So when does it get to the point where Microsoft is just an easy target for getting some extra revenue for a government?
I highly doubt anyone on here would notice, with all the MS love everyone shows, but something tells me that fines are not going to be the best way to solve the problem. Sure they might deserve a lot of fines, but when will governments start thinking "Hrm, we're a bit low on revenue...lets fine MS!"
Someone want to provide the spammers with the fax numbers and e-mail addresses of all the Forbes staff and see what they say after a few days?
I honestly cannot see how you could defend something like this. These people that are suing are doing so under the law, since these companies are doing something illegal.
Its kinda like the talk almost everyone had with their parents: "Keep calling someone a name/pushing them/making fun of them/..., and if they punch you in the face, its YOUR fault."
how the hell do you respond to this? HP is the largest PC manufacturer behind Dell, correct? And Dell has its plans to do its own Music Store, correct?
So Apple, who has already made great inroads to the PC market, is going to make it in even deeper. I think this bodes well for Apple, and I don't know how even MS could fight this off, at least not without doing something that would violate the rulings or what not from the monopoly trial.
Of course, if they did do something that might violate it, and it wouldn't surprise me if they did and it went unnoticed, this time Apple might get into it...
Anyways, the only bad thing I can see coming out of this for Apple is the fact that it might stop people from switching to Apple computers, since, unless the marketing is done well, newbies might not realize this is an Apple product, not an HP product.
BTW, I didn't RTFA so feel free to flame me, but how will Apple keep the supply up? Is HP going to help manufacturing etc.?
Ahhhh....how the world would be a better place if everyone was required to take a yearly course in logic, deductive reasoning, and now, internet searching....
Would YOU want to admit that your company made that big of a mistake? One question that no one I know ever gets tired of asking or hearing: How the HELL did they even think about canceling Family Guy, much less actually do it!?
My girlfriend got me the third season for my bday, and I forced my mom to watch it. Needless to say, after the first one, she wasn't moving. I think she got more of the jokes than me, her being older and understanding some of the more obscure references.
Its actually quite funny when you watch the show, because two questions when seperate are not worthy of notice, but together make an odd pair....
1. How did they even manage to get the show on the air in the first place ( Honestly, the show is VERY vulgar...never seen anything like it on a national TV channel). Hell, its vulgarity is almost a slightly less blatant South Park. Same jokes, just not so obvious...
2. How did they ever take it off once they started it?
Everytime I read these little gems I think to one of my favorite recent SNL skits where Darrell Hammond plays Chris Matthews (Hardball) and they have Tracy Morgan playing one of the fringe black political leaders (I want to say its Rev. Al Sharpton, but I don't think so) and making absolutely ridiculous claims and saying insanely random phrases...
I remember, even 5 years ago, when I got my first car and started looking into car audio and such, the place I went had satellite equipment for mobile homes and such. One of the options was the one that would stay trained on the satellite. And judging by the age on the posters and ads, it was probably much older than that.
This almost doubles the fodder for Microsoft conspiracy buffs!
They can't turn a profit, now they're going to pay people to stay away from Linux, even if its not their product they migrate to.
So its either the worst business decision of all time, or they are getting paid elsewhere for everyone that migrates to either their products, or, most likely, Windows!?
This article got accepted but my article about the Diebold memo's getting pulled down didn't? Either someone's not RTFA or they have some screwed up priorities...
So that means I, as a Mac user, have been molded by Apple into accepting that I'm not going to have different choices?
Maybe its just because I'm studying CS, but you'd think the design philosophy of having a smaller, more specialized application for music, and a smaller more specialized app for video would make sense. God I'd hate it if I opened up either iTunes or Quicktime and had to wait even 5 seconds for it to load a 5 meg file....
That and Windows Media Player's visuals are...well...crap.
No, thats a horrible analogy. This situation involves a low battery warning, then the battery going too low to support the power necessary to keep it stable.
Your analogy is like saying you get a low battery warning and the wheel falls off. Not related.
On the other hand, the analogy you reference could better be stated, the oil pressure light comes on in your car and then the car dies a mile down the road.
No, actually I think these are marketed as the next personal transport, ala bicycles.
I HIGHLY doubt they would promote this as an alternative to a wheel chair, when Dean's other invention, which this is based on, IS a wheelchair that rises to an average person's eye level, balances on two wheels, and goes up stairs.
Promoting the Segway as an alternative to a wheelchair kinda eats into that market...
If you read the article, or glanced it, you certainly saw the picture of the tree in a pot, in the middle of nowhere, with the caption "As seen in the Jurassic Age".
I wonder if this means Apple will get a Windows version of iTunes out sooner. With this announcement, and Dell's already well established consumer base, Apple's hopes of trying to capture the PC market might be thwarted if they don't act fast...
I think it was mentioned in an article or some comments a while back that they would "offer" popular songs and record people downloading them. Not to mention they can search for the songs themselves and simply list all the user names that pop up in a search for a group/artist.
Oh, and er...you CAN search by username and pull up a list of the songs each username has for download. At least in most of them you can.
Ok, now I'm going to preface this with the statement I've been known to spout my mouth off and look like an idiot before, and this COULD be one of those times. I also did not read any of the other info on it other than what was in the description.
It would seem to me that the stock response is that "Adware is bad and this is going to hurt the consumers!"
As far as I can see, the only thing UHaul complained about was the fact that the adware would popup ads for another truck rental company over top the UHaul page. Accordingly, the whole existence of adware was not at stake, simply the fact that instead of a popup ad for a competing company, the content of the popup would have to be something else, say, herbal viagra, or none at all.
So the adware would have been rendered less effective in this one case, which as I see it, is probably a pretty limited case, affecting the number of popups minimally. I don't have much experience with adware, since I have a Mac and most of my Window's experience is using university computers, which lack any adware (at least the ones I've used). But I would assume that this type of popup is usually pretty rare compared to the random, unrelated popup.
A slightly similar metaphor would be walking into a convienence store and wanting to purchase a 20 oz. Coke. You go to open the refrigerator door, and lo and behold, on the window is an add for the new Pepsi Vanilla in between you and the Coke itself. I don't know if that's illegal, but I doubt it.
And another thing to consider, these are actually, in my opinion, the least annoying ads. You go to see what the rates are for UHaul, and you have an ad popping up that includes a deal for 50% off at a competitor. We might ignore it on principle, whereas mom and dad might look at it, and say, "Hey! I'll compare the two places!" It might even save them money.
Compare that to me receiving e-mails for viagra, which is of little use to a 20 y/o. Or most of us.
Ads that are reaching their correct target audience are generally not as "bad" as untargetted ads.
So I guess to sum it up, yes, adware == bad, but the effect of this ruling was probably minimal, but if the ruling was the other way around, it would probably have had a minimal affect as well. So either people decided not to read even the description and just go off of the keyword "Adware", or I should have read a bit more. Please feel free to explain why I'm an idiot if I am...:D!
There HAS to be a catch somewhere...they threaten to sue the end users, yet not the companies that are actually SELLING their IP? Maybe this is the beginning of the end, but I doubt it...
You are a bit incorrect there...there are times when property outranks free speech. One example is hypothetical, but is drawn from real life examples.
You're a doctor who specializes in abortion. In many states (Possibly the nation, but I'm not sure that the Supreme Court has ever ruled on something like this) it would be illegal for protesters to protest on the property of your abortion clinic. Lets take this one step further, in a situation that the Supreme Court would highly rule in favor of property. You're the doctor still, but this time the protesters are out on your front lawn picketing. You think the Supreme Court would rule for the people protesting? Highly unlikely.
That being said, the Supreme Court would probably not review it and let the state's supreme court decide. And in the case that we're talking about, DeCSS, the outcome would probably not be the same as my scenario. BUT what you say is not correct.
I agree with you, but feel the last paragraph might be a bit out line. They still must remember that Apple IS a for-profit corporation, and their main focus is their shareholders, hence profit. It would not be viable to release the entire OS under any form of free license, as a previous poster described well.
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So when does it get to the point where Microsoft is just an easy target for getting some extra revenue for a government?
I highly doubt anyone on here would notice, with all the MS love everyone shows, but something tells me that fines are not going to be the best way to solve the problem. Sure they might deserve a lot of fines, but when will governments start thinking "Hrm, we're a bit low on revenue...lets fine MS!"
Blake
Someone want to provide the spammers with the fax numbers and e-mail addresses of all the Forbes staff and see what they say after a few days?
I honestly cannot see how you could defend something like this. These people that are suing are doing so under the law, since these companies are doing something illegal.
Its kinda like the talk almost everyone had with their parents: "Keep calling someone a name/pushing them/making fun of them/..., and if they punch you in the face, its YOUR fault."
Blake
how the hell do you respond to this? HP is the largest PC manufacturer behind Dell, correct? And Dell has its plans to do its own Music Store, correct?
So Apple, who has already made great inroads to the PC market, is going to make it in even deeper. I think this bodes well for Apple, and I don't know how even MS could fight this off, at least not without doing something that would violate the rulings or what not from the monopoly trial.
Of course, if they did do something that might violate it, and it wouldn't surprise me if they did and it went unnoticed, this time Apple might get into it...
Anyways, the only bad thing I can see coming out of this for Apple is the fact that it might stop people from switching to Apple computers, since, unless the marketing is done well, newbies might not realize this is an Apple product, not an HP product.
BTW, I didn't RTFA so feel free to flame me, but how will Apple keep the supply up? Is HP going to help manufacturing etc.?
Blake
Ahhhh....how the world would be a better place if everyone was required to take a yearly course in logic, deductive reasoning, and now, internet searching....
Blake
a REALLY small beowulf cluster of...oh nevermind....
Would YOU want to admit that your company made that big of a mistake? One question that no one I know ever gets tired of asking or hearing: How the HELL did they even think about canceling Family Guy, much less actually do it!?
My girlfriend got me the third season for my bday, and I forced my mom to watch it. Needless to say, after the first one, she wasn't moving. I think she got more of the jokes than me, her being older and understanding some of the more obscure references.
Its actually quite funny when you watch the show, because two questions when seperate are not worthy of notice, but together make an odd pair....
1. How did they even manage to get the show on the air in the first place ( Honestly, the show is VERY vulgar...never seen anything like it on a national TV channel). Hell, its vulgarity is almost a slightly less blatant South Park. Same jokes, just not so obvious...
2. How did they ever take it off once they started it?
Blake
Everytime I read these little gems I think to one of my favorite recent SNL skits where Darrell Hammond plays Chris Matthews (Hardball) and they have Tracy Morgan playing one of the fringe black political leaders (I want to say its Rev. Al Sharpton, but I don't think so) and making absolutely ridiculous claims and saying insanely random phrases...
Blake
How much would you have paid to have been there (or be there) when RMS, Linus, et al. get served their subpoena's?
Blake
I remember, even 5 years ago, when I got my first car and started looking into car audio and such, the place I went had satellite equipment for mobile homes and such. One of the options was the one that would stay trained on the satellite. And judging by the age on the posters and ads, it was probably much older than that.
This certainly is nothing new...
Blake
that an article like this would have stuck out as something that would be hard to forget. Fart sniffing, etc...
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So why is this a couple months late?
http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/0
Blake
This almost doubles the fodder for Microsoft conspiracy buffs!
They can't turn a profit, now they're going to pay people to stay away from Linux, even if its not their product they migrate to.
So its either the worst business decision of all time, or they are getting paid elsewhere for everyone that migrates to either their products, or, most likely, Windows!?
Blake
DoCoMo had a concept of this that I remember reading about almost two, maybe three years ago! On here even!
Blake
This article got accepted but my article about the Diebold memo's getting pulled down didn't? Either someone's not RTFA or they have some screwed up priorities...
Blake
I look at those, and although the UI looks pretty (Maybe a bit big, but still pretty) one glaring thing is the system text seems to be anti-aliased.
After using Mac OS X, its hard to look at that without immediately coming to the conclusion its unrefined and hard to use.
Blake
So that means I, as a Mac user, have been molded by Apple into accepting that I'm not going to have different choices?
Maybe its just because I'm studying CS, but you'd think the design philosophy of having a smaller, more specialized application for music, and a smaller more specialized app for video would make sense. God I'd hate it if I opened up either iTunes or Quicktime and had to wait even 5 seconds for it to load a 5 meg file....
That and Windows Media Player's visuals are...well...crap.
Blake
No, thats a horrible analogy. This situation involves a low battery warning, then the battery going too low to support the power necessary to keep it stable.
Your analogy is like saying you get a low battery warning and the wheel falls off. Not related.
On the other hand, the analogy you reference could better be stated, the oil pressure light comes on in your car and then the car dies a mile down the road.
Blake
No, actually I think these are marketed as the next personal transport, ala bicycles.
I HIGHLY doubt they would promote this as an alternative to a wheel chair, when Dean's other invention, which this is based on, IS a wheelchair that rises to an average person's eye level, balances on two wheels, and goes up stairs.
Promoting the Segway as an alternative to a wheelchair kinda eats into that market...
Blake
If you read the article, or glanced it, you certainly saw the picture of the tree in a pot, in the middle of nowhere, with the caption "As seen in the Jurassic Age".
Apparently someone back then was into pottery...
Blake
I wonder if this means Apple will get a Windows version of iTunes out sooner. With this announcement, and Dell's already well established consumer base, Apple's hopes of trying to capture the PC market might be thwarted if they don't act fast...
Blake
I think it was mentioned in an article or some comments a while back that they would "offer" popular songs and record people downloading them. Not to mention they can search for the songs themselves and simply list all the user names that pop up in a search for a group/artist.
Oh, and er...you CAN search by username and pull up a list of the songs each username has for download. At least in most of them you can.
Blake
Ok, now I'm going to preface this with the statement I've been known to spout my mouth off and look like an idiot before, and this COULD be one of those times. I also did not read any of the other info on it other than what was in the description.
It would seem to me that the stock response is that "Adware is bad and this is going to hurt the consumers!"
As far as I can see, the only thing UHaul complained about was the fact that the adware would popup ads for another truck rental company over top the UHaul page. Accordingly, the whole existence of adware was not at stake, simply the fact that instead of a popup ad for a competing company, the content of the popup would have to be something else, say, herbal viagra, or none at all.
So the adware would have been rendered less effective in this one case, which as I see it, is probably a pretty limited case, affecting the number of popups minimally. I don't have much experience with adware, since I have a Mac and most of my Window's experience is using university computers, which lack any adware (at least the ones I've used). But I would assume that this type of popup is usually pretty rare compared to the random, unrelated popup.
A slightly similar metaphor would be walking into a convienence store and wanting to purchase a 20 oz. Coke. You go to open the refrigerator door, and lo and behold, on the window is an add for the new Pepsi Vanilla in between you and the Coke itself. I don't know if that's illegal, but I doubt it.
And another thing to consider, these are actually, in my opinion, the least annoying ads. You go to see what the rates are for UHaul, and you have an ad popping up that includes a deal for 50% off at a competitor. We might ignore it on principle, whereas mom and dad might look at it, and say, "Hey! I'll compare the two places!" It might even save them money.
Compare that to me receiving e-mails for viagra, which is of little use to a 20 y/o. Or most of us.
Ads that are reaching their correct target audience are generally not as "bad" as untargetted ads.
So I guess to sum it up, yes, adware == bad, but the effect of this ruling was probably minimal, but if the ruling was the other way around, it would probably have had a minimal affect as well. So either people decided not to read even the description and just go off of the keyword "Adware", or I should have read a bit more. Please feel free to explain why I'm an idiot if I am...:D!
Blake
There HAS to be a catch somewhere...they threaten to sue the end users, yet not the companies that are actually SELLING their IP? Maybe this is the beginning of the end, but I doubt it...
Blake
THIS is exactly what people in Texas need to send to the state attorney general!
Blake
You are a bit incorrect there...there are times when property outranks free speech. One example is hypothetical, but is drawn from real life examples.
You're a doctor who specializes in abortion. In many states (Possibly the nation, but I'm not sure that the Supreme Court has ever ruled on something like this) it would be illegal for protesters to protest on the property of your abortion clinic. Lets take this one step further, in a situation that the Supreme Court would highly rule in favor of property. You're the doctor still, but this time the protesters are out on your front lawn picketing. You think the Supreme Court would rule for the people protesting? Highly unlikely.
That being said, the Supreme Court would probably not review it and let the state's supreme court decide. And in the case that we're talking about, DeCSS, the outcome would probably not be the same as my scenario. BUT what you say is not correct.
Blake
I agree with you, but feel the last paragraph might be a bit out line. They still must remember that Apple IS a for-profit corporation, and their main focus is their shareholders, hence profit. It would not be viable to release the entire OS under any form of free license, as a previous poster described well.
Blake