This is slightly off topic, but it's something I've been curious about for a while.
> And likewise I am under no obligation to employ you as long as my reasons are not related to disability, religion, national origin, race, color, or sex.
Part of this is easily understandable. One has no control over one's national origin, race, color, or sex (trans- and michael jackson-type surgical procedures aside).... Because these are "coincidences" of birth, physical characteristics which the individual had no choice about and therefore it's utterly wrong to discriminate against someone for such things which they have no control over.
On the other hand, something like a robbery conviction _does_ reflect on the person in question, because they had control over their actions.
But why is religion included? Religion has no physical connecdtion to one's birth circumstances or DNA, and is simply a set of beliefs and activities one _chooses_ to accept or practice. And since adhering to these precepts IS a personal choice, why _can't_ we hold the individual responsible?
pretty much everyone here seems to be missing a seemingly obvious point:
- not everyone plays their games online/multi-player.
- said people may, nevertheless, see this as a neat-o thing which could be potentially useful in other areas, or at the very least fun to play with.
I see this being potentially useful for programming novices who are interested in figuring out more about the rendering support for their games. I can see it especially useful (if it works there) for, say, MS Flight Sim scenery and aircraft designers who don't have the availability of many rendering/debugging options in the actual program. And I'm sure there are many potential applications _outside_ of gaming all together.
Of course, I can't really be sure 'cause I haven't really thought too much about how it works:)
--craig, never played quake but loves a good flightsim
Maybe it's just because I've been out of high school too long, but I'm a bit shaky on the motivation for suspension here.
I pretty much have the impression of suspension as being a action taken in response to violent or disruptive students -- that is, they are interfering with the safety of other kids, or interrupting class, or in some other way directly mucking up the educational process -- so that they need to be exluded from the classroom for a time to ensure that other kids have the opportunity to learn. In fact, this seems to only way to align preventing someone from attending class with the mandate of the public schools to provide education to all.
I don't see that here. I don't see any activity taken by the student _in the classroom_, or which disrupted the classroom itself or other student's ability to learn.
(Then again, I also don't understand the use of fines as a punishment for speeding, because I don't see any direct practical connection between the driver's actions and his financial situation. Fines should be only appropriate for crimes involving MONEY, say, fraud.
The majority of the times I've needed to call tech support (once with Apple and once with Microsoft), I've had useful, friendly support, and I believe that both problems were resolved within 15-20 minutes.
What especially stood out to me was that both of my problems involved systems that the company in question wasn't specifically responsible for.
I called Apple when I was having problems (on a IBM-compatible) handling formatting of a Syquist (sp?) drive/disk for sharing files between a PC and a Macintosh (yes, I tried calling Syquist first). The representative seemed perfectly aware that this was a common problem, and had an instant solution and explanation.
With Microsoft, I found an incompatibility with MS Flight Simulator (I believe it was version 5) and a Pentium Overdrive chip I had upgraded too. Again, I called and explained my problem, and even though I had not sent in my registration card for the software, they sent me a free shrink-wrapped copy of the next version of FSim that came out which didn't have the problem.
Pretty much any other time I've needed help, I've found what I needed either on corporate web site searches or through DejaNews.
--craig
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>The really, really amusing part... Michael
>Crichton wrote WestWorld. Basically, Jurassic
>Park was a rip-off of his own work, cast with a
>new villain
The even more amusing part? He's done this before...
A while ago (not bothering to check the exact details right now), there was a text adventure w/limited graphics game I had written by Crichton called "Amazon" -- but the plot was almost exactly that of the the book "Congo", 'cept for the change in locale and character names.
I'd be _very_ hesitant to go for something like like this without having much more information and hearing some testing results. There seem to me to be too many variables:
- What if the phone rings, and I stop the tape and start it again? Does this set the counter at my "second" viewing? What if its just a long movie and I want to watch the rest later?
- What if I forget to stop the tape when the phone rings, and I need to rewind and watch that part again?
- Even though its supposedly reusable, I generally tend to give some thought to the quality of the blank tapes I'm buying. Considering it's already been (bulk-) recorded, and viewed twice, what type of quality could I get re-recording on the tape?
- Is something physical going to "happen" to the tape after a viewing? Could that "thing" leave some residue, dust, or otherwise degrade my VCR playback?
- What if I have a ton of these lying around them I'm just going to thow away. Are they reactivatable? Can I bring them back to the store and get a partial rebate -- like I can in some states for soda cans?
- I can just see this being pressed one-time in bulk and then going out of print once a movie is no longer popular. If these do catch on -- and rental stores change their stock or go out of business, or companies raise the price on "real" videos/dvds of movies due to less demand -- could it impact my ability to obtain older or less-popular movies?
I would _LOVE_ to see something to come along to break up the ETS monopoly and put them out of buisness.
I recently had to re-take the GREs (having had my previous scores expire and thus literally deleted from their database system). Despite paying them what I would consider to be a substantial amount of money to take the test, I feel that in all my dealings with them, in person and on the phone, I was talked down with, distrusted, and treated overall with virtually none of the respect which I feel is intrinsic to to dealings with one's _customer_ in a service industry.
Devaluating their product (and introducing the possibility of competitive services), I feel would be the best step in forcing them to reconsider their role and position in dealing with their assumed captive audience.
> There are limits to freedom.
>
> You can't scream fire in a crowded theatre.
Sure you can.
There's no problem screaming fire if, for instance (a) there is a fire, or (b) everybody knows that you're kidding.
Even in other circumstances, and even if you were arrested, you wouldn't be charged with of a _speech_-related crime, but rather something such as "creating a public disturbance". So the problem is basically caused by the _effect_ or _intent_ of your action, not the actual speech act itself -- you're allowed to say what ever you want, and you're only being punished because what you said happens to be inappropriate to the situation in that it potentially endangered those around you.
What if you screamed "FIREman?" in a crowded theater? It contains the same sounds. Or how about, to your friend, screaming "Can you buy me some FIREballs at the snack bar?"
> to ensure that all federal technologies do not
> treat those with disabilities unfairly.
I'm not sure about the exact wording of the law (nor am I a lawyer), but it seems that fair treatment could be provided relatively straightforwardly.
Rather than trying to gain control (and find some standardization) of all of your disparate existing web pages, what you should do is hire some professional "government web surfers" and provide a phone number (toll-free) where the disabled (primarily the blind, I would assume) can call and have someone look up the appropriate information on the government web site and read it to them.
Such an on-demand service I believe has precedents: as far as I am aware, most educational services for disabled students (such as the tape recording of a text-book or lectures) are performed on-demand when a situation comes up rather than in advance; it also seems similiar to the concept of 411 service as opposed to a physical phone book.
> Then there's the claim that they have the right to search anything and anyone... funny, that's not how I remember the Fourth Amendment!
Well, _they_ (the AIRLINE) actually do. They're a private company, and can specify certain requirements and obligations you must conform to if you want to partake of their services.
It's _government_ employees only who aren't allowed to search without a warrant and probable cause (despite Mr. Clinton's unconstitutional to increase gvt participation in airport security).
Don't ask me to explain why US Customs feel they have the right to do random searches. The only explanation I can think of is that they are simply set up to take advantage of non-US citizens entering the country who aren't aware of their rights.
>Demeaning? No, I wouldn't say so. To use an
>analogy, when I go into a store and by
>cigarettes or beer, I don't mind being carded. I
>know I am old enough and have proof of such. The
>same applies here. I don't mind taking an exam
>to prove my ability to perform the job function.
>I have seen too many people hired into jobs that
> aren't cabable of doing so.
I tend to come to different conclusions on this, using fairly similiar reasoning.
I DO mind being carded. I personally consider any age-based legal limitation completely arbitrary, and discriminatory. I feel that by enforcing this regulation, the shopkeeper is through his or her very actions supporting the notion that the it is the goverment's perogative to efforce rules that prevent me from making my own decision about potential health hazards. I also feel that being challenged for an ID is a personal affront to my own credibility, that despite having had a birthday party ever year for the past twenty-seven years, that I cannot be trusted to accurately represent my age and thus must provide corroborating evidence.
On the other hand, I find that qualifications for, or a test for, an interview or position perfectly acceptable. To do a specific job requires specific skills, and those your ability to perform those skills (unlike your age) IS directly related to your ability to perform the tasks. I am also entering into the interviewing-relationship willingly with a private company, rather than having such a challenge presented to me without choice due to a government regulation.
But didn't features like "undelete" and "undo/redo" get added to software because people wanted the possibility of taking back something they did by mistake?
Doesn't good user interface design specify that users will likely hit, for instance, the "delete key" by mistake, and thus that the option to undo this decision is a good thing for user satisifaction?
(As well as Microsoft's Chrome/Chrome-effects[1], and other similiar techonology.)
Looking across the room, I still have my VRML programming books on the shelf. And I still have archives on CD somewhere of the wonderful read-world models from Planet9 (Virtual Kyoto, Tokyo etc.)
But the major problem with acceptance of VRML and Chrome was, in my opinion -- bad timing, which most people seem to interpret as a lack of rendering speed.
Now, at the time I was thinking these things were really cool, I had the same video cards pretty much everyone else did -- a Voodoo, and then a Voodoo2. Certain of the games I liked required it.
VRML, and Chrome, were both originally caught on as HTML plugins, typically in their own frame or imbedded on the page. Texture maps couldn't be made big enough to get good full-screen quality, and there was a great interest in adding commentary about the 3-d worlds: Read about this "Venice" you can be visiting! Instructions on how to use the viewer! Comments from users! etc. etc.
Of course, most of the VRML words were designed simply enough that the hardware 3d most video cards of time used could handle it well. But--we had Voodoo cards! And voodoo couldn't do 3d in a window!
Therefore, we were forced to render our 3D in software instead of hardware. And for the 150-300 MHz Pentium/Pros of the time, this was a lot of work. And the popular viewers, because they were browser-plugins, didn't support a full-screen mode we could switch to for hardware rendering.
These days, will one-card 2D/3D solutions, I think that VRML (and even Chrome!) could work. But, if there weren't all these Glide games back them forcing us to buy 3DFX, it could have worked back then too. So I think we know who is really to blame:)
--craig
[1] Chrome was basically a scripting language and utilties for "3d-web pages", which included such capabilities as hovering web pages which could be brought forward or backward, animated vector 3d-graphics, etc. As far as I was aware, it was never released pased a beta SDK.
> It figures out where you are (based on your IP)
> and then gives you television from you area (if
> its got it) in the form of a an online VCR.
Of course, I can get the local stations just using an antenna and my TV or my All-In-Wonder tuner.
What would be REALLY good is to be able to watch TV from Japan/Mexico/wherever they have _interesting_ shows, and that I would LOVE to be able to stream over the internet.
Of course, I suppose that people in other countries feel the same way about wanting to see American TV, which is what caused the whole problem with iCraveTV (since it interferes with the licensing fees US stations charge to foreign stations to be able to pay their shows).
Limiting the business plan to something that fits within the current legal situtation results (i.e., check location and only allow access to local stations), doesn't give any added value to what we have already. So, unless they have some other interesting ideas waiting in the wings, I can't really see them being able to attract too much interest.
>If you are going to mod some up make sure you read it. And make sure it makes sense. The author of this post obiviously didn't read the orginal post very closely, as it plainly stated gigabit. Seriously, I am about to start reading at 3+ instead of 2+.
Well, actually the moderation on the article does say "Interesting", rather than "Accurate"...and you have to admit that things CAN be interesting regardless of whether or not they are true...
> But his lackeys had better check the content because although the title reads "dr dre - fuck you" (which is one of one of his actual titles) the content is really Kermit the Frog singing about the difficulties of being green. So I'm absolutely not violating his copyright, but unless he checks the content he'll falsely accuse me. What fun!
...although you are instead now guilty of violating Kermit the Frog's copyright...
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> Ronald Reagan should be President any day now.
Or, perhaps, Randy of the Redwoods.
Just change your threshold to "1", they'll be filtered out, and you'll be able to read the article fine.
> Neither actually expected to get the switches, but a week later, my friend got his switches, and his credit card was only charged a dime!
free shipping? huh!
> For those who don't speak Russian, the translation is "fuck fucK"
Man, Russian has funky capitalization
:)
...(and apparently, I type to fast, since the first time I tried to submit this, I was told it was too soon after hitting reply?)
ATM has to be the most conusing acronym.
It's "Adobe Type Mananager"!
No, it's a machine you get your money out of at the bank...!
No, it's a networking....
Names are generally only appropriate if they are unique.
I'm more curious about the other watch linked from that page...
"In a few days we will present a complete new type of watch. This watch will communicate with other similar watches and send virus to each other."
Just what we need, a watch virus.
This is slightly off topic, but it's something I've been curious about for a while.
> And likewise I am under no obligation to employ you as long as my reasons are not related to disability, religion, national origin, race, color, or sex.
Part of this is easily understandable. One has no control over one's national origin, race, color, or sex (trans- and michael jackson-type surgical procedures aside).... Because these are "coincidences" of birth, physical characteristics which the individual had no choice about and therefore it's utterly wrong to discriminate against someone for such things which they have no control over.
On the other hand, something like a robbery conviction _does_ reflect on the person in question, because they had control over their actions.
But why is religion included? Religion has no physical connecdtion to one's birth circumstances or DNA, and is simply a set of beliefs and activities one _chooses_ to accept or practice. And since adhering to these precepts IS a personal choice, why _can't_ we hold the individual responsible?
pretty much everyone here seems to be missing a seemingly obvious point:
:)
- not everyone plays their games online/multi-player.
- said people may, nevertheless, see this as a neat-o thing which could be potentially useful in other areas, or at the very least fun to play with.
I see this being potentially useful for programming novices who are interested in figuring out more about the rendering support for their games. I can see it especially useful (if it works there) for, say, MS Flight Sim scenery and aircraft designers who don't have the availability of many rendering/debugging options in the actual program. And I'm sure there are many potential applications _outside_ of gaming all together.
Of course, I can't really be sure 'cause I haven't really thought too much about how it works
--craig, never played quake but loves a good flightsim
Maybe it's just because I've been out of high school too long, but I'm a bit shaky on the motivation for suspension here.
I pretty much have the impression of suspension as being a action taken in response to violent or disruptive students -- that is, they are interfering with the safety of other kids, or interrupting class, or in some other way directly mucking up the educational process -- so that they need to be exluded from the classroom for a time to ensure that other kids have the opportunity to learn. In fact, this seems to only way to align preventing someone from attending class with the mandate of the public schools to provide education to all.
I don't see that here. I don't see any activity taken by the student _in the classroom_, or which disrupted the classroom itself or other student's ability to learn.
(Then again, I also don't understand the use of fines as a punishment for speeding, because I don't see any direct practical connection between the driver's actions and his financial situation. Fines should be only appropriate for crimes involving MONEY, say, fraud.
The majority of the times I've needed to call tech support (once with Apple and once with Microsoft), I've had useful, friendly support, and I believe that both problems were resolved within 15-20 minutes.
What especially stood out to me was that both of my problems involved systems that the company in question wasn't specifically responsible for.
I called Apple when I was having problems (on a IBM-compatible) handling formatting of a Syquist (sp?) drive/disk for sharing files between a PC and a Macintosh (yes, I tried calling Syquist first). The representative seemed perfectly aware that this was a common problem, and had an instant solution and explanation.
With Microsoft, I found an incompatibility with MS Flight Simulator (I believe it was version 5) and a Pentium Overdrive chip I had upgraded too. Again, I called and explained my problem, and even though I had not sent in my registration card for the software, they sent me a free shrink-wrapped copy of the next version of FSim that came out which didn't have the problem.
Pretty much any other time I've needed help, I've found what I needed either on corporate web site searches or through DejaNews.
--craig
>The really, really amusing part... Michael
>Crichton wrote WestWorld. Basically, Jurassic
>Park was a rip-off of his own work, cast with a
>new villain
The even more amusing part? He's done this before...
A while ago (not bothering to check the exact details right now), there was a text adventure w/limited graphics game I had written by Crichton called "Amazon" -- but the plot was almost exactly that of the the book "Congo", 'cept for the change in locale and character names.
--craig
I'd be _very_ hesitant to go for something like like this without having much more information and hearing some testing results. There seem to me to be too many variables:
- What if the phone rings, and I stop the tape and start it again? Does this set the counter at my "second" viewing? What if its just a long movie and I want to watch the rest later?
- What if I forget to stop the tape when the phone rings, and I need to rewind and watch that part again?
- Even though its supposedly reusable, I generally tend to give some thought to the quality of the blank tapes I'm buying. Considering it's already been (bulk-) recorded, and viewed twice, what type of quality could I get re-recording on the tape?
- Is something physical going to "happen" to the tape after a viewing? Could that "thing" leave some residue, dust, or otherwise degrade my VCR playback?
- What if I have a ton of these lying around them I'm just going to thow away. Are they reactivatable? Can I bring them back to the store and get a partial rebate -- like I can in some states for soda cans?
- I can just see this being pressed one-time in bulk and then going out of print once a movie is no longer popular. If these do catch on -- and rental stores change their stock or go out of business, or companies raise the price on "real" videos/dvds of movies due to less demand -- could it impact my ability to obtain older or less-popular movies?
--craig
I would _LOVE_ to see something to come along to break up the ETS monopoly and put them out of buisness.
I recently had to re-take the GREs (having had my previous scores expire and thus literally deleted from their database system). Despite paying them what I would consider to be a substantial amount of money to take the test, I feel that in all my dealings with them, in person and on the phone, I was talked down with, distrusted, and treated overall with virtually none of the respect which I feel is intrinsic to to dealings with one's _customer_ in a service industry.
Devaluating their product (and introducing the possibility of competitive services), I feel would be the best step in forcing them to reconsider their role and position in dealing with their assumed captive audience.
--craig
> There are limits to freedom.
>
> You can't scream fire in a crowded theatre.
Sure you can.
There's no problem screaming fire if, for instance (a) there is a fire, or (b) everybody knows that you're kidding.
Even in other circumstances, and even if you were arrested, you wouldn't be charged with of a _speech_-related crime, but rather something such as "creating a public disturbance". So the problem is basically caused by the _effect_ or _intent_ of your action, not the actual speech act itself -- you're allowed to say what ever you want, and you're only being punished because what you said happens to be inappropriate to the situation in that it potentially endangered those around you.
What if you screamed "FIREman?" in a crowded theater? It contains the same sounds. Or how about, to your friend, screaming "Can you buy me some FIREballs at the snack bar?"
--craig
> to ensure that all federal technologies do not
> treat those with disabilities unfairly.
I'm not sure about the exact wording of the law (nor am I a lawyer), but it seems that fair treatment could be provided relatively straightforwardly.
Rather than trying to gain control (and find some standardization) of all of your disparate existing web pages, what you should do is hire some professional "government web surfers" and provide a phone number (toll-free) where the disabled (primarily the blind, I would assume) can call and have someone look up the appropriate information on the government web site and read it to them.
Such an on-demand service I believe has precedents: as far as I am aware, most educational services for disabled students (such as the tape recording of a text-book or lectures) are performed on-demand when a situation comes up rather than in advance; it also seems similiar to the concept of 411 service as opposed to a physical phone book.
--craig
> Then there's the claim that they have the right to search anything and anyone ... funny, that's not how I remember the Fourth Amendment!
Well, _they_ (the AIRLINE) actually do. They're a private company, and can specify certain requirements and obligations you must conform to if you want to partake of their services.
It's _government_ employees only who aren't allowed to search without a warrant and probable cause (despite Mr. Clinton's unconstitutional to increase gvt participation in airport security).
Don't ask me to explain why US Customs feel they have the right to do random searches. The only explanation I can think of is that they are simply set up to take advantage of non-US citizens entering the country who aren't aware of their rights.
--craig
>Demeaning? No, I wouldn't say so. To use an
>analogy, when I go into a store and by
>cigarettes or beer, I don't mind being carded. I
>know I am old enough and have proof of such. The
>same applies here. I don't mind taking an exam
>to prove my ability to perform the job function.
>I have seen too many people hired into jobs that
> aren't cabable of doing so.
I tend to come to different conclusions on this, using fairly similiar reasoning.
I DO mind being carded. I personally consider any age-based legal limitation completely arbitrary, and discriminatory. I feel that by enforcing this regulation, the shopkeeper is through his or her very actions supporting the notion that the it is the goverment's perogative to efforce rules that prevent me from making my own decision about potential health hazards. I also feel that being challenged for an ID is a personal affront to my own credibility, that despite having had a birthday party ever year for the past twenty-seven years, that I cannot be trusted to accurately represent my age and thus must provide corroborating evidence.
On the other hand, I find that qualifications for, or a test for, an interview or position perfectly acceptable. To do a specific job requires specific skills, and those your ability to perform those skills (unlike your age) IS directly related to your ability to perform the tasks. I am also entering into the interviewing-relationship willingly with a private company, rather than having such a challenge presented to me without choice due to a government regulation.
--craig
> The fundamental problem here is that too many
> lectures are wastes of the students' time
> because they simply recap material in the book.
Of course, this would just make any lecture notes also simply a recap of material in the book.
So, if you already have the book, then what's the point of buying the notes?
But didn't features like "undelete" and "undo/redo" get added to software because people wanted the possibility of taking back something they did by mistake?
Doesn't good user interface design specify that users will likely hit, for instance, the "delete key" by mistake, and thus that the option to undo this decision is a good thing for user satisifaction?
--craig
(As well as Microsoft's Chrome/Chrome-effects[1], and other similiar techonology.)
:)
Looking across the room, I still have my VRML programming books on the shelf. And I still have archives on CD somewhere of the wonderful read-world models from Planet9 (Virtual Kyoto, Tokyo etc.)
But the major problem with acceptance of VRML and Chrome was, in my opinion -- bad timing, which most people seem to interpret as a lack of rendering speed.
Now, at the time I was thinking these things were really cool, I had the same video cards pretty much everyone else did -- a Voodoo, and then a Voodoo2. Certain of the games I liked required it.
VRML, and Chrome, were both originally caught on as HTML plugins, typically in their own frame or imbedded on the page. Texture maps couldn't be made big enough to get good full-screen quality, and there was a great interest in adding commentary about the 3-d worlds: Read about this "Venice" you can be visiting! Instructions on how to use the viewer! Comments from users! etc. etc.
Of course, most of the VRML words were designed simply enough that the hardware 3d most video cards of time used could handle it well. But--we had Voodoo cards! And voodoo couldn't do 3d in a window!
Therefore, we were forced to render our 3D in software instead of hardware. And for the 150-300 MHz Pentium/Pros of the time, this was a lot of work. And the popular viewers, because they were browser-plugins, didn't support a full-screen mode we could switch to for hardware rendering.
These days, will one-card 2D/3D solutions, I think that VRML (and even Chrome!) could work. But, if there weren't all these Glide games back them forcing us to buy 3DFX, it could have worked back then too. So I think we know who is really to blame
--craig
[1] Chrome was basically a scripting language and utilties for "3d-web pages", which included such capabilities as hovering web pages which could be brought forward or backward, animated vector 3d-graphics, etc. As far as I was aware, it was never released pased a beta SDK.
so, if WWW.FBI.GOV is in the UK, but only has jurisdiction within the US, and WWW.CIA.GOV is in the US, but only has jurisdiction overseas...
...then I suspect we might be seriously screwed.
--craig
> It figures out where you are (based on your IP)
> and then gives you television from you area (if
> its got it) in the form of a an online VCR.
Of course, I can get the local stations just using an antenna and my TV or my All-In-Wonder tuner.
What would be REALLY good is to be able to watch TV from Japan/Mexico/wherever they have _interesting_ shows, and that I would LOVE to be able to stream over the internet.
Of course, I suppose that people in other countries feel the same way about wanting to see American TV, which is what caused the whole problem with iCraveTV (since it interferes with the licensing fees US stations charge to foreign stations to be able to pay their shows).
Limiting the business plan to something that fits within the current legal situtation results (i.e., check location and only allow access to local stations), doesn't give any added value to what we have already. So, unless they have some other interesting ideas waiting in the wings, I can't really see them being able to attract too much interest.
>If you are going to mod some up make sure you read it. And make sure it makes sense. The author of this post obiviously didn't read the orginal post very closely, as it plainly stated gigabit. Seriously, I am about to start reading at 3+ instead of 2+.
Well, actually the moderation on the article does say "Interesting", rather than "Accurate"...and you have to admit that things CAN be interesting regardless of whether or not they are true...
-craig
> But his lackeys had better check the content because although the title reads "dr dre - fuck you" (which is one of one of his actual titles) the content is really Kermit the Frog singing about the difficulties of being green. So I'm absolutely not violating his copyright, but unless he checks the content he'll falsely accuse me. What fun!
...although you are instead now guilty of violating Kermit the Frog's copyright...
Of course, there's also the DreamCast logo.
http://www.sega.co.jp/dreamcast/
Swirls are IN these days, ne?