In what way is the NRA controlling the narrative? How exactly can they possibly influence an entire media industry and makes it's money on sensationalize this tragedy with the explicit aim of trying to take down their group by any means they can? You're giving the NRA way more power than it really has.
Yeah and how many federal agents died when they tried to storm that compound? How about how many children died when the feds set the building on fire with smoke grenades? And that was just one situation with a group of unprepared nut jobs. In the Brundy situation that had mobile groups of militiamen that were able to cover the feds from multiple angles. If they had started firing, the feds would have lost hard.
Ultimately this is the failure of this entire 'the government has nukes' argument. Yes, the government does have incredible destructive capability. But that doesn't mean they are immune from attack by a dedicated resistance. Especially if that theoretical resistance force has any professional military that are willing to help train said resistance to use captured military equipment. Anti gun assholes get all bent out of the shape about people getting a hold of AR-15 type rifles. What the hell do you think would happen if a resistance movement started hitting poorly secured national guard depots and running off with 40mm grenades, BGM-71 TOW missile launchers, mortars, and light armored vehicle?
Ok, tell me how you plan to use your plastic gun to take down the tyrannical government
You'd use a cheap 3D printed plastic gun as a stepping stepping stone to get better weapons. Kind of like the original 'liberator' made out of stamped sheet metal that the US made in droves during WW2. And as to your non-argument about standing up against a modern military... well I'll remind you how little success the US had in digging out any number of militias all over the middle east. And that's in a nation outside of the US, where you have the military that is willing to fight people that aren't native to the US. Combine that the idea of American military members having to shoot civilians resisting against a tyrannical government and you'll quickly see how hard it is to motivate people to shoot at other people in your own communities. Did you forget about the Brundy Stand off situation a few years ago? By your logic the feds should have been able to roll over over those militiamen, but the feds ended up just standing down and tried to fight it in the court.
The vz 58 is a lot better choice if you're going to make your own AK-47 like rifle.. The 58 is milled while most AK variants are made of stamped sheet metal. Stamped is cheaper if you're making a lot of a gun. But if you're a hobbyist a milled design will be better since it has less start up cost. This is a part of the reason that one of the designs that DD released was the 58. I intend to build one if I can save up enough to get a good mill.
Yeah, I saw that. How ridiculous is it that the judge would rule against placing this files on a website, but you're fully allowed to email them or mail them in a physical form? That's some 'the internet is made of tubes' sort of logic.
I have a strong suspicion that this case is going to call apart if it gets to SCOTUS.
It's a good thing we have nearly constant shootings so we are never allowed to talk about guns.
I can't tell if you're trolling or just very stupid. The media loves talking about shootings and will flock to report on any event that isn't inconvenient for their greater narrative. Read: the vast majorly of shootings in the US, which usually involve violent criminal thugs shooting at other criminals.
There's no reason to feel sorry. America, has a nation, only exists because of free access to firearms and other weapons. We were a colony of what was arguably the most powerful nation on the globe at that time, after all. And the potential need to have another revolution was the very reason the founders of these United States legally enshrined the right to own a gun in our constitution. It's right up there with all the other essential freedoms, like the freedom of speech, assembly, and to not have the government just seize your propriety at any one time.
here is a definite liberating sense of freedom and peace to live in a society where the thought of needing to lethally protect myself never crosses my mind
Well that's an interesting point there and one that a lot of people from outside of the US don't really acknowledge. And that's the perception of crime and shootings in general. The corporate media will produce a constant stream of coverage of sensationalized death, unless it counters any narrative that's inconvenient for a media narrative. Then they'll bury it. Kind of like how it just came out that for the first time the number of murders in London has exceeded the number of murders in New York City.
Well all I can say to that is 'good luck'. I watch a fair amount of news coverage from a lot of English speaking nations, one thing I've seen is how damn authoritarian the British government is when it comes to people that try to defend themselves. Almost as if they take some sick pleasure in going after a citizen that stands up for themselves instead of doing the hard work of preventing the crimes that the original person was trying to defense themselves against.
And don't even get me started about that god damn Telford situation. If there was ever an argument for completely terminating and re-staffing an entire police force that would be it.
You know, aside from the abrasive, antisocial, combative, ignorant, rude, angry, dismissive, condescending things you wrote, there were also a few words. At great effort, I have located them and admit that deep in there you've got a point. It's a great point, much better than the One Handgun Per Child plan that seems be your vision for a safe country. That point seems to be: the American education system is broke
Well hey, I'll give at least a few of those. I very well am abrasive, antisocial, combative, rude, angry, dismissive, and condescending. But ignorant, well far from that. Which is self explanatory given the fact that I have enough knowledge of the situation at hand to refute the bullshit arguments you're slinging. And as for you're 'one handgun per child' straw-man argument... well the fact that it's an obviously ridiculous non-argument there's no reason to try to refute it now does it?
One final I'll direct you towards that while ass-holes like yourself are very obsessed with American gun ownership you very rarely seem to look into how many non-firearms related homicides happen in the US per year. And non-firearms homicides are generally double the number of firearms homicides. Given that reality what in the hell makes you think that restricting the ownership of arms is going to be a net benefit to society? Disregardful any constitutional argument, do you honestly believe that you're going to protect the people with by making them weaker? Hell, what about the old and infirm people that you spoke of earlier in your post? Cant' say where you live, but given your statements earlier in your post it's not in the US. And in the US we have a saying: when seconds count the police are only minutes away. You can go on and on about society and education all you want. But it doesn't make violent assholes not be violent assholes. No matter how many gun laws or knife laws you try to push.
Hey, I didn't make the first post jackass. I merely responded to some leftist pile of shit that started screeching about guns before we even have solid reporting on what happened.
It it is never appropriate to became talking about regulation before you even know what the hell happened. Be it about fires or firearms.
Good point. It would be better to a respectful period of time
Says the leftist troll that he himself started out with a statement stranding on the still warm bodes of the victims. You are a perfect example of why I show abso-fucking-lutely zero respect for your kind. What in your diseased mind makes you think you deserve a respect when you started off with a generalized attack on an entire class of people? The answer is is that you don't deserve it, and you will never receive it.
But more to a more cogent point: well the problem with your non-argument is that there is no real problem, not in the way assholes like you think there is. Mass shootings like this are so statistical rare as to be a non-issue. Yeah, they're terrible, but so are shark bites, Ebola, and Islamic attacks. If you lump every single death where a gun is involved you'll get about 30K a year, and if you just look at homicides you're only going to about 10K. All of these are terrible but they're a drop in the bucket compared to the 2.5 million people that will die every year from all causes. And even more to the point while 30K people might die with guns the best data we have from the federal government itself shows that roughly 300K people will use a gun in self defense every damn year.
If you think I need to 'fix my shit' maybe you should educate yourself and learn about the reality of guns in America before you start beakin' off, lest you look like a retard in a public form.
The asshole that opened fire on that church had not succeed in killing everyone he could. He was still actively looking for more victims before he was shot by the other man with his own AR-15. If that wasn't the case than the original murder would have fled or just killed himself, as is often the case with that type of attack.
Armilite pattern rifles are fine, but I'd rather just make an AK pattern out of a shovel blade hammered flat and cut into a receiver. Throw on a parts kit and you've got a working rifle. http://militaryhumor.net/homem...
The irony isn't lost on me. But I'd also point out that the Liberator, the design the media has such a bug up it's ass about, was never intended as the end all, be all, of 3D printed firearms. It was mostly just a proof of concept. And in fact in the past few years Cody Wilson has focuses on the use of 3D printer for fabricating lower receivers of more conventional firearms designs.
Yup.. You can build your own AK-47 with not much more than hand tools, a hammer, vice, a drill and bits.
That's a bit of a stretch, but you're not far off from the truth. Most all metal firearms can be fabricated with fairly basic machine tools. A mill, a lathe, and perhaps an arch welder. All of which are relatively inexpensive. But they do require some significant skills to use those tools, but certainly not out of reach of anyone with the willingness to read up on basic machining.
First off I'll point out that one lawsuit like this by a trio of anti-2A activists has already been tossed. So I'm somewhat curious if this will be thrown out as well. http://thehill.com/regulation/...
But more towards my; this may end up being a really stupid move by the state's that are pushing them. Every state with a gun control law that steps outside of what has been passed on the Federal level have used the 10th amendment as a justification for additional arms prohibition. Right now the case for restricting the distribution of these files is quite weak as is. Specially given the text of this ruling, which specially laid out some of the rules of what could and could not be banned. I'm rather paraphrasing heavily, but unless it's something that's already specially banned than these files are not explicitly illegal. I.E. a fully automatic M16 would be illegal, but just the basic semi auto only AR-15 is not. But in resting their entire argument on the 10th amendment you've now set up a situation where a lose by the plaintiff could result in a legal precedent that could be used by persons seeking to challenge ANY state level gun restriction.
Ultimately I think this case will probably be tossed without comment. But if these states seek to push this all the way up to SCOTUS you could see a complete collapse of any state level gun control laws.
*yawn* And you just one more autistic retard with a raging case of Trump derangement syndrome. You just cant accept that President Trump was able to pull of an upset victory against one of the worst candidates the DNC has pushed in recent history. So you run around screeching about your desire to lynch people in the comments section of/.
I could not give less than a single fuck if the Russians actually were fucking around in our elections, let alone the opinions of ANY fraction of America. Because, sadly, most of America is too fucking stupid to realize just how the MSM is institutionally lying about every single thing that happens in the world anymore. INCLUDING this mystical Russian influence. Which, by all accounts, consistent of assholes like you shit posting online to get everyone pissed off.
And I'll be honest, I'd rather have a THREE term president Trump that's friendly to the Russians than a single fucking NANOSECOND of a Hillary Clinton presidency. Because not only is that bitch a complete fucking sociopath, she's been involved in some of the worst national security and internal policy decisions that we've seen in decades. Do you even have a single fucking clue about how many tens of THOUSANDS of people DIED during her term as SOS?
If most of the back end of this system is going to be loaded in the cloud... then why the fuck even bother having a console at all?? Just turn X-box live into a new Steam and be done with it.
I really wanted ST:D to be good, I really did. But when the actors and producers started shitting on the fans on social media I could tell that there was going to be problems. And when the show finally did drop what we ended up with was a very pretty show with nice special affects, but with the writing that's more on par with garbage tear fan fiction.
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In what way is the NRA controlling the narrative? How exactly can they possibly influence an entire media industry and makes it's money on sensationalize this tragedy with the explicit aim of trying to take down their group by any means they can? You're giving the NRA way more power than it really has.
They didn't want to, because Waco
Yeah and how many federal agents died when they tried to storm that compound? How about how many children died when the feds set the building on fire with smoke grenades? And that was just one situation with a group of unprepared nut jobs. In the Brundy situation that had mobile groups of militiamen that were able to cover the feds from multiple angles. If they had started firing, the feds would have lost hard.
Ultimately this is the failure of this entire 'the government has nukes' argument. Yes, the government does have incredible destructive capability. But that doesn't mean they are immune from attack by a dedicated resistance. Especially if that theoretical resistance force has any professional military that are willing to help train said resistance to use captured military equipment. Anti gun assholes get all bent out of the shape about people getting a hold of AR-15 type rifles. What the hell do you think would happen if a resistance movement started hitting poorly secured national guard depots and running off with 40mm grenades, BGM-71 TOW missile launchers, mortars, and light armored vehicle?
Ok, tell me how you plan to use your plastic gun to take down the tyrannical government
You'd use a cheap 3D printed plastic gun as a stepping stepping stone to get better weapons. Kind of like the original 'liberator' made out of stamped sheet metal that the US made in droves during WW2. And as to your non-argument about standing up against a modern military... well I'll remind you how little success the US had in digging out any number of militias all over the middle east. And that's in a nation outside of the US, where you have the military that is willing to fight people that aren't native to the US. Combine that the idea of American military members having to shoot civilians resisting against a tyrannical government and you'll quickly see how hard it is to motivate people to shoot at other people in your own communities. Did you forget about the Brundy Stand off situation a few years ago? By your logic the feds should have been able to roll over over those militiamen, but the feds ended up just standing down and tried to fight it in the court.
The vz 58 is a lot better choice if you're going to make your own AK-47 like rifle.. The 58 is milled while most AK variants are made of stamped sheet metal. Stamped is cheaper if you're making a lot of a gun. But if you're a hobbyist a milled design will be better since it has less start up cost. This is a part of the reason that one of the designs that DD released was the 58. I intend to build one if I can save up enough to get a good mill.
Yeah, I saw that. How ridiculous is it that the judge would rule against placing this files on a website, but you're fully allowed to email them or mail them in a physical form? That's some 'the internet is made of tubes' sort of logic.
I have a strong suspicion that this case is going to call apart if it gets to SCOTUS.
It's a good thing we have nearly constant shootings so we are never allowed to talk about guns.
I can't tell if you're trolling or just very stupid. The media loves talking about shootings and will flock to report on any event that isn't inconvenient for their greater narrative. Read: the vast majorly of shootings in the US, which usually involve violent criminal thugs shooting at other criminals.
I do feel sorry that guns are your "normal".
There's no reason to feel sorry. America, has a nation, only exists because of free access to firearms and other weapons. We were a colony of what was arguably the most powerful nation on the globe at that time, after all. And the potential need to have another revolution was the very reason the founders of these United States legally enshrined the right to own a gun in our constitution. It's right up there with all the other essential freedoms, like the freedom of speech, assembly, and to not have the government just seize your propriety at any one time.
here is a definite liberating sense of freedom and peace to live in a society where the thought of needing to lethally protect myself never crosses my mind
Well that's an interesting point there and one that a lot of people from outside of the US don't really acknowledge. And that's the perception of crime and shootings in general. The corporate media will produce a constant stream of coverage of sensationalized death, unless it counters any narrative that's inconvenient for a media narrative. Then they'll bury it. Kind of like how it just came out that for the first time the number of murders in London has exceeded the number of murders in New York City.
Well all I can say to that is 'good luck'. I watch a fair amount of news coverage from a lot of English speaking nations, one thing I've seen is how damn authoritarian the British government is when it comes to people that try to defend themselves. Almost as if they take some sick pleasure in going after a citizen that stands up for themselves instead of doing the hard work of preventing the crimes that the original person was trying to defense themselves against.
And don't even get me started about that god damn Telford situation. If there was ever an argument for completely terminating and re-staffing an entire police force that would be it.
You know, aside from the abrasive, antisocial, combative, ignorant, rude, angry, dismissive, condescending things you wrote, there were also a few words. At great effort, I have located them and admit that deep in there you've got a point. It's a great point, much better than the One Handgun Per Child plan that seems be your vision for a safe country. That point seems to be: the American education system is broke
Well hey, I'll give at least a few of those. I very well am abrasive, antisocial, combative, rude, angry, dismissive, and condescending. But ignorant, well far from that. Which is self explanatory given the fact that I have enough knowledge of the situation at hand to refute the bullshit arguments you're slinging. And as for you're 'one handgun per child' straw-man argument... well the fact that it's an obviously ridiculous non-argument there's no reason to try to refute it now does it?
One final I'll direct you towards that while ass-holes like yourself are very obsessed with American gun ownership you very rarely seem to look into how many non-firearms related homicides happen in the US per year. And non-firearms homicides are generally double the number of firearms homicides. Given that reality what in the hell makes you think that restricting the ownership of arms is going to be a net benefit to society? Disregardful any constitutional argument, do you honestly believe that you're going to protect the people with by making them weaker? Hell, what about the old and infirm people that you spoke of earlier in your post? Cant' say where you live, but given your statements earlier in your post it's not in the US. And in the US we have a saying: when seconds count the police are only minutes away. You can go on and on about society and education all you want. But it doesn't make violent assholes not be violent assholes. No matter how many gun laws or knife laws you try to push.
Hey, I didn't make the first post jackass. I merely responded to some leftist pile of shit that started screeching about guns before we even have solid reporting on what happened.
It it is never appropriate to became talking about regulation before you even know what the hell happened. Be it about fires or firearms.
Oh? So the constitution has been revoked and all people with dissenting opinion have been locked up in FEMA camps? I didn't get that memo.
Ohh, you're playing the 'everyone I don't agree with is alt-right' card. You totally don't like like a ignorant ass at all.
Good point. It would be better to a respectful period of time
Says the leftist troll that he himself started out with a statement stranding on the still warm bodes of the victims. You are a perfect example of why I show abso-fucking-lutely zero respect for your kind. What in your diseased mind makes you think you deserve a respect when you started off with a generalized attack on an entire class of people? The answer is is that you don't deserve it, and you will never receive it.
But more to a more cogent point: well the problem with your non-argument is that there is no real problem, not in the way assholes like you think there is. Mass shootings like this are so statistical rare as to be a non-issue. Yeah, they're terrible, but so are shark bites, Ebola, and Islamic attacks. If you lump every single death where a gun is involved you'll get about 30K a year, and if you just look at homicides you're only going to about 10K. All of these are terrible but they're a drop in the bucket compared to the 2.5 million people that will die every year from all causes. And even more to the point while 30K people might die with guns the best data we have from the federal government itself shows that roughly 300K people will use a gun in self defense every damn year.
If you think I need to 'fix my shit' maybe you should educate yourself and learn about the reality of guns in America before you start beakin' off, lest you look like a retard in a public form.
Oh what a surprise, another left piece of shit shows on /. to stand on the still warm bodies of the victims of a mass shooting.
Wrong.
The asshole that opened fire on that church had not succeed in killing everyone he could. He was still actively looking for more victims before he was shot by the other man with his own AR-15. If that wasn't the case than the original murder would have fled or just killed himself, as is often the case with that type of attack.
Yeah I think I saw that upside of DS9. Some shell shocked Vulcan decided to off people using a rifle with a transporter built into it.
Armilite pattern rifles are fine, but I'd rather just make an AK pattern out of a shovel blade hammered flat and cut into a receiver. Throw on a parts kit and you've got a working rifle. http://militaryhumor.net/homem...
Rifle is fine!
The irony isn't lost on me. But I'd also point out that the Liberator, the design the media has such a bug up it's ass about, was never intended as the end all, be all, of 3D printed firearms. It was mostly just a proof of concept. And in fact in the past few years Cody Wilson has focuses on the use of 3D printer for fabricating lower receivers of more conventional firearms designs.
Yup.. You can build your own AK-47 with not much more than hand tools, a hammer, vice, a drill and bits.
That's a bit of a stretch, but you're not far off from the truth. Most all metal firearms can be fabricated with fairly basic machine tools. A mill, a lathe, and perhaps an arch welder. All of which are relatively inexpensive. But they do require some significant skills to use those tools, but certainly not out of reach of anyone with the willingness to read up on basic machining.
First off I'll point out that one lawsuit like this by a trio of anti-2A activists has already been tossed. So I'm somewhat curious if this will be thrown out as well. http://thehill.com/regulation/...
But more towards my; this may end up being a really stupid move by the state's that are pushing them. Every state with a gun control law that steps outside of what has been passed on the Federal level have used the 10th amendment as a justification for additional arms prohibition. Right now the case for restricting the distribution of these files is quite weak as is. Specially given the text of this ruling, which specially laid out some of the rules of what could and could not be banned. I'm rather paraphrasing heavily, but unless it's something that's already specially banned than these files are not explicitly illegal. I.E. a fully automatic M16 would be illegal, but just the basic semi auto only AR-15 is not. But in resting their entire argument on the 10th amendment you've now set up a situation where a lose by the plaintiff could result in a legal precedent that could be used by persons seeking to challenge ANY state level gun restriction.
Ultimately I think this case will probably be tossed without comment. But if these states seek to push this all the way up to SCOTUS you could see a complete collapse of any state level gun control laws.
*yawn* And you just one more autistic retard with a raging case of Trump derangement syndrome. You just cant accept that President Trump was able to pull of an upset victory against one of the worst candidates the DNC has pushed in recent history. So you run around screeching about your desire to lynch people in the comments section of /.
I could not give less than a single fuck if the Russians actually were fucking around in our elections, let alone the opinions of ANY fraction of America. Because, sadly, most of America is too fucking stupid to realize just how the MSM is institutionally lying about every single thing that happens in the world anymore. INCLUDING this mystical Russian influence. Which, by all accounts, consistent of assholes like you shit posting online to get everyone pissed off.
And I'll be honest, I'd rather have a THREE term president Trump that's friendly to the Russians than a single fucking NANOSECOND of a Hillary Clinton presidency. Because not only is that bitch a complete fucking sociopath, she's been involved in some of the worst national security and internal policy decisions that we've seen in decades. Do you even have a single fucking clue about how many tens of THOUSANDS of people DIED during her term as SOS?
Shut the FUCK UP troll. Or at least if you're going to troll, do a better job of it.
If most of the back end of this system is going to be loaded in the cloud... then why the fuck even bother having a console at all?? Just turn X-box live into a new Steam and be done with it.
I really wanted ST:D to be good, I really did. But when the actors and producers started shitting on the fans on social media I could tell that there was going to be problems. And when the show finally did drop what we ended up with was a very pretty show with nice special affects, but with the writing that's more on par with garbage tear fan fiction.