We need better language to discuss these things in the lay media. Or maybe use the language we have better.
Yeah it sounds awesome and scary to say "moving as fast as 30,000 miles per hour!" (gasp) but relative to what? If I am in the same orbit it is moving as "slow as 0 miles per hour!" But that isn't scary enough to say.
What I would like to have heard is some sort of detail about what types of launches and deployments are at risk. Maybe list desirable orbits that would be problematic. But of course that kind of copy also isn't scary enough (gasp) so I guess it is too much to ask for.
That said this is a great achievement and yes it is only a matter of time before space debris causes some catastrophe. Mitigating the risk is well worth the expense. Maybe that's something that Trump's "Space Force" can focus on.
Looking at the activity logs of my servers that have public IPv4 addresses, all the traffic I get already from China is spam, bot scans of web pages, and constant port scanning and SSH dictionary attacks.
On top of that, I am pretty much 100% certain that if I put up a web page of interest to Chinese in China and it got popular and the government of China didn't like then nobody there would be able to see it anymore.
If the Internet did bifurcate as Schmidt says, what would be so different?
I kind of feel for them. I used Evernote since it first was hatched and also did the paid-subscription thing for a year or two before I cancelled that.
The problem is there is just too much competition from the OS vendors. Apple has all its iCloud stuff, Microsoft has OneDrive, and Ubuntu has UbuntuOne (I think they call it that) and they both work on each others and other platforms (browser mode if necessary).
Try as I might I just can't think of anything Evernote brought to the party other than they were doing it before the big guys were. Lord knows they tried. But new media types and editor doo-dads just ain't going to get you the defensible position.
I would hate to see them go but not enough to give them money anymore. But it is amazing they kept it going this long.
So the bad guys got a 3rd party certificate? Last time I got one (Codomo I think) for my mail server they actually verified my identity by phone in order to actually issue the certificate for me.
Is that not routine now? How could the bad guys not be traced if they want so far as to buy a cert?
Why do we measure in lines of code? Serious question.
I would like to know a decent alternative. For the past 20 years whenever I was involved in a contractual transfer of intellectual property of software I would invariably get asked "how many lines of code?"
Generally the question is not too hard to answer as long as you don't get too picky. After all we are talking about a "find" command piped into "wc" on various checked out directory trees. Who knows what percentage of that actual compile-active source code versus everything else. The legal and accounting and M&A departments never seem to think to ask.
To make things more uncomfortable for the software engineers who just want to be honest about it, more often than not the seller wants to include the lines of open source in the total because that is much, much bigger. Of course. One example: last century I worked with an embedded (Linux) product selling pretty well and the unique, proprietary code was about 300,000 lines or so. Include the kernel and utilities compiled and bundled in and you ended up with about 3,500,000 lines of code. Guess which number was used to price the sale.
I spent some time trying to think of some way to vault over this kind of BS but I never got anywhere with it and ceased trying. They don't want to hear it.
At the end of the day it doesn't really matter. What matters is the revenue stream the resulting software generates and the customer base it has. What they really are asking is how hard it is to duplicate the software by, say, some cheap programming team in the third world. That in fact is a forever unknowable quantity but you have to give them something to believe in that they can use to convince the buyer to sign the check.
So why were you doing that? I am left to guess that your idea was that cell tower workers get more exposure than regular consumers so therefore if they don't get sick from it nobody else should be either.
If that is the case I see lots of problems with your assumptions. For one thing I would expect a cell tower linesman to be safety trained with regard to not being in front of a powered-up directional signal source. Are the antennas even powered up when they are up there? Once the are done with the installation do they tend to live somewhere where they don't have 5G coverage? (or 3GPP/3G/LTE/ whatever.) Line workers tend to be more fit than the general population (all that climbing and carrying) and would that be a factor? I could think of other things but I don't see what you were trying to prove.
You certainly weren't looking for data with regard to your foolish-but-nice customer's concerns.
So you linked to a bunch of articles from purely China authors in Beijing.
nih.gov is "purely China?" Good to know. The fact that you apparently think that the authors are Chinese based in Beijing (writing in perfect English) means that their research is disregard-able suggests to me that you are just so conditioned to take a side that it is your opinion is more questionable.
What I was hoping for is someone to check what part of the spectrum 5G uses, or maybe the use case and deployment practice, or something else not considered and provide insight as to the safety of the technology. Guess I'll have to wait longer.
That JavaScript would never have become popular without its killer app is merely asserting a tautology.
Maybe so, but you will notice that every time a survey like this is done and Javascript ranks so high you get dozens of posts about confounding it is how anyone ever uses Javascript because how awful Javascript is. So the trivial assertion you are pointing out is missed by many.
A few months back I was running OpenVPN in a VM on one of my main Ubuntu systems. I haven't had time to research it or figure out how but someone managed to use an exploit to install a bitcoin miner on it. I only noticed because the 2 CPUs assigned to the VM reported 100% all the time.
but it was never gonna happen. Best to let it go and move on.
You seem to have completely missed the point. I have nothing here to "let go" of to move on.
All I was doing is pointing out that if Javascript (as it was not ES2017) did not have the browser environment ecosystem it was hatched in it never would have achieved much prominence.
I have known some Javascript ever since it was invented and spent decades avoiding it as much as possible. I can't remember who it was but they wrote that "Javascript is the most feared language" in computer science.
Now that I am doing client-side web apps it is unavoidable. Except, of course, for Microsoft wonderful effort into Typescript. It takes away none of Javascript's "strengths" (such as they are) but it makes it possible to get serious assistance from your IDE. You end up not as constrained as Java but you feel less like you are tossed into a chaotic lake of famished crocodiles, horny hippos and drunk rednecks in speedboats firing guns everywhere.
Thanks to Typescript I don't feel like I am writing Javascript any more than I feel like I am writing in assembly language when I code in C. Only an occasional trip to w3schools or stackoverflow is all that is needed to cover the quirky things I didn't know.
That said, I always wonder why anyone can be in doubt about why Javascript is so ascendant. There can be no reason other than it had access to the pervasive API of the browser environment. In other words the DOM and the browser-provided objects. That, and the fact that the build environment and the runtime environment were one and the same, helping countless legions of amateurs to get "into" web programming.
With all its flaws Javascript fell into a mucky pond and evolved into an ecosystem were a lot of people could make a living from using it. That's what made it successful. It has little or nothing to do with the merits (or demerits) of the language itself.
Imagine if Google had created node.js first, and all browsers were using some other language like Python. Nobody but a quirky minority would pay any attention to Javascript whatever. Now pretty much all of us have to pay attention.
Even the most chaotic mind seeks out stability and order. In this case it would appear that the afflicted person had enough skill and/or talent to express that urge in the form of software. Based on his own statements in the article that was indeed its purpose.
Yeah like that. You don't know its there until its deadly strike is on its way or has actually impacted. That is what a submarine in warfare is all about.
If you have having difficulty with the idea I would suggest you read FiveThirtyEight's analysis which makes the case pretty clearly.
Perhaps you could consider that people in rural areas don't see the need for their state or county taxes to increase to benefit city dwellers. There are perfectly logical economic and other reasons why people oppose mass transit none of which are because it's seen as "communism or something like that"
Like my city-boy's taxes are raised to pay for agribusiness subsidies? Oh, come on. You can do better than that.
Reading your post almost makes me believe you have no idea where the market for the farmer's product is. Oh, wait...
Powerful people don't use mass transit, therefore there is no priority on mass transit.
It could be argued that mass transit benefits the powerful because it provides a way to transport workers into their factories and offices. Personal transportation for the masses is just not economically feasible in the high-density institutions that are most efficient for capitalism. You would have to spend more in salaries to enable workers to pay the transportation costs.
Spend some time in Tokyo, Seoul, or Manhattan to see how it works. Or, for that matter, the Pentagon.
But of course the typical MAGA voter thinks that mass transportation is adopting communism or something like that so we don't get to have it.
Hillary was torpedoed by Comey. Had that not happened the Russian interference would not have mattered except to elect more Republicans to congress perhaps. Which is what they wanted.
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We need better language to discuss these things in the lay media. Or maybe use the language we have better.
Yeah it sounds awesome and scary to say "moving as fast as 30,000 miles per hour!" (gasp) but relative to what? If I am in the same orbit it is moving as "slow as 0 miles per hour!" But that isn't scary enough to say.
What I would like to have heard is some sort of detail about what types of launches and deployments are at risk. Maybe list desirable orbits that would be problematic. But of course that kind of copy also isn't scary enough (gasp) so I guess it is too much to ask for.
That said this is a great achievement and yes it is only a matter of time before space debris causes some catastrophe. Mitigating the risk is well worth the expense. Maybe that's something that Trump's "Space Force" can focus on.
Can't they just not buy Deer anymore and start buying Case or International?
Looking at the activity logs of my servers that have public IPv4 addresses, all the traffic I get already from China is spam, bot scans of web pages, and constant port scanning and SSH dictionary attacks.
On top of that, I am pretty much 100% certain that if I put up a web page of interest to Chinese in China and it got popular and the government of China didn't like then nobody there would be able to see it anymore.
If the Internet did bifurcate as Schmidt says, what would be so different?
I kind of feel for them. I used Evernote since it first was hatched and also did the paid-subscription thing for a year or two before I cancelled that.
The problem is there is just too much competition from the OS vendors. Apple has all its iCloud stuff, Microsoft has OneDrive, and Ubuntu has UbuntuOne (I think they call it that) and they both work on each others and other platforms (browser mode if necessary).
Try as I might I just can't think of anything Evernote brought to the party other than they were doing it before the big guys were. Lord knows they tried. But new media types and editor doo-dads just ain't going to get you the defensible position.
I would hate to see them go but not enough to give them money anymore. But it is amazing they kept it going this long.
dont they already have the fabs and plans for everything anyway????
No. The big modern fabs are in Taiwan, not PRC.
Actually, each of the big fab houses have larger facilities in the mainland as opposed the island. Labor is cheaper there.
So the bad guys got a 3rd party certificate? Last time I got one (Codomo I think) for my mail server they actually verified my identity by phone in order to actually issue the certificate for me.
Is that not routine now? How could the bad guys not be traced if they want so far as to buy a cert?
Anyone else here play agar.io? If you can win that game with the latency you have you can win pretty much anything.
Why do we measure in lines of code? Serious question.
I would like to know a decent alternative. For the past 20 years whenever I was involved in a contractual transfer of intellectual property of software I would invariably get asked "how many lines of code?"
Generally the question is not too hard to answer as long as you don't get too picky. After all we are talking about a "find" command piped into "wc" on various checked out directory trees. Who knows what percentage of that actual compile-active source code versus everything else. The legal and accounting and M&A departments never seem to think to ask.
To make things more uncomfortable for the software engineers who just want to be honest about it, more often than not the seller wants to include the lines of open source in the total because that is much, much bigger. Of course. One example: last century I worked with an embedded (Linux) product selling pretty well and the unique, proprietary code was about 300,000 lines or so. Include the kernel and utilities compiled and bundled in and you ended up with about 3,500,000 lines of code. Guess which number was used to price the sale.
I spent some time trying to think of some way to vault over this kind of BS but I never got anywhere with it and ceased trying. They don't want to hear it.
At the end of the day it doesn't really matter. What matters is the revenue stream the resulting software generates and the customer base it has. What they really are asking is how hard it is to duplicate the software by, say, some cheap programming team in the third world. That in fact is a forever unknowable quantity but you have to give them something to believe in that they can use to convince the buyer to sign the check.
I was googling cell tower workers dude.
So why were you doing that? I am left to guess that your idea was that cell tower workers get more exposure than regular consumers so therefore if they don't get sick from it nobody else should be either.
If that is the case I see lots of problems with your assumptions. For one thing I would expect a cell tower linesman to be safety trained with regard to not being in front of a powered-up directional signal source. Are the antennas even powered up when they are up there? Once the are done with the installation do they tend to live somewhere where they don't have 5G coverage? (or 3GPP/3G/LTE/ whatever.) Line workers tend to be more fit than the general population (all that climbing and carrying) and would that be a factor? I could think of other things but I don't see what you were trying to prove.
You certainly weren't looking for data with regard to your foolish-but-nice customer's concerns.
So you linked to a bunch of articles from purely China authors in Beijing.
nih.gov is "purely China?" Good to know. The fact that you apparently think that the authors are Chinese based in Beijing (writing in perfect English) means that their research is disregard-able suggests to me that you are just so conditioned to take a side that it is your opinion is more questionable.
What I was hoping for is someone to check what part of the spectrum 5G uses, or maybe the use case and deployment practice, or something else not considered and provide insight as to the safety of the technology. Guess I'll have to wait longer.
I am not supporting any position other than your google skills seem to be lacking. I just got back from MWC.
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Effects of microwave radiation on brain energy metabolism and related mechanisms
Exposure to 1800 MHz radiofrequency radiation induces oxidative damage to mitochondrial DNA in primary cultured neurons.
Relationship between cognition function and hippocampus structure after long-term microwave exposure.
Neural Cell Apoptosis Induced by Microwave Exposure Through Mitochondria-dependent Caspase-3 Pathway
I thought most people knew not to buy and install V1.0 of anything. Apparently not people able to afford a moon trip.
I thought Boeing was moving out of Seattle. So I guess there won't be another generation of aviation workers there after they use these oldsters up.
That JavaScript would never have become popular without its killer app is merely asserting a tautology.
Maybe so, but you will notice that every time a survey like this is done and Javascript ranks so high you get dozens of posts about confounding it is how anyone ever uses Javascript because how awful Javascript is. So the trivial assertion you are pointing out is missed by many.
Probably had very little to do with OpenVPN though and more to do with you not knowing how to secure a system.
None of my other Ubuntu VMs with public IP addresses on that very same hypervisor were affected. Not before or since.
Your incorrect conclusions have little to do with my knowledge or lack there of and more to do with your arrogant ignorance.
A few months back I was running OpenVPN in a VM on one of my main Ubuntu systems. I haven't had time to research it or figure out how but someone managed to use an exploit to install a bitcoin miner on it. I only noticed because the 2 CPUs assigned to the VM reported 100% all the time.
So it happens.
but it was never gonna happen. Best to let it go and move on.
You seem to have completely missed the point. I have nothing here to "let go" of to move on.
All I was doing is pointing out that if Javascript (as it was not ES2017) did not have the browser environment ecosystem it was hatched in it never would have achieved much prominence.
I have known some Javascript ever since it was invented and spent decades avoiding it as much as possible. I can't remember who it was but they wrote that "Javascript is the most feared language" in computer science.
Now that I am doing client-side web apps it is unavoidable. Except, of course, for Microsoft wonderful effort into Typescript. It takes away none of Javascript's "strengths" (such as they are) but it makes it possible to get serious assistance from your IDE. You end up not as constrained as Java but you feel less like you are tossed into a chaotic lake of famished crocodiles, horny hippos and drunk rednecks in speedboats firing guns everywhere.
Thanks to Typescript I don't feel like I am writing Javascript any more than I feel like I am writing in assembly language when I code in C. Only an occasional trip to w3schools or stackoverflow is all that is needed to cover the quirky things I didn't know.
That said, I always wonder why anyone can be in doubt about why Javascript is so ascendant. There can be no reason other than it had access to the pervasive API of the browser environment. In other words the DOM and the browser-provided objects. That, and the fact that the build environment and the runtime environment were one and the same, helping countless legions of amateurs to get "into" web programming.
With all its flaws Javascript fell into a mucky pond and evolved into an ecosystem were a lot of people could make a living from using it. That's what made it successful. It has little or nothing to do with the merits (or demerits) of the language itself.
Imagine if Google had created node.js first, and all browsers were using some other language like Python. Nobody but a quirky minority would pay any attention to Javascript whatever. Now pretty much all of us have to pay attention.
Even the most chaotic mind seeks out stability and order. In this case it would appear that the afflicted person had enough skill and/or talent to express that urge in the form of software. Based on his own statements in the article that was indeed its purpose.
What, like with a submarine or something?
Yeah like that. You don't know its there until its deadly strike is on its way or has actually impacted. That is what a submarine in warfare is all about.
If you have having difficulty with the idea I would suggest you read FiveThirtyEight's analysis which makes the case pretty clearly.
The powerful know that their workers need the job. They don't care about making it more convenient to get there.
I suppose they don't care about how convenient. Maybe. If you want to argue that they don't care about costs then you and I part ways there.
Perhaps you could consider that people in rural areas don't see the need for their state or county taxes to increase to benefit city dwellers. There are perfectly logical economic and other reasons why people oppose mass transit none of which are because it's seen as "communism or something like that"
Like my city-boy's taxes are raised to pay for agribusiness subsidies? Oh, come on. You can do better than that.
Reading your post almost makes me believe you have no idea where the market for the farmer's product is. Oh, wait...
Powerful people don't use mass transit, therefore there is no priority on mass transit.
It could be argued that mass transit benefits the powerful because it provides a way to transport workers into their factories and offices. Personal transportation for the masses is just not economically feasible in the high-density institutions that are most efficient for capitalism. You would have to spend more in salaries to enable workers to pay the transportation costs.
Spend some time in Tokyo, Seoul, or Manhattan to see how it works. Or, for that matter, the Pentagon.
But of course the typical MAGA voter thinks that mass transportation is adopting communism or something like that so we don't get to have it.
Hillary was torpedoed by Comey. Had that not happened the Russian interference would not have mattered except to elect more Republicans to congress perhaps. Which is what they wanted.
Why would someone vacation in Edinburgh in October? Isn't it rather cold there?