Yeah, you can't judge battery life of the new quad-core SoCs by any current tech. The new dual-core ones have much better power management, as well as being built on a new process which makes them inherently more power-efficient as well. The quad-cores go even further with both. Dropping from a 45nm process to a 32 or 28nm process will drop power usage _significantly_, and the power usage in the new SoCs is WAY smarter than before. The new ones can vary the amount of power used PER core significantly, and can also power down individual cores entirely. The current single-core SoCs can vary the amount of power used a little bit, and that's about it. The chipsets are also shrinking their power usage, and new display technologies also help with this.
One of the new quad-core SoCs (can't remember which one) was claimed to be able to play like 4-5 hours of full HD video.
Something that would help these new phones get much better battery life would be a better network of cell towers, so they're not always hunting for a signal - that's a real drain on a cellphone.:(
Yeah, it's annoying, but it's also true that most people in the U.S. would balk at paying the real price of those high-end smartphones up front. We like to buy everything on credit and pay through the nose with installment plans. That's even how we pay for our military.:)
I'm wondering if the Sony NGP will be usable as a cellphone through Google Voice or Skype or something, and be available without the voice part of a plan. That would be enough for me, and for a lot of others, I suspect.
The whole idea of the rapture was invented by the fundamentalists. Other Christian sects had different end times philosophies.
The whole idea of Christ being divine was decided by the First Council of Nicaea. When you start convening councils to decide on which details will make up your religion, it really reminds me of the fights between which version fo emacs or vi is the 'one true way'. And just as relevant.:)
I really didn't need to know this. It's way too big an always-out-of-reach carrot for a guy who's always thought the pasture he couldn't see must surely be greener.
Be careful - that pasture may BE greener, but that green might also be a toxic slime mold.
The Sun won't extinguish life on Earth for billions of years. 6 million years ago we had a common ancestor with chimpanzees. If you think the dominant life form on Earth in 2 billion years will be "human", you are mistaken.
One unfortunately-timed solar eruption of a large enough magnitude could wipe out Earth any second. That's even aside from the threat of asteroid strikes, etc. There are no guarantees.
You need not worry about our temporary stall in space exploration. Once Starbuck's, McDonald's, AT&T and Comcast figure out how to make money from it, we'll have manned stations on every rock between here and the edge of the universe.
I think you're confusing Starbucks/McDonald's/AT&T/Comcast with the Hudson Bay Company. Very different business models. HBC, "Here Before Christ":)
The conservatives are just going to wait for the rapture.
Just think how disappointed they're going to be if the Rapture does actually come, and they find out Jesus actually _meant_ all that shit about peace and love thy neighbor, etc., and they don't qualify because they were so busy hating on everyone.
I'm not sure which I would wish for if the day comes - wanting to see them go so the rest of us can get on with things, or them NOT going, and then getting to see the looks on their faces.
Way to go in not knowing anything about what this year's crop of SoCs is capable of. Full-screen hardware accelerated video and flash is already here. The quad-core ones coming out later this year are capable of WAY more than that - MULTIPLE streams of hardware accelerated HD video, resolutions up to 2560x1600 and more. Sims and Second Life and full screen HD video are all very easy to accomplish on mobile SoCs by the end of this year. Get with the program.
It's not just you. It IS awkward. It's also the title of the next Star Wars movie. It's a prequel to the prequels, and concentrates mainly on the last Sith out of which Sidious became the only survivor. They include Darth Ellison, as well as the kinda-retarded Sith, Darths Fiorina and Whitman.
As an aside, Retarded Sith would be a great name for a band. Just sayin'.
*Caveat: There were some small bits of code that were not directly part of the Java source code, and not under the GPL, that Google was distributing. They've since stopped.
Last I read, it was found that they never actually distributed even that much, unless I'm mistaken.
>> But cellphones are about to be as powerful as desktop PCs and laptops.
> Not really. They're already as powerful as desktop PCs were in, I don't know, 2002. But by the time they're as powerful as today's desktop PCs, desktop PCs will be faster too -- if only because you can stuff a lot more cores in a PC with a 200W power budget than you can into a phone with a 1W power budget.
You're correct on the hardware end, but you're missing the meatspace implications.
Most people don't need a computer any more powerful than a 2002-era machine that has hardware accelerated video (unless you're a gamer, of course, or someone with a hobby or profession that requires something more). This is why so many people CAN still get things done with old machines. Stick a modern browser on a Windows 2000 box, and you can do basically everything most people need, as long as the video stuff is offloaded into a modern video card.
Cellphones are approaching that stage _rapidly_, and will most likely be there with the upcoming quad core SoCs coming out by the end of this year. The implementation as a desktop for the masses is a trivial exercise. A dock that lets you use your cellphone AS your primary Websurfing/emailing machine is all most people need at home. Game on your console or have a gaming rig set up if you need something more, but we're just about to the point of having all the computing power non-specialists need, all in a cellphone.
The new quad-core SoCs can drive 2560x1600 panels (and more), full Blu-Ray level 1080p HD video (multiple streams, even), etc. There's honestly just not that much LEFT that people need, from a practical standpoint.
Do you hear that? That is the sound of inevitability.
So performance similar to a Core 2 Duo (T72000) in a phone? Sa-weet! Gimme a dock so I can plug my 'phone' into and use my monitor/mouse/keyboard/internet connection, and that's all the computer I'll need for most purposes. I'll figure up the big boy when I need to use Photoshop or other intensive things.
Which just reinforces what I was saying - they're completely different designs, with completely different design goals, AND completely different generations. Any direct comparison at this point is ridiculous. Benchmark actual working silicon in real games and then you'll know, especially when you have to take into account things like RAM amount/type, storage amount/type, etc.
That only works when you're comparing apples to apples. Comparing what's in a PS3 to whatever process this CPU/GPU thing is going to be built on is apples-to-pomegranates.
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Yeah, you can't judge battery life of the new quad-core SoCs by any current tech. The new dual-core ones have much better power management, as well as being built on a new process which makes them inherently more power-efficient as well. The quad-cores go even further with both. Dropping from a 45nm process to a 32 or 28nm process will drop power usage _significantly_, and the power usage in the new SoCs is WAY smarter than before. The new ones can vary the amount of power used PER core significantly, and can also power down individual cores entirely. The current single-core SoCs can vary the amount of power used a little bit, and that's about it. The chipsets are also shrinking their power usage, and new display technologies also help with this.
One of the new quad-core SoCs (can't remember which one) was claimed to be able to play like 4-5 hours of full HD video.
Something that would help these new phones get much better battery life would be a better network of cell towers, so they're not always hunting for a signal - that's a real drain on a cellphone. :(
I think it just is Soylent Green.
And thats edible :)
Soylent Green is recycling, people! (also: Soylent Green is recycling people)
Yeah, it's annoying, but it's also true that most people in the U.S. would balk at paying the real price of those high-end smartphones up front. We like to buy everything on credit and pay through the nose with installment plans. That's even how we pay for our military. :)
I'm wondering if the Sony NGP will be usable as a cellphone through Google Voice or Skype or something, and be available without the voice part of a plan. That would be enough for me, and for a lot of others, I suspect.
Well, I can't moderate you up, but at least I can congratulate you on a well-chosen quote.
We 4-digit userIDs gotta stick together! Kids these days, it's like they don't even know what a book IS. *sigh* :)
The whole idea of the rapture was invented by the fundamentalists. Other Christian sects had different end times philosophies.
The whole idea of Christ being divine was decided by the First Council of Nicaea. When you start convening councils to decide on which details will make up your religion, it really reminds me of the fights between which version fo emacs or vi is the 'one true way'. And just as relevant. :)
I really didn't need to know this. It's way too big an always-out-of-reach carrot for a guy who's always thought the pasture he couldn't see must surely be greener.
Be careful - that pasture may BE greener, but that green might also be a toxic slime mold.
I started to read your comment, but then gave up when I realized you're really just meat that talks. Disgusting.
But if we find life on mars we got two points!
And if Mars is the Daily Double, we're golden!
The Sun won't extinguish life on Earth for billions of years. 6 million years ago we had a common ancestor with chimpanzees. If you think the dominant life form on Earth in 2 billion years will be "human", you are mistaken.
One unfortunately-timed solar eruption of a large enough magnitude could wipe out Earth any second. That's even aside from the threat of asteroid strikes, etc. There are no guarantees.
You need not worry about our temporary stall in space exploration. Once Starbuck's, McDonald's, AT&T and Comcast figure out how to make money from it, we'll have manned stations on every rock between here and the edge of the universe.
I think you're confusing Starbucks/McDonald's/AT&T/Comcast with the Hudson Bay Company. Very different business models. HBC, "Here Before Christ" :)
The conservatives are just going to wait for the rapture.
Just think how disappointed they're going to be if the Rapture does actually come, and they find out Jesus actually _meant_ all that shit about peace and love thy neighbor, etc., and they don't qualify because they were so busy hating on everyone.
I'm not sure which I would wish for if the day comes - wanting to see them go so the rest of us can get on with things, or them NOT going, and then getting to see the looks on their faces.
A difficult choice...
Way to go in not knowing anything about what this year's crop of SoCs is capable of. Full-screen hardware accelerated video and flash is already here. The quad-core ones coming out later this year are capable of WAY more than that - MULTIPLE streams of hardware accelerated HD video, resolutions up to 2560x1600 and more. Sims and Second Life and full screen HD video are all very easy to accomplish on mobile SoCs by the end of this year. Get with the program.
It's not just you. It IS awkward. It's also the title of the next Star Wars movie. It's a prequel to the prequels, and concentrates mainly on the last Sith out of which Sidious became the only survivor. They include Darth Ellison, as well as the kinda-retarded Sith, Darths Fiorina and Whitman.
As an aside, Retarded Sith would be a great name for a band. Just sayin'.
*Caveat: There were some small bits of code that were not directly part of the Java source code, and not under the GPL, that Google was distributing. They've since stopped.
Last I read, it was found that they never actually distributed even that much, unless I'm mistaken.
Jesus, but the new /. is a fucked-up mess. *sigh*
>> But cellphones are about to be as powerful as desktop PCs and laptops.
> Not really. They're already as powerful as desktop PCs were in, I don't know, 2002. But by the time they're as powerful as today's desktop PCs, desktop PCs will be faster too -- if only because you can stuff a lot more cores in a PC with a 200W power budget than you can into a phone with a 1W power budget.
You're correct on the hardware end, but you're missing the meatspace implications.
Most people don't need a computer any more powerful than a 2002-era machine that has hardware accelerated video (unless you're a gamer, of course, or someone with a hobby or profession that requires something more). This is why so many people CAN still get things done with old machines. Stick a modern browser on a Windows 2000 box, and you can do basically everything most people need, as long as the video stuff is offloaded into a modern video card.
Cellphones are approaching that stage _rapidly_, and will most likely be there with the upcoming quad core SoCs coming out by the end of this year. The implementation as a desktop for the masses is a trivial exercise. A dock that lets you use your cellphone AS your primary Websurfing/emailing machine is all most people need at home. Game on your console or have a gaming rig set up if you need something more, but we're just about to the point of having all the computing power non-specialists need, all in a cellphone.
The new quad-core SoCs can drive 2560x1600 panels (and more), full Blu-Ray level 1080p HD video (multiple streams, even), etc. There's honestly just not that much LEFT that people need, from a practical standpoint.
Do you hear that? That is the sound of inevitability.
No, not like that. That plugs the phone into a netbook-like enclosure. I'm talking about a dock that lets you use a real monitor, etc.
So performance similar to a Core 2 Duo (T72000) in a phone? Sa-weet! Gimme a dock so I can plug my 'phone' into and use my monitor/mouse/keyboard/internet connection, and that's all the computer I'll need for most purposes. I'll figure up the big boy when I need to use Photoshop or other intensive things.
This is political rocket science!
Will the HURD finally be completed? Mass hysteria!
"A device that cannot be replicated by legos is not worth understanding."
Excellent. And now I think we can get a nice research grant.
"A device is not truly understood until its function can be duplicated by Legos."
- Tumbleweed's Observation
non-scientific computers? So is there an even earlier computer that was in some way un-scientific?
Sure. The one in the human head.
Which just reinforces what I was saying - they're completely different designs, with completely different design goals, AND completely different generations. Any direct comparison at this point is ridiculous. Benchmark actual working silicon in real games and then you'll know, especially when you have to take into account things like RAM amount/type, storage amount/type, etc.
That only works when you're comparing apples to apples. Comparing what's in a PS3 to whatever process this CPU/GPU thing is going to be built on is apples-to-pomegranates.