m13 worked fine for me, but when I set the font in 8pt, I can set it back up. the background color can't be set back either. I'll stick with Netscape 3.04 for me.
btw for those die hard IE defender, IE5 can't set up with junkbuster at all. I get all my other 3 browser set up.
Why do you want to do that? Why don't you support the v2 assembly OS as well? The only thing go against Windows the desktop OS is that it charges your first born to use it and ties you with low quanlity stuff. The reason people use linux is that they can never take it away frem you.
Be can always take around and charge your ass. IBM has already taken os/2 away from the users. What exactly is the justification you have to support these OSes? That you can't apply to V2 the assembly OS?
Tell me about it! I spent $70 to buy a modem for linux, (there are probably cheaper modem, but that's the only one label "linux compatible" in CompUSA) and then I fount out the cheap box running SiS 6326 video card. Nothing graphical works. I'm stick with a shell and I don't even remember what shell OpenLinux defaulted it for me. Now I have to buy a used Matrox video card just to run linux. These winhardware just won't leave me alone.
Can you tell me how to dial up netzero with ppp, I'm getting a grandfather grade ibm 14.4 pcmcia "Lin modem" and longing forward to use free internet under linux.
(yeah I know freewwweb, I just want to know how to curious about netzero's ppp connection.)
Ar stechnica I never did post in there. But I like to read the Lounge, which just broken down:)
A bit of a Windows Pub, but the forum allow livelier html tags. I still don't understand why there aren't people start slashdotted.org yet, host bitter submitters' rejected articles and all. I like/. keep the way it is, don't "deja" youself rob.
From my libretto 110 (P223 32M) and Celeron 333 32M, the speed of the browsers work like this: -------------------------------------------- NN 4 (slowest, ok the slowest is really the tedious IE3)
IE4 NN4.5-4.7 (not much faster, but I gotten used to the "scolling" feel)
IE 5 (very, very fast when it was released)
NN3.04 (really my day-to-day browsing machine, reason being the page are as solid as a bitmap after render, where IE5 will "shake" when the page wide is wider then the screen; I havn't turn the java on in 3 months, javascript is off too. NN3.04 is the easiest browser to turn off image, which counts alot. Whenever I need javascript browering, I use IE5 or NN4.7) -------------------------------------------
Now where do I place lynx for win32? probably slightly slower than IE5, yeah you heard it right. Its "stop" button "Z" key don't respond very well, which make it not very useful.
I try NN0.9 the other day. I love the render speed, it's like lynx with picture. If it wasn't for the lack of shortcuts, I would have moved (back) to NN0.9
The Opera 3 I try decades ago doesn't impress me much. And I start downloading Milestne since M10. They were all very slow. M10 was practically slower than NN4. M11 M12 were faster, but they were swaping harddisk like defragmenting or something.
Now back to M13, brother. Its speed shocks me. It is the fastest browser I'd ever use for my machines yet. It has so much improvement over the last 2 milestones that it just leap beyond my comprehension. (cue Beethveen's Ninth Symphony, Fourth Movement right now) It's definitely one step faster than IE5 and have every good approach IE5 uses.
Note I said according to my machine, I have no idea why last milestone didn't work for me. So there.
I'm not particularly happy with the design choices (mail and news in a Web browser? Come on!)
This is popular sentiment in/. However, there is at least one person (me) in the world believes that not only you should put editor and mail client on a browser, you might as well throw in irc and word processor in it as well. I use pop3 email 1-2 times a day (cause I need to use web mail too), irc 1-2 times a week (really) and even less frequency for word processing. I don't see the reason to use a sepatare instant messanger at all.
As far as the option of trunning them off before start (or even better, before compile) is presented, you people should stop whining.
I'm not particularly happy with the design choices (mail and news in a Web browser? Come on!)
This is popular sentiment in/. However, there is a least one person (me) in the world believes that not only you should put editor and mail client on a browser, you might as well throw in irc and word processor in it as well. I use pop3 email 1-2 times a day (cause I need to use web mail too), irc 1-2 times a week (really) and even less frequency for word processing. I dn't see the reason to use a sepatare instant messanger at all.
As far as the option of trunning them off before start (or even better, before compile), you people should stop whining.
How about building a better junkbuster for a change. If I start the program and other program at the same time, junkbuster usually doesn't work. If I put it on my Startup folder, it will screw up my libretto startup program, and totally remap my keybroad... So, I have to open junkbuster manually everytime window crash me. This is okay but normal people are not going to do it. CY
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I meant mainland chinese newspaper, that clear everything up? I was replying the revious post.
Socialism Realism kick ass! Check out Huang Jianxin's movies "Stand Up Straight, Don't Drop (1992)", "Back to back, Face to Face" (1994) and "Signal Left, Turn Right (1996)"
CY
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Let's take your argument and run with it. If their monthly salary is $200, it will take only 2 months salary to buy a computer (with or without MSN's rebate:) What you don't realize is that none of the Chinese will buy a car anytime soon, because 1) the road condition can't afford so much car 2) the dense population makes every person very close to his/her workplace. We have bicycle remember. 3) Mass transit, subways are building.
I havs seen so much Chinese FDU that I don't bother the clearing the flams anymore. A lot of time the flamer simply got the number wrong DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY CAN STILL ACCUSE CHINA WITH THE CORECT NUMBER. US wants a enemy, fine with me.
Here is some personal experience for you. When I was going to high school, I got a 286 (that's right after "June the Fouth", I remember it) Soon upgrade to color moniter, harddrive. (You can't see porn with b&w mind you) I think there were 4-5 people I know in two classes has computer at that time. 2,3 years later I buy a 386 upgrade to fucking 4meg memoy (Sold the 286 to somebody at 70% of the original price, my mom wasn't happy about. What she didn't know was we got a bargin.) I remember I pay goddamn 200rmb to add that extra 2 meg because I need it to play a game. Not a real computer geek mind you. That was between dos 5.0 and 6.X By that time there were err... 40% of my classmates has computer. Some of them can even play vcd. Bootleg cd were flooding. I was in GuangZhou. My parents were by no mean employers of private own industry. My father was the manager of a government-own calender publishing factory.
My high school was a pretty conservative "good" school (as in, one of the 10 best in Guang Zhou). Everyone can get in the school if you pass that elementary school final "Grand Exam". About 5% to 10% of them gets in the school with lower score than the cut line. For example, some of them are childrens of staff in air force Guang Zhou Base. Of course, you score has to be close. Otherwise you can't keep up with the courses. Since we (the school) has affliation with the air base, we get to go "2 week bootcamp" in their facility. For small stuff like this, every principle has to figure out his network for the school him/herself. Basically what I'm saying is that my high school doens't have a lot of rich kids whose parents are actually work for themselves (actually, I only know one.) and still a lot of them can afford a computer.
I went back for a visit 2 year after I came to NY, (1996?) I thought 80% of them has computer. What you don't realize is that in China there's a lot of thing you can't buy. So when people have money, they will probable buy computer, afte vcr, tv, fridge, camcoder and now dvd. It's not Chinese has same kind of technology fetish as the japanese, but high tech (and education) is always overrated in developing country and especially in china. They can't afford or don't need internet (local internet usd$5 per month btw) they just buy the computer for the novelty of it. Yeah you heard it right, technology has become a novelty. People can't do too much religion anyway, what else can they workship? (People in third world never get to see the ugly side of new tech ala DVIX & BETAMAX, new format war always battle it out in US before going out to conquer the world.)
Chen Ye
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Except that newspapers never admit any mistakes. They just never mention it again. Offically newspaper never openly point out other newspaper's mistake, but everyone of them belong to different gangs. (Yeah, when I was in GuangZhou, I had read news that Madonna had gotten AIDS. Sometime you don't realized they are national enquirer quality.)
Although the YangCheng Everning News (Guang Zhou's nickname's City of Lamb, pronounce YangCheng) is very big. Kind of NY Daily News's respective scale and target audiance. I hope it's just a simply mistake. Banning a big capitalist campany's product is very very wrong fundamentally. Especailly in Canton. I though we don't have the zealotry of south korean?
That one uses b&w screen and filtered html code. The whole thing of using mozilla is that you don't have to strip down the code and choose any isp you like. (assuming it comes with a local phone plan.) I say $500 is good enough to support a color screen. And if they use touch screen, on screen keybroad is not that bad ala webtv.
Is not that there is no good way to input Chinese character. It's just that there are 20-50+ decent methods and no one is significantly better than the other.
Since there are a few thousand common chinese character, a page of chinese contain more information than a page of English. How many people need to type high speed at work anyway? I don't think that's a big problem.
I use pin-yin too. Any other methods need some training, it's not worth it if you don't write everyday. Even shorthand pin-yin or dumb-proof pin-yin is much faster, I just too lazy to learn (the distinction between "sh" and "s" is killing us cantonese, not that cantonese pronounciation spelling is better.) I always think that voice regoniztion can leap over the chinese input issue. I think it needs a rather powerful machine like a pentium III and such. It's reachable in 5 years.
btw, a lot of culture has given up Pictographic writing like Vietnam, Korean and (sort of) Japanese. Chinese are not likely to change Shu-Fa (calligraphy) any time soon.
Second, the link you give doesn't support Netscape 3's javascript
And then "too much process running." Three strike I'm out. If the website is so ignorance, how can you expect the hardware manufacctories NOT be ignorances?
"Well we'll only focus on the most popula OS." "Well we'll only focus on the popular versions of the browsers..."
Just curious, how mach space you can use in the 32M after the MS word stuff? And how long can it play 128k mp3 continuously after full chage? How long is a full charge? Can it use other battery? Can the screen shut off to save power when playing mp3?
I agree with you. It's like 911, they never abandon the design, with only a few favorite change for a new model every year.
I think Palm should never stop using the name Palm III, and make a new model every season or so. Use up all the letters first. (IIIk for kids, with Pokemon; IIIq for the special edition of next Bond product placement. IIIr for a more powerful IR, that has the range of a regular remote (please, I want that!); IIIg for geeks, with all kind of "useful" slots like smartmedia, CF card, springbroad, simple voice recogniztion and dail tone (well they make lame color cases themselves to complete with handsprind, of course they will make a dail tone to complete with trg-pro.) BTW besides can accept memory stick, the "cure-all" slot will accidentally accept springbroad and gameboy cartrige! Wow this is geekier than Steve Urkel, bring on the slap-on cross controller and Palmboy away!
when I frist saw my vcr doing forword-rewind after midnight, I thought it was crunching seti@home number sent by the black helicopter. The "aftermach" marking is more of a "mark the beginning of the show 2 second ahead" so it can stop fast forward atperfect ninosecond. This feature is about worth every dollar they charge me. You have no idea how pain in the ass over fast forward is. I'd rather watch the commercial than miss the first 5 second of the show.
Is there any third party manufactory plan to OEM a palm with extra powerful IR port that match the range of a normal remote. I can buy a IIIe-clone just for that.
I'll settle for a springbroad module if it's possible. Please, give me an excuse to buy a palm:)
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If the " ecomony sedan"dsen't crash, that is.
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Don't moms desert a table computer. You IT guys are so selfish.
Cy
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m13 worked fine for me, but when I set the font in 8pt, I can set it back up. the background color can't be set back either. I'll stick with Netscape 3.04 for me.
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btw for those die hard IE defender, IE5 can't set up with junkbuster at all. I get all my other 3 browser set up.
CY
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Why do you want to do that? Why don't you support the v2 assembly OS as well? The only thing go against Windows the desktop OS is that it charges your first born to use it and ties you with low quanlity stuff. The reason people use linux is that they can never take it away frem you.
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Be can always take around and charge your ass. IBM has already taken os/2 away from the users. What exactly is the justification you have to support these OSes? That you can't apply to V2 the assembly OS?
cy
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Tell me about it! I spent $70 to buy a modem for linux, (there are probably cheaper modem, but that's the only one label "linux compatible" in CompUSA) and then I fount out the cheap box running SiS 6326 video card. Nothing graphical works. I'm stick with a shell and I don't even remember what shell OpenLinux defaulted it for me. Now I have to buy a used Matrox video card just to run linux. These winhardware just won't leave me alone.
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cy
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Can you tell me how to dial up netzero with ppp, I'm getting a grandfather grade ibm 14.4 pcmcia "Lin modem" and longing forward to use free internet under linux.
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(yeah I know freewwweb, I just want to know how to curious about netzero's ppp connection.)
CY
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Ar stechnica I never did post in there. But I like to read the Lounge, which just broken down :)
/. keep the way it is, don't "deja" youself rob.
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A bit of a Windows Pub, but the forum allow livelier html tags. I still don't understand why there aren't people start slashdotted.org yet, host bitter submitters' rejected articles and all.
I like
CY
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You mean like innerHTML?
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From my libretto 110 (P223 32M) and Celeron 333 32M, the speed of the browsers work like this:
/_____\. .......|
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NN 4 (slowest, ok the slowest is really the tedious IE3)
IE4
NN4.5-4.7 (not much faster, but I gotten used to the "scolling" feel)
IE 5 (very, very fast when it was released)
NN3.04 (really my day-to-day browsing machine, reason being the page are as solid as a bitmap after render, where IE5 will "shake" when the page wide is wider then the screen; I havn't turn the java on in 3 months, javascript is off too. NN3.04 is the easiest browser to turn off image, which counts alot. Whenever I need javascript browering, I use IE5 or NN4.7)
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Now where do I place lynx for win32? probably slightly slower than IE5, yeah you heard it right. Its "stop" button "Z" key don't respond very well, which make it not very useful.
I try NN0.9 the other day. I love the render speed, it's like lynx with picture. If it wasn't for the lack of shortcuts, I would have moved (back) to NN0.9
The Opera 3 I try decades ago doesn't impress me much. And I start downloading Milestne since M10. They were all very slow. M10 was practically slower than NN4. M11 M12 were faster, but they were swaping harddisk like defragmenting or something.
Now back to M13, brother. Its speed shocks me. It is the fastest browser I'd ever use for my machines yet. It has so much improvement over the last 2 milestones that it just leap beyond my comprehension. (cue Beethveen's Ninth Symphony, Fourth Movement right now) It's definitely one step faster than IE5 and have every good approach IE5 uses.
Note I said according to my machine, I have no idea why last milestone didn't work for me. So there.
CY
vvvvvvv../|__/|
...I../O,O....|
...I./
..J|/^.^.^ \..|.._//|
...|^.^.^.^.|W|./oo.|
I'm not particularly happy with the design choices (mail and news in a Web browser? Come on!)
/. However, there is at least one person (me) in the world believes that not only you should put editor and mail client on a browser, you might as well throw in irc and word processor in it as well. I use pop3 email 1-2 times a day (cause I need to use web mail too), irc 1-2 times a week (really) and even less frequency for word processing. I don't see the reason to use a sepatare instant messanger at all.
/_____\. .......|
This is popular sentiment in
As far as the option of trunning them off before start (or even better, before compile) is presented, you people should stop whining.
CY
vvvvvvv../|__/|
...I../O,O....|
...I./
..J|/^.^.^ \..|.._//|
...|^.^.^.^.|W|./oo.|
I'm not particularly happy with the design choices (mail and news in a Web browser? Come on!)
/. However, there is a least one person (me) in the world believes that not only you should put editor and mail client on a browser, you might as well throw in irc and word processor in it as well. I use pop3 email 1-2 times a day (cause I need to use web mail too), irc 1-2 times a week (really) and even less frequency for word processing. I dn't see the reason to use a sepatare instant messanger at all.
/_____\. .......|
This is popular sentiment in
As far as the option of trunning them off before start (or even better, before compile), you people should stop whining.
CY
vvvvvvv../|__/|
...I../O,O....|
...I./
..J|/^.^.^ \..|.._//|
...|^.^.^.^.|W|./oo.|
How about building a better junkbuster for a change. If I start the program and other program at the same time, junkbuster usually doesn't work. If I put it on my Startup folder, it will screw up my libretto startup program, and totally remap my keybroad... So, I have to open junkbuster manually everytime window crash me. This is okay but normal people are not going to do it.
CY
I meant mainland chinese newspaper, that clear everything up? I was replying the revious post.
CY
Socialism Realism kick ass! Check out Huang Jianxin's movies "Stand Up Straight, Don't Drop (1992)", "Back to back, Face to Face" (1994) and "Signal Left, Turn Right (1996)"
CY
Let's take your argument and run with it. If their monthly salary is $200, it will take only 2 months salary to buy a computer (with or without MSN's rebate :) What you don't realize is that none of the Chinese will buy a car anytime soon, because 1) the road condition can't afford so much car 2) the dense population makes every person very close to his/her workplace. We have bicycle remember. 3) Mass transit, subways are building.
I havs seen so much Chinese FDU that I don't bother the clearing the flams anymore. A lot of time the flamer simply got the number wrong DESPITE THE FACT THAT THEY CAN STILL ACCUSE CHINA WITH THE CORECT NUMBER. US wants a enemy, fine with me.
Here is some personal experience for you. When I was going to high school, I got a 286 (that's right after "June the Fouth", I remember it) Soon upgrade to color moniter, harddrive. (You can't see porn with b&w mind you) I think there were 4-5 people I know in two classes has computer at that time. 2,3 years later I buy a 386 upgrade to fucking 4meg memoy (Sold the 286 to somebody at 70% of the original price, my mom wasn't happy about. What she didn't know was we got a bargin.) I remember I pay goddamn 200rmb to add that extra 2 meg because I need it to play a game. Not a real computer geek mind you. That was between dos 5.0 and 6.X By that time there were err... 40% of my classmates has computer. Some of them can even play vcd. Bootleg cd were flooding. I was in GuangZhou. My parents were by no mean employers of private own industry. My father was the manager of a government-own calender publishing factory.
My high school was a pretty conservative "good" school (as in, one of the 10 best in Guang Zhou). Everyone can get in the school if you pass that elementary school final "Grand Exam". About 5% to 10% of them gets in the school with lower score than the cut line. For example, some of them are childrens of staff in air force Guang Zhou Base. Of course, you score has to be close. Otherwise you can't keep up with the courses. Since we (the school) has affliation with the air base, we get to go "2 week bootcamp" in their facility. For small stuff like this, every principle has to figure out his network for the school him/herself. Basically what I'm saying is that my high school doens't have a lot of rich kids whose parents are actually work for themselves (actually, I only know one.) and still a lot of them can afford a computer.
I went back for a visit 2 year after I came to NY, (1996?) I thought 80% of them has computer. What you don't realize is that in China there's a lot of thing you can't buy. So when people have money, they will probable buy computer, afte vcr, tv, fridge, camcoder and now dvd. It's not Chinese has same kind of technology fetish as the japanese, but high tech (and education) is always overrated in developing country and especially in china. They can't afford or don't need internet (local internet usd$5 per month btw) they just buy the computer for the novelty of it. Yeah you heard it right, technology has become a novelty. People can't do too much religion anyway, what else can they workship? (People in third world never get to see the ugly side of new tech ala DVIX & BETAMAX, new format war always battle it out in US before going out to conquer the world.)
Chen Ye
Except that newspapers never admit any mistakes. They just never mention it again. Offically newspaper never openly point out other newspaper's mistake, but everyone of them belong to different gangs. (Yeah, when I was in GuangZhou, I had read news that Madonna had gotten AIDS. Sometime you don't realized they are national enquirer quality.)
Although the YangCheng Everning News (Guang Zhou's nickname's City of Lamb, pronounce YangCheng) is very big. Kind of NY Daily News's respective scale and target audiance. I hope it's just a simply mistake. Banning a big capitalist campany's product is very very wrong fundamentally. Especailly in Canton. I though we don't have the zealotry of south korean?
Chen Ye
I don't I have seen this in /. before. This is the best of slashdot parody yet, better than suckdot. Don't forget to read the comment, it's hysterical.
CY
That one uses b&w screen and filtered html code. The whole thing of using mozilla is that you don't have to strip down the code and choose any isp you like. (assuming it comes with a local phone plan.) I say $500 is good enough to support a color screen. And if they use touch screen, on screen keybroad is not that bad ala webtv.
CY
Is not that there is no good way to input Chinese character. It's just that there are 20-50+ decent methods and no one is significantly better than the other.
Since there are a few thousand common chinese character, a page of chinese contain more information than a page of English. How many people need to type high speed at work anyway? I don't think that's a big problem.
I use pin-yin too. Any other methods need some training, it's not worth it if you don't write everyday. Even shorthand pin-yin or dumb-proof pin-yin is much faster, I just too lazy to learn (the distinction between "sh" and "s" is killing us cantonese, not that cantonese pronounciation spelling is better.) I always think that voice regoniztion can leap over the chinese input issue. I think it needs a rather powerful machine like a pentium III and such. It's reachable in 5 years.
btw, a lot of culture has given up Pictographic writing like Vietnam, Korean and (sort of) Japanese. Chinese are not likely to change Shu-Fa (calligraphy) any time soon.
Chen Ye
Wow, now I don't have reason to use M$ anymore. Corel linux here I come! Thanks buddy.
CY
first, the main link is dead.
Second, the link you give doesn't support Netscape 3's javascript
And then "too much process running." Three strike I'm out. If the website is so ignorance, how can you expect the hardware manufacctories NOT be ignorances?
"Well we'll only focus on the most popula OS."
"Well we'll only focus on the popular versions of the browsers..."
CY
Up to this point I still can't believe this is a real story.
CY
Just curious, how mach space you can use in the 32M after the MS word stuff? And how long can it play 128k mp3 continuously after full chage? How long is a full charge? Can it use other battery? Can the screen shut off to save power when playing mp3?
CY
I agree with you. It's like 911, they never abandon the design, with only a few favorite change for a new model every year.
I think Palm should never stop using the name Palm III, and make a new model every season or so. Use up all the letters first. (IIIk for kids, with Pokemon; IIIq for the special edition of next Bond product placement. IIIr for a more powerful IR, that has the range of a regular remote (please, I want that!); IIIg for geeks, with all kind of "useful" slots like smartmedia, CF card, springbroad, simple voice recogniztion and dail tone (well they make lame color cases themselves to complete with handsprind, of course they will make a dail tone to complete with trg-pro.) BTW besides can accept memory stick, the "cure-all" slot will accidentally accept springbroad and gameboy cartrige ! Wow this is geekier than Steve Urkel, bring on the slap-on cross controller and Palmboy away!
when I frist saw my vcr doing forword-rewind after midnight, I thought it was crunching seti@home number sent by the black helicopter. The "aftermach" marking is more of a "mark the beginning of the show 2 second ahead" so it can stop fast forward atperfect ninosecond. This feature is about worth every dollar they charge me. You have no idea how pain in the ass over fast forward is. I'd rather watch the commercial than miss the first 5 second of the show.
CY
Is there any third party manufactory plan to OEM a palm with extra powerful IR port that match the range of a normal remote. I can buy a IIIe-clone just for that.
:)
I'll settle for a springbroad module if it's possible. Please, give me an excuse to buy a palm
CY