait that was a michael jackson video... sorry... though still this might be as accurate as anything else...
I'll be honest, i used to recklessly hate and loath microsoft to the point where i wanted blood, and lots and lots of it.
then i realized that there are a lot of retirees, mutual funds, credit unions, pensions etc... etc... that are vested into microsoft so heavily it is scary.
yes, perhaps they should know better, but all to often they really don't. and as bad as i hate Gates and Co. i don't want to hear about anyones grandmother eating Friskies because she took a brokers advice.
that's about the only reason i don't want to see redmond tanked. on every other strata. my vitrol is solid...
I don't think anyone (with the capacity for thought) thinks Microsoft should be desolved. The ripple effect on the economy and industry would be horrific. I think the major complaint is that it seems that Microsoft is rewarded for bad behavior more often then not. Microsoft needs to be taught to play well with others.
When we talk of monopolies we do not mean that the consumer has no other choice, which is absurd, but rather the consumer is in a position to be lied to and coerced. IBM might have invented FUD, but Microsoft has made an artform and a successful school of marketing based on it. And to make matters worse they direct it not on enterprise level businesses that should know better. But to John Q public, there should be no expectation that john Q should know better.
Some argue that it is just good business, that Microsoft has 85 percent of the Desktop market and should do everything in it's power to maintain it. But that is not the whole story. The same trite crowd that thinks that Microsoft has earned it's position in the market and thinks that it just "out-businessed" the competition would do well to inspect how Microsoft earned that 85%, how it crushed better technologies with it's FUD+Vaporware campaign of the early to middle nineties. And how the badly consumer was cheated.
As the Microsoft apologists argue that Microsoft brought computers to the masses, that windows 95 allowed the blue collar worker a powerful and intuitive OS on inexpensive harware. A counter argument could be made that the competition, if allowed to compete on a playing field that while not level, was fair by the rules of business as established in a post WWII America, would have brought to market more powerful, more intuitive and more accessible technologies.
The horror stories of Netscape and Apple and Stac electronics... etc. etc... are telling, but it is interesting how most companies have dropped the complaints to a large degree because Microsoft is now so monolithic that it is better (more lucritive and "safe") to just cut deals and work with them to bash ones head against them (Read: Apple)
Microsoft became this monolith by stealing, buying, intimidating and coercing. This is not opinion, this is public record and is in the testimony. The reality of Microsoft is that they are now a cornerstone to the technology industry and perhaps even the American economy. Which is sad only in somuch as they will never be forced to atone for the damage they did to innovation and inspiration that the shops they obliterated could have brought to market.
As i type this, there is a talking head on MSNBC, she is talking about airport security, she has just said, "Bill gates could probably come out with a system where a button is pressed and information is brought up on a screen...". Heh, Bill Gates has somehow marketed his name to be synonymous with applied software solutions... That is what the uneducated public thinks, when they think about computers and technology.
agreed completely, i say that basking in the not so warm glow of my new 18inch LCD hooked into my G4 tower running OS10.1 and i am loving the hell out of it.
Though i really do like KDE on linux and think it's got legs as well. it's funny how fast slashdot loves to slam apple and OSX and it's funnier still how infinitely more polished 10.1 is to gnome (ximian or otherwise, whether your running sawfish, enlightenment or whatever) or KDE. Sorry it is true, though, again, i really do like nautilus and KDE.
but again, what is what all this Microsoft bashing? what else am i going to play all my cool half-life mods on? dammit i have a $2500 X-Box and there is nothing wrong with that... though i would never try to get work done on it... oh my! hahahahaah,No...
could you imagine the bloat Microsoft would put into Office XP 2002?
it would come on 20 DVDs and Word itself would be a 22Gb install. the paperclip would be all nVidia 3-D rendered and exponentially more useless and annoying.
is there any real numbers on how many people were effected by this? i installed 2.0 (the Bad Apple) on the boot partition of a multi-partitioned disk and have not had any trouble at all. i am not claiming it is a hoax, because it obviously is not. but on the other hand i don't think this was a rampant DOS4 like mess.
Hmmm i think you might have missed my point a bit, (though i didn't really make it clear) I am running WinXPpro next to my OS10.1 tower next to a red hat box running ximian gnome next to my debian laptop running KDE... i think the two linux boxes look as good and function as well as the mac and the XP GUIs... actually the only GUI i find frustrating is the Windows box. as for no good reason my USB smart media readers and my Firewire tdk burner wont function on XP, but rock on all three other boxes. hell i am running gnome on the OSX box, but only because i can, actuall the Apple box really is the geek champ here... but my point is this: linux is not ugly, is not cobbled together, and running red hat is easier then installing AOL. (so i have been told) there is no reason that someone not brainwashed or spoiled lazy could not use the ximian gnome box every bit as well as the XP box... only you cant trade warez at college...
and watch as people start talking about Linux that would never have before.
Use that Microsoft tactic of sneaking the OS into peoples homes and hearts. Lets face it, most people still think Linux is an Ugly, cobbled together OS that is difficult to install and use. (if they really know what it is at all). I think it would be fun when they start seeing Handheld applications that are as stable as any Palm app but far more powerful and able.
Microsoft has made no new freinds with XP. Even sheep know when they are being lined up for slaughter and the backlash against it's "directed marketing" is starting to get mainstream press.
this would be a perfect time to show off slick Linux apps to the masses. make them love the little bastard and watch that spread the gospel to the desktops (perhaps). At least introduce modern Linux to them.
I, like a lot of us will probably just get an iPac and plop Linux on that. But your your dad spend $500 on a shiney new gadget and hack the OS? would his friends?
yep, I have three partitions (9, 10.1, and data) and installed mine friday night. supriseing lack of catastrophy. Oh and even though i detest every proper noun that begins with a lowercase "i", iTunes2 really does kick quite a bit of ass.
you're just a touch insane. I too have been buying macintoshes since system 6 (by the way, i would love to hear your systems 2 through 5 user experiences...) .
yes, while system 9 is just so terrifically mature that it stuns you with it's depth. i also remember how much I thought that system 7 was an anathma to the Macintosh look a and feel and "useability".
I detested OSX and need my mac to make money with, so have I little time for flakey eye candy. But ever since I Installed OS 10.1 on my drive i have yet to boot into OS 9. Yes it is far less mature and has some goofy little idiosynchosies but it also runs all my DTP/WebDev OS 9 apps perfectly, but then i can also exploit 10's native apps to get grunt work (word proc, mp3 playing, browseing and proofing etc...) all multi-threaded and so on... every day i am amused to find a hidden little nuance to aqua, and i also get to run xdarwin interleaved with aqua so i can run BSD, classic and OSX apps flawlessly, simultainiously.
Also this: Quartz.... mmmm... beatiful display postcript (PDF, i know) love...
So i sympathize with you. and perhaps some lunitic will come up with a nice OS 9.2.1 theme and theme manager to run it over aqua for you. but I think apple is kicking big OS ass with 10.
OS 9 forever? my ass, how many times did you reboot today?