I'm not sure about that. I think the real jewel is the sandboxed tab infrastructure. FF's tracemonkey js VM will (probably) be as fast or faster than V8, though I don't know enough technical details to compare the two in any other way.
The sandboxed tab infrastructure, though, that benefits every single thing you do with a browser, js or no. It'll be interesting to see what browser projects spring up out of this. Someone could take this, add XUL to it and whichever js VM they prefer, and have a nice sandboxed browser that could use some FF extensions. *That* would be quite interesting, though obviously an enormous amount of work.
Did they use large chunks of other open-source browsers? If so, which ones? And considering page rendering speed, it is highly optimised. Or lots of features other browsers have are missing.
And how do they manage to get JavaScript work so lightning fast?
Your questions were answered, in depth, by their extensive introductory 'comic book'.
The HTML/CSS renderer is Apple's WebKit, based on KHTML.
The javascript vm is supplied by a third-party in Denmark. It's fast because it's doing what FF 3.1's upcoming 'tracemonkey' js engine does - it now has a JIT compiler, rather like Java.
FYI - the benchmarks I've seen with Chrome beating FF 3.1 at js tests aren't testing with FF 3.1 with tracemonkey, so I'm looking forward to those comparisons.:)
1. The memory tool that displays per-tab mem usage. 2. Sensible memory management. 3. Fast? 4. Sandboxed tabs.
As far as I'm concerned, point 4 is the killer feature for me of Chrome. I won't use it as my default browser until several of my must-have extensions are availble for it (via Google Gears, I assume), but that's the kind of infrastructure planning that's hurting Firefox in a big way. Adobe's buggy Flash player shouldn't be ABLE to crash the browser, or even temporarily lock it up! The Flash specs are all open now, so hopefully one of the open source projects will soon be able to update everything they couldn't reverse engineer and get something decent out the door, but if not, Chrome will surely mature within a few months to have most of the functionality I need on a MUCH better thought-out platform than FF.
It's very minimalist, meaning: it doesn't have a lot of features compared to Firefox, and certainly not when compared to Firefox with several extensions as I prefer to run it.
It's certainly very snappy. I've seen one site that did some js benchmarking and found it's around 2x faster than FF, but then again, I've been hearing that FF 3.1 should be 10-20x faster at js than FF 3.0, so we'll see how the speed boost comparison holds up in the end.
My CCS3 rounded corners test page that works with FF2/3/Safari3 doesn't seem to be completely working with Chrome, but I may have done something wrong, so I'll check into that.
Features wise, this is more like a browser I'd expect to see on a mobile platform, not on a desktop machine.
A great first attempt, though. Now let's see some Google Gears-based extensions!
What comes next from a world like that? I predict that they'll announce a project to release Google's own general purpose programming language. I've seen it before. Objective-C anyone? C#? Eiffel?
Google has no reason to promote a general purpose programming language.
However, Google Gears will catch on bigtime if Google Chrome does. Gotta extend this thing somehow.
But this still doesn't automatically mean he was "eliminated" for his views on the Russian government.
Quite true. This could easily be the normal case of police murdering someone for kicks. You know, like the cops in the U.S. do with multiple taser hits on people unconscious or otherwise already subdued. The code of silence is truly an amazing display of brotherhood and honor.
Only thing speaking against Sweden as far as I can see is that it might not be exotic enough for your taste since it both culturally and geographically is quite close to your neighbor in north, Canada.
What, Canada's near America? Wow, I hadn't heard that!
If it were an alpha release then that's fine. But...
You seem to think that MS follows the 'traditional' method of development phase naming schemes: alpha means still adding features, beta is bug fixes only, etc. But that's obviously not the case with MS or (most?) other major software vendors, and hasn't been for YEARS. MS (and others) still add features even in very late beta, if not 'release candidate' phase. Hell, what MS and others usually *release* is what most of us older computer folk would have considered *beta* back in the day.
As far as IE8, just remember: IE ain't done till CSS won't run.
Prove me wrong, MS. I'll hold my breath; I look great in blue.
Nah, I'm not really caught in a crossfire. I still prefer my trusty old Perl over these illegitimate kids and cousins - PHP, Ruby, Python, etc etc.
Not a great analogy to make your point, because when talking about scripting languages in that way, perl is basically that weird old guy down the street who keeps trying to talk little kids into coming into his house to play with his new puppy. *shudder* There's just something *wrong* with that guy.
she's a vicepresident candidate and has MORE government experience than Obama
Uhm, not quite:
From Wikipedia:
Barack Obama:
Senator: January 4, 2005 to now (3.5 years)
Illinois Senate: January 8, 1997 - November 4, 2004 (8 years)
Sarah Palin:
Governor: December 4, 2006 - now (not quite 2 years)
Mayor: 1996 - 2002 (6 years)
Welcome to Math 101.
That said, I like her stance on corruption, but she's only the VP candidate, so being VP under someone whose campaign is pretty much owned by the special interests she spurns is going to cripple any chance she has of doing anything unless McCain kicks the bucket.
She's also a creationist, anti-abortion, anti-contraception (!), all of which adds up to someone that Hillary supporters will have a hard time with.
I dunno whether this is a smart move by McCain or not, but you rarely go wrong counting on voters to be stupid, so it may help in the end. The GOP doesn't represent Republican voters, as they're clearly not for smaller government or less government spending (see also: Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43 with a vengeance), or securing America (Bush 43, again with the vengeance), but the GOP always manages to sucker the Republican populace into *believing* they are for those things by *simply* saying they are. McCain doesn't have to win over any blue states, he just needs to tip enough states that are in contention.
> Then again, most Americans aren't all that hip on living in a desert.
Considering the population growth of cities like Phoenix and Dubai, I don't think the "living in the desert" thing turns people off so much. Maybe it's being packed like sardines, though,...;-)
The population of desert cities in the U.S. is very minor compared to the U.S. as a whole. I stand by my statement, especially the 'most Americans' part, which you missed.
If you're already living in the Middle East, I'm sure the high-tech places in Dubai would look pretty attractive if you could afford it.
Paolo Soleri would be so proud, especially since it's being conceived as almost carbon-neutral. Soleri's latest project, Arcosanti, doesn't seem to be catching on (only 3% completed since 1970?!). Then again, most Americans aren't all that hip on living in a desert.
At this point, as long as I can watch HD video without any noticeable slowdowns, I'm good. A GPU or integrated video solution that can do that plus some energy efficient CPU is really all I'm interested now. The software issues with the 4500HD are disappointing, but hopefully it's *just* a software issue this time, and can be fixed soon enough.
Then again, that's just me; I'm not a gamer or video editor.
Just because something isn't shiny and new doesn't mean it's useless.
IE6 is worse than useless - it's *dangerous* to users, and financially damaging to the Web industry as a whole. Taking pride in using buggy software is kinda crazy.
With all the things to do in South Dakota... the fact that you'd single out Mount Rushmore as "the best" shows that you aren't aware of the beauty of the area surrounding it.
Don't try to fool me. I drove across the entire state, thus my advice to see Mt. Rushmore and immediately leave. Unless you like playing with Buffalo or tumbleweeds, it's basically frickin' Mars. Some people like living in desolation, but I'm not one of them. At least on Mars, you'd have some fun with the lower gravity.
Ya know, having been there, I'm pretty sure Devil's Tower is in Wyoming.:)
Trippy place, everyone should visit it if given the chance. And since you'll be nearby, check out Mount Rushmore, just over the border in South Dakota (then leave South Dakota as soon as you're done). Other things to see in Wyoming include the Grand Tetons (which make the Rockies look rather sickly in comparison), and Yellowstone National Park (where Old Faithful is, among other things). Oh, and that gas station in Gillette that sells the tequila suckers (with worm).
From reading the article, it's not clear to me exactly what this will do, aside from make some HTML5 elements available. Will this fix IE's numerous CSS flaws? To me, that is *vastly* more important than adding HTML5 stuff.
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The other hope is that this becomes a browser arms race that leads everyone to improve. Firefox gets better, simply because Chrome exists.
Ahh, the Code War returns! "Give me a ping, Vasily. One ping, only."
Yeah, it's not like IE was pushing FF to get any better. :)
One of the comments on that page seems to indicate the tracemonkey JIT might not have been enabled. We'll see.
I'm not sure about that. I think the real jewel is the sandboxed tab infrastructure. FF's tracemonkey js VM will (probably) be as fast or faster than V8, though I don't know enough technical details to compare the two in any other way.
The sandboxed tab infrastructure, though, that benefits every single thing you do with a browser, js or no. It'll be interesting to see what browser projects spring up out of this. Someone could take this, add XUL to it and whichever js VM they prefer, and have a nice sandboxed browser that could use some FF extensions. *That* would be quite interesting, though obviously an enormous amount of work.
Did they use large chunks of other open-source browsers? If so, which ones? And considering page rendering speed, it is highly optimised. Or lots of features other browsers have are missing.
And how do they manage to get JavaScript work so lightning fast?
Your questions were answered, in depth, by their extensive introductory 'comic book'.
The HTML/CSS renderer is Apple's WebKit, based on KHTML.
The javascript vm is supplied by a third-party in Denmark. It's fast because it's doing what FF 3.1's upcoming 'tracemonkey' js engine does - it now has a JIT compiler, rather like Java.
FYI - the benchmarks I've seen with Chrome beating FF 3.1 at js tests aren't testing with FF 3.1 with tracemonkey, so I'm looking forward to those comparisons. :)
1. The memory tool that displays per-tab mem usage.
2. Sensible memory management.
3. Fast?
4. Sandboxed tabs.
As far as I'm concerned, point 4 is the killer feature for me of Chrome. I won't use it as my default browser until several of my must-have extensions are availble for it (via Google Gears, I assume), but that's the kind of infrastructure planning that's hurting Firefox in a big way. Adobe's buggy Flash player shouldn't be ABLE to crash the browser, or even temporarily lock it up! The Flash specs are all open now, so hopefully one of the open source projects will soon be able to update everything they couldn't reverse engineer and get something decent out the door, but if not, Chrome will surely mature within a few months to have most of the functionality I need on a MUCH better thought-out platform than FF.
It's very minimalist, meaning: it doesn't have a lot of features compared to Firefox, and certainly not when compared to Firefox with several extensions as I prefer to run it.
It's certainly very snappy. I've seen one site that did some js benchmarking and found it's around 2x faster than FF, but then again, I've been hearing that FF 3.1 should be 10-20x faster at js than FF 3.0, so we'll see how the speed boost comparison holds up in the end.
My CCS3 rounded corners test page that works with FF2/3/Safari3 doesn't seem to be completely working with Chrome, but I may have done something wrong, so I'll check into that.
Features wise, this is more like a browser I'd expect to see on a mobile platform, not on a desktop machine.
A great first attempt, though. Now let's see some Google Gears-based extensions!
What comes next from a world like that? I predict that they'll announce a project to release Google's own general purpose programming language. I've seen it before. Objective-C anyone? C#? Eiffel?
Google has no reason to promote a general purpose programming language.
However, Google Gears will catch on bigtime if Google Chrome does. Gotta extend this thing somehow.
"Kill the beast, NOW!"
Can't say I've ever heard of cops killing anyone with multiple taser hits after they were already unconcious or otherwise subdued.
Ever.
You don't really read the news at ALL, do you?
But this still doesn't automatically mean he was "eliminated" for his views on the Russian government.
Quite true. This could easily be the normal case of police murdering someone for kicks. You know, like the cops in the U.S. do with multiple taser hits on people unconscious or otherwise already subdued. The code of silence is truly an amazing display of brotherhood and honor.
Only thing speaking against Sweden as far as I can see is that it might not be exotic enough for your taste since it both culturally and geographically is quite close to your neighbor in north, Canada.
What, Canada's near America? Wow, I hadn't heard that!
If it were an alpha release then that's fine. But...
You seem to think that MS follows the 'traditional' method of development phase naming schemes: alpha means still adding features, beta is bug fixes only, etc. But that's obviously not the case with MS or (most?) other major software vendors, and hasn't been for YEARS. MS (and others) still add features even in very late beta, if not 'release candidate' phase. Hell, what MS and others usually *release* is what most of us older computer folk would have considered *beta* back in the day.
As far as IE8, just remember: IE ain't done till CSS won't run.
Prove me wrong, MS. I'll hold my breath; I look great in blue.
What did they use to code the Matrix?
64-bit asm, carbon unit. Suck it.
Nah, I'm not really caught in a crossfire. I still prefer my trusty old Perl over these illegitimate kids and cousins - PHP, Ruby, Python, etc etc.
Not a great analogy to make your point, because when talking about scripting languages in that way, perl is basically that weird old guy down the street who keeps trying to talk little kids into coming into his house to play with his new puppy. *shudder* There's just something *wrong* with that guy.
she's a vicepresident candidate and has MORE government experience than Obama
Uhm, not quite:
From Wikipedia:
Barack Obama:
Senator:
January 4, 2005 to now (3.5 years)
Illinois Senate:
January 8, 1997 - November 4, 2004 (8 years)
Sarah Palin:
Governor:
December 4, 2006 - now (not quite 2 years)
Mayor:
1996 - 2002 (6 years)
Welcome to Math 101.
That said, I like her stance on corruption, but she's only the VP candidate, so being VP under someone whose campaign is pretty much owned by the special interests she spurns is going to cripple any chance she has of doing anything unless McCain kicks the bucket.
She's also a creationist, anti-abortion, anti-contraception (!), all of which adds up to someone that Hillary supporters will have a hard time with.
I dunno whether this is a smart move by McCain or not, but you rarely go wrong counting on voters to be stupid, so it may help in the end. The GOP doesn't represent Republican voters, as they're clearly not for smaller government or less government spending (see also: Reagan, Bush 41 and Bush 43 with a vengeance), or securing America (Bush 43, again with the vengeance), but the GOP always manages to sucker the Republican populace into *believing* they are for those things by *simply* saying they are. McCain doesn't have to win over any blue states, he just needs to tip enough states that are in contention.
> Then again, most Americans aren't all that hip on living in a desert.
Considering the population growth of cities like Phoenix and Dubai, I don't think the "living in the desert" thing turns people off so much. Maybe it's being packed like sardines, though,... ;-)
The population of desert cities in the U.S. is very minor compared to the U.S. as a whole. I stand by my statement, especially the 'most Americans' part, which you missed.
If you're already living in the Middle East, I'm sure the high-tech places in Dubai would look pretty attractive if you could afford it.
I'll stay in Seattle, thanks.
Sure, it'll be all fun and games ... until a Goa'uld ship lands on it. Then, not so much.
Dubai considering building Arcologies! =)
Paolo Soleri would be so proud, especially since it's being conceived as almost carbon-neutral. Soleri's latest project, Arcosanti, doesn't seem to be catching on (only 3% completed since 1970?!). Then again, most Americans aren't all that hip on living in a desert.
At this point, as long as I can watch HD video without any noticeable slowdowns, I'm good. A GPU or integrated video solution that can do that plus some energy efficient CPU is really all I'm interested now. The software issues with the 4500HD are disappointing, but hopefully it's *just* a software issue this time, and can be fixed soon enough.
Then again, that's just me; I'm not a gamer or video editor.
Just because something isn't shiny and new doesn't mean it's useless.
IE6 is worse than useless - it's *dangerous* to users, and financially damaging to the Web industry as a whole. Taking pride in using buggy software is kinda crazy.
I wish the summary would have said why they're so hell-bent on getting users to upgrade.
And people wonder why IE6 is still in such widespread use. *sigh*
With all the things to do in South Dakota... the fact that you'd single out Mount Rushmore as "the best" shows that you aren't aware of the beauty of the area surrounding it.
Don't try to fool me. I drove across the entire state, thus my advice to see Mt. Rushmore and immediately leave. Unless you like playing with Buffalo or tumbleweeds, it's basically frickin' Mars. Some people like living in desolation, but I'm not one of them. At least on Mars, you'd have some fun with the lower gravity.
The Grand Tetons are part of the Rockies, FYI.
Sorry, "the rest of the Rockies".
landfills in New Mexico near Devil's Tower
Ya know, having been there, I'm pretty sure Devil's Tower is in Wyoming. :)
Trippy place, everyone should visit it if given the chance. And since you'll be nearby, check out Mount Rushmore, just over the border in South Dakota (then leave South Dakota as soon as you're done). Other things to see in Wyoming include the Grand Tetons (which make the Rockies look rather sickly in comparison), and Yellowstone National Park (where Old Faithful is, among other things). Oh, and that gas station in Gillette that sells the tequila suckers (with worm).
From reading the article, it's not clear to me exactly what this will do, aside from make some HTML5 elements available. Will this fix IE's numerous CSS flaws? To me, that is *vastly* more important than adding HTML5 stuff.