trekkie shame on you all. Vulcan Fury was part of the mating ritual. Spock betrothed refused to mate with him and she chose Captain Kirk to defend her right to refuse Spock as a mate in a fight to the death. Bones injected Jim with a serum that made him appear to have died. During the Vulcan matting ritual Spock went ballistic but latter complimented his erstwhile bride on choosing Kirk as her champion as she knew Spock would refuse her for having forced him to kill his Captain and friend. Spock thought her choice immenently logical.
The Biomass is littered with dead critters who developed overspecialized means of monopolizing their ecological niche and paid the ultimate price of extincition through success. We have only to point to Bill Gates and MicroSoft to see our doom approaching. Our outsized brains have allowed us to dominate the biosphere and promulgate changes evolution might well blush at.The biomass is a system and as such functions by way of principles we refer to as feedback, both positive and negative, and runaway. Sex and death are excellent, at hand;), examples of positive feedback. While we're busy skirting death and overbreeding nature is being pushed up against the limits of existing tolerances and sooner or later, you know, something's got to give. When the shifts in parameters start to take place no one can say what the outcome will be. We might come out in Eden, we might come out in Hell and suffer the damnation of Faust, or just die out. Either way it's the big brain and our unbridled fears and hubris that will get us there. That having been said, I'm off to quaff a beer and a handful of anti-depressants. This short interlude of anthropomorphizing was brought to atop my own brand of soapbox fashioned after the rhetorical positions of K Galbraith and W. Churchill who repsectively stated: "I right because I'm taller than you" and "These, Gentlemen, are the opinions upon which I base my facts."
You can knock any comedy or story line but the idea is to entertain and if you don't want to reliquish a bit of your incredulousness to benefit from the tonic that is humour than stay away. Support these people Big Time they're helping to create the online culture that fosters all that is good about the net.
OK... I have to get down off my soapbox now coz I get vertigo real bad and nose bleeds.
As can be seen in Universal Algebra, their approach is algebraic, not arithmetical.
Thanks for the input. I went from recall off the following quote.
The next man of importance was Frege, who published his first work in 1879, and his definition of "number" in 1884;but in spite of the epoch-making nature of his discoveries,he remained wholly without recognition until I drew attention to him in 1903. It is remarkable that, before Frege, every definition of number that had been suggested contained elementary logical blunders. It was customary to identify "number" with "plurality". But an instance ofnumber is a particular number, say 3, and an instance of 3is a particular triad. The triad is a plurality, but the class of all triads - which Frege identified with the number3 - is a plurality of pluralities, and number in general,of which 3 is an instance, is a plurality of pluralities of pluralities. The elementary grammatical mistake of confounding this with the simple plurality of a given triadmade the whole philosophy of number, before Frege, a tissue of nonsense in the strictest sense of the term "nonsense".
From Frege's work it followed that arithmetic, and pure mathematics generally, is nothing but a prolongations of deductive logic. This disproved Kant's theory that arithmetical propositions are "synthetic" and involve a reference to time.
The development of pure mathematics fromlogic was set forth in detail in Principia Mathematica, by Whitehead and myself.
Bertrand Russell History of Western Philosophy Chap XXXI
Leibnitz was caricatured as Dr. Pangloss by Voltaire. Dr. Pangloss believed this was the best of all possible worlds and everything happened for the best. Leibnitz only published his lesser works because he sought the approbation of princes and the court. It wasn't till B. Russell unearthed some of Leibnitz's letters and more recondite works that the world came to be better equated with the logical genius of the man. My favorite idea from Leibnitz is the Characteristica Universalis wherein he proposed a sort of calculus cum esperanto which he thought would allow all issues to be made amenable to purely logical resolution. He suggested metaphysical issues could be resolved by persons taking out their pencils (or quills) and sitting down like accountants. "Gentlemen let us calculate" was his battle cry. You can begin to see why Russell, who along with Whitehead authored Principia Mathematica in an effort to base logic in arithmetic, would think Leibnitz to be the supreme logical mind of all time.
42... actually if you read 'The White Goddess' by Robert Graves you'll discover 42 is the numerical sign of the Christ... not the christian Christ but the more ancient concept of man made Logos, the ancient Greek concept of the mind made luminescent as reason.
Another line of thought would be to entertain unfettered imaginings such as those of a mad poet as more likely to stay true to the lines inherent in the 'mind's' ability to grok the universe. We are products of the universe and the laws of the universe hold for us as for all other 'things'. It may be that when one of us is in tune with things we are more likely to come up with what is actually 'out there'. just a thought please excuse all the quotation marks. cheers
The notion that a thing can exist in multiple locations at the same time is counter-intuitive.It's incredebly useful, but not the sort of thing a lot of people are going to "get".
The Universe knows this and you're right most of us don't get it.
Do you need to refer to yourself in the third person Adam? Is it because you've sinned ? Are you a sinner Adam? Control your evil self... control Adam control him... God's watching you Adam.
Computing will be made into a utility like hydro and the closest most users will get to a computer as we know it will be a wall socket. This will happen because big business and government want it to happen, because like bank robbers to banks, they know that's where the money is. The only recourse will be to go off the grid. Like many farmers are now going off the hydro grid and turning to wind and solar power we will have to go off the grid perhaps forming co-ops, credit unions and other institutions to allow us to access the big business and government run net while not being subject to the strictures. Maybe an independent satellite grid?
It's about maturity both on the part of the product and the posters. Using a trite analogy, like a good wine, any product needs time to mature and so do many Linux zealots. Geeks by their nature like to fiddle with things;) so applying endless patches isn't necessarily a bad thing. Every Linux luser wants to be a kernel hacker but without the time and resources applying endless patches and reading the arcanum is a vicarious kernel hacker's high. MS needs to get product to the market and stay ahead of the competition, they're in a race and too often the product is left to mature in the market place. But the people who use windoze use it mainly because they want a one click answer even if that answer is shrouded in equivocation. It's a different mind set. And when Linux does grow to take larger and larger market share the users will want pat SP like resolutions to problems while here we will nitpick and complain that back in the day things were better without the concerns of too many lusers being addressed over the real requirements of the OS.
Alexander: "This may sound strange, but I'm not really a heavy user of Gnome... Since I'm mainly a developer my desktop tends to be half-broken most of the time, and the applications I use most are emacs, terminals and a mail-reader"
. If Linux wasn't the real deal, Microsoft wouldn't have to worry about it.
I'm not disagreeing with your position but I think it serves to bear in mind MicroSoft's court woes as a monopoly. I don't doubt that it serves their case well to label an alternative, free OS and software as enemy no.1
It's a numbers game either way. Rough estimates has about 100 billion other suns in the Galaxy. If an assumption is made that our planet is not too unique then the numbers would suggest life should have arisen around a good number of the 100 billion suns. If given our current technology it would take 10,000 years to reach the nearest star then the Galaxy could be seeded in about 10 million years. Any way you cut it I hope you're right. We need all the help we can get. Although I recall reading somewhere S. Hawkings said that if they come they will come like Conquistadors.
Here at home it's taken about 4 Billion years for the technology to evolve allowing for an intelligent search for extraterrestrial life. If the Galaxy is 14 billion years old then older technologies should have at least sparsely spread over the Galaxy by now. Numerically, with a few long shots, it looks like we're alone around here. But hey, metaphysically we're the Universe on a course of self discovery. Not bad for a bunch 'o apes that lost the forest on the savannah and stood up to take a look around. Unless you go with the idea evolution of sentient beings follows a path akin to an EMF, sort of a take on the idea of a thought thinking itself a la Spinoza's take on God. (although I think the idea of a thought thinking itself as a definition of God goes back to one of the ancient Greeks, probably one of the neoplatonist, maybe Plotinus?)
You wrote: "since most Europeans can trace their ancestors back to a very small group of perhaps a dozen Ice Age survivors."
I know this is the case for my family (german/danish). We've traced our family line on both sides to a brother and sister who barely avoided a slow cold death by crossing the Alps into the area around Cannes.
I see a room of corporate *comers* jacked on cappuccino and expensive cologne wanting to come up with something with _snap_ and "a sense of community" like/.
Slashdot Mirror
"Secret of Vulcan Fury.""
trekkie shame on you all. Vulcan Fury was part of the mating ritual. Spock betrothed refused to mate with him and she chose Captain Kirk to defend her right to refuse Spock as a mate in a fight to the death. Bones injected Jim with a serum that made him appear to have died. During the Vulcan matting ritual Spock went ballistic but latter complimented his erstwhile bride on choosing Kirk as her champion as she knew Spock would refuse her for having forced him to kill his Captain and friend. Spock thought her choice immenently logical.
The Biomass is littered with dead critters who developed overspecialized means of monopolizing their ecological niche and paid the ultimate price of extincition through success. We have only to point to Bill Gates and MicroSoft to see our doom approaching. Our outsized brains have allowed us to dominate the biosphere and promulgate changes evolution might well blush at.The biomass is a system and as such functions by way of principles we refer to as feedback, both positive and negative, and runaway. Sex and death are excellent, at hand ;), examples of positive feedback. While we're busy skirting death and overbreeding nature is being pushed up against the limits of existing tolerances and sooner or later, you know, something's got to give. When the shifts in parameters start to take place no one can say what the outcome will be. We might come out in Eden, we might come out in Hell and suffer the damnation of Faust, or just die out. Either way it's the big brain and our unbridled fears and hubris that will get us there. That having been said, I'm off to quaff a beer and a handful of anti-depressants. This short interlude of anthropomorphizing was brought to atop my own brand of soapbox fashioned after the rhetorical positions of K Galbraith and W. Churchill who repsectively stated: "I right because I'm taller than you" and "These, Gentlemen, are the opinions upon which I base my facts."
The american anthropolgist and all around genius Gregory Bateson was among the first to investigate theories of meta bracketing as sources of information. His two best books 'Steps to an Ecology of the Mind', and 'Mind and Nature: A Necessary Unity' are both excellent reads and brilliant insights into the human psyche.
You can knock any comedy or story line but the idea is to entertain and if you don't want to reliquish a bit of your incredulousness to benefit from the tonic that is humour than stay away. Support these people Big Time they're helping to create the online culture that fosters all that is good about the net.
OK... I have to get down off my soapbox now coz I get vertigo real bad and nose bleeds.
As can be seen in Universal Algebra, their approach is algebraic, not arithmetical.
Thanks for the input. I went from recall off the following quote.
The next man of importance was Frege, who published his first work in 1879, and his definition of "number" in 1884;but in spite of the epoch-making nature of his discoveries,he remained wholly without recognition until I drew attention to him in 1903. It is remarkable that, before Frege, every definition of number that had been suggested contained elementary logical blunders. It was customary to identify "number" with "plurality". But an instance ofnumber is a particular number, say 3, and an instance of 3is a particular triad. The triad is a plurality, but the class of all triads - which Frege identified with the number3 - is a plurality of pluralities, and number in general,of which 3 is an instance, is a plurality of pluralities of pluralities. The elementary grammatical mistake of confounding this with the simple plurality of a given triadmade the whole philosophy of number, before Frege, a tissue of nonsense in the strictest sense of the term "nonsense".
From Frege's work it followed that arithmetic, and pure mathematics generally, is nothing but a prolongations of deductive logic. This disproved Kant's theory that arithmetical propositions are "synthetic" and involve a reference to time.
The development of pure mathematics fromlogic was set forth in detail in Principia Mathematica, by Whitehead and myself.
Bertrand Russell History of Western Philosophy Chap XXXI
Leibnitz was caricatured as Dr. Pangloss by Voltaire. Dr. Pangloss believed this was the best of all possible worlds and everything happened for the best. Leibnitz only published his lesser works because he sought the approbation of princes and the court. It wasn't till B. Russell unearthed some of Leibnitz's letters and more recondite works that the world came to be better equated with the logical genius of the man. My favorite idea from Leibnitz is the Characteristica Universalis wherein he proposed a sort of calculus cum esperanto which he thought would allow all issues to be made amenable to purely logical resolution. He suggested metaphysical issues could be resolved by persons taking out their pencils (or quills) and sitting down like accountants. "Gentlemen let us calculate" was his battle cry. You can begin to see why Russell, who along with Whitehead authored Principia Mathematica in an effort to base logic in arithmetic, would think Leibnitz to be the supreme logical mind of all time.
42... actually if you read 'The White Goddess' by Robert Graves you'll discover 42 is the numerical sign of the Christ... not the christian Christ but the more ancient concept of man made Logos, the ancient Greek concept of the mind made luminescent as reason.
And when Kali dances on the dead body of Shiva it will all come to an end. Shiva the last dance for me.
Another line of thought would be to entertain unfettered imaginings such as those of a mad poet as more likely to stay true to the lines inherent in the 'mind's' ability to grok the universe. We are products of the universe and the laws of the universe hold for us as for all other 'things'. It may be that when one of us is in tune with things we are more likely to come up with what is actually 'out there'. just a thought please excuse all the quotation marks. cheers
Emacs.
The notion that a thing can exist in multiple locations at the same time is counter-intuitive.It's incredebly useful, but not the sort of thing a lot of people are going to "get".
The Universe knows this and you're right most of us don't get it.The Panamania Government has decreed all citizens are to wear tin foil hats to block telepathic circumvention of POTS.
"Today's decision provides certainty and stability to a vital sector of America's economy," Ashcroft said.
What, Adam, what about pornography?
Do you need to refer to yourself in the third person Adam? Is it because you've sinned ? Are you a sinner Adam? Control your evil self... control Adam control him... God's watching you Adam.
Computing will be made into a utility like hydro and the closest most users will get to a computer as we know it will be a wall socket. This will happen because big business and government want it to happen, because like bank robbers to banks, they know that's where the money is. The only recourse will be to go off the grid. Like many farmers are now going off the hydro grid and turning to wind and solar power we will have to go off the grid perhaps forming co-ops, credit unions and other institutions to allow us to access the big business and government run net while not being subject to the strictures. Maybe an independent satellite grid?
It's about maturity both on the part of the product and the posters. Using a trite analogy, like a good wine, any product needs time to mature and so do many Linux zealots. Geeks by their nature like to fiddle with things ;) so applying endless patches isn't necessarily a bad thing. Every Linux luser wants to be a kernel hacker but without the time and resources applying endless patches and reading the arcanum is a vicarious kernel hacker's high. MS needs to get product to the market and stay ahead of the competition, they're in a race and too often the product is left to mature in the market place. But the people who use windoze use it mainly because they want a one click answer even if that answer is shrouded in equivocation. It's a different mind set. And when Linux does grow to take larger and larger market share the users will want pat SP like resolutions to problems while here we will nitpick and complain that back in the day things were better without the concerns of too many lusers being addressed over the real requirements of the OS.
It's critically important one know how to distinguish between modern, post-modern, neo-modern and ultra-modern
Alexander: "This may sound strange, but I'm not really a heavy user of Gnome... Since I'm mainly a developer my desktop tends to be half-broken most of the time, and the applications I use most are emacs, terminals and a mail-reader"
. If Linux wasn't the real deal, Microsoft wouldn't have to worry about it.
I'm not disagreeing with your position but I think it serves to bear in mind MicroSoft's court woes as a monopoly. I don't doubt that it serves their case well to label an alternative, free OS and software as enemy no.1
Slashdot on the controversy
Emacs
It's a numbers game either way. Rough estimates has about 100 billion other suns in the Galaxy. If an assumption is made that our planet is not too unique then the numbers would suggest life should have arisen around a good number of the 100 billion suns. If given our current technology it would take 10,000 years to reach the nearest star then the Galaxy could be seeded in about 10 million years. Any way you cut it I hope you're right. We need all the help we can get. Although I recall reading somewhere S. Hawkings said that if they come they will come like Conquistadors.
:)
cheers
Here at home it's taken about 4 Billion years for the technology to evolve allowing for an intelligent search for extraterrestrial life. If the Galaxy is 14 billion years old then older technologies should have at least sparsely spread over the Galaxy by now. Numerically, with a few long shots, it looks like we're alone around here. But hey, metaphysically we're the Universe on a course of self discovery. Not bad for a bunch 'o apes that lost the forest on the savannah and stood up to take a look around. Unless you go with the idea evolution of sentient beings follows a path akin to an EMF, sort of a take on the idea of a thought thinking itself a la Spinoza's take on God. (although I think the idea of a thought thinking itself as a definition of God goes back to one of the ancient Greeks, probably one of the neoplatonist, maybe Plotinus?)
You wrote: "since most Europeans can trace their ancestors back to a very small group of perhaps a dozen Ice Age survivors."
I know this is the case for my family (german/danish). We've traced our family line on both sides to a brother and sister who barely avoided a slow cold death by crossing the Alps into the area around Cannes.
I see a room of corporate *comers* jacked on cappuccino and expensive cologne wanting to come up with something with _snap_ and "a sense of community" like /.