As spreadfirefox.com is dogged by the slashdotting you may want to go direct to the donation page that explains more and allows you to sign up. Basically it's $30 per name you'd like to appear on the advert. I donated $300 (the maximum personal donation) you don't need to enter more names than you actually need.
perhaps they just don't want to side with mozilla entirley.
you shouldn't expect them to just endorse mozilla because it's your favourite and it's the IE alternative.
I'm glad they don't take sides.
I don't consider this taking sides.
Does meaning writing an app for Windows only mean they're siding with Microsoft? No!
Neither does making the app for mozilla, but with Mozilla you get cross platform support, so Mac, Linux users can benefit. Even BeOS and OS/2 users can use it! Any platform moz or firefox is available for can benefit.
Of course this is interesting, and shows the talents and ideas that can occur in the world of free/open software.
But Google is a business and they do need to make money and this would be a surefire way for them to lose money (a load of their storage used up, no way to show their adverts, etc) so if anyone seriously used this I can imagine their account disabled.
What I want is google officially creating (or officially blessing the ones that already exist) a gmail notifier app for Mozilla. Technically, using the 3rd party ones that the Mozilla community develop are against their terms of service. They already do an official notifier but it's Windows only - a Mozilla based one would be cross platform.
One of the winamp betas had the option to use the mozilla engine rather than the IE one. Shame they never spent more time on this feature then they could easily tell people they could fix this exploit by turning off the MS Engine.
Netscape need to update some of their international sites or pull them down. UK Site still says that version 7.0 is the latest! 7.0 was released about 2 years ago, and 7.1 is just over a year old.
Also I've noticed English is the only language 7.2 is available for, will others be added?
Branding, your average PHB has heard of Netscape, not Mozilla.
Well funnily enough when I was looking at the Netscape home page I was redirected here. They're now using the Mozilla brand to push their browser: Download the NEW Netscape® 7.2 browser (built with Mozilla) to take advantage of the latest security and popup blocking features and enjoy the best from Netscape.com.
I'd say it was too late. Netscape was turned into an ISP as well as being a major content portal. Would AOL want to lose their ISP customers and page hits by giving the Netscape brand to the Mozilla Foundation?
If you say then they'd keep their customers and portal but allow Mozilla to brand their browser 'Netscape' then effectively they'd then be relying on Netscape for their marketing and you'd suffer from the problem of having to track down download links in the confusing mess that is their portal
The best way to support the foundation is to just make a donation, you can do that from the Mozilla Store, it only makes sense to buy the CD if you actually want the CD.
When did netscape mail become proprietary? I seem to recall that Netscape Messenger used Unix mbox-format mailfolders...
He means accessing Netscape webmail through the mail client. Netscape webmail is accessible like a normal mail account through Netscape 6 and above but it's not available through standard IMAP.
You're right Netscape, Mozilla and Thunderbird store messages in the standard 'mbox' format
They did lay off their workforce, and even if AOL tries to re-hire them I don't think anyone would take their job back.
However, it looks like AOL have contracted some key foundation staff (see mention of the guidebook - he also wrote the Mozilla 1.7 Guidebook too) to help with this release, plus there's some ex-Netscape staff still working on other projects within AOL that could help out.
Based on 7.1 it used the Oscar protocol and also supported ICQ but not simultaneously (for some reason).
Didn't really have any advantages over the standalone one, the only time it was useful was in the days before AOL had an official Linux client, because the Netscape one would work when they were blocking the unofficial clients,
Firefox is getting so much press now that I'm sure a lot more people know what it is compared to, say, even just a month ago.
But it's still good that a browser with long time name recognition is still in the race and it gives people choice, and choice is good if it's standards compliant choice. Many web stats show that Mozilla is above it's Netscape branded cousin now in market share but I still know people who were happy with 7.1, these people preferred a suite and perhaps Netscape use their marketing dollars on this while Mozilla directs its marketing efforts towards the standalone Firefox and Thunderbird.
The Mozilla project if I am not mistaken is funded by Netscape.
Well, since the formation of the Mozilla Foundation in July 2003 then Mozilla was totally independent of Netscape, they did get some cash off them and they still host some of mozilla.org's FTP mirrors (others are hosted at various volunteers) but now mozilla.org are not controlled by any way with Netscape. I'm sure they've done what they can to help Netscape with this release, but the Foundation are concentrating on standalone apps now rather than the Netscape style suite.
If Netscape decides to make a Netscape 8.0 based on Firefox, great for them, but Firefox is now becoming a brand in its own right.
It's the first release since the Mozilla *Foundation* was founded just over a year ago. It was formed July 15th, 2003 and Netscape 7.1 was released June 29th, at the time it was expected to be the last Netscape release.
In the UK we have the UKUUG Linux 2004 conference. This years event will be in Leeds between 5th and the 8th August. Not as big as those events over the water but there's still usually a good turnout. The Register has a reader offer for those who want to attend.
In true slashdot tradition I didn't RTFA (for some reason I can't access it - can't be/. already, probably my ISP fucking up).
But it seems somewhat worrying for those who want to compile their own kernels it makes it harder to distinguish between stable and development and also it means the differences between distro kernels may be even more pronounced than before.
The reasons not to use MS Office even if MS is giving it to you on a plate are: 1) Virtually free is still more expensive than free - perhaps that money saved could be spent on a school excursion? 2) It's a good idea to teach people on a variety of different products (this means they're not stuck in their ways - they grasp the concepts rather than learn an app monkey style), some exposure to MS office is a good thing, put it on a few machines and save the licence money on the others. 3) OpenOffice can be given to students for free to take home and use, a lot of home machines come with MS Works which is almost useless. The only way most could get MS Office is by pirating it
I didn't think the pay rate would be high enough to make any money by employing people to look at these ads, I mean if you automated it then it might be profitable,
Anyway, more worrying about this scheme would be false positives meaning some people were getting less ad money than they were entitled to.
Moving off topic (so stop reading now if that bothers you), there's a lot of extensions for Firefox and Mozilla (and probably other apps - not looked) that do things with Gmail including provide a new notification icon in your toolbar (weblogs.mozillazine.org/doron/), upload contents of a Mozilla, Thunderbird or any other mailer that uses the standard mbox format and probably tools to download Gmail and serve it to a regular mail client.
Currently these methods are unsupported by Google - in fact some violate their terms of service. It'd be good to see Google to make some of these extensions official and make Firefox the number one Gmail browser, I mean MS do this with Hotmail in Outlook Express and as Firefox uses Google as a default search engine then they don't have to worry as much about an IE service pack resetting the browsers default home and search pages to MSN.
Gmail users - you have a feedback option - in the top right click on help. In the new page there should be an option down the left for feedback.
So who want's to start Vindows, a layer on top of VMS that makes it more like Windows. We could even call it Vindows NT.
Seriously, with MS so close to losing their trademark, why not more people set up names similar to windows and cash in challenging them in court.
MS throw about their weight with trademarks way too often (MikeRoweSoft is a recent example), if I was called Bob I'd be scared that they'd sue me next.
I was hoping that Lindows would have went all the way to prove that the Windows trademark is too generic a term to be valid. Instead they take the easy option and go for the cash.
Although I guess you probably would find it difficult to refuse MS cash if you were a company.
Don't kid yourself. This was very much an error in the Mozilla team's way of thinking. The insecure interface that Windows had, never should have been exposed to the Internet.
Wrong! It was a protocol, and the way an application is meant to handle unknown protocol schemes is to pass them to windows. That's why mms:// links open media player under windows.
Therefore it was upto Microsoft to ensure any protocol accessible to applications was safe to use on the internet. Why else would it have been implemented as a protocol handler?
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As spreadfirefox.com is dogged by the slashdotting you may want to go direct to the donation page that explains more and allows you to sign up. Basically it's $30 per name you'd like to appear on the advert. I donated $300 (the maximum personal donation) you don't need to enter more names than you actually need.
perhaps they just don't want to side with mozilla entirley.
you shouldn't expect them to just endorse mozilla because it's your favourite and it's the IE alternative.
I'm glad they don't take sides.
I don't consider this taking sides.
Does meaning writing an app for Windows only mean they're siding with Microsoft? No!
Neither does making the app for mozilla, but with Mozilla you get cross platform support, so Mac, Linux users can benefit. Even BeOS and OS/2 users can use it! Any platform moz or firefox is available for can benefit.
Of course this is interesting, and shows the talents and ideas that can occur in the world of free/open software.
But Google is a business and they do need to make money and this would be a surefire way for them to lose money (a load of their storage used up, no way to show their adverts, etc) so if anyone seriously used this I can imagine their account disabled.
What I want is google officially creating (or officially blessing the ones that already exist) a gmail notifier app for Mozilla. Technically, using the 3rd party ones that the Mozilla community develop are against their terms of service. They already do an official notifier but it's Windows only - a Mozilla based one would be cross platform.
One of the winamp betas had the option to use the mozilla engine rather than the IE one. Shame they never spent more time on this feature then they could easily tell people they could fix this exploit by turning off the MS Engine.
Also I've noticed English is the only language 7.2 is available for, will others be added?
Branding, your average PHB has heard of Netscape, not Mozilla.
Well funnily enough when I was looking at the Netscape home page I was redirected here. They're now using the Mozilla brand to push their browser:
Download the NEW Netscape® 7.2 browser (built with Mozilla) to take advantage of the latest security and popup blocking features and enjoy the best from Netscape.com.
I'd say it was too late. Netscape was turned into an ISP as well as being a major content portal. Would AOL want to lose their ISP customers and page hits by giving the Netscape brand to the Mozilla Foundation?
If you say then they'd keep their customers and portal but allow Mozilla to brand their browser 'Netscape' then effectively they'd then be relying on Netscape for their marketing and you'd suffer from the problem of having to track down download links in the confusing mess that is their portal
The best way to support the foundation is to just make a donation, you can do that from the Mozilla Store, it only makes sense to buy the CD if you actually want the CD.
When did netscape mail become proprietary? I seem to recall that Netscape Messenger used Unix mbox-format mailfolders...
He means accessing Netscape webmail through the mail client. Netscape webmail is accessible like a normal mail account through Netscape 6 and above but it's not available through standard IMAP.
You're right Netscape, Mozilla and Thunderbird store messages in the standard 'mbox' format
They did lay off their workforce, and even if AOL tries to re-hire them I don't think anyone would take their job back.
However, it looks like AOL have contracted some key foundation staff (see mention of the guidebook - he also wrote the Mozilla 1.7 Guidebook too) to help with this release, plus there's some ex-Netscape staff still working on other projects within AOL that could help out.
Based on 7.1 it used the Oscar protocol and also supported ICQ but not simultaneously (for some reason).
Didn't really have any advantages over the standalone one, the only time it was useful was in the days before AOL had an official Linux client, because the Netscape one would work when they were blocking the unofficial clients,
Firefox is getting so much press now that I'm sure a lot more people know what it is compared to, say, even just a month ago.
But it's still good that a browser with long time name recognition is still in the race and it gives people choice, and choice is good if it's standards compliant choice. Many web stats show that Mozilla is above it's Netscape branded cousin now in market share but I still know people who were happy with 7.1, these people preferred a suite and perhaps Netscape use their marketing dollars on this while Mozilla directs its marketing efforts towards the standalone Firefox and Thunderbird.
The Mozilla project if I am not mistaken is funded by Netscape.
Well, since the formation of the Mozilla Foundation in July 2003 then Mozilla was totally independent of Netscape, they did get some cash off them and they still host some of mozilla.org's FTP mirrors (others are hosted at various volunteers) but now mozilla.org are not controlled by any way with Netscape. I'm sure they've done what they can to help Netscape with this release, but the Foundation are concentrating on standalone apps now rather than the Netscape style suite.
If Netscape decides to make a Netscape 8.0 based on Firefox, great for them, but Firefox is now becoming a brand in its own right.
It's the first release since the Mozilla *Foundation* was founded just over a year ago. It was formed July 15th, 2003 and Netscape 7.1 was released June 29th, at the time it was expected to be the last Netscape release.
In the UK we have the UKUUG Linux 2004 conference. This years event will be in Leeds between 5th and the 8th August. Not as big as those events over the water but there's still usually a good turnout. The Register has a reader offer for those who want to attend.
In true slashdot tradition I didn't RTFA (for some reason I can't access it - can't be /. already, probably my ISP fucking up).
But it seems somewhat worrying for those who want to compile their own kernels it makes it harder to distinguish between stable and development and also it means the differences between distro kernels may be even more pronounced than before.
The reasons not to use MS Office even if MS is giving it to you on a plate are:
1) Virtually free is still more expensive than free - perhaps that money saved could be spent on a school excursion?
2) It's a good idea to teach people on a variety of different products (this means they're not stuck in their ways - they grasp the concepts rather than learn an app monkey style), some exposure to MS office is a good thing, put it on a few machines and save the licence money on the others.
3) OpenOffice can be given to students for free to take home and use, a lot of home machines come with MS Works which is almost useless. The only way most could get MS Office is by pirating it
and IE users like listening to whatever the guy who 0wnz their machine wants them to!
I didn't think the pay rate would be high enough to make any money by employing people to look at these ads, I mean if you automated it then it might be profitable,
Anyway, more worrying about this scheme would be false positives meaning some people were getting less ad money than they were entitled to.
Moving off topic (so stop reading now if that bothers you), there's a lot of extensions for Firefox and Mozilla (and probably other apps - not looked) that do things with Gmail including provide a new notification icon in your toolbar (weblogs.mozillazine.org/doron/), upload contents of a Mozilla, Thunderbird or any other mailer that uses the standard mbox format and probably tools to download Gmail and serve it to a regular mail client.
Currently these methods are unsupported by Google - in fact some violate their terms of service. It'd be good to see Google to make some of these extensions official and make Firefox the number one Gmail browser, I mean MS do this with Hotmail in Outlook Express and as Firefox uses Google as a default search engine then they don't have to worry as much about an IE service pack resetting the browsers default home and search pages to MSN.
Gmail users - you have a feedback option - in the top right click on help. In the new page there should be an option down the left for feedback.
So who want's to start Vindows, a layer on top of VMS that makes it more like Windows. We could even call it Vindows NT.
Seriously, with MS so close to losing their trademark, why not more people set up names similar to windows and cash in challenging them in court.
MS throw about their weight with trademarks way too often (MikeRoweSoft is a recent example), if I was called Bob I'd be scared that they'd sue me next.
I was hoping that Lindows would have went all the way to prove that the Windows trademark is too generic a term to be valid. Instead they take the easy option and go for the cash.
Although I guess you probably would find it difficult to refuse MS cash if you were a company.
Don't kid yourself. This was very much an error in the Mozilla team's way of thinking. The insecure interface that Windows had, never should have been exposed to the Internet.
Wrong! It was a protocol, and the way an application is meant to handle unknown protocol schemes is to pass them to windows. That's why mms:// links open media player under windows.
Therefore it was upto Microsoft to ensure any protocol accessible to applications was safe to use on the internet. Why else would it have been implemented as a protocol handler?
It has never been Netscape based - despite AOL owning Netscape.
Netscape 4.x and older wasn't modular enough to embed in their client.
The Mac OS X version does use the Gecko rendering engine (which ain't 'Netscape' it's just the rendering engine) and Compuserve also uses Gecko.
But AOL has been IE based since they moved away from thier own browser.
Wrong. This was fixed quickly and then you had the option of a small patch or downloading the new release 1.7.1 for Mozilla 0.9.2 for Firefox
...and using a browser that just embeds IE means you're still subject to all the security holes of that platform.