I'm glad you corrected that guy, because SERIOUSLY you made the joke funnier and REALLY I'M NOT KIDDING you didn't just make a gigantic ass out of yourself or anything like that.
Oh god.... dependency hell? DEPENDENCY HELL? You do realize, don't you, that when you use *emerge*, it automatically compiles package dependencies as well (exactly the same as apt-get, natuarally)? It's not as if dependencies have simply ceased to exist in your distribution.
You also realize that if you uninstall a package in Gentoo, it doesn't check for whether that will break other packages' dependencies, right? Unless they've changed that since last time I had it on a machine.
I don't even have a problem with Gentoo, I thought it was ok. But seriously, you guys sound like a god damn commercial sometimes. Are all of you posters at the top of this article on some kind of Gentoo Streat Team OR WHAT?
I can just see you making your linguistic stretch in a bar or other populous environment, elbowing people in the ribs, wandering up to total strangers and shouting "Eh? Eh? Coolio! Cuolo! Get it! IT'S SIDE SPLITTINGLY HILARIOUS, PEOPLE! COME ON!".
Don't blame me when somebody punches you in the throat over it, though.
Last time I checked, APIs in the sense that guy was talking about have NOTHING to do with the processor architecture. He's talking about someone writing their own libraries that can be linked with programs written for OS X under Linux on ANY platform.
You are correct that it is unlikely someone will write such a thing; however, your contempt for the VERY NOTION of it is pretty god damn funny considering The Mono Project
Yes, I used the wrong term, my mistake. However, what you are describing is not at all what I or the post I replied to were discussing - we were talking more about a half and half sort of situation where GPL code is mixed with proprietary code in a potentially illegal fashion. And it was all hypothetical anyway; we don't actually know the reason VIA yanked the code.
I loved that fucking game. In fact, with the possible exception of the Baldur's Gate series, I still don't think anyone has made a better RPG than Ultima.
If it's dual licensed then only one part of the code is GPL. It's not that certain people get the code under GPL and some other people don't. And if there was a legality issue with say 50% of the code, you'd have to strip all of that out before it was legal for you to redistribute it.
Otherwise, you could take that Win2K source that was lost/stolen/whatever, make some GPL project out of it, and suddenly it would be completely legal. It doesn't work that way.
I absolutely can not agree with McCain's position on this. I realize that cable companies have access to a pervasive infrastructure and so I am not so much questioning whether the government has the right to make ANY regulations, but this seems a little extreme.
Why not mandate what the content of cable television might be? Hell, we already have the FCC going completely ballistic over Janet Jackson' s nipple, right? Let's spread that over to cable too. It's not that big of a stretch really when you consider that a boring old man is already, RIGHT NOW, trying to mandate what type of product MUST be sold by cable companies.
Gotta agree with you on pretty much everything, man. Truthfully, I did it all for the sarcasm.
As for Bud, I drink it anyway but I have already explained why on Slashdot several times. Here are two important reasons (the only two reasons) why people justifiably drink cheap beer:
1. It is cheap and easy to get a hold of. This is a combinational reason. Either one alone would not be enough to justify drinking what is, ostensibly, an inferior product. It is cheaper than a lot of beer (and also incidentally it tastes better in general than even cheaper easily obtainable beer such as PBR, Old Style, Busch, etc.) and you can get it at pretty much every single place you buy liquor. If I want slightly more expensive beer, I have to go to the grocery store. If I want *GOOD* beer I have to go to 1 of maybe 3 liquor stores in my town. 2 used to be nearby; now ZERO are since I moved. I drink a lot more cheap shit lately, consequently.
2. (the part I have previously espoused). The examples of things you listed as alternatives DO NOT TASTE THE SAME. This is important if you enjoy variety. Budweiser itself does NOT have a particularly distinctive taste in my opinion, but its CLASS of beers certainly does (Bud, Old Style, Busch, PBR, Miller, Coors, etc).
Sometimes that is exactly what you want to drink. Right now I am drinking a bottle of New Belgium Trippel. This shit has an ABV between 8 and 9 percent. It also probably has about 400 calories per bottle. If I didn't run 2 or 3 times a week I would be a gigantic fat ass for drinking that kind of shit. It tastes great, seriously, but it sits heavy. Heavy beer such as this one and Guiness and McEwan's and so forth give this disconcerting feel - it's as if you've consumed an eight course meal and as if you haven't eaten for a month, SIMULTANEOUSLY. I don't always want that heavy of a beverage. Bud and its extremely similar tasting american peers goes down easy, you don't start getting loopy off of just 3 or 4 bottles, you just relax a little.
And it doesn't taste bad. It really doesn't. It's just that a lot of people are hung up on how HORRIBLE it is if something tastes "default". You know what I like the taste of? Hot dogs. Sure, I love eating sushi at a Japanese restaurant. I also love the complex flavor of Thai curry. But that IN NO WAY means that I don't want to just have a fucking hamburger or a hot dog, or a plate of chicken wings now and again. Hot dogs are not made of quality materials and they cost $.89 a pack but they are DELICIOUS when you're in the mood.
Why do people have to be elitist about Bud and other cheap beers? What is the point? Why can't people just ENJOY something simple, something that comes entirely without any hint of pretension? That's all I'm saying.
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Yeah you're right, let's all be 100% practical. PRIDE is completely meaningless.
Because seriously, it disturbs me that so many people buy into all of these mass market, cheap, convenient things which are set before them. Like lambs to the slaughter, eh? McDonald's, Starbucks, BUDWEISER, you see where I'm going with this?
Those poor simpletons and their easy, enjoyable choices. If only they had the money and inclination to always go out of their way to only buy the most expensive and inconvenient version of every product they ever wished to purchase, why, I guarantee you there would be several thousand fewer neanderthals in THIS country!
If only they had the sensibilities that WE have, and our ability to look down our noses at everything we deem inferior. I mean, I feel your irritation at items that are easily affordable and pleasing to gigantic market segments, brother. And what a surprise it is that practically everyone gravitates toward the most obvious choices! WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT? Those fucking sheep.
I LOVED Smash TV, although when I first became obsessed with it, it was the SNES version. Me and a friend played it pretty much every day until we beat it, at which point the game started over approximately four times as fast. We proceeded to play it every day until we finished that as well. (Hint: there's no reward for this other than YOUR MIND GETTING PERMANENTLY FUCKED)
That was about five years ago and I'm still twitching.
There are probably many scenarios by which this is not so far fetched as you believe - the most reasonable seems to be that the guy honestly thought that creating and maintaining the website for free would increase publicity for his other site(s), that it might lead to other more profitable career opportunites, establish his prowess as a web developer, etc. and that he realized at some point that it was NOT going to do these things for him and he needed a new plan - if you look at it in that way, he was never performing a selfless, generous act.
Even if you still don't agree with the above, there really is no explanation I can think of of why it would cost 300k to maintain a website for 3 years.
I'd call it a shot as far as a term of measurement goes, and that guy probably would have too, but he was probably imagining you slamming it from a shotglass, and thus his reaction.
However, cheap blended scotch actually makes a pretty good shot, if you're in a bar doing shots with your drinkin' buddies or something. It's a lot more tasty than some other things I can think of. (Ever had an Exxon Valdez? DON'T.)
Grolsch Amber (from Holland) comes in a clear bottle and kicks some serious ass. And although the beer drinker's club here is going to throw rocks at me for saying this - there's always Corona.
Haven't had a lot of luck with green bottled beers, although I know I had at least one import, from Germany I think that turned out pretty good. (Name escapes me) I like Beck's all right I guess although I have had some skunky bottles of it.
Somebody brought some Moosehead to my house once though, and it tasted like someone had picked up a polecat off the ground and squeezed it into a bottle. NOT RECOMMENDED.
That's cool that you linked to Michael Jackson - I have a book about Scotch at home that he wrote and it has been very informative. With beer, I can afford to try a lot of different kinds without doing much or any research, whereas with Scotch, buying a bottle I don't care for could set me back $40-$50.
I haven't had much (possibly any) Belgian beer, just a whole lot of "Belgian style" beer which is also pretty good. I'll take a look around next time I'm at the liquor store.
Oh, by the way, you're ENTIRELY correct. I only drink PBR because Dennis Hopper screamed about it on Blue Velvet because I am an artsy beatnik and also simultaneously somehow I wear denim shirts and hang out in dimly lit pool halls with neon signs with a bunch of guys in construction helmets listening to Glory Days over and over on repeat.
Here's what ELSE you asserted (these are even SMARTER, incidentally, than your first one)
1. People only like X because they are:
A: artsy types who got it from some movie
B: "lowbrow snobs" meaning they must ONLY like the product they're discussing at the moment and NOTHING that YOU like
C: subscribing to the image of said product due to advertising - they COULDN'T simply have different tastes than you. PERISH THE THOUGHT.
2. You shouldn't drink (Bud,Old Style,PBR,Miller,Busch Light,etc.) Drink Guiness (or other stout). Drink this lager. Drink this porter.
#2 has been posted already by about 5,000 people before you. Know what? I LIKE porters, stouts, and lagers but they taste NOTHING AT ALL like pilsners. Why would I substitute one kind of beer I want to drink at the time for another one which tastes entirely different? Is that even supposed to make sense?
Well, hey, Germany has the Reinheitsgebot, and they do make the best beer in the world (in my limited opinion) but it IS pretty expensive, and though I too like Warsteiner more than Budweiser, it doesn't mean I ALWAYS want to drink it.
Incidentally, I like cheap coffee too. BUTTER NUT FOREVER. But why must everyone pick one side or the other? Can't there be a time for a $3 cup of coffee and a time where you make a pot of something like the above mentioned $2.50 per pound variety? I bet you'd be surprised how many people enjoy both on separate occasions.
Well I'm not going argue with your personal taste, because it's a purely subjective matter, and I used to not like cheap beer either, but I do disagree that there is "nothing pleasant about the taste" of Budweiser and so forth. It tastes like beer. Sometimes that's all you want.
Wrong. I love beer as well, and I find nothing really wrong at all with the taste of cheap beer. I love a wide range of tastes of beer, and cheap commercial beer has a distinct taste, especially among different brands, and they are among many others I enjoy. I like microbrews as well, but I also like the taste of Pabst Blue Ribbon and Old Style because they do not taste like other beers I drink and I am often in the mood for them.
I do think it's snotty to crap on them because they're big and commercial, and I think you're all a bunch of god damn yuppies and beer snobs. No offense.
Why the very thought of anyone drinking such a low class beverage has CAUSED MY MONOCLE TO POP RIGHT OUT! And really, who drinks beer in this day and age anyway? Everyone should drink only expensive wine and scotch.
Why just the other day my chauffer took a wrong turn off of the freeway and pulled me past this run down little liquor store where this shabby looking man (who by the way was driving a Pontiac! A PONTIAC!!!) who hadn't shaved for a couple of days was walking out with a bottle of Johnny Walker Red. RED LABEL?! I exclaimed, exhaling a puff of cigar smoke and tipping my top hat back in a bemused manner. WHO ARE THESE CRETINS? I practically had my driver phone the police right then and there.
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Thanks for the polls, you guys are making this cesspool almost halfway fun again.
I'm glad you corrected that guy, because SERIOUSLY you made the joke funnier and REALLY I'M NOT KIDDING you didn't just make a gigantic ass out of yourself or anything like that.
Oh god.... dependency hell? DEPENDENCY HELL? You do realize, don't you, that when you use *emerge*, it automatically compiles package dependencies as well (exactly the same as apt-get, natuarally)? It's not as if dependencies have simply ceased to exist in your distribution.
You also realize that if you uninstall a package in Gentoo, it doesn't check for whether that will break other packages' dependencies, right? Unless they've changed that since last time I had it on a machine.
I don't even have a problem with Gentoo, I thought it was ok. But seriously, you guys sound like a god damn commercial sometimes. Are all of you posters at the top of this article on some kind of Gentoo Streat Team OR WHAT?
I can just see you making your linguistic stretch in a bar or other populous environment, elbowing people in the ribs, wandering up to total strangers and shouting "Eh? Eh? Coolio! Cuolo! Get it! IT'S SIDE SPLITTINGLY HILARIOUS, PEOPLE! COME ON!".
Don't blame me when somebody punches you in the throat over it, though.
Yeah, I see a lot of factory workers posting on Slashdot at 12:58 PM.
Also, one time I totally strained my back typing on my keyboard all day.
Last time I checked, APIs in the sense that guy was talking about have NOTHING to do with the processor architecture. He's talking about someone writing their own libraries that can be linked with programs written for OS X under Linux on ANY platform.
You are correct that it is unlikely someone will write such a thing; however, your contempt for the VERY NOTION of it is pretty god damn funny considering The Mono Project
Yes, I used the wrong term, my mistake. However, what you are describing is not at all what I or the post I replied to were discussing - we were talking more about a half and half sort of situation where GPL code is mixed with proprietary code in a potentially illegal fashion. And it was all hypothetical anyway; we don't actually know the reason VIA yanked the code.
I loved that fucking game. In fact, with the possible exception of the Baldur's Gate series, I still don't think anyone has made a better RPG than Ultima.
If it's dual licensed then only one part of the code is GPL. It's not that certain people get the code under GPL and some other people don't. And if there was a legality issue with say 50% of the code, you'd have to strip all of that out before it was legal for you to redistribute it.
Otherwise, you could take that Win2K source that was lost/stolen/whatever, make some GPL project out of it, and suddenly it would be completely legal. It doesn't work that way.
I absolutely can not agree with McCain's position on this. I realize that cable companies have access to a pervasive infrastructure and so I am not so much questioning whether the government has the right to make ANY regulations, but this seems a little extreme.
Why not mandate what the content of cable television might be? Hell, we already have the FCC going completely ballistic over Janet Jackson' s nipple, right? Let's spread that over to cable too. It's not that big of a stretch really when you consider that a boring old man is already, RIGHT NOW, trying to mandate what type of product MUST be sold by cable companies.
Gotta agree with you on pretty much everything, man. Truthfully, I did it all for the sarcasm.
As for Bud, I drink it anyway but I have already explained why on Slashdot several times. Here are two important reasons (the only two reasons) why people justifiably drink cheap beer:
1. It is cheap and easy to get a hold of. This is a combinational reason. Either one alone would not be enough to justify drinking what is, ostensibly, an inferior product. It is cheaper than a lot of beer (and also incidentally it tastes better in general than even cheaper easily obtainable beer such as PBR, Old Style, Busch, etc.) and you can get it at pretty much every single place you buy liquor. If I want slightly more expensive beer, I have to go to the grocery store. If I want *GOOD* beer I have to go to 1 of maybe 3 liquor stores in my town. 2 used to be nearby; now ZERO are since I moved. I drink a lot more cheap shit lately, consequently.
2. (the part I have previously espoused). The examples of things you listed as alternatives DO NOT TASTE THE SAME. This is important if you enjoy variety. Budweiser itself does NOT have a particularly distinctive taste in my opinion, but its CLASS of beers certainly does (Bud, Old Style, Busch, PBR, Miller, Coors, etc).
Sometimes that is exactly what you want to drink. Right now I am drinking a bottle of New Belgium Trippel. This shit has an ABV between 8 and 9 percent. It also probably has about 400 calories per bottle. If I didn't run 2 or 3 times a week I would be a gigantic fat ass for drinking that kind of shit. It tastes great, seriously, but it sits heavy. Heavy beer such as this one and Guiness and McEwan's and so forth give this disconcerting feel - it's as if you've consumed an eight course meal and as if you haven't eaten for a month, SIMULTANEOUSLY. I don't always want that heavy of a beverage. Bud and its extremely similar tasting american peers goes down easy, you don't start getting loopy off of just 3 or 4 bottles, you just relax a little.
And it doesn't taste bad. It really doesn't. It's just that a lot of people are hung up on how HORRIBLE it is if something tastes "default". You know what I like the taste of? Hot dogs. Sure, I love eating sushi at a Japanese restaurant. I also love the complex flavor of Thai curry. But that IN NO WAY means that I don't want to just have a fucking hamburger or a hot dog, or a plate of chicken wings now and again. Hot dogs are not made of quality materials and they cost $.89 a pack but they are DELICIOUS when you're in the mood.
Why do people have to be elitist about Bud and other cheap beers? What is the point? Why can't people just ENJOY something simple, something that comes entirely without any hint of pretension? That's all I'm saying.
Yeah you're right, let's all be 100% practical. PRIDE is completely meaningless.
Because seriously, it disturbs me that so many people buy into all of these mass market, cheap, convenient things which are set before them. Like lambs to the slaughter, eh? McDonald's, Starbucks, BUDWEISER, you see where I'm going with this?
Those poor simpletons and their easy, enjoyable choices. If only they had the money and inclination to always go out of their way to only buy the most expensive and inconvenient version of every product they ever wished to purchase, why, I guarantee you there would be several thousand fewer neanderthals in THIS country!
If only they had the sensibilities that WE have, and our ability to look down our noses at everything we deem inferior. I mean, I feel your irritation at items that are easily affordable and pleasing to gigantic market segments, brother. And what a surprise it is that practically everyone gravitates toward the most obvious choices! WHO WOULD HAVE THOUGHT? Those fucking sheep.
WHERE WERE YOU A YEAR AGO?!
God damn it I did both of those things and NOW YOUR FUCKING WARNING IS TOO LATE.
I LOVED Smash TV, although when I first became obsessed with it, it was the SNES version. Me and a friend played it pretty much every day until we beat it, at which point the game started over approximately four times as fast. We proceeded to play it every day until we finished that as well. (Hint: there's no reward for this other than YOUR MIND GETTING PERMANENTLY FUCKED)
That was about five years ago and I'm still twitching.
There are probably many scenarios by which this is not so far fetched as you believe - the most reasonable seems to be that the guy honestly thought that creating and maintaining the website for free would increase publicity for his other site(s), that it might lead to other more profitable career opportunites, establish his prowess as a web developer, etc. and that he realized at some point that it was NOT going to do these things for him and he needed a new plan - if you look at it in that way, he was never performing a selfless, generous act.
Even if you still don't agree with the above, there really is no explanation I can think of of why it would cost 300k to maintain a website for 3 years.
Could you perhaps put a few more acronyms in your post so it's EVEN MORE CLEAR?
I'd call it a shot as far as a term of measurement goes, and that guy probably would have too, but he was probably imagining you slamming it from a shotglass, and thus his reaction.
However, cheap blended scotch actually makes a pretty good shot, if you're in a bar doing shots with your drinkin' buddies or something. It's a lot more tasty than some other things I can think of. (Ever had an Exxon Valdez? DON'T.)
Grolsch Amber (from Holland) comes in a clear bottle and kicks some serious ass. And although the beer drinker's club here is going to throw rocks at me for saying this - there's always Corona.
Haven't had a lot of luck with green bottled beers, although I know I had at least one import, from Germany I think that turned out pretty good. (Name escapes me) I like Beck's all right I guess although I have had some skunky bottles of it.
Somebody brought some Moosehead to my house once though, and it tasted like someone had picked up a polecat off the ground and squeezed it into a bottle. NOT RECOMMENDED.
That's cool that you linked to Michael Jackson - I have a book about Scotch at home that he wrote and it has been very informative. With beer, I can afford to try a lot of different kinds without doing much or any research, whereas with Scotch, buying a bottle I don't care for could set me back $40-$50.
I haven't had much (possibly any) Belgian beer, just a whole lot of "Belgian style" beer which is also pretty good. I'll take a look around next time I'm at the liquor store.
Oh, by the way, you're ENTIRELY correct. I only drink PBR because Dennis Hopper screamed about it on Blue Velvet because I am an artsy beatnik and also simultaneously somehow I wear denim shirts and hang out in dimly lit pool halls with neon signs with a bunch of guys in construction helmets listening to Glory Days over and over on repeat.
Here's what ELSE you asserted (these are even SMARTER, incidentally, than your first one)
1. People only like X because they are:
A: artsy types who got it from some movie
B: "lowbrow snobs" meaning they must ONLY like the product they're discussing at the moment and NOTHING that YOU like
C: subscribing to the image of said product due to advertising - they COULDN'T simply have different tastes than you. PERISH THE THOUGHT.
2. You shouldn't drink (Bud,Old Style,PBR,Miller,Busch Light,etc.) Drink Guiness (or other stout). Drink this lager. Drink this porter.
#2 has been posted already by about 5,000 people before you. Know what? I LIKE porters, stouts, and lagers but they taste NOTHING AT ALL like pilsners. Why would I substitute one kind of beer I want to drink at the time for another one which tastes entirely different? Is that even supposed to make sense?
Well, hey, Germany has the Reinheitsgebot, and they do make the best beer in the world (in my limited opinion) but it IS pretty expensive, and though I too like Warsteiner more than Budweiser, it doesn't mean I ALWAYS want to drink it.
Incidentally, I like cheap coffee too. BUTTER NUT FOREVER. But why must everyone pick one side or the other? Can't there be a time for a $3 cup of coffee and a time where you make a pot of something like the above mentioned $2.50 per pound variety? I bet you'd be surprised how many people enjoy both on separate occasions.
Well I'm not going argue with your personal taste, because it's a purely subjective matter, and I used to not like cheap beer either, but I do disagree that there is "nothing pleasant about the taste" of Budweiser and so forth. It tastes like beer. Sometimes that's all you want.
Wrong. I love beer as well, and I find nothing really wrong at all with the taste of cheap beer. I love a wide range of tastes of beer, and cheap commercial beer has a distinct taste, especially among different brands, and they are among many others I enjoy. I like microbrews as well, but I also like the taste of Pabst Blue Ribbon and Old Style because they do not taste like other beers I drink and I am often in the mood for them.
I do think it's snotty to crap on them because they're big and commercial, and I think you're all a bunch of god damn yuppies and beer snobs. No offense.
Why the very thought of anyone drinking such a low class beverage has CAUSED MY MONOCLE TO POP RIGHT OUT! And really, who drinks beer in this day and age anyway? Everyone should drink only expensive wine and scotch.
Why just the other day my chauffer took a wrong turn off of the freeway and pulled me past this run down little liquor store where this shabby looking man (who by the way was driving a Pontiac! A PONTIAC!!!) who hadn't shaved for a couple of days was walking out with a bottle of Johnny Walker Red. RED LABEL?! I exclaimed, exhaling a puff of cigar smoke and tipping my top hat back in a bemused manner. WHO ARE THESE CRETINS? I practically had my driver phone the police right then and there.