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Top Democratic Senator Will Seek Legislation To "Pierce" Through Encryption (dailydot.com)
Patrick O'Neill writes: Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) will seek legislation requiring the ability to "pierce" through encryption to allow American law enforcement to read protected communications with a court order. She told the Senate Judiciary committee on Wednesday that she would seek a bill that would give police armed with a warrant based on probable cause the ability to read encrypted data. "I have concern about a PlayStation that my grandchildren might use," she said, "and a predator getting on the other end, and talking to them, and it's all encrypted. I think there really is reason to have the ability, with a court order, to be able to get into that."
THINK OF THE CHILDREN!
I don't know the meaning of the word 'don't' - J
Perhaps the good Senator should reflect upon what King Canute actually intended to say when he made his demonstration about his inability to stop the tide.
Mathematical algorithms, like so many parts of our physical universe, don't give a flying fuck about Congress. It's like trying to pass legislation to make Pi equal to 3.
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For the sake of the childrens. and puppies!
A.K.A. "will somebody please add backdoors that will eventually get abused by the government and then used by thieves and hackers to do even worst shit."
Because it will rapidly become de rigeur for companies that are serious to use encryption that can't be broken on that basis. US companies can be part of that - or watch as their meal ticket evaporates...
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For all intensive purposes, "whom" is no longer a word. That begs the question, "who cares"?
"I have concern about a PlayStation that my grandchildren might use," she said, "and a predator getting on the other end, and talking to them, and it's all encrypted. I think there really is reason to have the ability, with a court order, to be able to get into that."
You could be involved with your kids and *you* be in charge of who they are communicating with via your playstation
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos
Some republicans are too, but I wonder if there is an area of life that politicians, especially Democrats - don't want to control?
And then everyone will react by sending their encrypted (first level) traffic through a tunnel that performs a second encryption level in a country that laughs at their legal requests. She just doesn't get it. Encryption is here to stay for very good reasons law enforcement has to adapt.
I'm sure she means well (I mean, at least she's talking about needing a court-order, which is a Constitutionally compliant practice) . But yeah, pretty bad.
Still nothing like a "series of tubes" though.
...that this stuff sometimes isn't even stored anywhere.
So a conversation takes place between one or more people of suspect. Police want to know. Let's even pretend that they make a solid case to a judge and get a warrant. They serve Sony the warrant to find out what was said, and... ...they are told that there is nothing to give them. Voice conversations aren't generally saved from these video game systems.
"I have concern about a PlayStation that my grandchildren might use," she said, "and a predator getting on the other end, and talking to them, and it's all encrypted. I think there really is reason to have the ability, with a court order, to be able to get into that."
If you are so worried about a predator talking to your grandchildren through the Playstation network, why are they using it unsupervised?
Take care of your own problems, don't make the government do it for you.
Take this sig and smoke it.
She is all for spying...except if it is on her...
*facepalm*
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You can already pierce through encryption just fine. Just apply brute force.
You break through...eventually.
If you have access to the conversation on the children's side, you have ALREADY pierced encryption. The endpoints aren't hidden by encryption in most cases, that's a function of NAT/VPN/tor/etc
The Indiana Legistlature has already tried to legislate on mathematics.
First terrorists, now think of the children.
All of you in the U.S. Government - go fuck yourselves you ignorant fucktards.
Break(pierce)able encryption isn't encryption.
Unbreakable encryption doesn't exist - it just takes a long damned time to "guess" the key.
Remember that little old 4th Amendment? Yeah, you know the one - where "Congress may pass no law" - prohibiting shit like this...
The Patriot act has been unconstitutional from the get go, and all of you ignorant fucks are guilty of treason and are traitors to our country.
The bad guys are just going to keep using existing software that doesn't have these backdoors (esp open source software that can be vetted). In other words, this legislation will accomplish absolutely nothing but making mainstream communication tools less secure.
So, i assume both sides would vote on the same. Does this also represent what the voters want? Or does this represent a narrow band of the ruling elite.
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That's funny did Dianne Feinstein just imply that she can't trust her own children to raise their children properly?
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Dianne Goldman Berman Feinstein, born Dianne Emiel Goldman[1] (/ËfaÉnstaÉn/; born June 22, 1933), is the senior United States Senator from California. A member of the Democratic Party, she has served in the Senate since 1992.
Served on the Senate since 1992.
82 years old with no fucking clue what she's talking about.
Encryption doesn't kill people. People kill people. The only way to stop a bad guy with an encryptor is a good guy with an encryptor. Captcha: boggling
Ignorance is all that is required to keep people like this in charge. It is a sad fact that too many of the people who vote are also ignorant.
I have a concern about the IM apps my grandchildren might use and a predator getting in the middle and spoofing messages from their parents. A predator could pierce through encryption and send messages like "mommy won't be able to pick you up from school, but uncle bob will, so do whatever he says."
...I expect Slashdot to thoroughly Savage Diane for her attempts to undermine internet freedom and privacy just as they savaged Trump for merely suggesting what Hillary Suggested.
I use open-source crypto.
How is this going of affect me?
However there are a great many things the paying public "aren't allowed to know", and you can't mount a legal action against the government. Must be nice to insist everyone behave while you act like a spoiled brat.
Go ahead. Invent yourself a master key. Note how all the criminals will be using private encryption that doesn't have backdoors. Note how this won't help you at all.
Keep noting that when your master key leaks and every banking institution, corporation, industry and infrastructure collapses under a deluge of Chinese hacks.
Let's also seek legislation to allow officers to get warrants that allow them to read the minds of potential criminals so they know when they are lying. Because "I think there really is reason to have the ability"
The only thing she wants the government to pierce is the back hole that gets opened when they say grab your ankles...while they say it is good for you and for your own protection.
From TFA:
What did LE do before the internet?? There are all kinds of things that are/were said and done in this world, Mr. FBI, that you did not, will not, and often should not know. Why is that difficult for you to understand? Guy eats breakfast in a diner every morning; two weeks later he kills people. You don't know what was said in that diner, either. Should all diners be required to record all conversations that take place in their establishment, and forward them to the FBI?
Wait, don't answer that, you probably think they should.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
all you really have to do is either con the key out of your target or BEAT IT OUT
Only reason why Feinstein keeps getting re-elected (not because Calif is a blue state full of liberals, Dianne pissed off her liberal base) is because any R candidate is more of a nut job. Nominate someone moderate and you'll for surely have a Republican Senator for California.
I wonder why the other issue about encryption has not been raised....drum roll please....
Encrypted information takes up more storage space, and actually can cripple most storage systems because it does not "de-duplicate" . I just finished a project where we "unencrypted" a 20+ TB database because the new storage system we purchased couldn't just store the data as is.
I love how there is a fundamental misunderstanding of how encryption works. The whole Playstation argument is fucking stupid too. Microsoft/Sony will work with law enforcement to trace paedophiles who use their gaming networks (even though most abusers don't use any technology. They abuse people they know; usually close friends or family members. But that's a whole-nother issue).
This goes back to SOPA, PIPPA and any other law about the Internet. Congressmen and Senators are typically students of law. They have little to no understanding of how technology works, yet they feel as if they can legislate it.
If a law was passed requiring encryption backdoors, then you would literally be in the situation where only criminals could actually reliably use encryption. It's kinda hilarious when you think about it.
I have concern for your children, and your children's children and their childrens children, being attacked by thieves, predators and terrorists through the backdoors you'll be forcing on encryption.
This vampire queen needs a stake through the heart.
Can this get any more formulaic?
Is there a handbook on legislative tactics that specifically says, "If you can't get what you want any other way, emphatically shout THINK OF THE CHILDREN!!11eleventy!1!"
Or is this tactic really that effective, so people continue to use it over and over?
Why doesn't Feinstein also add to her bill a clause giving the cops the power to fly and invulnerability? That is just as possible as legislating that cops will have the ability to break encryption.
I'm an American. I love this country and the freedoms that we used to have.
Math is hard.
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Don't get all caught up and just focus on her stupid statements. Focus on the real issue: A never ending struggle to screw you and me. And our kids. Forever and ever.
Peace is easy to achieve, just surrender. Liberty is much harder get/keep.
she deserved no less. she's an embarrassment to the state of California and the United States. (No, I did not vote for her or her "friend" Boxer.)
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Remember, this is the crone who brought us the first AWB.
When questioned, she couldn't even articulate what an assault weapon was ("they're guns that have a piece that goes up"). Remember that?
She OK with them talking to predators if it is not encrypted?!?
child abuse!
Don't be a bigger ass than you already are, Feinstein:
If you are concerned that your grandchild is doing something that might harm him, then don't let them do that.
Diane "Buttlicker" Feinstein. You had it right all along, Jello.
SJW's don't eliminate discrimination. They just expropriate it for themselves.
The path towards a police state justified by terrorism and the always reliable pedophilia.
What surprises me most about this miserable waste of skin is that she's from supposed progressive California.
...is an enemy of freedom. How she keeps getting re-elected, I'll never understand. She ought to be tried for sedition, and hanged after being convicted by a jury of her peers.
It's really concerning that we're seeing this trend all over the world. Even though most of these dinosaur-age politicians barely have a clue about encryption and technology in general they are now in a position to cause a lot of harm. Some of it may be unwittingly, perhaps the NSA folks are saying that they can't stop the terrorists without this.
Consider that so many businesses and people have centralized their information into "the cloud" and more are moving everyday. Centralizing puts us all in a much weaker position since the cloud providers (Amazon, Google, Microsoft, Rackspace, etc.) will have to follow these potential laws.
In contrast, before this cloud centralization millions of servers would have to be updated all over the country and at a minimum it would take much longer to implement something like this. People and companies would also have more options and control over their data.
In any case, it's disappointing to me that this is happening in the United States. It reminds me of why my father risked his life fleeing from the communist country I was born in.
Lastly, it's not going to matter anyway. The criminals will still break the law and probably move to even more encrypted/secured services.
Chance favors the prepared mind.
Perfect is the enemy of good.
Note it's not a Republican proposing this, it's a Democrat.
Beware ANY group of people who believe government should oversee your life, because this is where you end up.
Throughout history ALL fascists have been "progressive".
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This bill would require a court order before the encryption can be "pierced".
Well, if you have a court order, you don't need to pierce the encryption - if the suspect fails to give you access to the messages in question, you can lock him up for failure to comply with a court order! And you can keep him there indefinitely until he complies! THE GRANDKIDS ARE SAFE!!
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... force you to decrypt any encrypted document with a court order. In fact, the law is so broad that if you go into court and the judge says "please give these nice officers the encryption keys for your hard drive" and you say "no", they can say "OK, I'll just put you in jail for contempt of court, without bail, until you do." Which can literally be forever. There are no limits that I know of for jail time for contempt of court for an ongoing refusal to comply with a court order. So it can literally be life not even in prison, in JAIL, until you do.
If th issue is terrorism, the powers are even broader and can involve you being sent to a concentration ca -- I mean "federal jail on a remote island" until you cough up a lot more than just the keys.
What they want is the power to read dynamical communication streams in real-time, because decrypting them is often too difficult even for the NSA and because a lot of them are encrypted with one-time or digitally saved keys so that a user CAN'T just cough them up. If my ssh private keys went away, do you think I have them memorized? NOBODY could decrypt my old network traffic, not even me!
Now we just have to wait a bit for the legislative branch to realize that a) we lack the theorems needed to make their nifty idea work; and b) any end user can trivially work around it by simply exchanging keys for one of the known secure algorithms; c) it isn't necessary for any saved, recorded data; and d) it isn't constitutional. It's exactly like trying to pass legislature that would require all house keys to be "registered" and constructed in such a way that a master key in the possession of the police would open them. Good luck with that one.
Besides, they already can. The key is called a "brute force", and if they use it, yeah, they have to go up against the effort the householder put in to stopping brute force entry. If their "house" is a repurposed bomb shelter with six foot thick concrete walls, good luck to them.
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Even when the experts all agree, they may well be mistaken. --- Bertrand Russell.
Why are politicians allowed to make any rules over something they clearly don't even understand the basics about?
This woman should and would have been laughed out the hall if any of the others listening to her even had the first clue either.
Propose legislation that everyone gets a pony next!
It's not necessary that encrypted traffic be "pierceable". It's that the Govt will mandate that all traffic go through 3rd party (man in the middle) clearing houses. These companies will store the data encrypted and only decrypt it when issued a court order. So any point to point encrypted traffic will likely be illegal; and if possible blocked from occurring. Yuk..
All the worlds indeed a
If it's a criminal act to encrypt, then only the criminals have encryption. That's good, because at least when they're selling all your stolen data and credit card info, THEIR transactions will be secure.
82 years old with no fucking clue what she's talking about.
I don't buy the ignorance gag for a minute. Politicians can hear both sides of every argument, and generally do. They are all well educated, and have well educated staff around them all the time. When it's convenient for them to look dumb, they play their role and look dumb. And the asinine measure that people pushed back against becomes an incremental step toward their agenda, and in extreme cases Black Projects that the citizens don't know about for decades.
For nearly half a century I have seen people believe the idiot gag and remain amazed at how far down the shitter we have gone in so little time. Meanwhile, a few people said what I just did.. and they have predicted correctly.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
So it doesn't surprise me that she's pushing legislation favorable to her friends. Plus, she's so ugly, stupid and obviously corrupt, that I wouldn't like my kids to meet her, they wouldn't be safe.
....dumbest people I know.
Politically something WILL be done, they have racheted up the FUD levels to the point the public wants more security theater.
I still say the best course is to assuage the fear by making the Internet a little less global along the lines of Trumps proposal to shut certain parts of it down. The alternative is you are going to have this kinda a crap forced on you. A broken by design system where everything is monitored by the thought police and you had better be running some defined back doored per-approved protocol or someone will be sent over to kick in your actual front door.
Politically this is where its headed right now. I would rather just say the Internet is going to be US - EU - China + [ others that conditionally want to participate ] from now on and still have a somewhat free and flexible network.
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So, is she proposing that the authorities have the tool / keys to do this, but must pinky swear not to use it without permission?
If they were in earnest about the need for a warrant / oversight, then they should have no reservation about agreeing for it to actually be impossible for the authorities to "pierce" communication without being first granted specific, targeted keys to do so. This would be a one-time expiring key pairing between the communications provider and the Court, which is handed to the authorities.
I suspect they would decline this solution, because it isn't a carte blanche opportunity to monitor at their own discretion.
...really don't matter any more. They don't feel the need to understand the things they're legislating for and what the likely consequences will be, e.g. weakening encryption in the USA will make banks, power stations, public records, congress' computers, etc. more vulnerable to cyber attacks. They're simply relaying their paymasters' wishes, mostly verbatim. Some of the documents they use even have embedded metadata from the corporate think tanks and lobby groups that originally wrote them. They should at least learn about document metadata to avoid such embarrassment, otherwise we can replace them with any old popular idiot, you know, like has-been Hollywood B-movie actors ;)
....That lawmakers have the pass a test after receiving rudimentary education on anything they might make a law on.
This lawmaker completely fails maths. Its almost as bad as if congress proposed a bill to repeal the laws of thermodynamics
How is being able to read encrypted data, with a court order, going to prevent anything? Are they going to get a court order to read it real time? How would they know who to snoop on? The gov had no idea this latest spontaneous act of terrorism was going to happen and could not have prevented it. All that stuff they have gotten to show what terrifying terrorists these nut cases were was gotten after the act. I'm also going to call that information "plain text" as I didn't hear how they got keys to decrypt it. I'm just not following how the gov can read minds with this new power to circumvent encryption and save anyone. You can't predict random. Sorry you just can't. Oh they may get lucky once in awhile but it was just a guess on the gov's part mostly and not enough to justify handing the keys to millions of peoples private information over. F. U. D. We want more power over your little lives. That is all it is.
And her next bill will be to put a microphone and camera in every house, I'm sure.
1) At some point in the past, I've handed you a password
2) I math a secret, resulting in gibberish
3) You math my gibberish with your password, resulting in my secret.
At exactly what fucking point does anyone expect the gov't to be able to do anything? No one was involved except the two communicating parties!
If you're particularly stupid or fascist, you can claim that the carriers could prevent it, but then you're saying every single bit that passes through their lines must be 100% decrypted and understood to make sure no "unpierceable" encrypted bits get through. And that's ignoring the obvious problem of steganography.
Idiots.
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People will not be allowed to whisper things or pass notes to each other or send private letters ... or say/write anything without a government "listener" present to monitor the exchange. (And, of course, another listener when that information is subsequently recorded, etc...)
And... that about solves it.
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
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So, if the US is one of the main innovators in encryption, if this is done, why would anyone trust encryption software made in the US? Doing this cripples US security, firewall, and any other encryption vendors, and creates new opportunities offshore for companies who won't compromise security, and can make strong encryption.
Less secure means that security conscious users will try to circumvent the restrictions, too.
I'll bet most parents don't know what their kids are sending and receiving right now in all our devices. Kids either get proper training early on from parents or not.
Even if you "force" the bad guys to get new computing devices (LOL), the brainless legislator doesn't realize that there are images which look normal and are viewable by anyone to have embedded proprietary information that only the sender and recipient know of and whether secret messages exist or not. There is NO ENCRYPTION for viewing the image itself.
Bad guys are always going to be able to create ways to pass secret messages.
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Sir, it's some kind of code. Call up AT&T and find out what "burgers" stands for and what "chips" stand for. You'll need a warrant. Judge LeRoy is a dependable rubber stamp.
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It's funny how politicians are up in arms for exposing encryption until it's their privacy that is affected. Sound like a particular politician from New York that we know? The worst part is that suggested door to encryption swings both ways, and completely defeats the entire purpose of encryption for security, when suggestions to "pierce" encryption is even remotely entertained.
We've been through this shit decades ago... For fuck's sake.
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Legislation like this puts us on the road to dictatorship. Perhaps Ms. Feinstein should join up with Mr. Trump.
Aside from this, it's just not possible. A few agreed upon phrases in plain text (e.g. "The chocolates are ready to be opened on the plane) and no encryption is necessary at all.
Blaming encryption is just more flailing about by willfully ignorant political hacks who are unwilling or unable to actually think through a real world problem.
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Another Senator to add to the list of "Traitors to the American people" list
"Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) will seek legislation requiring the ability to "pierce" through encryption to allow American law enforcement to read protected communications with a court order." [emphasis mine]
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHAAHAHA.
How 'bout we pass some legislation that things that should only happen with a court order, only happen with a court order?!?!?
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"I have concern about a PlayStation that my grandchildren might use," she said, "and a predator getting on the other end, and talking to them, and it's all encrypted."
I have a concern that maybe, just maybe someone should be supervising your grandchildren a little more carefully. Like maybe their parents. But don't use their poor parenting as an excuse to be able to snoop in my email or other communications.
She ought to be Trumps running mate
If she's worried about her grandchildren talking to child molesters on their PlayStation, perhaps she should talk to their parents about keeping an eye on what Junior is doing in his bedroom without supervision - you know, where encryption doesn't matter because they can just read the damn screen - instead of creating a backdoor that the child molesters can use to spy on Little Johnny and plan their kidnapping out of his bedroom because they know that the parents don't pay any attention to him while he's jerking off to porn on his PlayStation.
Or maybe "think of the children" is, as usual, a load of shit excuse to invade people's privacy, and expand the power of government.
I am going to be generous to Senator Feinstein, and assume that she has no technical/IT knowledge, so is reliant on staffers and advice from lobbyists about what the benefits and consequences of something like this would be. I could be wrong, and it could be that she is fully aware of the consequences, but a short-term benefit for the surveillance state and a long-term open door for cyber-crime does not seem like a politically shrewd move.
However, that in itself presents a problem - if we assume that this one politician has no first-hand working knowledge of the consequences of what she is proposing, then we would also have to assume that many other members of Congress and the Senate, plus many other political and legislation bodies around the world, similarly have little or no understanding of (a) the way computers and the Internet work, and (b) the consequences of weakening encryption in this way. If those assumptions are true, how can those individuals (or even those institutions, if the level of ignorance is at enough of a critical mass to hamper an intelligent debate on the subject) be trusted or expected to craft effective, meaningful and beneficial legislation on the topic?
Answer, they cannot. Hence the reason we have expert advisors and so on... who also need to be both independent and also be SEEN to be independent.
Ahh crap, we're screwed.
how is this person qualified to be a senator and try to implement laws when she brought up her own children to allow their kids (her grandchildren) unsupervised chats on online chat rooms while playing violent games where people are murdered.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
FTFA: "A spokesman for Feinstein's office told the Daily Dot in an email that the senator has been working with Judiciary Committee Chairman Richard Burr (R-N.C.) the issue of encryption and that Burr's office is taking the lead on potential legislation."
Richard Burr is not in the "Democrat Party", whatever that is. S/h/it is not in the "Democratic Party" either. S/h/it is a tea-partying Republican.
Ooh, moderator points! Five more idjits go to Minus One Hell!
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Someone point out to her that she's as crazy as Trump on this one?
She's always been a proponent of terrible ideas like this, though.
Normal people lock their doors to keep predators out of their home and away from their children. Grandma should learn how to lock down her wifi to keep internet strangers out of their house. Not install security cameras in her house and give the PD permission to spy on them.
Dianne Feinstein is the worst fucking senator ever. As a Californian, I'm sorry you have to put up with her bullshit, but she is impossible to vote out of office. Hopefully she retires or dies soon so we can try to elect a non-shithead senator.
She IS "Think of the Children". Coming after your guns and now your computer...
One key hides you larger,
One key hides you small,
and the ones that big mother gives you, don't do anything at all.
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I've only been ashamed to be a Californian twice in my life, when Prop 8 (2008) passed, and this.......
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I have a right and a responsibility to check what my children are doing or to help them if they forget their passwords. If the software notifies them when I take a look and what at, a master key is more respectful of their privacy than sharing the same password.
So why doesn't she address her specific problem of "I have concern about a PlayStation that my grandchildren might use" rather than trying to create a backdoor for NSA under the guise of protecting children?
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..and why overall it's a Bad Idea anyway. Please, call or write the good Senator and also explain why having a 'backdoor' in any encryption system will render it essentially useless.
Are YOU using the TOOL, or is the TOOL using YOU? Think about it!
"He must be OK, there are no .txt files on his flash drive".
"What are all these .bin files"?
What about evil Linux users with no extensions?
This is the same idiot that thought rifle magazines could only be used once. I suggest a new unit of stupidity, the Feinstein. Each Feinstein is equal to a gigaDuh.
For being a jew she sure is a fucking nazi.
One of most liberal senators is asking for legislation to provide government access to encrypted information provided it can get a warrant.
Let me repeat ... One of the most liberal senators. Not a Rebublician part of the military industrial complex. Let that sink in for a while.
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It's time to wake up, shave your neck beards and admit you are on the wrong side of the encryption debate.
Y'know, VPN + TOR = about 90% of the fight won already. I suppose APK can even make a more than valid case for hostfiles in this connection. Hate to give that poor fellow the nod, as he still needs professional help; but (deity help me) I'm actually considering running his software. I may have to get over the author being crazed, or find another similar solution written by someone still in possession of all their marbles.
Simple solution, maybe just log the chats your grand-children participate in since they must be decrypted to display on the screen and be read!
breakable encryption huh. yeah that'll work.
idiot.
She's the longest serving senator there. I'm assuming she's taking her cues from Obama and Hillary essentially saying they think encryption is the devil, albeit veiled, only coming out with a harder stance they can't take as easily as she can.
So, a tool for the party, which is itself one of the two fronts for the military industrial complex/corporate oligarchy. I guess senators can self-radicalize too then?
"Pierce" this encryption, you fascist bitch:
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"Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.) will seek legislation requiring the ability to "pierce" through encryption..."
Someone should tell Sen. Feinstein that it's mathematics, not a hymen.
Just cruising through this digital world at 33 1/3 rpm...
.. done that. Clipper Chip Redux. Same story, same mathematics, same outcome. Phil Zimmerman, we owe you.
Encryption is like a locked room with two doors. The first door is well armed and protected. The second door is also well armed and protected, but the key is available to ALL commers. All one needs is a court order to get the second key, and presto it's open, and also now available to anybody, reason - Snowdon. --- All right one says we will do away with the second door, but require key escrow. Same problem - all one needs is a court order to get the second key, and presto it's open, and also now available to anybody, reason - Snowdon. --- So what is the solution, live with good encryption, but insist that everyone divulge the key "on presentation of a court order" with some heinous penalty for not releasing it. That way the encryption is not compromised, but still readable "with a court order" not like it is now ANYBODY can read it.
and in fact anyone over the age of 10 or so is already trivially ignoring and bypassing their copyright laws. I expect their encryption laws will also fall quickly to the pre-teen set should they so desire.
Fact is those grandkids are way fucking smarter than grandma will ever be.
If the senator is so worried about her grand kids playing on the playstation, maybe she should turn it of.
you can't pierce some encryption and not others. Would she like the encryption on her donor's bank records pierced as well.
When the US gov/mil wants to "Pierce" into US hardware and software with junk and tame default encryption, the consumer can buy other strong brands and services.
The global consumer has the right to route around the US mandated trapdoors, backdoors, gov/private sector partnerships and useless encryption, weak standards, extra gov keys and constant logging.
The more backdoors and trapdoors a nation mandates, the less competitive their software and hardware exports become.
Soon it will become more smart to write code in house and only each out to US standards when and where absolutely necessary with the least about of data exposure.
People globally know any gov keys, codes, access does not stay with any one gov or mil department. Telco staff, private brands, contractors, mercenaries soon get a copy out to other nations or anyone who can pay.
Dual citizens, the need for cash, political or cult or faith based ideals soon allow lot of other nations or random wealthy groups have the same once "secret" US gov backdoors, trapdoors or access.
The keys to junk national encryption standards get shared very quickly and globally over the productive use of any product, network or service.
Domestic spying is now "Benign Information Gathering"
If they want the legal ability, that suggests they already have the technical ability but retain themselves to use it for legal reasons.
In other words, all encryption is already broken. That, or either she is pushing a law without understanding what she says.
I'm concerned about letters and the things that could be encoded in them. I think about my grandkids in at school who could be learning all kinds of things that i don't want them to and there should be a law against it. Get off my lawn.
The levels of crazy that woman is capable of never cease to amaze me. She's like a female, Democrat version of Trump, only difference is the good people of California have seen fit keep electing her into various government offices since the 70s.
Too Many Secrets
She and Hillary are about as smart as a box of hammers. It would be nice if they would know a little history to see the best of intentions giving somebody unchecked power will eventually leave to unchecked corruption given enough time. Some grave mistakes you can't 'undo'.
Say they get what they want and force back doors. Then all we need is one power hungry Muslim president to start..... oh wait a minute.
Isn't every senator part of the democratic system? Why say "Top democratic senator"? Was that a typo and was meant to say "Top Democrat senator"?
She worried a terrorist will talk to her grandchild?
You can't legislate out of stupid.
Thank you! That was *exactly* the other case that I was referring to... when I preempted the claims that "this has already been tried in court" by pointing out that in both cases (Boucher and the one that I couldn't remember) the cleartext was already known to be incriminating.
Thanks for finding the other example that I couldn't remember. That is indeed the case that I was thinking of. As I recalled, and as the decision in question discusses the defendant had already provided information as to the contents of the drive in a prison phone call.
The article doesn't mention any actual bill, but Feinstein just introduced S. 2372: A bill to require reporting of terrorist. There is no text for the bill yet, but according to Feinstein's office, which I called after reading this article, is meant to just require companies to report to police if they come across terrorist or explosives information.
I am no fan of Feinstein, but I haven't seen anything questionable or about encryption backdoors in the bill. It seems that reporters are just making stiff up these days.
I'd bet more than a wooden nickle that most of the Slashdot readers in California voted for her, and would vote for her again no matter what. People can rant all day long about how awful she is, but they will vote for her anyway, because they agree with her politics which is what leads her to the actions they pretend to deplore. What's really happening here is that people who prefer left-wing secular totalitarians will always vote for them and then pretend to complain that they don't like the natural and obvious effects, basically trying to convince their saner peers not to blame them
Sorry, but if you ever voted for this evils woman or you ever vote for her in the future, you are to blame; it's a "package deal". Just as people who voted for Bush for various reasons are also on the hook for supporting him on the unpopular stuff, people who vote Obama, or Feinstein or her crazier nastier friend Boxer are on the hook for this junk - that's Democracy. Don't like it? Force your party to stop supporting these dirtbags, OR push for smaller government like our founders intended because a very small government will be involved in a very small number of things and the politicians will therefore be only involved in those limited things and their views on other matters simply will not matter.
If you play that PlayStation BACKWARDS, the voice of the DEVIL can be heard!!!!!!!
Tell your children to bring their game machines to the rally friday night where we will BURN them and SMASH them to keep the EVIL out of of our lives!
Get thee behind me, oh Sony, thou deciever!
Oh, wait...... she's a Democrat. It's all good. Move-along. Nothing to see here. If she had been a Republican we could all scream about what an ignorant retrograde technophobic fool she obviously is........ drats!
Do Californians hate freedom? Can we cede California to Russia. Putin and Feinstein would agree on sooooo much.
The actual top-Democrat in the Senate a few years ago, elected by vote of all their fellow Democrat senators including her Barbara Boxer (the other California senator) and Joe Biden (now president) and Barack Obama (now president) was actual KKK leader Robert Byrd.
Give them another century and the Democrats might finally stop being completely fixated on skin color, and might even stop trying to create a massive totalitarian government that is involved in every aspect of life. One can dream....
I'm more in line with installing toilet cams in all toilets Senators might use--for law enforcement purposes, requiring a warrant, of course. But knowing anything, we'd just end up getting a lot of exhibitionist politicians--certainly lots of "piercing" going on. *shrug*
PS - Honestly, at least actually installing toilet cams would be actually doable.
Once a month, every month forever, to go and remind them that trying to get rid of or weaken encryption through legislation is
1) Impossible to enforce
2) Guaranteed to give more power to criminals than to law enforcement (as it always has) - because any backdoor can be entered by bad guys as well as good guys and bad guys don't usually bother with getting a warrant first
3) An absolutely unconscionably severe assault on freedom of speech
4) Stifling to research that is critical to the national security of the united states.
5) Pretty much mathematically impossible to achieve
Hopefully each congressman may notice *one* of these reasons, all of them true.
I mean, I have no hope it would actually work... but at least when it blows up in their faces (again) we would be able to say "I told you so".
Unicode killed the ASCII-art *
Right after Paris, agents of Security Theater(tm) came out with all kinds of noise about how the terrorists used encryption to send blah blah. And the rolled out a PS(x) and said "there's your trouble"(tm). And then reality came around and they found out that no, all the terrorists was unencrypted sms to communicate. The problem was that a hundred bajillion radio and tv stations covered the "It the playstation fault! Damn hackers!" and only very few gave the correction. And now we have the second step of Security Theater(tm), and at least one badly informed (or naive) elected public official nibbling the bait. And Paris burns, and nothing of value will have occurred, but people will have to look over their shoulders if they want secure communications over the internet, unless they use steganography (which is extremely hard to prevent, looks innocent, and can't be stopped).
So they didn't encrypt anything, and all the spying being done on EVERYONE didn't help or provide any clues that the attacks were going to happen. So lets pass a law on encryption, because then we would have known? How the fuck does anyone even think that's a logical fucking argument.
There are three kinds of falsehood: the first is a 'fib,' the second is a downright lie, and the third is statistics.
...while you're at it so the American law enforcement could effortlessly hover over suspect with the court order.
"I have concern about a PlayStation that my grandchildren might use," she said, "and a predator getting on the other end, and talking to them, and it's all encrypted. I think there really is reason to have the ability, with a court order, to be able to get into that."
Or you could, you know, pay your kids / grandkids a bit of attention, make sure you know what they're up to when they play on their console. Like good parents do....
You'd think she'd learn from her own recent history how such measures can be abused.
http://www.nationaljournal.com...
blindly antisocialist = antisocial
It can attempt to modify behavior of people but that is it. Reality stands above the law and people that seem to think different (like Feinstein) are delusional.
The reality of the matter is that you can have secure crypto or backdoored crypto. The latter is insecure and can be attacked by any number of attackers. There is _no_ way around that. (For details, look up the discussion the crypto experts have had on this in the last few years.)
Backdoored crypto is hence a gross risk and far, far worse than not being able to read every message desired.
Most ACs are not even worth the keystrokes to insult them. Be generically insulted by this and ignored otherwise.
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Feinstein is NOT a Democratic senator. She IS a Democrat senator...or as I like to spell the word, Demoncrap.
is that you or do you represent the coward and the traitor like her?
How to pronounce the big words, but doesn't know what they mean.
Remember: Dick Cheney became a very rich fellow at Halliburton doing TONS of business with Arab Muslims and in government has sent vast numbers of Americans to fight some Muslims on behalf of other Muslims. Like most of the political elites in BOTH parties, Cheney has lots of personal and financial ties to very wealth Muslims and leaders of Muslim nations.
Too bad he spends more time worrying about Muslims than middle- and lower-class Americans, of all other (and of no) faiths.
But you can't stop humans from DIY:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aQsp7vz4Cyc
And when it comes down to it, you could build a one time use shotgun made out of PVC that instantly destroys itself for even less money.
How can you stop the development of one time use, self destructing encryption?
Saw the headline, and I just knew it would be Feinstein. One of the worst of the "regulation for regulation's sake"/"think of the children!!!" bunch.
Examine even your most deeply held beliefs. Nobody is always right.
Isn't she a member of the house intelligence committee and a strong supporter of the Patriot Act? We need to protect the children? Right! If you're concerned who your children are talking to install a key logger, restrict their access, keep computers and gaming consoles they use in the front room, and watch their activity. I'm sure this is an attempt to add back door to encryption and it will be expanded to not just protect children just like all other federal regulations. With a warrant, law enforcement could probably install spyware on the suspects computer to capture information before it is encrypted or determine the password they are using to encrypt their communications. Back doors only weaken encryption and it is bad enough that companies don't encrypt information and it ends up stolen by hackers or foreign governments. With a back door, these same hackers will be able to steal information even if it is encrypted. In addition, law enforcement will abuse such a back door key. To illustrate how a back door breaks encryption, look at those "TSA approved" locks that are easy to unlock and are useless since not only can the TSA open them, others have found out how to open them too. In my case I was able to use another key to open a "TSA approved" lock by just jiggling the key until it opened the lock. I didn't realize I was using the wrong key and wondered why I initially had troubles opening locks. People have created master keys with 3-D printers to open any TSA approved lock. Will this happen to all encryption? Most likely it will.
I will turn off my encryption as soon as she auto-forwardeds every e-mail she and her slimeball husband gets on all their e-mails so we can expose them for the whores to the highest bidder they are; along with the shady deals her husband has been involved with. If they want the 50+ ads a day I get along with an occasional love e-mail from my Bride, they are more than welcome. But then again we have a candidate for POTUS who told Congess that she never cleaned her server with a rag so what am I thinking...
"... from a European perspective, the Democrats and Conservatives are almost identical."
Thanks for the humor, I needed a good laugh.
That would be the Europe where all politics is so far left that their "far left" is international socialism ( the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics) and their "far right" is national socialism (the National SOCIALIST German Workers Party) and all the "normal" and "moderate" people balance on a political knife-edge between those two with nearly identical pallid "social democrat" parties. Any political upset in modern Europe brings the shrill warnings of a tip to the left into violent international Marxism or to the right into violent national Marxism. Europeans seem oblivious to the political toxic soup they have stewed in for centuries while sneering at the American hicks. While presuming themselves superior, Europeans went from Kings and Queens and Emperors to Fascists and NAZIs and Communists, sparking countless wars on the continent, two of which became world wars that required the intervention of the supposedly stupid Americans - without ever actually trying FREEDOM.
No thanks.
I'll keep my US Constitution, including the 2nd Amendment, and resist the continual drumbeat to make America more like Europe - there IS no other country to come in and free us all if the US becomes like Europe and then joins in running another "enlightened" elitist political "experiment".
There's NEVER been a politician of ANY party or ideology in California who was worse than Feinstein. Her supporters always support her for various evil reasons and then try to cover for it by claiming "the other candidates were all worse." Utter rubbish. She's an extremely evil and corrupt politician who refused to even hold press interviews or debates in her last faux election (and the Democrat-run press in California totally covered for her on this when they would have gone completely insane had any other party's candidate pulled that crap). She pretends to be a "defense hawk" on the Senate Armed Services Committee when in reality her husband makes millions from his defense business activities on the defense contracts she oversees. She long campaigned to take away the 2nd Amendment gun rights of all Americans while she herself was not only fully protected by armed guards but also had a concealed carry permit and a gun ON HER PERSON. She is a political opportunist of the first order who built her entire political career on solid support from the SF gay community because she was there when Harvey Milk was murdered, sort of like Jesse Jackson built his on being nearby when MLK was shot when there were plenty of other genuine MLK people around who should have been there to take up that mantle.
California is a one-party-state and it's going straight to hell, with most large manufacturing and many middle class people fleeing the state. The state is giving health insurance and driving licenses to illegal aliens who WILL be voting because the Democrats instituted "motor voter" and prohibit fraud checks on elections, and meanwhile the state keeps increasing regulations on and inspections of any businesses that MAKE stuff, while raising rates for power and water and actively fighting to reduce energy production and water supplies. Oh, and we have "carbon trading" so the politicians can enrich themselves with Enron's plan for selling shares of nothing on imaginary markets.
The formerly "golden state" is transmogrifying into the "toxic lead state" in a political act of reverse alchemy.
When you ban guns, only criminals will be armed.
DiFi is one of those criminals who will own guns, while she pushes for law-abiding citizens to be stripped of their Constitutional rights.
There's a connection here:
She's also the one pushing to spy on all Americans and Decrypt all their stuff, while demanding HER e-mails and such remain private and not be scanned by federal agencies.
Leftist totalitarians all over the planet are always the same. Some people just refuse to see it and even actively support them in exchange for the "right" to kill their kids, do drugs, be given somebody else's stuff, or have sex with somebody who has the same personal plumbing. It's all a matter of priorities (sigh).
The 1986 amnesty ended the GOP in CA. It was a deal that was supposed to show mercy to about 4 million illegals in exchange for border security, but the Democrats broke the deal and refused to allow the border to be secured once they realized how much benefit they could get from targeted lawlessness.
Millions of Hispanic and Asian illegal immigrants suddenly got the right to vote and their kids eventually grew to voting age. All those formerly illegal immigrants and their kids vote lock-step Democrat no matter what. The only Republican to get elected to state-wide office since that double tidal wave of new Democrat voters was the Governator who was at the left fringe of the GOP, married into the Kennedy family, and mostly seen as a movie star action hero rather than a Republican.
THAT is why the Democrats are importing millions of illegals into the entire nation now as fast as they can - they're trying to repeat this for the entire nation replacing the formerly white-anglo-saxon-protestant majority with a bunch of ethnic and religious special interest groups that will play into the group identity politics of the Democrat party and thus make the entire nation into a one party rule nation. Mussolini, here we come.
She told the Senate Judiciary committee on Wednesday that she would seek a bill that would give police armed with a warrant based on probable cause the ability to read encrypted data.
Yuk. Should be "She told the Senate Judiciary committee on Wednesday that she would seek a bill that would give police, armed with a warrant based on probable cause, the ability to read encrypted data." Note the commas.
So the police will have to seek a warrant, while everyone else just skips that requirement and goes straight to the "encrypted" data? I just want to see their bank account transactions secured with the likes of rot13, it would make my day, it really would. Can I have that for my holiday present, please?
--Udo.