By the time these kids grow up, "programming skills" will be obsolete, same as slide rules became obsolete a generation ago. Let the kids be kids, and concentrate on the basics. There are too many supposedly intelligent adults here on slashdot who still can't tell the difference between "brake" and "break", "rain", "reign", and "rein", etc.
For once, don't "think of the children." There are already too many people trying to make money for themselves by pushing the next generation into being low-paid code monkeys.
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The problem is data jobs don't scale, same as many other jobs. Let's take an old-style job - newspaper reporter/editor/etc.
100 times the population will not support 100x the jobs in that industry, as individual newspapers grow market share.
The same applies to data. 100x the data doesn't require 100x the "data massagers", any more than 100x the computers requires 100x the number of operating systems, or 100x the word processors (and programmers to create them).
Anyone pushing their kids into learning how to code as a "job skill" is doing them a huge disservice.
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"Go R, young man" - what is the end result? A surplus of men who have irrelevant knowledge (not just in programming, but in R of all languages) while women go on to become life-long careers as doctors, etc. (as opposed to "you're too old to develop software" at 40).
Imminent peril, for example, is danger that is certain, immediate, and impending, such as the type an individual might be in as a result of a serious illness or accident. The chance of the individual dying would be highly probable in such situation, as opposed to remote or contingent. For a gift causa mortis (Latin for "in anticipation of death") to be effective, the donor must be in imminent peril and must die as a result of it
The illegal acts by the government were certain, immediate, and close at hand - not some hypothetical in some future universe (which is what your arguments are).
After all, he was in a position to know the authenticity of the illegal acts that were being done, and his actions were targeted directly at stopping those acts, unlike the people who spattered blood all over the place to protest something different than blood-spattering.
When the government knowingly and repeatedly acts outside the constitution, they bring the government's legitimacy into doubt, not just inside the country, but around the world - and that's not just harmful, it's corrosive.
So, in summary: Don't use a movie as a legal reference, don't use court cases that were dismissed because the perps actions had no direct connection with the acts they were protesting against, don't lie over and over about what I have or have not said, don't continue to claim that the judge is the one who has to be convinced in a jury trial, and don't contradict what the law says when it says that justification is a defense. I could go on, but I think I've made my point. You are a liar. You have lied about what I said or didn't say, repeatedly.
Gee, you really want to beat a dead horse, don't you. "It only takes on juror to hang a jury" applies in the US.
We don't agree on anything because you started out with the premise that a conviction was a foregone conclusion, that US law did not allow any form of "justification" defense - based on a MOVIE you saw - and that the only case ANYONE has quoted failed the test because the act was they were convicted of was not in any way related to what they were protesting.
"Pointing out a story line"... well, keep living in a fantasy world. Introducing evidence that is easily proved false will get the case tossed out before the jury even has an opportunity to deliberate.
Also, he doesn't have to convince the judge of ANYTHING. Please get that through your head. That's not how jury trials work.
And it's easy-peasy to argue the 4 "points" you try to make. Ongoing breach of the constitution is more than "imminent" harm - it's actual harm. And lets face it - revealing what was going on put a crimp in the ops - even the government admits this. And no, he didn't have any realistic legal alternatives to releasing the information. Name one. Complaining to the people who were actively breaking the law? That would be like complaining to the mafia that they're running a protection racket, or the bikers that they're selling drugs.
And no, giving the material to the Russians and Chinese isn't a problem - they would have to prove that it was given only to the Russians and Chinese - it was given to the whole darn world. The whole "Russian and Chinese" thing is a smokescreen.
The feature phone market is being cannibalized by smartphones around the world. Even India is seeing declining feature phone sales and rising smart phone sales.
Why? Because the cheapest smartphones in India now sell for $31.00. That's right in the middle of the price range of existing feature phones, which vary from $16 to $50 or more.
And yes, Mozilla should have stuck with making a better browser, instead of futzing around with all sorts of "me-too" projects. Same as Canonical should have stuck with making a linux distro instead of all their vapor-ware. After all, if they don't even know that a flip phone is a feature phone, and not some "sweet spot between feature phones and smartphones", they're talking out of their ass, and need to take a chainsaw to both their "vision" and their management.
And what part of "it only takes one joror to hang a jury" isn't true or relevant? Not backing off from it at all - I'd give it a 5-10% chance in the US, and about 50-50 in places where jurors know their rights and aren't afraid to cheese of judges, like Canada (especially Quebec).
However, if the government tries to go with your story line, that he worked for the Russians and Chinese, and that he should have just leaked it to newspapers, I'd put his chances of acquittal in the US at well over 50%.
Don't forget that you can also use adblock, etc. in IE as well now. Microsoft has finally figured out that to compete, you have to compete. I have to switch to it every time a firefox or chrome update breaks the browser.
. ..which tried to actively deny peoples' human rights.
WTF? How is marriage a human right? It's a bloody religious construct, that has no place in government regulation, and more importantly, a contract between two private individuals. I hoped that the various groups fighting for the (misnamed) "Right" to marry would instead work to remove marriage from any government regulation.
News flash - atheists get married too. It's only a religious construct for those who want to believe it is (such as religions that don't want to see same-sex marriage for "religious reasons").
I thought the same, but IE now sucks a fair amount less than FF. And yes, IE also has adblock plus, etc. Just look under Manage Addons | Toolbars and Extensions | Tracking protection lists. I use it when all the other browsers crap out from bad updates.
I think they meant the rumored firefox phone that didn't materialize, or did it??
They've shifted gears, or "pivoted", or whatever you want to call a failed idea, again. FTFA:
Firefox OS has thus far been limited primarily to developing countries. Spreading to markets where Android and iOS already have a stranglehold on consumers' choices will be a challenge, but Mozilla is undaunted, seeing a sweet spot for a device between smartphones and feature phones -- flip phones, for example -- where Firefox OS can play.
Last I looked, my old flip phone was a feature phone. Nobody will be making flip phones within a decade because the low demand will push the unit cost through the roof. Same as it's now cheaper to buy a flat screen than a CRT (can you even buy a new CRT???), or a new 2/3/486 computer.
And yet, according to the article, this is their great hope for the future:
We are trying to move the mobile landscape toward more open standards and open technology. That's why we are doing with Firefox OS." Over time, Firefox OS could be monetized via means such as app stores, Gal says.
Idiots. Selling something to the lowest bargain-basement market in the world and expecting anyone to pay for apps - on a feature phone??? Someone should send the EPA (or maybe the DEA) to their offices - there's definitely something mind-warping in the air or the water.
No, the Javanistas (you know, the java hipsters) love it. It's not like you have to use it if you haven't swallowed the flavor-aid, same as you don't have to use TR1 or the STL if you perfer the KISS formula.
Please don't try to say what I'm thinking when there's no evidence to back up your suppositions. I never said anything that would indicate that there's no risk of Snowdon being convicted. You're arguing a strawman.
Nevertheless, the law is clear - the defense of justification is allowed (and I cited the law elsewhere - feel free to look through the comments), contrary to your movie scenario.
So, the law, contrary to what your claim, is on my side in saying that it's possible - not probable, but possible. What next - citing Star Wars as a legal reference?
Guess it shows the difference in our jury systems - the only thing the two sides are allowed to ask is your name, age, and occupation. A lot less room for "cherry-picking" a jury, and much more likely to get people who are educated and knowledgeable. You can't stack your jury with old grandmothers who watch Faux when most women work and you have only limited peremptory challenges.
Also, I have not even made up my mind on whether he should be convicted or not. I see both sides of the story, and neither is as cut and dried as anyone makes it out to be.
I think most people will agree that there's a difference between a "recreational user" and a "junkie". (Of course, most junkies will also claim that they're "just recreational users" and can "quit any time", same as smokers, gamblers, and alkies).
Anyone who believes this garbage deserves what they get. Time to go outside for a bit, people. Your virtual existence is not real, and if you think it defines who you are, you're as sick as the junkie who thinks the most important thing in their life is their next fix.
Again, this has nothing to do with increasing the number of linux jobs - to the contrary, it decreases the number, which gets back to my original point - the "study" is extremely badly done, its conclusions are bogus, and it's just another example of the linux foundation's false boosterism.
For a long time, linux and open source in general was FUN as well as useful. Now the wanna-be suits/overlords have pretty much ruined it by trying to intermediate themselves into the process for their own personal benefit. Whether it's the mozilla foundation, shuttleworth, fsf, whatever... their credibility level keeps plumbing new nadirs. Too bad there's neither a way to turn back the clock nor to fix it.
You've obviously never served on a jury. It is the JURY who decide what the facts of the case are, and jurors are not nearly as naive as you seem to think. Oh - wait - you're probably in the US, where jurors are paid so little that everyone and their dog tries to get out of jury duty, leaving only those stupid enough not to get out of it to serve.
Truckers don't need gps to drive, ships can be navigated w/o gps, even ICBMs don't need gps (inertial guidance systems would still work fine). Airliners can still be navigated as well. The only ones at total risk are the idiots who, when their in-car gps says "turn right now" do so without even looking. They'll just have to park and hitch-hike, which will be an improvement.
And the cloud? Come on - it's just servers. The lack of a super-accurate timing signal will have no more effect than it does on your home pc.
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By the time these kids grow up, "programming skills" will be obsolete, same as slide rules became obsolete a generation ago. Let the kids be kids, and concentrate on the basics. There are too many supposedly intelligent adults here on slashdot who still can't tell the difference between "brake" and "break", "rain", "reign", and "rein", etc.
For once, don't "think of the children." There are already too many people trying to make money for themselves by pushing the next generation into being low-paid code monkeys.
The problem is data jobs don't scale, same as many other jobs. Let's take an old-style job - newspaper reporter/editor/etc.
100 times the population will not support 100x the jobs in that industry, as individual newspapers grow market share.
The same applies to data. 100x the data doesn't require 100x the "data massagers", any more than 100x the computers requires 100x the number of operating systems, or 100x the word processors (and programmers to create them).
Anyone pushing their kids into learning how to code as a "job skill" is doing them a huge disservice.
"Go R, young man" - what is the end result? A surplus of men who have irrelevant knowledge (not just in programming, but in R of all languages) while women go on to become life-long careers as doctors, etc. (as opposed to "you're too old to develop software" at 40).
You're really such a liar. I went through the whole thread, and nowhere did I say that a hung jury would be a likely outcome.
Same as you lied when you claimed that he "could have gone to reporters first", when in fact that's what he did.
And no, giving everything to the whole world is not "spying for Russia and China".
BTW - the definition of Immanent
Impending; menacingly close at hand; threatening.
Imminent peril, for example, is danger that is certain, immediate, and impending, such as the type an individual might be in as a result of a serious illness or accident. The chance of the individual dying would be highly probable in such situation, as opposed to remote or contingent. For a gift causa mortis (Latin for "in anticipation of death") to be effective, the donor must be in imminent peril and must die as a result of it
The illegal acts by the government were certain, immediate, and close at hand - not some hypothetical in some future universe (which is what your arguments are).
After all, he was in a position to know the authenticity of the illegal acts that were being done, and his actions were targeted directly at stopping those acts, unlike the people who spattered blood all over the place to protest something different than blood-spattering.
When the government knowingly and repeatedly acts outside the constitution, they bring the government's legitimacy into doubt, not just inside the country, but around the world - and that's not just harmful, it's corrosive.
So, in summary: Don't use a movie as a legal reference, don't use court cases that were dismissed because the perps actions had no direct connection with the acts they were protesting against, don't lie over and over about what I have or have not said, don't continue to claim that the judge is the one who has to be convinced in a jury trial, and don't contradict what the law says when it says that justification is a defense. I could go on, but I think I've made my point. You are a liar. You have lied about what I said or didn't say, repeatedly.
Gee, you really want to beat a dead horse, don't you. "It only takes on juror to hang a jury" applies in the US.
We don't agree on anything because you started out with the premise that a conviction was a foregone conclusion, that US law did not allow any form of "justification" defense - based on a MOVIE you saw - and that the only case ANYONE has quoted failed the test because the act was they were convicted of was not in any way related to what they were protesting.
"Pointing out a story line" ... well, keep living in a fantasy world. Introducing evidence that is easily proved false will get the case tossed out before the jury even has an opportunity to deliberate.
Also, he doesn't have to convince the judge of ANYTHING. Please get that through your head. That's not how jury trials work.
And it's easy-peasy to argue the 4 "points" you try to make. Ongoing breach of the constitution is more than "imminent" harm - it's actual harm. And lets face it - revealing what was going on put a crimp in the ops - even the government admits this. And no, he didn't have any realistic legal alternatives to releasing the information. Name one. Complaining to the people who were actively breaking the law? That would be like complaining to the mafia that they're running a protection racket, or the bikers that they're selling drugs.
And no, giving the material to the Russians and Chinese isn't a problem - they would have to prove that it was given only to the Russians and Chinese - it was given to the whole darn world. The whole "Russian and Chinese" thing is a smokescreen.
The feature phone market is being cannibalized by smartphones around the world. Even India is seeing declining feature phone sales and rising smart phone sales.
Why? Because the cheapest smartphones in India now sell for $31.00. That's right in the middle of the price range of existing feature phones, which vary from $16 to $50 or more.
And yes, Mozilla should have stuck with making a better browser, instead of futzing around with all sorts of "me-too" projects. Same as Canonical should have stuck with making a linux distro instead of all their vapor-ware. After all, if they don't even know that a flip phone is a feature phone, and not some "sweet spot between feature phones and smartphones", they're talking out of their ass, and need to take a chainsaw to both their "vision" and their management.
So, rather than admit there's a problem, just sweep it under the rug. Not gonna happen.
And what part of "it only takes one joror to hang a jury" isn't true or relevant? Not backing off from it at all - I'd give it a 5-10% chance in the US, and about 50-50 in places where jurors know their rights and aren't afraid to cheese of judges, like Canada (especially Quebec).
However, if the government tries to go with your story line, that he worked for the Russians and Chinese, and that he should have just leaked it to newspapers, I'd put his chances of acquittal in the US at well over 50%.
GNOME single-handedly fucked up the Linux ecosystem when they decided to make systemd a hard dependency!
I think you're being too optimistic - they were screwing up long, long before that ...
Don't forget that you can also use adblock, etc. in IE as well now. Microsoft has finally figured out that to compete, you have to compete. I have to switch to it every time a firefox or chrome update breaks the browser.
. . .which tried to actively deny peoples' human rights.
WTF? How is marriage a human right? It's a bloody religious construct, that has no place in government regulation, and more importantly, a contract between two private individuals. I hoped that the various groups fighting for the (misnamed) "Right" to marry would instead work to remove marriage from any government regulation.
News flash - atheists get married too. It's only a religious construct for those who want to believe it is (such as religions that don't want to see same-sex marriage for "religious reasons").
I thought the same, but IE now sucks a fair amount less than FF. And yes, IE also has adblock plus, etc. Just look under Manage Addons | Toolbars and Extensions | Tracking protection lists. I use it when all the other browsers crap out from bad updates.
I think they meant the rumored firefox phone that didn't materialize, or did it??
They've shifted gears, or "pivoted", or whatever you want to call a failed idea, again. FTFA:
Firefox OS has thus far been limited primarily to developing countries. Spreading to markets where Android and iOS already have a stranglehold on consumers' choices will be a challenge, but Mozilla is undaunted, seeing a sweet spot for a device between smartphones and feature phones -- flip phones, for example -- where Firefox OS can play.
Last I looked, my old flip phone was a feature phone. Nobody will be making flip phones within a decade because the low demand will push the unit cost through the roof. Same as it's now cheaper to buy a flat screen than a CRT (can you even buy a new CRT???), or a new 2/3/486 computer.
And yet, according to the article, this is their great hope for the future:
We are trying to move the mobile landscape toward more open standards and open technology. That's why we are doing with Firefox OS." Over time, Firefox OS could be monetized via means such as app stores, Gal says.
Idiots. Selling something to the lowest bargain-basement market in the world and expecting anyone to pay for apps - on a feature phone??? Someone should send the EPA (or maybe the DEA) to their offices - there's definitely something mind-warping in the air or the water.
Compared to c/c++ (pre-stl), java sucks big time. But it does the job, and you can hide the crap.
No, the Javanistas (you know, the java hipsters) love it. It's not like you have to use it if you haven't swallowed the flavor-aid, same as you don't have to use TR1 or the STL if you perfer the KISS formula.
Please don't try to say what I'm thinking when there's no evidence to back up your suppositions. I never said anything that would indicate that there's no risk of Snowdon being convicted. You're arguing a strawman.
Nevertheless, the law is clear - the defense of justification is allowed (and I cited the law elsewhere - feel free to look through the comments), contrary to your movie scenario.
So, the law, contrary to what your claim, is on my side in saying that it's possible - not probable, but possible. What next - citing Star Wars as a legal reference?
Guess it shows the difference in our jury systems - the only thing the two sides are allowed to ask is your name, age, and occupation. A lot less room for "cherry-picking" a jury, and much more likely to get people who are educated and knowledgeable. You can't stack your jury with old grandmothers who watch Faux when most women work and you have only limited peremptory challenges.
Also, I have not even made up my mind on whether he should be convicted or not. I see both sides of the story, and neither is as cut and dried as anyone makes it out to be.
Perhaps because here, where we're not stuck with a two-party system, politicians and political parties live and die by the ballot box :-)
But it's also me who gets to define how important that is, not someone else - contrary to the implications of the article, which is crap.
I think most people will agree that there's a difference between a "recreational user" and a "junkie". (Of course, most junkies will also claim that they're "just recreational users" and can "quit any time", same as smokers, gamblers, and alkies).
In its glory days, Sun had on staff prominent people like Java founder James Gosling, Unix whiz Bill Joy, and XML co-inventor Tim Bray.
Java good, Unix good, XML DIAF!!!
Anyone who believes this garbage deserves what they get. Time to go outside for a bit, people. Your virtual existence is not real, and if you think it defines who you are, you're as sick as the junkie who thinks the most important thing in their life is their next fix.
Again, this has nothing to do with increasing the number of linux jobs - to the contrary, it decreases the number, which gets back to my original point - the "study" is extremely badly done, its conclusions are bogus, and it's just another example of the linux foundation's false boosterism.
For a long time, linux and open source in general was FUN as well as useful. Now the wanna-be suits/overlords have pretty much ruined it by trying to intermediate themselves into the process for their own personal benefit. Whether it's the mozilla foundation, shuttleworth, fsf, whatever ... their credibility level keeps plumbing new nadirs. Too bad there's neither a way to turn back the clock nor to fix it.
You've obviously never served on a jury. It is the JURY who decide what the facts of the case are, and jurors are not nearly as naive as you seem to think. Oh - wait - you're probably in the US, where jurors are paid so little that everyone and their dog tries to get out of jury duty, leaving only those stupid enough not to get out of it to serve.
Truckers don't need gps to drive, ships can be navigated w/o gps, even ICBMs don't need gps (inertial guidance systems would still work fine). Airliners can still be navigated as well. The only ones at total risk are the idiots who, when their in-car gps says "turn right now" do so without even looking. They'll just have to park and hitch-hike, which will be an improvement.
And the cloud? Come on - it's just servers. The lack of a super-accurate timing signal will have no more effect than it does on your home pc.
Jury box gets you fined for contempt when you won't agree with your peers.
No it doesn't. It just results in a hung jury.