If you're using Windows or Linux please consider downloading a talkback build (they have talkback in their filename) this'll automatically send back crash data (with your permission - a box will appear first) to the Mozilla team which will help them track down the main causes for Mozilla to crash.
BTW the source code for M14 should follow on the FTP site soon. If you can buld for other platforms please do so and contribute your builds back to Mozilla. See here for details of packaging your own milestone build for your platform. -- Make use of your spare CPU time!
So it appears that we'll all have to go and download new clients when they're released to get round this bug. AFAIK distributed.net will discard any blocks submitted by the old clients but the old clients will still attempt to fetch blocks off the keyserver. It'd be a good idea to change the project ID slightly (e.g. to OGR-a) so that the old clients will not try to fetch these blocks in the first place. Because if these old clients are just downloading OGR blocks that just get discarded it's a waste of the CPU time where they could be doing RC5 instead.
Basically there has to be some system to stop the buggy clients downloading blocks and wasting their time.
While dnetc used 1.0% of memory, seti used 20.5% of memory. Also as seti don't provide optimisations of modern processors (and the fact that they're unlikely to find anything anyway) then I just think seti is a waste of spare cycles. OK RC5's only slightly better but at least it'll come to an end eventually.
A good way to keep up to date with the current status of the Mozilla project is to check the status page every week and also checking MozillaZine every few days. There's a lot of info about how the project is progressing and how far away they're from beta, etc.
Mozilla is certainly usable at the moment. I'm using it to post this message and for 90% of my browsing under Linux.
In case you weren't trolling, or for others that don't know, there is slashdot source code available from http://slashdot.org/code.shtml
However this source code is not very up to date, so that may be the reason why some people aren't happy about it. I'd like to see the slashdot code in its current state perhaps kept in CVS and then when considered stable a tarball can be made available from FTP.
However, remember that anyone who writes code should be free not to release their source code if they don't want to. I'd like to see more upto date slashdot source but it's not my right to see it and I'm grateful for what we've been given.
Forgot the footnote to my comment: [1] used exclusively except when viewing SSL sites as Mozilla doesn't contain any cryptography code due to US export regulations. However cryptography will be included in the Netscape released version of Mozilla (although they're not allowed export the source to the crypto module) and anyone else is free[2] to add cryptography to Mozilla if they want.
I'm voting for Mozilla with this one, but if they win I'd like to ensure that the money is spent on the Mozilla project and doesn't just go on inflating the coffers of Time Warner/AOL which own Netscape.
I think Mozilla deserve the award because although it looked like to many that the project was dying and JWZ left the project, Mozilla continued to make tremendous progress and is becoming more usable each day. I'm now using Mozilla for 80% of my browsing under Linux (and on the few times I use Windows I use Mozilla exclusively[1] as stability is currently slightly better at the moment on the Win32 versions). Many companies were watching Netscape's experiment with Mozilla to decide whether or not they should go open source. An excellent browser which is nearly ready now will help convince many companies once it's released as stable. An award for this project will be another example of why open source works.
As for the IE fans out there, a successful Mozilla will force Microsoft to produce a better browser (if Netscape had died at version 3 you wouldn't expect a browser anywhere near the quality of IE 5 as they wouldn't have had the incentive) --
is whether a station is commercial or pirate they have no right trying to force themselves upon the public in the way being described here. Although then again I can't imagine pirate stations wanting to risk advertising (that's if they could afford it)
As commercial local radio is losing it's individuality and stations all around the country are starting to sound the same I tend to agree with your point, although if anyone was allowed to broadcast there'd be no room on the airwaves and everything would get confusing, so there is a need for some sort of regulation IMHO. However it should not be so expensive to get a radio licence and short licences should be give to different volunteer groups (the ones likely to set up 'pirate' stations now) so they have their chance to broadcast. If they keep their licences short term it can offer the opportunity of other non profit stations to get their chance and bring more variety back to radio. The cost for these short licences should be minimal, current charges are too much for most people.
Well as no radio expert but as someone who drives a lot and listens to the radio and can only guess myself how RDS works but from what I hear I'm sure it's the station you are listening to that has the control.
For example where I live we have some independent local stations: Metro FM, Century and Galaxy as well as BBC Radio Newcastle. If you're listening to one of the independent stations and have traffic announcements switched on you only hear the announcements made by that particular station. If you're listening to a national BBC station (e.g. Radio 1) it'll switch over to the local BBC station when the local station is broadcasting a traffic announcement.
Therefore the way I see it although it's possible to make an RDS radio switch frequencies for a traffic announcement it has to be the station you're listening to that lets it.
The pirates have probably just found a loophole in the way the BBC have set up their stations traffic announcements and are exploiting it. (Please remember what I say may be wrong and if it is I'd like to know).
Yep that's true, bloody incompetent UK Cable and Telcos, telewest promised us Cable Modems would be around in 1997 - it's 2000 and they still haven't launched. They expect a launch soon, NTL has done a bit better in this respect. In the case of ADSL BT seem to be starting to offer services now although it's in very limited areas at the moment.
Yeah that's true. RDS is starting to appear on other radios these days too, it's still more commonplace in cars though.
It's particularly useful when you're living away from whereever you normally live. I went down London and without RDS it would have took ages to work out what station was what.
It's definitely an optional thing although most radios come enabled with it by default.
You can choose what exactly you want it to do, you may want to turn the traffic announcements off and the auto retuning off but may want to keep the station's name rather than the frequency displayed.
It's not particularly rare that the US doesn't have something that we in Europe consider commonplace. Teletext is another example, it's very difficult to buy a TV in Europe that doesn't have Teletext but in the US it's unheard of.
If this thing is possible with RDS I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner but I thought it was only the RDS signals from the station you were listening to that could change the frequency.
For those of you unfamiliar with RDS it is a feature built into most european car radios that allow additional data to be broadcast along with the audio. Most stations broadcast the stations name so if for example you were listening to Metro FM the display would say that rather than it's frequency. It also can transmit other data such as the type of music the station plays and alternate frequencies for the station so if it goes to a weak signal it can try for a better signal as well as the frequencies for related neighbouring stations. It can also interrupt tape or CS's when a traffic announcement is broadcast.
OK so this is a hoax but it is indeed possible to get 128 bit encryption on Netscape just by using an Australian product: Fortify As it's not made in the US it doesn't violate any US export laws. --
Bochs and VMware are written by the same person. Although Bochs does a similar thing Bochs is a PC emulator that can run on multiple architectures and freemWare is a virtual machine that tries to execute as much code natively as possible. Therefore Freemware will run quicker than Bochs but will only run on x86. --
No you can charge what you like for GPLed software as long as you don't put any restrictions on what the people you sell it to do with it (it other words you could sell a Linux CD for £10000 but then someone can just copy it and give it away).
This means that companies like cheapbytes realise that they can't charge very much for the software otherwise someone will just undercut them. --
Someone like RedHat has to make counter ads which prove that copying Linux isn't piracy but copying Windows is and also try and make Microsoft l;ook greedy in the process. --
If you're on a permanent net connection it's probably a good idea to keep up with the nightly builds if you want to see progress with Mozilla. There's already a few noticeable improvements in todays nightly build which weren't in the milestone release. Remember that as these builds are produced automatically there may be times when the builds are more buggy than usual or won't start at all.
If you're using the latest version it may help in submitting useful bug reports and will help you spot bugs as they happen (remember to quote the build ID when submitting bug reports - it is found in the status bvar at the bottom). --
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BTW the source code for M14 should follow on the FTP site soon. If you can buld for other platforms please do so and contribute your builds back to Mozilla. See here for details of packaging your own milestone build for your platform.
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Make use of your spare CPU time!
So it appears that we'll all have to go and download new clients when they're released to get round this bug. AFAIK distributed.net will discard any blocks submitted by the old clients but the old clients will still attempt to fetch blocks off the keyserver. It'd be a good idea to change the project ID slightly (e.g. to OGR-a) so that the old clients will not try to fetch these blocks in the first place. Because if these old clients are just downloading OGR blocks that just get discarded it's a waste of the CPU time where they could be doing RC5 instead.
Basically there has to be some system to stop the buggy clients downloading blocks and wasting their time.
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Marky is a muppet.
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The muppet is called Gareth and I don't think anyone would want to buy him.
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PID USER PRI NI SIZE RSS SHARE STAT LIB %CPU %MEM TIME COMMAND
767 n343145 20 1 12992 12M 236 R N 0 50.6 20.5 6530m setiathome
5474 n8201079 16 0 640 640 516 R 0 48.3 1.0 1:11 dnetc
While dnetc used 1.0% of memory, seti used 20.5% of memory. Also as seti don't provide optimisations of modern processors (and the fact that they're unlikely to find anything anyway) then I just think seti is a waste of spare cycles. OK RC5's only slightly better but at least it'll come to an end eventually.
I use it to listen to Metro FM without any problems
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Mozilla is certainly usable at the moment. I'm using it to post this message and for 90% of my browsing under Linux.
As more people start using Mozilla it increases the chances of finding obscure bugs and therefore reaching stability sooner.
In case you weren't trolling, or for others that don't know, there is slashdot source code available from http://slashdot.org/code.shtml
However this source code is not very up to date, so that may be the reason why some people aren't happy about it. I'd like to see the slashdot code in its current state perhaps kept in CVS and then when considered stable a tarball can be made available from FTP.
However, remember that anyone who writes code should be free not to release their source code if they don't want to. I'd like to see more upto date slashdot source but it's not my right to see it and I'm grateful for what we've been given.
Well as the language is called 'English' and that is the way we in England spell things I think it must be the right way then ;)
Forgot the footnote to my comment:
[1] used exclusively except when viewing SSL sites as Mozilla doesn't contain any cryptography code due to US export regulations.
However cryptography will be included in the Netscape released version of Mozilla (although they're not allowed export the source to the crypto module) and anyone else is free[2] to add cryptography to Mozilla if they want.
[2] free if their country allows it!
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I'm voting for Mozilla with this one, but if they win I'd like to ensure that the money is spent on the Mozilla project and doesn't just go on inflating the coffers of Time Warner/AOL which own Netscape.
I think Mozilla deserve the award because although it looked like to many that the project was dying and JWZ left the project, Mozilla continued to make tremendous progress and is becoming more usable each day. I'm now using Mozilla for 80% of my browsing under Linux (and on the few times I use Windows I use Mozilla exclusively[1] as stability is currently slightly better at the moment on the Win32 versions).
Many companies were watching Netscape's experiment with Mozilla to decide whether or not they should go open source. An excellent browser which is nearly ready now will help convince many companies once it's released as stable. An award for this project will be another example of why open source works.
As for the IE fans out there, a successful Mozilla will force Microsoft to produce a better browser (if Netscape had died at version 3 you wouldn't expect a browser anywhere near the quality of IE 5 as they wouldn't have had the incentive)
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is whether a station is commercial or pirate they have no right trying to force themselves upon the public in the way being described here. Although then again I can't imagine pirate stations wanting to risk advertising (that's if they could afford it)
As commercial local radio is losing it's individuality and stations all around the country are starting to sound the same I tend to agree with your point, although if anyone was allowed to broadcast there'd be no room on the airwaves and everything would get confusing, so there is a need for some sort of regulation IMHO. However it should not be so expensive to get a radio licence and short licences should be give to different volunteer groups (the ones likely to set up 'pirate' stations now) so they have their chance to broadcast. If they keep their licences short term it can offer the opportunity of other non profit stations to get their chance and bring more variety back to radio. The cost for these short licences should be minimal, current charges are too much for most people.
Well as no radio expert but as someone who drives a lot and listens to the radio and can only guess myself how RDS works but from what I hear I'm sure it's the station you are listening to that has the control.
For example where I live we have some independent local stations: Metro FM, Century and Galaxy as well as BBC Radio Newcastle. If you're listening to one of the independent stations and have traffic announcements switched on you only hear the announcements made by that particular station.
If you're listening to a national BBC station (e.g. Radio 1) it'll switch over to the local BBC station when the local station is broadcasting a traffic announcement.
Therefore the way I see it although it's possible to make an RDS radio switch frequencies for a traffic announcement it has to be the station you're listening to that lets it.
The pirates have probably just found a loophole in the way the BBC have set up their stations traffic announcements and are exploiting it.
(Please remember what I say may be wrong and if it is I'd like to know).
Yep that's true, bloody incompetent UK Cable and Telcos, telewest promised us Cable Modems would be around in 1997 - it's 2000 and they still haven't launched.
They expect a launch soon, NTL has done a bit better in this respect.
In the case of ADSL BT seem to be starting to offer services now although it's in very limited areas at the moment.
Yeah that's true. RDS is starting to appear on other radios these days too, it's still more commonplace in cars though.
It's particularly useful when you're living away from whereever you normally live. I went down London and without RDS it would have took ages to work out what station was what.
It's definitely an optional thing although most radios come enabled with it by default.
You can choose what exactly you want it to do, you may want to turn the traffic announcements off and the auto retuning off but may want to keep the station's name rather than the frequency displayed.
It's not particularly rare that the US doesn't have something that we in Europe consider commonplace.
Teletext is another example, it's very difficult to buy a TV in Europe that doesn't have Teletext but in the US it's unheard of.
If this thing is possible with RDS I'm surprised it hasn't happened sooner but I thought it was only the RDS signals from the station you were listening to that could change the frequency.
For those of you unfamiliar with RDS it is a feature built into most european car radios that allow additional data to be broadcast along with the audio. Most stations broadcast the stations name so if for example you were listening to Metro FM the display would say that rather than it's frequency. It also can transmit other data such as the type of music the station plays and alternate frequencies for the station so if it goes to a weak signal it can try for a better signal as well as the frequencies for related neighbouring stations. It can also interrupt tape or CS's when a traffic announcement is broadcast.
OK so this is a hoax but it is indeed possible to get 128 bit encryption on Netscape just by using an Australian product: Fortify As it's not made in the US it doesn't violate any US export laws.
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Bochs and VMware are written by the same person. Although Bochs does a similar thing Bochs is a PC emulator that can run on multiple architectures and freemWare is a virtual machine that tries to execute as much code natively as possible. Therefore Freemware will run quicker than Bochs but will only run on x86.
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No you can charge what you like for GPLed software as long as you don't put any restrictions on what the people you sell it to do with it (it other words you could sell a Linux CD for £10000 but then someone can just copy it and give it away).
This means that companies like cheapbytes realise that they can't charge very much for the software otherwise someone will just undercut them.
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Someone like RedHat has to make counter ads which prove that copying Linux isn't piracy but copying Windows is and also try and make Microsoft l;ook greedy in the process.
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If you're on a permanent net connection it's probably a good idea to keep up with the nightly builds if you want to see progress with Mozilla. There's already a few noticeable improvements in todays nightly build which weren't in the milestone release. Remember that as these builds are produced automatically there may be times when the builds are more buggy than usual or won't start at all.
If you're using the latest version it may help in submitting useful bug reports and will help you spot bugs as they happen (remember to quote the build ID when submitting bug reports - it is found in the status bvar at the bottom).
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