i think the original poster was referring to someone who was acting in good faith, and did something to inadvertantly break the terms of service. for example unwittingly purchasing one of those card which someone had copied. in this case i personally think they would reconsider taking the money for the reasons i listed above.
for your case i dont doubt they would at least freeze his account, but i think wizzard's would be quite certain the person had malicious intent before doing something like that. the backlash associated with incorrectly accusing someone of cheating would not be good.
i have alot of stuff on cdr. when it looks like cdr's are no longer an option i plan on migrating my stuff over to the next best thing. what that thing might be, i dont know, but it'll be there. it might take a couple weeks worth of evenings, but if the data is worth it to you you'll do it.
the dll's you mentioned in wine have been reverse engineered. so the ones wine is using were developed by the wine people by studying the interaction between binaries and ms' dlls. at least this is my understanding.
GPL also says that UL cannot charge for the binary, but merely for the act of compiling it on the media. Similar arguments for the BSDed bits as well.
that's an interesting interpretation...
i believe the portion of the gpl you are commenting on refers to the sourcecode. indeed i believe ul can charge whatever they want for the binaries, but are required to supply the source to the gpl'ed software under the conditions you specified above.
1. You may copy and distribute verbatim copies of the Program's source code as you receive it, in any medium, provided that you conspicuously and appropriately publish on each copy an appropriate copyright notice and disclaimer of warranty; keep intact all the notices that refer to this License and to the absence of any warranty; and give any other recipients of the Program a copy of this License along with the Program.
You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee.
by adding their own programs to the distribution, they can charge whaever they want for the binary distro. when asked they must provide the source to the gpl'ed stuff. not that the source to the gpl'ed stuff would be any more useful than say downloading the srpm's from redhats site. without the extra stuff they (ul) _own_, the gpl'ed source and binaries derived from the source would not be that useful.
so sure you can purchase a cd from ul, and post the binaries derived from the gpl and the source to the internet. who cares? it's already on the internet. if you didnt want the extra stuff you should have just downloaded the source in the first place.
The reason Dell and Gateway and large manufacturers are so important have to do with the support contracts they offer, the shipping options, the warranties, the phone support, the willingness and ability to ship next-day in the event of component failure: In short, the security blanket that makes department managers at large companies feel comfortable purchasing those systems.
i worked for one of the ``white box'' places when i was an undergraduate as a technician. this was in 1994 and we simply called ourselves a computer store. we basically sold systems in two ways. we either assembeled them or sold parts. for the systems we assembeled ourselves we offered warranty and sold extra support. we also did phone support and next day shipping.
we also preformed a number of other services such as delivery and installation. i would accompany a salesman and setup computer labs for schools mainly. alot of these smaller shops have to do things like this as a means of attracting business. i would also speculate that because of competition in smaller markets you might get better service than if you goto one of these larger oems.
it was nice in a way. if you just wanted parts, you could take advantage of our bulk purchases. if you just wanted to be an end user we could accomodate that also. the job was a lot of fun also.
if you get the xbox and dont purchase any games you are costing microsoft money. if you can serve some of your own needs at the same time (dvd player, playing mame games, playing burned xbox games, etc.) then i would think people with distain for microsoft would be all for it.
So i think we played into Bill's hands. He is getting all the air time here. I am actually thinking about buying one and so are you.
yeah but if you dont buy any games for it then you will be hurting them. this is based on the assumption that they are loosing money on the console and expecting to make it back on the games.
if i purchased one it would be to play dvd's and the mame stuff since i have no interest in newer console games. while i might be in the minority with respect to console games, those who like the newer games might not be purchasing them either*. if you read about the mod chip you would see that it allows you to play copies of games.
so now i can buy this console+modchip for $270 and do everything with it someone without the mod chip can do and alot more. not to mention that with the mod chip i can play bootlegged cd's*.
is this a real threat? heck i dont know. what can microsoft do? i think online services to encourage people to purchase the software might work. similar to what id did with quake 3 arena.
im sure you can see how this _could_ work out bad for microsoft.
other than emulation features the modded xbox offers some other neat stuff: http://www.psreporter.com/xbox_mod_chip.ht ml
The Xbox Mod Chip of those people making the videos mentioned above is officially called Xtender . The Xtender Xbox mod chip works on ALL Xbox models from ALL regions and plays every Xbox game including originals, import originals and all backups. It is reported to work with any CD-RW media, any DVD-R media, any DVD-RW media. The Xtender Xbox mod-chip claims to be very easy to solder and requires only basic soldering skills. A special feature is the ability to run unsigned code, as well as patched or modified files, opening the door for amateur development of Xbox software. Latest news confirm that the Xtender mod chip disables DVD Macrovision.
since i dont participate in the modding of game consoles, i really dont know if the dream cast supports all of the above features. i think the ability to play dvd's, play new games (and copies of those games), as well as the other features would be well worth the extra $150.
given the hardware and the likelyhood of the xbox staying around, i think the extramoney is well spent because more mods are likely.
and it made me want to poke around a bit. eventually i found this: So what happens to the parts that failed testing? Some get thrown out, but many are re-tested and graded to lesser speeds and/or conditions (i.e. without guardbands). Others aren't even re-tested (even though they might not have gone through burn-in). Yes, these lower-grade modules will probably work today, but they're more prone to marginal performance and failures, especially over time. DRAM manufacturers often sell this memory to third party vendors who then re-label them with their own brand name. Third party vendors are often required to remove the original DRAM manufacturer's name from the chips. This memory is typically referred to as "generic memory."
i would imagine the xml file refers to a dtd at the top. i would also imagine they are using an open standard so you shouldnt have to reverse engineer it. are my assumptions here incorrect?
This new 27Gb format for standard-size disks (On rereading the article, I realize I was smoking crack talking about this trashing the DataPlay on capacity and on the distribution of programs on them) is, I think, going to be the new standard for archiving. i would have to agree with you on this one. i hadnt read that part yet either:). i think this would be quite ideal unless these are released when 2 tarabyte hardrives are the norm. i wish the slower optical storage methods could keep up with the size increases in drives.
why dont you use cheap ide drives and stick them in removable caddies? you can fit over 300 cd's on one of the big 160 gig drives. if you put them in a caddy you can unmount the drives and remove them for storage. i would imagine the cost for the harddrive solution would be comprable, and the retrieval and storage would be more conveniant.
you're right also. you'll hear bad hacker stories when referring to people breaking into microsoft computers. if the tide turns i predict you will hear linux is insecure stories. it's the price we pay for having a corporate controlled media. i've been reading a book about this very topic:
Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media
while i dont agree with all of chomskey's opionions, i do find little to disagree with so far in this book.
the book actually talks about think tanks funded by corporations used to lend credence to corporate opionions. a good example of this can be found in the recent paper released by the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution.
the paper seems to have disappeared, but i seem to have a copy here:
when talking about the positive things in arkansas i suppose you have to include some of the negative aspects (mcphersons class;)). send me an email letting me know what's going on.
it will get the module in question and any dependencies you might have. then it will compile and install them. it has similar facilities for searching and quering package information. what more does the pear installer do?
it's nice that php finally has such a beast. like i said things might have changed in the last year or so. a quick browse through the available packages at pear shows that they still have a long ways to go though.
this is worse because microsoft has what most would consider to be a significant pr machine that can deflect negative issues such as these. linux lacks this type of representation in the media. as a result the negative attention will have a much greater impact on linux than windows reguardless of how much each should be getting.
for those of you who dont know walmart is a company that spawned from arkansas. the same place who brought you bill clinton. while i'm sure many of you are enjoying yourselves making fun of the ``rednecks'', consider the following:
many of you shop there.
currently the waltons (son's and daughters of sam so to speak) have more money than gates and ellison combined.
all this was made by a redneck without a college education. hell i dont even think he had a highschool education.
it's nice to see that by getting educated and growing up in a civilized society you all (y'all if you like) have become tolerant understanding people forgoing prejudice towards your fellow human beings.
the nsa got it from scc right? unless the nsa stole the software then the terms and conditions of the gpl apply to the software the nsa recieved from scc. if the gpl applies to the software then the nsa has every right to distribute it. as mentioned in other comments: For example, if a patent license would not permit royalty-free redistribution of the Program by all those who receive copies directly or indirectly through you, then the only way you could satisfy both it and this License would be to refrain entirely from distribution of the Program
So if indeed there is some gpled and pantened stuff mixed together and the scc distributed it to the nsa, then the nsa is within their rights to do what ever they want with it.
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i think the original poster was referring to someone who was acting in good faith, and did something to inadvertantly break the terms of service. for example unwittingly purchasing one of those card which someone had copied. in this case i personally think they would reconsider taking the money for the reasons i listed above.
for your case i dont doubt they would at least freeze his account, but i think wizzard's would be quite certain the person had malicious intent before doing something like that. the backlash associated with incorrectly accusing someone of cheating would not be good.
i have alot of stuff on cdr. when it looks like cdr's are no longer an option i plan on migrating my stuff over to the next best thing. what that thing might be, i dont know, but it'll be there. it might take a couple weeks worth of evenings, but if the data is worth it to you you'll do it.
there is a good chance he/she/it will spend more money with them. this income would be lost if the screwed it out of the $10000.
people will hear about this and they will loose business.
class action lawsuits.
the dll's you mentioned in wine have been reverse engineered. so the ones wine is using were developed by the wine people by studying the interaction between binaries and ms' dlls. at least this is my understanding.
GPL also says that UL cannot charge for the binary, but merely for the act of compiling it on the media. Similar arguments for the BSDed bits as well.
that's an interesting interpretation...
i believe the portion of the gpl you are commenting on refers to the sourcecode. indeed i believe ul can charge whatever they want for the binaries, but are required to supply the source to the gpl'ed software under the conditions you specified above.
1. You may copy and distribute verbatim copies of the Program's
source code as you receive it, in any medium, provided that you
conspicuously and appropriately publish on each copy an appropriate
copyright notice and disclaimer of warranty; keep intact all the
notices that refer to this License and to the absence of any warranty;
and give any other recipients of the Program a copy of this License
along with the Program.
You may charge a fee for the physical act of transferring a copy, and
you may at your option offer warranty protection in exchange for a fee.
by adding their own programs to the distribution, they can charge whaever they want for the binary distro. when asked they must provide the source to the gpl'ed stuff. not that the source to the gpl'ed stuff would be any more useful than say downloading the srpm's from redhats site. without the extra stuff they (ul) _own_, the gpl'ed source and binaries derived from the source would not be that useful.
so sure you can purchase a cd from ul, and post the binaries derived from the gpl and the source to the internet. who cares? it's already on the internet. if you didnt want the extra stuff you should have just downloaded the source in the first place.
The reason Dell and Gateway and large manufacturers are so important have to do with the support contracts they offer, the shipping options, the warranties, the phone support, the willingness and ability to ship next-day in the event of component failure: In short, the security blanket that makes department managers at large companies feel comfortable purchasing those systems.
i worked for one of the ``white box'' places when i was an undergraduate as a technician. this was in 1994 and we simply called ourselves a computer store. we basically sold systems in two ways. we either assembeled them or sold parts. for the systems we assembeled ourselves we offered warranty and sold extra support. we also did phone support and next day shipping.
we also preformed a number of other services such as delivery and installation. i would accompany a salesman and setup computer labs for schools mainly. alot of these smaller shops have to do things like this as a means of attracting business. i would also speculate that because of competition in smaller markets you might get better service than if you goto one of these larger oems.
it was nice in a way. if you just wanted parts, you could take advantage of our bulk purchases. if you just wanted to be an end user we could accomodate that also. the job was a lot of fun also.
if you get the xbox and dont purchase any games you are costing microsoft money. if you can serve some of your own needs at the same time (dvd player, playing mame games, playing burned xbox games, etc.) then i would think people with distain for microsoft would be all for it.
So i think we played into Bill's hands. He is getting all the air time here. I am actually thinking about buying one and so are you.
yeah but if you dont buy any games for it then you will be hurting them. this is based on the assumption that they are loosing money on the console and expecting to make it back on the games.
if i purchased one it would be to play dvd's and the mame stuff since i have no interest in newer console games. while i might be in the minority with respect to console games, those who like the newer games might not be purchasing them either*. if you read about the mod chip you would see that it allows you to play copies of games.
so now i can buy this console+modchip for $270 and do everything with it someone without the mod chip can do and alot more. not to mention that with the mod chip i can play bootlegged cd's*.
is this a real threat? heck i dont know. what can microsoft do? i think online services to encourage people to purchase the software might work. similar to what id did with quake 3 arena.
im sure you can see how this _could_ work out bad for microsoft.
*A Xbox Mod Chip would not only make it possible to play Backups and Imports, but would also open a complete new era in videogame console development.
other than emulation features the modded xbox offers some other neat stuff:t ml
http://www.psreporter.com/xbox_mod_chip.h
The Xbox Mod Chip of those people making the videos mentioned above is officially called Xtender . The Xtender Xbox mod chip works on ALL Xbox models from ALL regions and plays every Xbox game including originals, import originals and all backups. It is reported to work with any CD-RW media, any DVD-R media, any DVD-RW media. The Xtender Xbox mod-chip claims to be very easy to solder and requires only basic soldering skills. A special feature is the ability to run unsigned code, as well as patched or modified files, opening the door for amateur development of Xbox software. Latest news confirm that the Xtender mod chip disables DVD Macrovision.
since i dont participate in the modding of game consoles, i really dont know if the dream cast supports all of the above features. i think the ability to play dvd's, play new games (and copies of those games), as well as the other features would be well worth the extra $150.
given the hardware and the likelyhood of the xbox staying around, i think the extramoney is well spent because more mods are likely.
and it made me want to poke around a bit. eventually i found this:
So what happens to the parts that failed testing? Some get thrown out, but many are re-tested and graded to lesser speeds and/or conditions (i.e. without guardbands). Others aren't even re-tested (even though they might not have gone through burn-in). Yes, these lower-grade modules will probably work today, but they're more prone to marginal performance and failures, especially over time. DRAM manufacturers often sell this memory to third party vendors who then re-label them with their own brand name. Third party vendors are often required to remove the original DRAM manufacturer's name from the chips. This memory is typically referred to as "generic memory."
i would imagine the xml file refers to a dtd at the top. i would also imagine they are using an open standard so you shouldnt have to reverse engineer it. are my assumptions here incorrect?
hey are you going to release the source to the cgi? it would be nice to get realistic information to populate their database with.
This new 27Gb format for standard-size disks (On rereading the article, I realize I was smoking crack talking about this trashing the DataPlay on capacity and on the distribution of programs on them) is, I think, going to be the new standard for archiving. :). i think this would be quite ideal unless these are released when 2 tarabyte hardrives are the norm. i wish the slower optical storage methods could keep up with the size increases in drives.
i would have to agree with you on this one. i hadnt read that part yet either
just read the article...
The group is pushing a new blue-laser format for standard-sized CDs, which will increase their capacity to 27GB.
why dont you use cheap ide drives and stick them in removable caddies? you can fit over 300 cd's on one of the big 160 gig drives. if you put them in a caddy you can unmount the drives and remove them for storage. i would imagine the cost for the harddrive solution would be comprable, and the retrieval and storage would be more conveniant.
just a thought.
but the domain leon.brooks.fdns.net doesnt appear to exsist. email me :)
original report
nope, but i grew up with a nuclear power plant down the road.
you're right also. you'll hear bad hacker stories when referring to people breaking into microsoft computers. if the tide turns i predict you will hear linux is insecure stories. it's the price we pay for having a corporate controlled media. i've been reading a book about this very topic:
r ce_whitepaper.pdf
Manufacturing Consent: The Political Economy of the Mass Media
while i dont agree with all of chomskey's opionions, i do find little to disagree with so far in this book.
the book actually talks about think tanks funded by corporations used to lend credence to corporate opionions. a good example of this can be found in the recent paper released by the Alexis de Tocqueville Institution.
the paper seems to have disappeared, but i seem to have a copy here:
http://sage.che.pitt.edu/~harrold/tmp/old_opensou
i was under the impression sam had a less than adiquate education. thanks for the correction.
hey marko.
;)). send me an email letting me know what's going on.
when talking about the positive things in arkansas i suppose you have to include some of the negative aspects (mcphersons class
actually if you install the cpan perl modules it has a wonderful installer.
for example to install the icecast perl module
you run
$cpan
cpan> install Net::Icecast
it will get the module in question and any dependencies you might have. then it will compile and install them. it has similar facilities for searching and quering package information. what more does the pear installer do?
it's nice that php finally has such a beast. like i said things might have changed in the last year or so. a quick browse through the available packages at pear shows that they still have a long ways to go though.
this is worse because microsoft has what most would consider to be a significant pr machine that can deflect negative issues such as these. linux lacks this type of representation in the media. as a result the negative attention will have a much greater impact on linux than windows reguardless of how much each should be getting.
for those of you who dont know walmart is a company that spawned from arkansas. the same place who brought you bill clinton. while i'm sure many of you are enjoying yourselves making fun of the ``rednecks'', consider the following:
many of you shop there.
currently the waltons (son's and daughters of sam so to speak) have more money than gates and ellison combined.
all this was made by a redneck without a college education. hell i dont even think he had a highschool education.
it's nice to see that by getting educated and growing up in a civilized society you all (y'all if you like) have become tolerant understanding people forgoing prejudice towards your fellow human beings.
the nsa got it from scc right? unless the nsa stole the software then the terms and conditions of the gpl apply to the software the nsa recieved from scc. if the gpl applies to the software then the nsa has every right to distribute it. as mentioned in other comments:
For example, if a patent license would not permit royalty-free redistribution of the Program by all those who receive copies directly or indirectly through you, then the only way you could satisfy both it and this License would be to refrain entirely from distribution of the Program
So if indeed there is some gpled and pantened stuff mixed together and the scc distributed it to the nsa, then the nsa is within their rights to do what ever they want with it.