Ignorance of the law is no excuse, unless you're the government. There are so many laws the government can't even keep track of them all, how are regular people supposed to?
Combine this with the permission of police to lie as a matter of course, and we have a system that is way too top heavy.
It is very much like leaving a ballot box unguarded and unlocked at a polling place, and then arresting the person who lifts up the lid and says "hey, someone left this unlocked!" Sure, he shouldn't have been checking, but he's not the one who dropped the ball and you don't arrest him for it.
I agree, somewhat. The analogy breaks down slightly because in the "physical world" you can sense that something may be open, such as a door, by looking at it and not necessarily walking through. Then the question is, is it illegal to try to open a locked door? Is it illegal to try to open a door that isn't yours but is easily accessible? (no barriers, no signage, etc)
However when it comes to networks, the only way to "see" a vulnerability is to actually use it and test if it works. Is that hacking? Should it be illegal?
So what you're saying is that nobody should ever try to discover vulnerabilities and report them?
What I'm getting at here is yes, in this instance, he went a little too far by using the credentials he found after the injection was done to login to other parts of their system, but if he had stopped after the initial injection worked, and then disclosed that vulnerability to the owners, is that technically still hacking? And if so, doesn't that create a rather terrible precedent?
I don't like the move to the "cloud" any more than you do, but what it will do is make the operating system irrelevant to major application developers so that the vast majority of the populace can get by with buying chromebooks. When this happens I think you'll see games finally shift to linux, as more people use it, and apps follow the gamers.
My future? It's the way the industry is going. Pretty soon you won't be able to buy copies of Adobe Creative Suite or Microsoft Office. The only option you'll have is a subscription service to cloud based versions.
Once that happens, it doesn't matter what OS you're using.
Forced "upgrades", removing features after the fact, spyware you can't disable.
Please Microsoft, keep pissing off users and administrators. Soon since everything will be "in the cloud" and all apps will be web based we won't have a reason to use your shitty OS anymore.
Except it isn't ambiguous when you're talking about the bus. "Universal Serial Bus bus" is just retarded, and I'm surprised you're trying to defend using it.
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Ignorance of the law is no excuse, unless you're the government. There are so many laws the government can't even keep track of them all, how are regular people supposed to?
Combine this with the permission of police to lie as a matter of course, and we have a system that is way too top heavy.
Technically, the people who paid the ticket agreed to do so, otherwise they could have went to court.
It is very much like leaving a ballot box unguarded and unlocked at a polling place, and then arresting the person who lifts up the lid and says "hey, someone left this unlocked!" Sure, he shouldn't have been checking, but he's not the one who dropped the ball and you don't arrest him for it.
I agree, somewhat. The analogy breaks down slightly because in the "physical world" you can sense that something may be open, such as a door, by looking at it and not necessarily walking through. Then the question is, is it illegal to try to open a locked door? Is it illegal to try to open a door that isn't yours but is easily accessible? (no barriers, no signage, etc)
However when it comes to networks, the only way to "see" a vulnerability is to actually use it and test if it works. Is that hacking? Should it be illegal?
So what you're saying is that nobody should ever try to discover vulnerabilities and report them?
What I'm getting at here is yes, in this instance, he went a little too far by using the credentials he found after the injection was done to login to other parts of their system, but if he had stopped after the initial injection worked, and then disclosed that vulnerability to the owners, is that technically still hacking? And if so, doesn't that create a rather terrible precedent?
How do you find a vulnerability without actually testing it?
A gamer would do everything he possibly could to have some form of wired internet at home.
I don't like the move to the "cloud" any more than you do, but what it will do is make the operating system irrelevant to major application developers so that the vast majority of the populace can get by with buying chromebooks. When this happens I think you'll see games finally shift to linux, as more people use it, and apps follow the gamers.
Nvidia seems to be doing it with Geforce Now, so it would seem all your points are moot.
It's actually not terrible. You can stream a game in HD with as little as 5mbit down and play with slightly noticeable latency with 25-40ms one way.
My future? It's the way the industry is going. Pretty soon you won't be able to buy copies of Adobe Creative Suite or Microsoft Office. The only option you'll have is a subscription service to cloud based versions.
Once that happens, it doesn't matter what OS you're using.
They already are, with Geforce Now.
Once we can get the businesses off of Windows, the home users will follow which means the games will follow too.
Forced "upgrades", removing features after the fact, spyware you can't disable.
Please Microsoft, keep pissing off users and administrators. Soon since everything will be "in the cloud" and all apps will be web based we won't have a reason to use your shitty OS anymore.
You're making a few assumptions here.
1. That people actually want to upgrade.
2. That people keep your machine on 24/7.
3. That people actually look at the (now hidden) systray icons.
Most people don't do any of these.
Does this fruit vendor not value his life? You are running out of time FRUIT VENDOR!!
And then a body transplant?
No idea where you said that, certainly wasn't in the post I replied to.
> but he can be compelled to provide the unencrypted contents in most jurisdictions.
This is not settled, in fact, the only US Federal court (11th Circuit) to rule on this type of matter held in Minesen Co. v. McHugh that compelled production of unencrypted files violates the fifth amendment. back in 2012.
Analogy falls flat - no one is downloading originals, by definition every download is a copy, of which it is literally no cost to make.
Word Lens already does this, and from the real time video your phones camera picks up.....
Pretty sure I don't have a "penerdantry", so, no, it isn't.
Except it isn't ambiguous when you're talking about the bus. "Universal Serial Bus bus" is just retarded, and I'm surprised you're trying to defend using it.
Is there a possibility that this new standard can get my PIN number to my ATM machine card from accessing the USB bus?
You post removed your moderation! HAH!
Jerks act like jerks. Who fucking knew?
No, but you're a fucking idiot if you don't expect it to happen.