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Unfinished Adventures
Obiwan Kenobi writes "Just Adventure has an interesting article on unfinished games that were nixed in mid-development. Amongst the casualties are incomplete trilogies, an off beat 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea game, Blizzard's ill-fated Warcraft Adventures and the Star Trek title "Secret of Vulcan Fury.""
The list is only half there, as this is an unfinished article.
... I don't think the Vulcans would have much of a feeling about Vulcan Fury. It wouldn't be logical. The title doesn't make much sense either.
-Rusty
You never know...
I always have great plans to make some sweet ass game. As a programming student i get myself way in over my head and end up scratching it long before it becomes playable. Typical problem or not organizing and shooting too high.
It makes me think that i dont wanna do coding as a living becuase if i actually did make progress and someone cancled my work it would not be very fun at all.
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Amongst the casualties are incomplete trilogies, an off beat 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea game, Blizzard's ill-fated Warcraft Adventures and the Star Trek title "Secret of Vulcan Fury.""
They forgot Duke Nukem Forever
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... hunger in the world has become a major problem so research teams are studying sites on the sea floor for potential undersea farming.
:-(
Oh man, that sounds like it could have been greaat fun, I'm SO SORRY that project was nixed, I could really go for some UNDERWATER FARMING right now! What a shame.
I thought that Vulcan's Fury got shelved because De Kelly got ill and then died before it was finished.
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Why no mention of DNF? When it was cancelled earlier this year (early Sept?) it marked the death of one of the most awaited games of all time.
Actually, while everything they said about Warcraft Adventures was true, they did leave out one bit of information: the storyline was too important to the Warcraft mythos to drop entirely. Warcraft Adventures was later reworked and became the book Lord of the Clans by Christie Golden. The events of the book are also referenced in the orcs' backstory in Warcraft III.
Just my $.02...
Some would say that Ultima IX was never finished...
- DDT
So long, michael. Don't let the door hit you...
Team Fortress II to be the headliner ;-)
Since these projects were nix'd, perhaps someone should email the companies and ask them to open up the source so others can benefit from them. Note it would make good PR. Ok maybe not SOMEONE, but perhaps EVERYONE!;P!
It seems like such a waste having all those resources put into games just to have the it scraped in the end. Why doesn't the game developing community just make the unfinished code open-source and set up a sourceforge project around it :-) i could imagine some pretty cool games coming about this way.
--david
There's no mention of PC based Halo (bought by the great Satan to promote a substandard console...'nother story tho'), Mac OS9 ports of Half-Life, OSX ports of everything, Linux ports of Starcraft/DiabloII/DeusEx, etc... At the risk of sounding a troll, compared to these titles, I could care less about those listed in the article. Interesting read nonetheless.
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These games are among a plethora of unfinished adventures, to name a few: [...] Leisure Suit Larry 8...
Leisure Suit Larry! Who can guess why this game was canceled? Give this a try.
I still remember the B5 space combat sim being deep-sixed by Sierra. Too bad, as it looked like a good game in the making with something close to realistic physics.
Someday, you're going to die. Get over it.
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We might be able to add this one to the list. It looks like this will (unfortunately) be vaporware and only live on through fan-created fiction...
A shame 'cause it is truly a great franchise.
I am shocked that he left out "Babylon 5" blah blah.
Seriously though, I was looking forward to that game, and I rarely look forward to any video game.
Computer Science is no more about computers than astronomy is about telescopes. --E. W. Dijkstra
if you can beat this game before January 1st.
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
Games getting cancelled happens all the time in the console games world too, it seems. Luckily, on consoles, it is common for a prototype or two to survive.
:-(
Take Earthbound 0, for example. Some of you may remember the SNES game Earthbound, but it comes from a NES game known as Mother in Japan. Nintendo of America finished translating the game but never released it. Fortunatley, it has been dumped.
Countless prototype games have been dumped that may never have been able to see their light of day. Recently, Star Fox 2 for the SNES was dumped too.
Unfortunatley, playing these dumps is illegal as is distributing them.
Also, I wish some prototypes would surface for my favorite console, the Virtual Boy!
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Are open source projects ever really finished? The constantly evolve, gaining new features as they are needed. this for example has been updated 4 times in the past 5 days as evidenced by news postings here.
As the author I can attest that one hell of an update will be ready when I get home, along with some "political corrections". To compensate for the "political corrections", I'll make LibertarianTux playable.
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
Overall, my eyes are dry. With the exception of Secret Of Vulcan Fury, all the other games were cancelled or died for good reason. I'd much rather have a cemetery full of unreleased poopy games than a shelf full of them.
Although it isn't an Adventure game, Earthbound 64 lingered too long in development and was nixed by Nintendo. MANY fans were anger/saddened/enfuriated and still want it to come back.
what about descent 4?
the earlier descent games were fabulous
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was when the text-parser was axed. Adventure games lost the most of their expressiveness and became a game of "Click all the current screens with all your current items to advance" whenever you got stuck, because in the end, that was your only way of interacting with the environment. Maniac Mansion style games were a bit better, but were still a long way off of text-parser style action. Parsers gave the game authors so much more flexibility as to what could be done, and gave the player so much more to do and explore, that there isn't really any comparison between the games of yore and all the rodent infested ones that came after ^_^;
Or maybe it's just me...
I remember playing Wasteland on the ol' C64. It was one of the few games that I got hooked on and actually finished. It was very similar to the Bard's Tale genre of games, being a text adventure with a few graphics thrown in. I'm feeling nostalgic about it right now and wish I still had a copy.
This is the first time I've ever heard about Meantime. I did a quick Google search on it and found this tidbit of info about the game:
Meantime: The Unfinished Official Sequel to Wasteland
It's too bad that the sequel fell through, it would've been interesting for sure. Fallout is a great (if unofficial) sequel. One of the first things I remember thinking about after hearing about it was 'Cool, it's just like Wasteland!' Little did I realize then how much of a connection the two games actually have.
Duh! I hear it's going to blow the socks off of everything else in the market when it comes out. I can't wait! ;)
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I'm not sure how Warcraft Adventure would've turned out, but after seeing side scrolling action/adventure type games that I grew up on like The Lost Vikings and Blackthorne, two very nicely done games, I'm sure I would have enjoyed it too. As a side note though, for those that agree with my opinion of how great those two games are, here's an announcement detailing their rerelease for the Game Boy Advance. GBA's run only 60-70 or even cheaper on eBay, last I checked, so this might actually convince me to pick one up. It does not take movie-like graphics and a huge staff to come up with a highly addicting, amusing/entertaining, well-done game.
Does anyone ever pick up games that were abandoned? I am still hoping this game will one day come out :)
planet's edge was supposed to have a sequel.. so was manhunter 2..... and the buck rogers SSI series was supposed to be a trilogy..
;-)
im confident those aren't mentioned in the article, which i'll go read now
This reminds me of an andy warhol painting or something...
In way it captures the essence of the slashdot experience.
They forgot Champions and the beginning of the super hero computer game curse.
They're talking about ADVENTURE GAMES?!
Yes it was.
Laws are for people with no friends.
(1) Sierra was creating Middle Earth MMORPG for several years before scrapping it. It couldn't straddle the Old and New Sierra eras (the latter being an era where Sierra Doesn't Exist, from the point of view of an old timer).
(2) Worldplay Games spent millions making Cyberpark, an online MMORPG and virtual environment. The project was bought by AOL which eventually cancelled it. The technology was functional and could house thousands of people, but which floundered over business model concerns at AOL and a related lack of direction. I still don't think that the current MMORPG have as good of a hosting architecture... but I'm biased.
Indeed, this is the frustrating thing about the game industy, there is a ton of work thrown away or spoiled.
-pyrrho
I have boycotted Sierra ever since. Not only did they kill the game, they chose to throw away the work done instead of selling it to someone who would finish the game. A group of the original developers formed a company and tried to finish it independently, but Sierra would not cooperate. Since Sierra held the B5 license, they not only killed this game, they killed any hope of someone else doing a B5 flight sim.
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Midway (who bought Atari arcade) is still guarding the rights to Marble Madness 2, so it seems you won't be seeing ROMs for it anytime soon. Fully designed games that only a lucky few people can play. Sad.
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I was like, working and on the game, and then it beep beep beep, I lost everything, it like, totally sucked...
I did finish the game, but it just wasn't as good...
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Neither of those games are.
A lot of people are saying "What about ?" The article was about canceled *ADVENTURE* games. The whole point of the article was that adventure game fans get shat on. Any potentially good seller gets canned before it can come out. On that note, I personally don't get adventure games. I don't think I've ever played a good one.
Ultima Online - anyone know when that will be out? ;)
I've seen my share of failed muds, and I've even given some the coathanger myself.
The parent makes a very key point - not organizing and/or shooting too high are the two things that will kill development. Not only of games, but of any programming project.
Hopefully they'll finally release Swordquest:Airworld so I'll have a crack at that sword! I mean, it's been, like, 18 years!
Collective Studios (www.collectivestudios.com) was going to make an Aeon Flux game a few years back... but then they stopped development for some crazy reason :(
An aeon flux game, if done well enough, could have owned in so many ways...so very many ways
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The adventure game is almost dead. I have a belief that it will come back one day, in some form, but nobody's interested in it for now.
Regardless, I got a bunch of my friends acting, took a whole lot of photos and video, coded my own engine, and I'm really proud to say that my own game, The Sydney Mystery, is finished!
I'm just working out how I'll release it, but there should be at least a demo available soon after Christmas. It was a huge amount of work, but a huge amount of fun to make. I hope the indie scene keeps adventures alive.
Check out the (currently hidden) website at www.twilightsoftware.com/sydneymystery
And feel free to email me if you have any questions about what it was like to make this thing.
I know a lot of RPG geeks are awaiting a new game in the Lunar series and are still wanting to know if all plans for Lunar 3 are cancelled, or if there will one day be a new Lunar game.
There has been rumor after rumor regarding Lunar 3. After Lunar 2: Eternal Blue Complete came out for Playstation in the US, there were statements coming from both Game Arts (the Japanese makers of Lunar) and Working Designs (who localized the Lunar games for the Sega CD and PS) that we would soon see work beginning on Lunar 3, probably for the Playstation 2.
It has been 2 years since Lunar 2: Eternal Blue Complete has come out, and no new information can be obtained about Lunar 3. Working Designs has been silent about the issue, and there doesn't seem to be anything from Game Arts on it.
Lunar Legends for GBA is translated by UbiSoft (probably because WD doesn't have the lisence to do GBA games), but that is a remake of Lunar 1, not a sequel.
It seems like Lunar 3 would be an instant hit, but both Working Designs and Game Arts have been silent about it.
About two weeks ago I saw a message regarding Lunar Legends on the Working Designs message board. It was explained that Working Designs had sold the rights to some of their original Lunar content back to Game Arts (Working designs apparently owned the rights to some of the things they did in their localization, including the name of the White Dragon, Quark) so that this stuff could be included in the US GBA version of Lunar Legend.
Someone on the board asked if this transfer of the rights meant there would be no Lunar 3, to which I did not see an answer.
What was not clear to me was if Working Designs had really SOLD the rights to these things back to Game Arts, or if they had LISENCED these things.
I'm really starting to believe that Game Arts has perhaps abandonded the idea of making Lunar 3. If Game Arts really has abandoned the idea of Lunar 3, then it explains why Working Designs would easily want to sell back otherwise useless IP for some quick cash.
I hope that this is not the case, but it seems like it may be.
"You spoony bard!" -Tellah
The curse ended with the release of Freedom Force earlier this year. Hailed by critics, applauded by fans, Irrational Games finally did the superhero genre right. Fans have made mods for Avengers, JLA, Spider-Man, and more. Good game, good fan base, no curse.
What about games that underwent major overhauls before they were finished...like the origonal version of Syndicate for the Amiga?
Or even the unreleased adventure games for 8-bit machines...I seem to remember an unreleased "Battle Tech" game... (these tended to be "unfinished" as well)
What about the upgraded Hired Guns (3D) for the Amiga/PC?
Then we've got unfinished/unreleased games for various consoles like the CD32...
Come to think of it...this must be the short list(everything is from the 90's)...where can one find a more complete list of "unfinished adventures"???
Please post a Microsoft bashing article - oh how we love them.
include: An Afternoon at Grandma's House. Checkers2000 Narcoleptic Martha Stewart's Rockin' Cookin' Bibleman
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Looks like version 1.0 of the Microsoft Troll AutoPoster. Needs a little work, but they'll get there...
KROYKAH!
To read the story of the missing LSL4 game straight from the developer's (Al Lowe) mouth, check out Lesiure Suit Larry 4 and Why Larry 5?.
Fairly interesting story -- What was supposed to be LSL4, ended up morphing into The Sierra Network, and then getting sold to AT&T for $100 million (and then getting resold to AOL for $10 million).
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The next level of the Sklyarov campaign is about to start.
Here is one this hit the cutting room floor.
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A sci fi trivia fact is modded once.
Some jackass making some vapid flamebait joke about someone who knows a little trivia, is modded to the rooftop.
What's wrong with this picture..?
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The Sierra chick came in and was showing me some stuff they were working on - a little rendered (Actual Game Screens!) movie about a game called Outpost. It was supposed to be the end-all of simulation/strategy/resource management games. It looked really cool, and the Sierra chick told me about all the things you were going to be able to do in it.
A couple of years passed, and Outpost finally came out. PC Gamer reamed it a new one, and so did this guy. All the features I heard and looked forward to were gone. In their place, a sterile, unfun, buggy pile.
Outpost 2 came out to much better reviews, and there was talk of Outpost 3, but as all the links to it are dead, I believe that this may go in the 'Unfinished Adventures' catagory.
The whole point of the article was adventure/RPGs that were never released.
:-)
Unlike an action game, when an adventure game gets canceled, any storylines that would've been resolved are left unfinished.
And to Donut: the X-Box is just a warmed over PC circa 1999. So nyah
I have heard that a couple of years ago microsoft paid big bucks for the rights to make three games based on the movie AI, but after people in the company saw the movie all three games in production were cancelled. Can't make games based on a turkey of a movie I guess.
Duke Nukem Forever wasn't an adventure game. RTFA. If we were going to get into non-adventure games that ended up being vaporware, there's some other real biggies out there... let's see... anyone recall that first person RPG (I think), something like Soul ... it was being betad in the early 90s, its big claim to fame was that they apparently coded it 100% in assembly for maximum frame rate on the 486's of the day...
What other ones... hmm... Mario 4 on the old NES, Combat II on the Atari 2600... I'm trying to avoid naming a bunch of other console games, since the article focuses on PC games...
There was an article like this in PC Gamer a few years ago, maybe later I'll dig it out and "remember" a few more.
Also another unfinished trilogy, the wonderful Freespace series.
Volition made two of the greatest space sim fighter games with good storylines. They put in a nice cliffhanger at the end of Freespace 2, then that was it.
They said not enough copies were sold of Freespace 2 (Which I would blame on bad marketing) for Interplay to warrant a third. So everyone who was a fan of the game was left with an unfinished story.
Just a brief reflection... I can't believe they forgot to mention what may be the true classic old school vaporware RPG: Champions. I'm not really in the mood to karma whore so I won't bother summarizing the article - but anyone on the boards who's a true furry-toothed geek will remember getting all sweaty, hot, and bothered over this game way back in '91. ;)
Go to fansforultima.com and download the fan created patches for Ultima 9. If you're an Ultima fan, you owe it to yourself to see a proper ending to the great series.
The dialogue patch completely fills in the gaping plot holes of U9, and doesn't treat the player like a complete Ultima newbie. The monster and economy patches help out with game balance.
Best of all, an anonymous fan created a patch that addresses just about every technical problem in the game.
Take a few minutes and download those patches, and you'll see how good Ultima 9 should have been.
SimsVille was a cross between The Sims and Sim City. It offered both a macroscopic view of a town where you could manage Sim life on a neighborhood level and a microscopic one where you could manage Sims and families (although not as granular as you can in The Sims). It died a horrible death sometime in 2001 after Maxis decided it conflicted with what they were already doing with The Sims, Sim City and the upcoming Sims Online. Apparently it was pretty much in a pre-release stage but who knows if anyone will ever see it.
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Don't forget Battlecruiser 3000!!!
God, I wish I had mod points. Keep up the good work sir!
...Team Fortress 2... ^^
The original was good.
Starcon2 was awesome.
Then a bastardized game called star control 3 came out and all hope was lost.
4 was in the works but got scrapped due to rumors that it would be another wing commander.
Then there is "the ur-quan masters", currently just a port of the 3D0 version but still amazing.
http://sc2.sourceforge.net/
(btw,the alpha was just released!)
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PC Gamer did not "ream it a new one." PC GAMER gave Outpost a 93% -- one of their highest ratings ever! When asked about this around the time Outpost 2 came out, they said that no one who worked there way back then was still around to explain the bizarre score. I don't really hold the current magazine responsible for that drivel, but PC GAMER has always been a tad less reliable than other major PC game magazines. Having said that, it is much prettier than other mags; like pr0n, I may occasionally read the articles but usually just look at the pictures.
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If the companies were to release these games in their unfinished state for any developers who might want to have a try at them. Could we possibly resurrect some of those? I don't think the corporates would be too willing, but they lose nothing.
*sigh* Golgotha, Crack Dot Com's last game. A long-waited game, and something I decided I would be buying a 3D card for... and eventually picked up a cheap Voodoo 1 and the demo just *rocked* with it. =) The good news in its case was that the source code and data was released later...
A cross between a RTS and FPS. Too bad it didn't fly; I heard that even the Battlezone remake (similar game from same period of time) didn't sell too well, even when I loved it =)
I'm old enough (31) to know what an adventure game is, and I have both Infocom Collections (containing all games except Leather Goddesses) sitting on my shelves (and played quite a few of them by now). For the record, that's more games than all other games in my collection put together.
Even so I'd argue against any definition of 'adventure' that means 'text only', especially for those pricks who seem to think that having a title screen, or a bold typeface somewhere or perhaps a dropcap means a game is not an adventure anymore (in case you are wondering, I am also old enough to remember *those* flamewars).
So what makes a game an adventure game? I usually apply the following three criteria:
1. There must be a sufficiently deep storyline driving the game (thus disqualifying simulations, MUDs, Diablo, most FPS'es, racing games, some RPG's, etc.).
2. There must be a sufficient degree of freedom in what to explore at what time (thus disqualifying many on-rails games, including some that are text-only).
3. There must be sufficient interaction with the environment ('shoot everything' does not count!).
Modern adventures include games such as Deus Ex and System Shock 2, despite having a 3D engine and a shitload of weapons. Many bulletin boards indicate people are craving this type of game, but software makers are NOT catering to their wishes. Instead they pump out games that look the same but fail any number of the 3 criteria.
But the adventure is not dead. Instead it has just morphed into a new form.
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I mean, one other than that piece of shit they shoveled to us as "Star Control 3."
I was expecting at least a mention to the "Magic Wars" Zork trilogy in the article, or at least in the comments...
*sigh* It seems like Activision have been successful in burying Infocom.
The demise of the legendary AR series was much more of a loss to me (and many other fanatic players, I presume). Only 2 out of 7(?) parts were released and judging from Philip Price's obvious talents, all 7 would have been worthwhile. There was an attempt around 1995 to develop "Alternate Reality Online" (www.aro.com, now defunct) by Philip Price and Gary Gilbertson (the 2 people responsible for the first AR game, AFAIK), but apparently it never went far.
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Infocom put out a semi-relational database called "Cornerstone" which was based on their text adventure engine. It ran on DOS. It was actually a fairly workable proggie that didn't require the user to be a 'leet DBaseII programmer. I used it to keep track of invitees to my wedding and send thank-you cards for the gifts said invitees gave. This was back in 1987...I don't think Cornerstone lasted long after that.
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The crazy reason why the Aeon Flux video game was cancelled was the demise of Viacom Interactive. However, the game was a piece of crap. Bad controls! Bad, bad! ;-)
Also, around that time, a game called "Tomb Raider" came out. TR basically was what the AF video game should have been, without the kink factor.
Simon And Schuster/MTV Networks should have bought the Tomb Raider engine and redid the AF game as a TR mod. However, since the AF series was cancelled after only one season (just like MTV did to Downtown, alas...) I'm sure it was commercially moot by then.
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Was done by Amiga Artist Jim Sachs, who did a lot of great games like 'Defender of the Crown'. Damn I miss the Amiga. Why don't we ever hear about the new Amigas on Slashdot?
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I've been waiting 20 years for 'Miner Willy meets the Taxman' - the sequel to Manic Miner. I'm becoming increasingly concerned that it will never appear...
I have an idea for the ultimate video game! Picture a dotted line down the middle of a rectangular field, where two line segments hit a small square back and forth in a virtual game of table tennis. Here is a link to what I have so far.
How ya like dat?
With Presto's demise last week, who knows what will happen to the rights to Journeyman Project 4. The script exists, but not much beyond that. The developers were waiting on permission to make it after Myst III, but instead worked on Whacked for the XBox.
Seriously.. I have been trying to come up with a list of the best games for linux, and couldn't find any worthwile sports games at all... except cannonsmash.. where is football,baseball,hockey.. etc... Can anyone point me in the right direction ?
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Once, they got very mad. The end.
Doesn't take years of development, eh? Come on!
Quid latine dictum sit, altum viditur.
Anything said in Latin, sounds profound.
While no offical announcment has been made, the guys at Black Isle love Fallout. The CEO over there has said time and again that it will happen when they get the money to do it right.
Sierra wasn't the only one making a Lord Of The Rings game. I believe EA or Sony was working on one long before that (early-mid 90s) that also got canned according to a friend who worked on it.
so what. the game industry is entertainment. games are the same as movies and TV shows. how many of those get started and never completed or released? tons. it is to be expected. (and seriously demoralizing for those working in the industry when their project disappears).
... of course, this probably only happens for tcsh which uses wait4(),
which is why I never saw it. Serves people who use that abomination
right 8^)
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