Startups are generally known for expecting ridiculously long hours, and then shafting employees when the company hits pay dirt. I don't know why you'd recommend him to go that route.
Yes, decent point. Long hours are common, true, and I generally have had the experience of startups turning into wind-downs, so no experience hitting pay dirt, BUT:
In a start-up you are less a cog and more integral to the success/failure of the company. The last start-up (sorry, "wind-down") I was a part of put me in the lead as the only in-house developer in the company. While the $ is maybe not as good, I found working with a smaller team to be much more gratifying than working as "corporate cog". That said, I'm working for a mid-sized company now, my bosses are decent, and it's OK.
So maybe better advice would be to simply find a decent company. Easier said than done, but there is a scale of crappiness in the corporate world, and asking around, it's possible to find reasonable places to work. Find your oasis.. (exercise left for the reader)
Wow, you must work for some real assholes. Basically, you are describing a level of cluelessness in management that I think is less common than you think. Because.. really?
"You assume that anyone gives a shit about the quality of education once you're trying to get a job, they care about WHERE you went"
Only if they are clueless.
They want their employees as stressed out as possible, because they think that's the way they'll be the most productive.
They are assholes and you really don't want to be working for them. Run!
Let's say you've got two resumes on your desk. One is from someone who had a 4.0 at Aggie U, the other is from someone with a 4.0 at Harvard. Guess which resume winds up in the bin with no further scrutiny? Hint: It's not the one from the Harvard grad.
Anyone with a 4.0 from anywhere deserves a phone screen at a minimum, assuming they have relevant experience. As others have noted, as you get more experience, what you have done professionally becomes far more important than where you spent your undergrad days. Where you did your grad degree(s) is given more weight, but even then, it's what you did with your time there.
You have apparently had bad experiences in corporateland. I would suggest a few years in startups maybe.
I was challenging Vader and was about to win the primary when, during a debate he did the forcey chokey thing on me. Fuck--I nearly died! So the rat bastard should not even be leading the party, let alone running for president!
I am a native american. My family came from Sicily, but I was born here, thus i am a native American. This land is as much mine as any Native American's
No it isn't! It belongs to the banks you insensitive clod! Now apologize to all of us Banko-Americans immediately.
distractions, like, oh, I don't know, KIDS IN THE BACK SEAT, yelling their fucking heads off?
You're doing it wrong. In my "Guide to Infinitely Good Parenting" section 3.6.7 states:
When the ambient noise level of progeny increases to DEFCON 3 level, employ the Black Sabbath Law of Music Crankage, whereby all irrelevant sound is masked.
Mod fascinating. Curious what your condition was, but of course that's your bidniss. So basically you went out and then the "next thing" was you were waking up?
Then prove it. Show one piece of holistic/homeopathic medicine which does the equivalent of real medicine.
So far, not one has been shown to do anything because it's all the placebo effect which has been demonstrated in numerous studies.
As is always said in these situations, find at least one scientifically rigorous study showing any alternative medicine works. Not what some charlatan like Kevin Trudeau says, not Montel Williams in an informercial, a true scientific study using standardized methods to show any effectiveness of alternative medicine.
Well, one thing alternative approaches don't tend to do is kill you outright, which is what a lot of "real medicine" does. So yeah, whatever..
> and the anti-vaxxers that won't accept any level of evidence.
OMG What year is it? People are still talking about Vaxes in 2014? When was the last one even rolled out? Shit, I almost took one home from a scrap heap... 14 years ago.
My god let VMS die already.
Firstly, it's Vaxen. I get misty just thinking of the old days.. and of course we had them running BSD, because BSD! It came from Berkeley == must be good!
Or how about Mary Schiavo? After all, she was spot-on when she stated that "even a small black hole would swallow the entire universe". Ugh. (I'll also fault CNN's Don Lemon for even entertaining the question of black holes in some way causing this...)
I can tolerate ignorance, mostly... what I can't tolerate is talking-head "experts" spouting off utter nonsense as if it was fact.
Well, maybe it's a very very tiny black hole? And wait, work with me here... the atoms used in the creation and/or destruction of the plane may at some time have been involved with a black hole. Wow, that was a workout. I may be on the way to journalism stardom..
How is shooting something from hundreds of feet away with a high powered rifle any kind of sport? And now drones? FFS , why not just nuke the whole fucking forest then Billy Bob Smalldick can claim he's killed everything and act the hero to all the toothless hags that inhabit the trailers in the area!
Because NASCAR is a sport. Therefore, by the transitive law of sportiness...
.. and it's a good thing they've debunked all that global warming nonsense! (Joking! No really, not trolling.. it's a joke dear moderators.)
OK, now back to marketing my new cold fusion products. You can make them in your kitchen actually. I made $2794 last month marketing them online! Damn, you all are a lousy audience.. don't forget to tip your server.
... started to make real money at Microsoft and then IBM decided to start getting software patents en masse and civility retreated to the borders of academic research . Now it appears that's gone also.
We're not better and we're not going to be the ones to usher in a new way of dealing with our fellow humans. What we know for sure now is that just like our most successful exemplars, Jobs and Gates, we're as exploitative, opportunistic amoral and dehumanizing as the next industry. And that's a little sad.
Well, to be fair, "we" (is there a "we"?) are not known for our people skills. I guess about the best I can hope for is that my immediate bosses shield me from most of the assholes. There are pockets of good within the morass of ass.
Plus, there are hot women here! (Pro tip: work in life sciences)
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Please note that online degrees, MOOC certs, University of Phoenix type schools, fall under no degree at all.
Lols. No, it's really nice for your parents to tape these to the refrigerator! For some IT jobs I imagine the un-degrees can be OK.
Startups are generally known for expecting ridiculously long hours, and then shafting employees when the company hits pay dirt. I don't know why you'd recommend him to go that route.
Yes, decent point. Long hours are common, true, and I generally have had the experience of startups turning into wind-downs, so no experience hitting pay dirt, BUT:
In a start-up you are less a cog and more integral to the success/failure of the company. The last start-up (sorry, "wind-down") I was a part of put me in the lead as the only in-house developer in the company. While the $ is maybe not as good, I found working with a smaller team to be much more gratifying than working as "corporate cog". That said, I'm working for a mid-sized company now, my bosses are decent, and it's OK.
So maybe better advice would be to simply find a decent company. Easier said than done, but there is a scale of crappiness in the corporate world, and asking around, it's possible to find reasonable places to work. Find your oasis.. (exercise left for the reader)
Only if they are clueless.
They are assholes and you really don't want to be working for them. Run!
Anyone with a 4.0 from anywhere deserves a phone screen at a minimum, assuming they have relevant experience. As others have noted, as you get more experience, what you have done professionally becomes far more important than where you spent your undergrad days. Where you did your grad degree(s) is given more weight, but even then, it's what you did with your time there.
You have apparently had bad experiences in corporateland. I would suggest a few years in startups maybe.
I was challenging Vader and was about to win the primary when, during a debate he did the forcey chokey thing on me. Fuck--I nearly died! So the rat bastard should not even be leading the party, let alone running for president!
I am a native american. My family came from Sicily, but I was born here, thus i am a native American. This land is as much mine as any Native American's
No it isn't! It belongs to the banks you insensitive clod! Now apologize to all of us Banko-Americans immediately.
distractions, like, oh, I don't know, KIDS IN THE BACK SEAT, yelling their fucking heads off?
You're doing it wrong. In my "Guide to Infinitely Good Parenting" section 3.6.7 states:
Don't question the BSLoMC. It's just the law.
I long for days of old when I could rock the KJU cut! .. in theory.
Your brain matter has the same consistency as a bowl of fruit jelly....
What flavor? Oh, sorry.. What flavour?
Free beer?
Mod fascinating. Curious what your condition was, but of course that's your bidniss. So basically you went out and then the "next thing" was you were waking up?
Also, bring donuts.
Dear Internets of Things,
You suck.
That is a feature, not a bug. Water for everyone!
After all, our bodies are mostly water, so all these whiners should just shut the hell up. (Because if they don't they may drown..)
.. is a spacesuit that doesn't drown the occupant in his/her condensation. Because drowning is not very stylish, or so I'm told.
;
That was difficult. Must be time for coffee..
Then prove it. Show one piece of holistic/homeopathic medicine which does the equivalent of real medicine.
So far, not one has been shown to do anything because it's all the placebo effect which has been demonstrated in numerous studies.
As is always said in these situations, find at least one scientifically rigorous study showing any alternative medicine works. Not what some charlatan like Kevin Trudeau says, not Montel Williams in an informercial, a true scientific study using standardized methods to show any effectiveness of alternative medicine.
Well, one thing alternative approaches don't tend to do is kill you outright, which is what a lot of "real medicine" does. So yeah, whatever..
> and the anti-vaxxers that won't accept any level of evidence.
OMG What year is it? People are still talking about Vaxes in 2014? When was the last one even rolled out? Shit, I almost took one home from a scrap heap... 14 years ago.
My god let VMS die already.
Firstly, it's Vaxen. I get misty just thinking of the old days.. and of course we had them running BSD, because BSD! It came from Berkeley == must be good!
Or how about Mary Schiavo? After all, she was spot-on when she stated that "even a small black hole would swallow the entire universe". Ugh. (I'll also fault CNN's Don Lemon for even entertaining the question of black holes in some way causing this...)
I can tolerate ignorance, mostly... what I can't tolerate is talking-head "experts" spouting off utter nonsense as if it was fact.
Well, maybe it's a very very tiny black hole? And wait, work with me here... the atoms used in the creation and/or destruction of the plane may at some time have been involved with a black hole. Wow, that was a workout. I may be on the way to journalism stardom..
She is, after all, the leading researcher in this effort.
How is shooting something from hundreds of feet away with a high powered rifle any kind of sport? And now drones? FFS , why not just nuke the whole fucking forest then Billy Bob Smalldick can claim he's killed everything and act the hero to all the toothless hags that inhabit the trailers in the area!
Because NASCAR is a sport. Therefore, by the transitive law of sportiness...
I wonder... maybe that's why you don't see a lot of ninja proctologists out there.
I don't know why there aren't more of them. Ninjas are very adept at working in dark places after all.
Or chupacabra?
Sure, but what a lousy bedside manner! Just sayin..
OK, now back to marketing my new cold fusion products. You can make them in your kitchen actually. I made $2794 last month marketing them online! Damn, you all are a lousy audience.. don't forget to tip your server.
Lols. Who is going to play him in the biopic?
... started to make real money at Microsoft and then IBM decided to start getting software patents en masse and civility retreated to the borders of academic research . Now it appears that's gone also.
We're not better and we're not going to be the ones to usher in a new way of dealing with our fellow humans. What we know for sure now is that just like our most successful exemplars, Jobs and Gates, we're as exploitative, opportunistic amoral and dehumanizing as the next industry. And that's a little sad.
Well, to be fair, "we" (is there a "we"?) are not known for our people skills. I guess about the best I can hope for is that my immediate bosses shield me from most of the assholes. There are pockets of good within the morass of ass. Plus, there are hot women here! (Pro tip: work in life sciences)