ah, that explains the perturbation. anyhoo, it's called kicking the can... not so much about legal protection as a creature operating via it's handbooks m.o. without regard for the bigger picture. and it happens.
a fair question, and unfortunately, at this stage of the game, with the govt anti-privacy/spying machinations as far developed as they are, aside from transparency coming to THOSE organizations, it will likely continue tainting the likes of apple, at the very least by virtue of explicity and implicit gag orders. perhaps given their public position, they could agitate for such transparency to come. perhaps not. i dont know.
dude. you've misinterpreted mucho. it sounds like you're having another conversation in your head. i'm sorry you seem a bit bent out of shape over all this and are getting yourself worked up.
i started to type a further reply, but i think what ive written so far is enough. if you dont grok, cest la vie. cheers
nice try bub.
i am advocating for using critical thought and not taking public statements at face value - regardless of the source...especially in situations where the source has demonstrated a propensity to mislead. by all mean, don't believe anything i'm saying - investigate for yourself. however, as i do not fit that category, your statements are more ad hominem attack than a thoughtful response.
pointless to do so? have you ever worked at a large public corporation with a legal dept? im guessing no.. this release went through many iterations internally to ensure technical veracity, but that could nonetheless appear to demonstrate transparency.
otherwise, why not just use plain-speak without gaping holes? im sure many people here could very easily craft a release that would suffice, but that would require them to say things that they cannot without lying.
p.s. find it fascinating that with the magnitude of lying, spying, and obfuscation already in the public domain, you would call anyone that questions 'official press releases' for equivocation 'paranoids'. i wonder what would need to be released for you to move the onus upon those releasing the info. and using that logic, unless the chinese now rollver, they are also 'paranoids'.
people like me is funny. you're right. they probably can't, because as Charliemopps says in 'um...' below, and CeasedCaring says in 'Dear Apple', they lie, and are forced to lie. my point is to illustrate how easily their carefully crafted words can be obfuscating, so that perhaps some people who would otherwise be comforted by nice sounding denials don't take a simple statement at face value and instead, decide intelligently if the fact pattern supports their statements. if you are of the mind to believe and remain unawares, then godspeed.
"As we have stated before, Apple has never worked with any government agency from any country to create a backdoor in any of our products or services."
could just as easily mean, 'we havent worked WITH govt agencies.. but when they told us to step aside and let their devs in to commandeer a subroutine, we turned a blind/black-box eye'
We have also never allowed access to our servers. And we never will. It’s something we feel very strongly about.
oh, they 'feel strongly' about it? how comforting. and how do they define 'allow'? notice they dont say govt/others never HAD or HAVE access, just that it's not 'allowed'.. mmmkay..
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you sound like you're genuinely distressed, and i can empathize. all i'll say is that after a point, you realize that the extent to which you've been lied to is extraordinary. once you can acknowledge that fact, you begin to see things a bit differently. part of growth. it hurts sometimes, but it's required.
offer 10k as prize.. get participants to sign proper IP release.. then with hack in hand (and legal ownership), offer it to Tesla for... one BILLION dollars!
a) well, in your belligerent haste, you apparently don't READ very clearly. i deliberately wrote 'when it *seemed*', suggesting, to an observant reader, the inherent and now acknowledged illusory nature of that perception. while government has always 'trampled rights', it's also always been to varying degrees, with a clear and marked acceleration in this country since the end of ww2 (cue eisenhower's MIC warning).
b) once things 'calm down' on the global scale? good luck waiting for that.
i remember when it seemed that if theconstitution was flagrantly violated, there would actually be consequences for the perpetrators and such actions would stop.. it must have been a dream
sorry you read it that way. not my intention at all it wasnt addressed 'at' girls in any way, and more importantly, it was meant as a joke addressed to all the current and former dorky teens (myself very much included) who yearned for a girlfriend amidst their social ineptitude.
p.s. i question what 'benefit' joining gaming is for anyone really, beyond entertainment value (isnt that the point?). not exactly curing cancer. but it is fun.
in that case, i apologize for chastising (albeit in a tongue in cheek manner) fins in any way. sounds like its (unsurprisingly) about old moneyed men making rules to perpetuate the status quo and their wallets. glad to see people are realizing so many of these old ideas are stale
yearning to emulate sexist/exclusive behavior with no fundamental reason (eg, a valid physiological rationale) other than wanting to 'be recognized' by other sexist/exclusive groups is not something i support.
im old now and happily married.. but if i was still a teenager, i would really appreciate anything that could be done to encourage more girls (preferably hot ones) to pick up gaming.. (so they could come over to my house and play). these regulations are cock-blocking our dorky-teen brethren!!
maybe its that some already ego-threatened gamers can't stomach the idea of being beaten by a GURL? jeez... man up
maybe it's a finnish inferiority complex..
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ah, that explains the perturbation. anyhoo, it's called kicking the can... not so much about legal protection as a creature operating via it's handbooks m.o. without regard for the bigger picture. and it happens.
a fair question, and unfortunately, at this stage of the game, with the govt anti-privacy/spying machinations as far developed as they are, aside from transparency coming to THOSE organizations, it will likely continue tainting the likes of apple, at the very least by virtue of explicity and implicit gag orders. perhaps given their public position, they could agitate for such transparency to come. perhaps not. i dont know.
dude. you've misinterpreted mucho. it sounds like you're having another conversation in your head. i'm sorry you seem a bit bent out of shape over all this and are getting yourself worked up.
i started to type a further reply, but i think what ive written so far is enough. if you dont grok, cest la vie. cheers
nice try bub. ..especially in situations where the source has demonstrated a propensity to mislead. by all mean, don't believe anything i'm saying - investigate for yourself. however, as i do not fit that category, your statements are more ad hominem attack than a thoughtful response.
i am advocating for using critical thought and not taking public statements at face value - regardless of the source.
pointless to do so? have you ever worked at a large public corporation with a legal dept? im guessing no.. this release went through many iterations internally to ensure technical veracity, but that could nonetheless appear to demonstrate transparency.
otherwise, why not just use plain-speak without gaping holes? im sure many people here could very easily craft a release that would suffice, but that would require them to say things that they cannot without lying.
p.s. find it fascinating that with the magnitude of lying, spying, and obfuscation already in the public domain, you would call anyone that questions 'official press releases' for equivocation 'paranoids'. i wonder what would need to be released for you to move the onus upon those releasing the info. and using that logic, unless the chinese now rollver, they are also 'paranoids'.
wish i had some mod points right now.. cracked me up.. thanks!
people like me is funny. you're right. they probably can't, because as Charliemopps says in 'um...' below, and CeasedCaring says in 'Dear Apple', they lie, and are forced to lie. my point is to illustrate how easily their carefully crafted words can be obfuscating, so that perhaps some people who would otherwise be comforted by nice sounding denials don't take a simple statement at face value and instead, decide intelligently if the fact pattern supports their statements. if you are of the mind to believe and remain unawares, then godspeed.
"As we have stated before, Apple has never worked with any government agency from any country to create a backdoor in any of our products or services."
could just as easily mean, 'we havent worked WITH govt agencies.. but when they told us to step aside and let their devs in to commandeer a subroutine, we turned a blind/black-box eye'
We have also never allowed access to our servers. And we never will. It’s something we feel very strongly about.
oh, they 'feel strongly' about it? how comforting. and how do they define 'allow'? notice they dont say govt/others never HAD or HAVE access, just that it's not 'allowed'.. mmmkay..
too much cleverness in lieu of feeling is an unfortunate situation.
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.. is the arctic the next greatest beach resort haven? it just might be!
... and finally, we re-introduce Blinky-san - the superfish everyone has known and loved.. leading the way in sushi dinners that leave you glowing with excitement!
i was afraid that privateers were running out of things to rape here on earth
you sound like you're genuinely distressed, and i can empathize. all i'll say is that after a point, you realize that the extent to which you've been lied to is extraordinary. once you can acknowledge that fact, you begin to see things a bit differently. part of growth. it hurts sometimes, but it's required.
offer 10k as prize.. get participants to sign proper IP release.. then with hack in hand (and legal ownership), offer it to Tesla for... one BILLION dollars!
a) well, in your belligerent haste, you apparently don't READ very clearly. i deliberately wrote 'when it *seemed*', suggesting, to an observant reader, the inherent and now acknowledged illusory nature of that perception. while government has always 'trampled rights', it's also always been to varying degrees, with a clear and marked acceleration in this country since the end of ww2 (cue eisenhower's MIC warning). b) once things 'calm down' on the global scale? good luck waiting for that.
very true - we dont need rule of law.. especially because... you know... tuhhrrists!!
i remember when it seemed that if theconstitution was flagrantly violated, there would actually be consequences for the perpetrators and such actions would stop.. it must have been a dream
sorry you read it that way. not my intention at all it wasnt addressed 'at' girls in any way, and more importantly, it was meant as a joke addressed to all the current and former dorky teens (myself very much included) who yearned for a girlfriend amidst their social ineptitude. p.s. i question what 'benefit' joining gaming is for anyone really, beyond entertainment value (isnt that the point?). not exactly curing cancer. but it is fun.
in that case, i apologize for chastising (albeit in a tongue in cheek manner) fins in any way. sounds like its (unsurprisingly) about old moneyed men making rules to perpetuate the status quo and their wallets. glad to see people are realizing so many of these old ideas are stale
yearning to emulate sexist/exclusive behavior with no fundamental reason (eg, a valid physiological rationale) other than wanting to 'be recognized' by other sexist/exclusive groups is not something i support.
im old now and happily married.. but if i was still a teenager, i would really appreciate anything that could be done to encourage more girls (preferably hot ones) to pick up gaming.. (so they could come over to my house and play). these regulations are cock-blocking our dorky-teen brethren!!
maybe its that some already ego-threatened gamers can't stomach the idea of being beaten by a GURL? jeez... man up maybe it's a finnish inferiority complex..
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theyre just taking their cue from the us. every bully needs a lapdog.
its not crazy at all. if your endgame is to instill fear and maintain control, it's perfectly logical.