You most definitely have me beat. During the heydey of freenets I had about 14 or so. Unfortunately they are all long gone. I remember the first time I telnet'ted to the Cleveland Freenet and marveled I could access a computer system in Cleveland from my home town for "free".
Or to heck with PC Pursuit. Find those lists of open x.25 hosts on Telenet. (Sprintnet, etc).
You could probably call it "hacking" but when you just leave your router open like that, is it really?
Then all you need is your local dial-up number and one of those open hosts. Used many of them for awhile when I had a dry spell of no reliable Internet access. Could use Procomm Plus for DOS with one hand tied behind my back. When WFW 3.11 came along, had Procomm Plus for Windows and could "kinda" multitask while using the modem.
I remember one open router I would use, they finally put a password on it. Until one day I tried it and someone had left it logged in - to the Cisco ENABLE prompt. Payday! All I had to do was do a "show config" (passwords weren't hashed/encrypted in those days) and then I had the passwords, including the enable one. Not wanting to rouse suspicion, I never used the enable pasword, just the vty password so I could telnet to the hosts I needed to access (yes, this was before popularity and perhaps even existence of SSH)
I don't think the local Sprintnet dial-in even answers anymore around here. Wouldn't mind getting my hands on some x.25 gear to play around...:)
Do you really think they will "break" social security and leave seniors in poverty? That's a "nothing left to lose" situation and the government surely doesn't want that. Once thousands of grandmas and grandpas have nothing left to lose (going to be out on the street) it's time to get some weapons and go out in a blaze of glory. What kind of news headline would that be? Not very good.... that's a slippery slope into riots....
The day Microsoft does that, is the day the company I work for abandons their shit as much as we can and switches to something a little more big-iron. Like an iSeries, Unix based, or similar system for our accounting/manufacturing programs. They can cloud it all they want as long as I can run a web browser or terminal emulator to get to the LOCAL system.
In the back of my mind I really wish some high profile, long "cloud" outage which would bring things back a little more in house and wake people up. Cloud (hosted elsewhere by any other name) is fine if it's the right tool, but this OMG WTF let's CLOuuuddddd everything!!!!!!1 mindset is rather dangerous, IMHO.
Why didn't the gentleman have his financial institution return that big debit unauthorized and set up a stop for all ACH debits from comcrap? Even the mere threat to a vendor that I'm going to start returning debits unauthorized usually gets me to the department that (still, usually) resolves my problem.
I also thought Facebook had borg'ed Creative Labs (Sound Blaster) and was shutting them down, almost was going to google around for that and then I RTFA and breathed a sigh of relief.
Translation: companies are assholes. Employers have no loyalty to the employee, so neither should the employee have any loyalty to the employer. Was it like this in the old days? Inquiring minds would like to know.
Yes, I'm familiar with Hercules - I even run MVS 3.8J on Hercules. What I'm looking for is a hobbyist style (a la OpenVMS) license for z/OS or z/VM that IBM would allow to run on Hercules legally. Heck even limit it a bit to discourage production use, but make it worth it for hobbyist use if a bunch of mainframe enthusiasts want to set up a system to play with a have a bunch of friends logon.
The link you provided is just for Hercules. I'd like to register on IBM's website, download z/VM, VSE, or MVS - other program products too - then set it up on Hercules and go - legally. I would pay a nominal fee (less than $100 ?) per year to keep the "IBM hobbyist" program running.
Just my $0.02.
Also, I find it quite funny to hear all the younger folks making lawn jokes. The more things change, the more they stay the same. All this decentralization is going to bite everyone in the ass - it's only a matter of time.
Which will NEVER work. Spend some time reading up on the latest cracks that leaked credit card info. If you have to rely on "influence" you should look for another job. There will always be someone with more "influence" than you.
100 percent correct. With all the recent breaches, I'm sure there was someone higher up with more "influence" that thought it wasn't worth it to upgrade systems, policies, or processes to make sure these breaches wouldn't happen - despite the fact that the lower on the totem IT folks were letting them know that it was time to upgrade/etc.
I know that I'm getting old and been in the industry too long when this idea gets me all excited inside. I honestly believe that you'd see huge gains in productivity with the focused work environment that the old serial terminal provided. Not to mention that the keyboard is orders of magnitude faster than anything requiring the mouse for most tasks. Where do I sign up for this?
I'm right there with you, Mr. Ant Eater.:) I find myself quite often bypassing the mouse in Windows, OS X, desktop Linux, and other operating systems and getting myself to a command prompt or equivalent and I can do things faster.
I really think IBM is missing the boat also by not offering something similar to the OpenVMS hobbyist program for it's mainframe operating systems. I see Multiprise systems coming up on the used market and I swear some day I'm going to pull the trigger on a smallish system and stuff it in my basement. I'd much rather run it on Hercules legally.:)
Thanks, seriously - as it quite briskly went over my head.
Using the machine is fine, within the constraints of the business. If I'm at a company that is doing Serious Business (tm), using Bonzi Buddy, Facebook, and all that stuff that has nothing to do with the aforementioned Serious Business is probably going to be on the denied list. The point I'm trying to make is more often than not, clueless CEOs (or clueless managers who suck the CEOs appendage) override the IT department.
Move all of that Serious Business to the mainframe, and let IT manage that. Do whatever you want with your PC. If it gets infected, it gets removed, reimaged, and yet the mainframe is secure. Heck, I can make a one-floppy boot disk that makes any PC a 3270 terminal thanks to small Linux distributions and c3270. Perhaps I'm too far out in right field, but not too far.:)
OK, I'll slightly concede some of the points listed.
However, that all falls on its face when the boss* wants to use dropbox or whatever security hole laden fad of the week on that isolated RDP farm you set up.
You explain the security implications, he/she wants it anyway. You either install it or get fired.
There goes all of your nice isolated infrastructure.
I've seen it happen . More than once. I used to be surprised. Now, not so much. I just facepalm and move on to the next customer. Sometimes I think I should be a farmer.
Has anyone seen that VM/ESA IBM advertisement on youtube from 1995? That's what I want back. You can have your PC infected with all sorts of crap if you like, but you're not infecting the mainframe where the real work and real data is. It's not nostalgia. With all the modern stuff that z/VM and z/OS comes with today, I really think IBM may be slightly missing the boat. Make a system or version that's for lighter workloads, costs less money, yet comes with the robustness and rock solid nature that they are known for. Could blow Microsoft out of the water after x number of years. (or at least knock them down quite a few pegs)
Yes I am rambling.:)
* boss that doesn't have a clue or whos son/daughter/neighbor knows computers and if it works at home why are you working against me not to install it here at the office?
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You most definitely have me beat. During the heydey of freenets I had about 14 or so. Unfortunately they are all long gone. I remember the first time I telnet'ted to the Cleveland Freenet and marveled I could access a computer system in Cleveland from my home town for "free".
Miser
But of course, it's all better when it's in the cloud!!!!1111(one)
Pai will do something about it?
I doubt that! This will be swept under rug, hands slapped, etc.
Or to heck with PC Pursuit. Find those lists of open x.25 hosts on Telenet. (Sprintnet, etc).
You could probably call it "hacking" but when you just leave your router open like that, is it really?
Then all you need is your local dial-up number and one of those open hosts. Used many of them for awhile when I had a dry spell of no reliable Internet access. Could use Procomm Plus for DOS with one hand tied behind my back. When WFW 3.11 came along, had Procomm Plus for Windows and could "kinda" multitask while using the modem.
I remember one open router I would use, they finally put a password on it. Until one day I tried it and someone had left it logged in - to the Cisco ENABLE prompt. Payday! All I had to do was do a "show config" (passwords weren't hashed/encrypted in those days) and then I had the passwords, including the enable one. Not wanting to rouse suspicion, I never used the enable pasword, just the vty password so I could telnet to the hosts I needed to access (yes, this was before popularity and perhaps even existence of SSH)
I don't think the local Sprintnet dial-in even answers anymore around here. Wouldn't mind getting my hands on some x.25 gear to play around ... :)
-Miser
I assume this abomination of a software runs on Windows? (for the record, I did not read the article)
Exactly. A rich asshole has handlers, film at 11?
(for the record, no facebook account - never had one, never will)
Do you really think they will "break" social security and leave seniors in poverty? That's a "nothing left to lose" situation and the government surely doesn't want that. Once thousands of grandmas and grandpas have nothing left to lose (going to be out on the street) it's time to get some weapons and go out in a blaze of glory. What kind of news headline would that be? Not very good .... that's a slippery slope into riots ....
You and me both. This number is the best I can do. :)
The day Microsoft does that, is the day the company I work for abandons their shit as much as we can and switches to something a little more big-iron. Like an iSeries, Unix based, or similar system for our accounting/manufacturing programs. They can cloud it all they want as long as I can run a web browser or terminal emulator to get to the LOCAL system.
In the back of my mind I really wish some high profile, long "cloud" outage which would bring things back a little more in house and wake people up. Cloud (hosted elsewhere by any other name) is fine if it's the right tool, but this OMG WTF let's CLOuuuddddd everything!!!!!!1 mindset is rather dangerous, IMHO.
Why didn't the gentleman have his financial institution return that big debit unauthorized and set up a stop for all ACH debits from comcrap? Even the mere threat to a vendor that I'm going to start returning debits unauthorized usually gets me to the department that (still, usually) resolves my problem.
-Miser
Wait.
82 years old? Seriously? She needs to just fucking retire. I sure as hell hope when I'm 82 I am retired and not working anymore.
Not as low as Jon Abbott below, so ...
"Get off my sidewalk!" :)
I also thought Facebook had borg'ed Creative Labs (Sound Blaster) and was shutting them down, almost was going to google around for that and then I RTFA and breathed a sigh of relief.
What a dumb ass.
At first, I looked at Trump's rhetoric with a bit of curiosity, but now when he just spouts off about things he doesn't understand I just facepalm.
Does he really believe this stuff he's saying or is it an act? I really don't know.
Signed in to say that the severance better have quite a few ZEROS at the end but to the left of the decimal point before I'd be a slave like that.
It also sounds like something like that doesn't sound all too legal, either.
-Miser
Hear, hear. This comment is spot on.
Translation: companies are assholes. Employers have no loyalty to the employee, so neither should the employee have any loyalty to the employer.
Was it like this in the old days? Inquiring minds would like to know.
-Miser
Mod this up, please. I was browsing to to perhaps sign in and post and now I don't need to. This guy hit the nail on the head.
Also see: "Post 9/11 world" "In these uncertain times" etc ....
Cheers,
Miser
Wish I had mod points. Your comment is spot on.
-Miser
I 100% agree with you.
Sounds like something text based should come to the rescue here.
OpenVMS? Some flavor of MVS, z/VM or similar? Linux?
Cheers,
Miser
Yes, I'm familiar with Hercules - I even run MVS 3.8J on Hercules. What I'm looking for is a hobbyist style (a la OpenVMS) license for z/OS or z/VM that IBM would allow to run on Hercules legally. Heck even limit it a bit to discourage production use, but make it worth it for hobbyist use if a bunch of mainframe enthusiasts want to set up a system to play with a have a bunch of friends logon.
The link you provided is just for Hercules. I'd like to register on IBM's website, download z/VM, VSE, or MVS - other program products too - then set it up on Hercules and go - legally. I would pay a nominal fee (less than $100 ?) per year to keep the "IBM hobbyist" program running.
Just my $0.02.
Also, I find it quite funny to hear all the younger folks making lawn jokes. The more things change, the more they stay the same. All this decentralization is going to bite everyone in the ass - it's only a matter of time.
Which will NEVER work. Spend some time reading up on the latest cracks that leaked credit card info. If you have to rely on "influence" you should look for another job. There will always be someone with more "influence" than you.
100 percent correct. With all the recent breaches, I'm sure there was someone higher up with more "influence" that thought it wasn't worth it to upgrade systems, policies, or processes to make sure these breaches wouldn't happen - despite the fact that the lower on the totem IT folks were letting them know that it was time to upgrade/etc.
Why yes it is quite a lawn. No room for you though. :)
I know that I'm getting old and been in the industry too long when this idea gets me all excited inside. I honestly believe that you'd see huge gains in productivity with the focused work environment that the old serial terminal provided. Not to mention that the keyboard is orders of magnitude faster than anything requiring the mouse for most tasks. Where do I sign up for this?
I'm right there with you, Mr. Ant Eater. :) I find myself quite often bypassing the mouse in Windows, OS X, desktop Linux, and other operating systems and getting myself to a command prompt or equivalent and I can do things faster.
I really think IBM is missing the boat also by not offering something similar to the OpenVMS hobbyist program for it's mainframe operating systems. I see Multiprise systems coming up on the used market and I swear some day I'm going to pull the trigger on a smallish system and stuff it in my basement. I'd much rather run it on Hercules legally. :)
Thanks, seriously - as it quite briskly went over my head.
Using the machine is fine, within the constraints of the business. If I'm at a company that is doing Serious Business (tm), using Bonzi Buddy, Facebook, and all that stuff that has nothing to do with the aforementioned Serious Business is probably going to be on the denied list. The point I'm trying to make is more often than not, clueless CEOs (or clueless managers who suck the CEOs appendage) override the IT department.
Move all of that Serious Business to the mainframe, and let IT manage that. Do whatever you want with your PC. If it gets infected, it gets removed, reimaged, and yet the mainframe is secure. Heck, I can make a one-floppy boot disk that makes any PC a 3270 terminal thanks to small Linux distributions and c3270. Perhaps I'm too far out in right field, but not too far. :)
But the auto mechanic lets you drive your own car.
*blink*
OK, I'll need this one explained to me.
OK, I'll slightly concede some of the points listed.
However, that all falls on its face when the boss* wants to use dropbox or whatever security hole laden fad of the week on that isolated RDP farm you set up.
You explain the security implications, he/she wants it anyway. You either install it or get fired.
There goes all of your nice isolated infrastructure.
I've seen it happen . More than once. I used to be surprised. Now, not so much. I just facepalm and move on to the next customer. Sometimes I think I should be a farmer.
Has anyone seen that VM/ESA IBM advertisement on youtube from 1995? That's what I want back. You can have your PC infected with all sorts of crap if you like, but you're not infecting the mainframe where the real work and real data is. It's not nostalgia. With all the modern stuff that z/VM and z/OS comes with today, I really think IBM may be slightly missing the boat. Make a system or version that's for lighter workloads, costs less money, yet comes with the robustness and rock solid nature that they are known for. Could blow Microsoft out of the water after x number of years. (or at least knock them down quite a few pegs)
Yes I am rambling. :)
* boss that doesn't have a clue or whos son/daughter/neighbor knows computers and if it works at home why are you working against me not to install it here at the office?