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Indian Gov't Wants Worldwide Ban On Rape Documentary, Including Online
An anonymous reader writes India's far-right Hindu Nationalist government headed by Narendra Modi has banned telecasting and viewing online of a BBC documentary on the 2012 Delhi rape which shocked the nation. The documentary consists interviews of the rapist Mukesh Singh, his lawyers and the victim's parents seems to expose the male dominant nature of Indian society. Indian government is now attempting to ban the documentary worldwide. Critics of the Indian government's action has accused it of not addressing issues women face and instead trying to hide the dirty secrets of its culture from the world. Some Indian websites have also reported that the views expressed by the rapist are echoed by policemen, lawyers and politicians of the nation. So far the government's attempt to ban the video online is with mixed success.
Someone has to teach Modi what "Streisand Effect" means.
-jcr
The only title of honor that a tyrant can grant is "Enemy of the State."
So what's the bittorrent name for the file? I've got to grab it just in case the Hindu fanatics win.
Hey India: "Sticking your head in the sand ignoring the issue doesn't make it go away!"
Deal with it.
Unless the video is hosted on servers in India, they cannot ban it being viewed in other countries, at least not without the cooperation of every government in the world. Unless someone is lying in the documentary, I see this as the government of India trying to hide the truth about the culture of the country. Obviously the Indian government has never heard of the Streisand effect.
http://youtu.be/VWuJHbVZBQg?t=...
How can a country that hosts so many of the world's call centers still have no idea how the internet works?
You wouldn't want another lynch mob breaking into the holding facility where the "alleged" rapist is and have them subjected to "untold terrors". "Now, now Mr. X, don't scream while we remove your genitals and everything will be just fine in the morning."
effect
After all, traditional marriages are arranged by the parents, per dowry arrangements and negotiations. Parents of the bribe, I mean bride, must pay life's savings to marry off daughters. You must avoid getting stuck with feeding her and her illegitimate children for your entire life. If you can manage to marry her off, then even if her husband dies first, the custom dictates that she must throw herself on her dead husband's burning corpse as part of the ritual funeral ceremony, If he can't feed you you're better off burned alive then left over to the throngs of dudes. Many female babies seem to suffer greater mortality for some reason that defies standard statistical deviation....
It's cute how governments forget this, but the commonly accepted definition of government is something like "group of people that control the monopoly on violence within a given region". Demanding a worldwide ban on anything is tantamount to claiming you are allowed to inflict violence with impunity anywhere in the world. When the US does it, it's almost disgustingly true lately, but for the most part it's just delusional. I just wish people would remember, without force there is no law. That is why there is no "international law", no one entity has a monopoly on violence world wide.
Hopefully you have a "Plan B." One would think, ideally, one of your plans would be to not rape people. I mean, just throwing that out there. After, I dunno, the third or forth news story I was all like "Wow, they're really raping a lot of people in India all of a sudden. Did one of our fraternities start outsourcing or something?" And you guys do know that raping people is bad, right? I mean, based on your reaction to this movie, it does seem like you're aware of that. So maybe try not raping people for a while, see how that goes for you.
I'm trying to teach myself to set people on fire with my mind... Is it hot in here?
BBC Full Documentary- 'India's Daughter' on Nirbhaya Delhi Gang Rap | Jyoti singh | HD | Banned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxkMzBqjgw8
Perhaps "the cooperation of every government in the world" shall take the form of the Berne Convention. If the video contains anything copyrighted by the Indian government or by a corporation friendly to the Indian government, then anyone hosting the video is liable for copyright infringement. Not all countries recognize fair use to the same extent.
Here is the link.
BBC Full Documentary- 'India's Daughter' on Nirbhaya Delhi Gang Rap | Jyoti singh | HD | Banned
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxkMzBqjgw8
An issue that I never cared about suddenly became interesting. Thanks Indian government for stimulating my interest.
And thank you to the people who posted links here.
The rapist's comments in the documentary are pretty shocking - he blames the victim for the rape, for being out at 9PM rather than at home doing house chores. I suspect this perspective isn't unique to this one man and thus the government considers it an embarrassing reflection on the nation as a whole. Maybe that's a good thing.
It was illegal to do that in India a few year before it was illegal for you guys to keep slaves - you should have thought about that before you played the "backwards savages" card.
The current situation is based on current problems that can exist in places other than India (or toga parties in the USA).
fifty shades of grey might also be banned. it is currently being 'viewed' by a larger committee, which is going to decide whether this film should be banned.
Is the Indian government becoming the new catholic church? Louis CK demonstrated how the purpose of raping little boys was so the priests could shit out purity bricks so they could make more bibles. In India they rape women so they can make chakra blocks. No crown chakras here though, it's all down in the root and sacral chakras you fiends.
Karma will get to them.
The comments he makes will make any sane male want to beat this scumbag to a bloody pulp no longer resembling a human being. The fact that he can say this with a straight face and that others, many others, probably agree with him is just horrid. I can't think of many more shit-holes worse than India, only the Caliphate would be categorically worse, but I'm sure there are some that come close. This kind of attitude defiles all the values I was brought up to uphold. It is beyond sickening. On one hand it is not my place to tell them how to run their shit-hole, but on another if they try to port this kind of bullshit to a land where I live, there will be hell to pay. Fuck this shit, it has no place in my world.
The act of Rape is central to the Culture of India.
Outlaw Rape is to Outlaw India.
In India Rape cures Menopause.
In Indie Rape cures HIV infections.
In India Rape bestows Power through cum to the Victum.
Modi is for Rape and Rape is for Rape.
Just cannot separate them .
Ha ha
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the comment got your panties in a bunch? the crime was worse than the comments.
Had the criminal said "the right things", hopefully you wouldn't be forgiving them.
I am from India and have been regularly following BBC for the last 20 years or so. What I know about them is that they won't miss a chance to report any negative news about India no matter how irrelevant or unimportant those might be. News about ridiculous Hindu rituals, road mishaps, building collapses in India frequently make to their world news page with obligatory annotations like majority of Indian population is illiterate, India has a very poor track record of road safety, most Indians don't have access to basic amenities and on. I am not saying those are untrue but this basically exposes that they haven't got over their colonial hangover yet; they just cannot accept an independent India; they want to present India as a country of snake-charmers to the world.
The Delhi incident just gave them an opportunity to reinforce their stereotypes associated with India. In this documentary, they obviously want to present India as a male dominated society where rape is viewed as somewhat justifiable to an extent.
The rapist's comments in the documentary are pretty shocking... I suspect this perspective isn't unique to this one man and thus the government considers it an embarrassing reflection on the nation as a whole.
I just finished watching it (after DLing in case it disappears.) I find hints of "honor" and what I've heard about the Middle East and about Islam appearing as well.
.. [that] always needs protection." ... a diamond. It is up to you how you want to keep that diamond in your hand."
a) woman should always be accompanied by members of their family when outside (in public), and
b) need to cover themselves so that strangers won't lose control of their facilities (presumably by their penis.)
Are men so sexually animistic that they can't control themselves after seeing a boob? In this case it seems like the guys were out for an opportunistic "good time" and wanted to teach her a lesson for resisting.
Maybe the idea is that teenagers might be lacking in self-control and so you need to help them along. Completely blaming women and hiding them away does not solve the problem though. But maybe that is the exact procedure to keep the male leaders (family, town, precinct, area, state) in control.
Perp:
"A decent girl won't roam around at 9 o'clock at night."
"A girl is far more responsible for a rape than a boy."
So: It's not my fault, she made me do it to her.
Lawyers:
"A woman means I immediately put the sex in his eyes."
"A female is just like a flower
"In our society, we never allow our girls to come out from the house after 6:30 or 7:30 or 8:30 in the evening with any unknown person" "If very important, she should go outside BUT she should go with a [parental guardian]"
"The women are more precious than
"If my daughter/sister engaged in pre-marital activities, and disgraced herself and allowed herself to lose face and character by doing such things, I would most certainly take this [person] to my farmhouse, and in front of my entire family I would put petrol on her and set her alight."
So: if you let your women out at night unaccompanied, they get what you deserve. And it almost sounds like they're living with wild animals roaming the streets. Well, maybe they (and we) are. Self-control, anyone?
Seems like there's also a hook to "terrorism" and "conforming to society will protect you" here, but I just can't place my finger on it quite yet. "Be somewhat afraid of the general population because they might not be civilized like you are" comes to mind.
If the universe is someone's simulation -- does that mean the stars are just stuck pixels?
Why the fuck is it getting any success? When the hell are we going to have the guts to tell all the censors to go fuck themselves?
“He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
Dear India, quit acting like a Muslim country & air your dirty laundry. Rape is a crime and nothing will change if you pretend it isn't happening.
and want safe streets for themselves and their women
Surely you see the irony to referring to women as possessions while ranting about the plight of women.
When the comment basically amounts to "I'm not sorry and I'd do it again and encourage others to do likewise"...
Don't waste your vote! Vote for whoever you want, unless you live in a swing state it won't matter anyways
I'm of Indian descent. I used to live there, and frequently visit. I speak one of the main languages. I'm well aware of their culture.
India is missing 50,000,000 girls. No typo, that's FIFTY MILLION. If you don't believe misogyny is a fundamental part of the national fabric, why don't you tell me WTF happened to these girls?
Here's another way to look at things:
Chance of being killed in Syrian Civil War: 1 in 300
Chance of dying before five years of age if you're a girl in India: 1 in 20
No opinions, those are numbers. If you doubt them, research the latest Indian census, World Bank data on child mortality, wartime data from the Human Rights Data Analysis Group, among many many others.
Is the picture becoming clearer?
It's maybe not normal, but corruption is frequent inside the West. It's just the CEO knows a friend of a friend of a politician, instead of dealing directly with the politician. So it's impossible to see the secret kickbacks amongst the honest deals.
To be fair, this kind of publicity creates hugely disproportional view of a country.
I see this all the time on local news sites in Israel. Since 2012, rape case from India get a front page mention -- and absolutely no other kind of news from India! For the past 2 years the average reader, who has no business in India and knows nothing about it, is learning a single fact about a place that holds ~16% of all people -- women are getting raped there.
Will this documentary help in the long run? who can tell (not me).
Embarrassing perhaps... in my humble opinion, this is PR pure and simple. The real question is why focus on PR instead of actually fixing the cultural issues that make rape okay in India? Rape is rape - embarrassment or not.
And their parents! Oh... did I just refer to parents as possessions???
NO I didn't. You are a retard.
Are men so sexually animistic that they can't control themselves after seeing a boob?
They need more porn in India, and the other similar areas. Self control is easier with adjusted value of gratification and lots of examples of mutually enjoyable, consented event which in turn adjust the social norms of the viewer (as in "don't be dick about satisfying your partner") and the bring out the benefits of the "long game". After all, tantra is marketed as a Indian product.
Also nationwide, easily accessible television would play its part in harmonizing culture like it did in the US and here in Europe some time ago. This has not occurred in these areas of question yet.
".. about the effectiveness of a ban in the Information Age." What questions? You can't do it. Period. No need to torrent, Google got you covered, here it is.
I say. It seems India is taking a step down the road to nothing less than media dictatorship of the entire world in what will be a futile and embarrasing attempt at hampering free speech. Could someone please step up and tell these Indian politicians grow up and own up to the problems that clearly seem to exist rather than trying to sweep em under the rug
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I was in Pune when a report of a rape of an Australian girl in New Dehli came through. Basically they dragged her into a bus and a mob raped her on the bus while they drove around the city, they threw her out at a hospital but she died from her injuries.
A week later another one happened to an American girl, a photographer who was with a guide. They beat up the guide and tied him up while 5 raped her over two days in a run down factory in Mumbai. What was pretty fucked up is that somehow the police made out that it was her fault...somehow. The police are corrupt and they have automatic weapons.
A quizzed some of my Indian colleagues and they hated the rapists and were ashamed that such a thing happened, who wouldn't? So when I walked around the city and found myself in some of the rougher parts of town I got a real idea of why. So many people, everywhere is a mass of annonimity. When I realised where I was and that I was looking a a phone to navigate I realised that I was a real target for being robbed. I put the phone away, held my head high and thought 'c'mon sisterfuckers'. I'm 200lbs and have been training a variety of martial arts for 20years plus - but I knew that some of these guys were prepared to have a go - even if they could tell some of them would be hospitalised. Being street smart in your own country is nothing compared to being street smart on Indian streets but it helps. The little people sleep in the rain and it's no place for a western woman who is a gora.
I did eventually get robbed, during Ganesha by two kids who hit me with a whip on the leg, dived for my pockets and grabbed the cash I had there - even waved it in my face - I let them go saying 'ok ok - you got me - now fuck off'. Everyone is trying to make a buck and it's not that Indian men are all rapists but I think the poor have to be master opportunists to survive and some of them are rapists.
My ism, it's full of beliefs.
Are men so sexually animistic that they can't control themselves after seeing a boob?
Men from cultures which have not expected them to control themselves haven't learn to control themselves, on average. Which is why we need to bring pressure to bear upon them.
Of course, we still have rape in the west. We have the very same sentiments here, just less of them. Let's worry about our own conduct, too and not pat ourselves on the back too much for not being like them.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
It's maybe not normal, but corruption is frequent inside the West. It's just the CEO knows a friend of a friend of a politician, instead of dealing directly with the politician. So it's impossible to see the secret kickbacks amongst the honest deals.
A lot of it is right out in the open, like campaign contributions. Then people just ignore it.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
While the Government of India may be trying to ban it and the some conservative rednecks of the country hold crazy views, it seems that the majority doesn't..
It is the same Indians that are mass-protesting in response to rapes, to corruption, and want safe streets for themselves and their women: https://www.youtube.com/watch?... [youtube.com]
I believe your are mixing the majority with the vocal minority, like we do so many times about so many issues.
that the US _wasn't_ a bunch of backwards savages. See, this is a common mistake people make. Assuming because someone takes the moral high ground that they're not willing to admit their faults. As an American let me step in here to say we're just as awful, possibly worse. The stuff we did (and continue to do) to the Middle East and South America (I hear we're back to trying to destabilize Venezuela) makes this crap look like small potatoes. And don't forget our last Vice President brought back torture as a legitimate tool for information gathering.
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To be a parent you must be a "parent of someone" it is a term that requires another party. To be a woman you are not a "woman of someone" there is no other party necessary. And hence the usage of "their" is completely different, and if you didn't know that you wouldn't be able to type through the drooling over the keyboard and hence you're being deceptive on purpose. Or maybe someone made an idiotic drool proof keyboard...
Surely you see that English possessive pronouns are commonly used for indicating relationships between people such as membership in a group, with no implication that one of them is the "property" of the other.
Whoever modded your post "Insightful" could also profit from a tap on the dome with a cluebat.
Il n'y a pas de Planet B.
"I just finished watching it (after DLing in case it disappears.) I find hints of "honor" and what I've heard about the Middle East and about Islam appearing as well."
You seem to be surprised by that, I hate to break it to you, but it has been like that (to various degrees) in most parts in the world, for a very long time. The societal changes in the west is pretty much a first in the world, and extremely recent (women didn't have right to vote when my mother was born, In France), and not complete yet.
The level of corruption in the west has nothing to do with what it is in most part of the world. When is the last time you had to bribe someone ?
China takes pollution film offline
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/worl...
I always wanted to copyright my name, do something outrageous, and then sue all the media that runs a story on it.
I'm no lawyer, but I fail to see how that sort of case wouldn't be dismissed in summary judgment early on. The exclusive right in one's name is a trademark, not a copyright. It's an easy mistake to make, seeing as how the term "intellectual property" has caused people to confuse copyright and trademark. At least in my country, trademarks have a defense called "nominative fair use", which allows others to use a name freely in a work in ways that do not suggest endorsement of the work by the trademark's owner.
Any anthropologists around? IANaA, but my theory is that in cultures where testosterone-driven men (like us?) are not allowed to socialise nicely with girls of their own standard, and are shamed into avoiding masturbation or same-sex fun, there will be outbursts of plain primitive sexual aggression. India is hardly worst, if you consider what happens routinely in some Islamic countries.
I hope he remembers his own advice to just lie back and don't resist if the other prisoners get ahold of him, let's see how well it works out. I heard stories about what they did to the ringleader before he committed suicide.
http://www.cnn.com/2013/03/10/world/asia/india-rape-suspect-suicide/
Disgusting. Make out that the problem is the movie instead of Indian society's appalling misogyny and hatred of women.
How about fixing your society first so that women are respected as human beings?
Nearly 25% of men in 6 countries admit raping a woman. 41% in Papua New Guinea.
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2013/09/daily-chart-7?fsrc=scn%2Ftw%2Fte%2Fbl%2Fed%2Ftoomuchofabadthing
http://www.itsagirlmovie.com/
India is not being criticized for having criminals - all nations have criminals.
India's politicians are being criticized for trying to censor this movie.
It should be said that women in India are often EXTREMELY hostile and manipulative toward men.
Seemed just like a normal, high quality BBC documentary about a society in transition.
I have to say though it doesn't paint that society in a particularly good light. I sure wouldn't take a daughter with me for a visit to that country..
> I find hints of "honor" and what I've heard about the Middle East and about Islam appearing as well.
It isn't about the middle-east or islam. Bride-burning is a primarily hindu thing, for example. The concept of "honor" is pervasive in practically all under-developed societies. Honor killings are rampant in south america where they are called "crimes of passion." I personally know a woman from the Philippines who was raped as a teenager (by an altar boy giving her a ride back to her home from church) who was forced to marry him and have his children. 15 years later, after innumberable beatings he leaves her for dead in the street with her skull cracked open. The same priest who married her finally grants her an annulment. And she was not from a poor family, she attended one of the most prestigious universities in the country - Ateneo de Manila and had a white-collar office-job working in the customs department. This is what happens in all cultures that value women as property more than they value them as people.
You focus on PR when you're a democratic politician (note the lower case 'd', I'm not talking a political party here) and you know perfectly well that the real problem will take three generations to fix. Talking about three generation long solutions doesn't get you reelected.
"I do not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it"
I am having one doubt about what is Sriesand Effect. Please do the needful and revert.
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
Is it right on the media to interview some perverted rapist and present his views as views of the whole country?
This whole mess will give the Research & Analysis Wing something to do. Obtain the identities of all those who watch the documentary and add them to the blacklist of those to be denied visas of any sort. Ontario MPP Jagmeet Singh has been denied entry into India due to his stances on human rights abuses. Once they find that nearly anyone who has seen the film are viable tourist candidates, they will have screwed their own tourism industry.
Truth alone triumphs. Many people will be angry as a result.
This message was brought to you be Karl Martell. EDUCATE YOURSELF.
The problem with the move is that it proves the racists right. When truth proves racists right, expect maximum outrage. Read Mother India by Katherine Mayo. She was a racist, but she was correct in her assumptions. That is the REAL piss-off!
It is the same Indians that are mass-protesting in response to rapes,
And the same Indians who form lynch mobs, breaking the accused out of prison and dragging them down the street to their death?
http://www.smh.com.au/world/wo...
Although, that only seems to happen to racial minorities in Northern India.
You'd think the Indian government, any sane governing body, would require that all citizens be required to watch this video ten times. What the hell is wrong with these people...? This isn't something to hide. Or hide from. It's a learning moment and it's about time they learned.
Perhaps someone should to point out to the Indian Gov't that Barbara Streisand was a woman. ;)
"Grammar Lesson" by Larry Niven. http://www.isfdb.org/cgi-bin/t...
Possessive pronouns have multiple meanings, depending on the context. People have to be bright enough to figure it out, so they don't make stupid mistakes. When it's even possible to figure out. "English is hard."
Frederick Douglass did not own his former master.
I was going to follow that statement with an example that illustrates the point, but I had already done it without realizing it.
"English is hard."
There's no time like the present. Well, the past used to be.
I'm sure any attempt on your part to ban this or similar films will only make more people want to see them.
India's Caste Culture is a Rape Culture
http://www.thedailybeast.com/w...
If I were Prime Minister of India, I'd give Licensed Pistols to all Dalits/Adivasis in India;
http://wh.gov/ijtyM
Casteism
Psychopaths do not fear prosecution/punishment;
http://www.sciencedaily.com/re...
Caste system created millions of psychopaths in India;
http://www.hrw.org/legacy/engl...
What else do you expect when Upper caste Brahmin Jyoti singh PANDEY abused/exploited Lower caste Mukesh singh YADAV for over 2000 years?
https://petitions.whitehouse.g...
Casteism
http://www.hrw.org/legacy/engl...
Casteism
"But at the same day, the news of gang-rape of a 10-year old Lower Caste Untouchable Dalit girl and who was burnt subsequently was tucked away in the inside pages devoting only five to ten lines" --Kabir, former Chief Justice of India
http://m.timesofindia.com/indi...
The family of the Delhi gang-rape Brahmin victim was given huge compensation by governments and various bodies.
But what happened to the dalit girl? Did her family get anything?
Casteism
In MUMBAI Upper Caste girl gang rape case, Muslim convict photos are published in media;
In DELHI Upper Caste girl gang rape case, Lower Caste convict photos are published in media;
But in DABRA Lower Caste Untouchable Dalit girl gang rape case, Upper Caste convict photos are NOT published in media;
http://tehelka.com/violation-i...
Casteism
When a Lower caste Untouchable Dalit girl was gang-raped by 12 Upper Caste men in DABRA, her father killed himself because Police refused to take his complaint;
But when a Upper caste Brahmin girl was gang-raped by 6 Lower caste men in DELHI, Indian Prime Minister intervened, amended the Law and set up a Special Court to prosecute/punish the culprits;
http://india.blogs.nytimes.com...
Casteism
So much hue and cry because Victim is Upper caste Brahmin girl and Culprit is Lower caste Yadav;
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wik...
Casteism
"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it." --Santayana
Take your Caste share of land and go build your own nation as per "Communal Award"?
India's Caste Culture is a Rape Culture;
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06...
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07...
Casteism
http://www.firstpost.com/livin...
Casteism
Subject says it all. Ignoring my point makes you one of the fools that perpetuate and amplify the problem.
-The wise argue that there are few absolutes, the fool argues that there are no probabilities.
If you meet anybody from India ask him "What Is Your Caste?";
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06...
Casteism
Perp:
"A decent girl won't roam around at 9 o'clock at night."
"A girl is far more responsible for a rape than a boy."
So: It's not my fault, she made me do it to her.
Perhaps attitudes started to change if the Indian gays started to act similarly:
Perp:
"A decent man won't roam around at 9 o'clock at night."
"A man is far more responsible for a rape than a man."
So: It's not my fault, he made me do it to him.