So here's your choice. Keep linux on the "bleeding edge" so it remains elite, or make it usable for the masses. Judging from your attitudes, it looks like I'll be using Whistler and other hated Microsoft products for a long time.
Good. You stay in your comfortable little world, and you'll probably never realize what you're missing.
I am sure you are trying to make a point here, but I'll be damned if i can find it. Basically you are saying that linux is crap, but it's good since that is the way it should be?
Borlands pages doesn't saying anything about the licensing or that their product is open source (which I am sure they mention if it was). So I think it's pretty fair to assume that it's the same crap as before - closed proprietary software released as 'free'. And to be honest, I wouldn't have paid much for JBuilder3 to begin with, the IDE was so awkward I reverted to writing all my code in emacs and compiling it with javac. I only used the IDE when I needed a good debugger.
actually, i think there already is a similar effort: alternic. but they don't seem to be doing well at all and i believe one of the head honchos went to jail for hacking into internic servers.
i believe you idea is booth a Good Thing(tm) and a Truly Horrible Thing. imagine a world where everyone fights bitterly over not only which OS or browser to use, but which toplevel dns. some sites won't be accessible from some dnses (you can type the ip directly, sure, but in the age of virtual hosting that's not always enough), mail servers will reject mail from entire topdomains. and you can bet your sweet ass that a certain company will embrace and extend the market by launching ActiveTopDNS.
on the other hand, it's a good idea because it will give the people at internic something to think about.
Yeah, but in some way you still pay for the installation and support, because those things cost VA money and even a cool company like them has to cover its expenses. In theory, a blank slate ought to be cheaper. Maybe not much cheaper, but cheaper.
The internet is by its very nature distributed and decentranlized. But Big Business can't grasp that concept. They desperatly want to take a piece of cyberspace, fence it in and charge admission. You don't pay this admission in cash, but by giving up a bit of your freedom, by narrowing your spectrum of possible choices, by submitting demographic data, by being exposed to banner ads.
Nobody would try to build a portal that was truly free of charge and really benefitted the customers cause there would be no way of making money from it. And this game is all about the money.
Yeah, you kinda get the impression that they really, really want people to associate this product with the One True RMS that we all know and love. Especially since they go for free (not just Open) software and donate to the FSF.
Although they say they do this to support the work of Richard M. Stallman I doubt that he endorses this product. Does he have any comments on this?
In the past, I have read some magazine interviews with billg@microsoft.com that were conducted by email. Apparently, he often prefers email as a medium of communication and is (was?) willing to exchange ideas on equal terms with many a journalist.
I think that just maybe taco&hemos could get en exchange going with Redmond if they restrict some of the more immature slashdot readers. Of course, the slashdot staff will immediatly be denounced by a majority of the linux world for Fraternizing With the Enemy.
An influx of newbies may indeed be a Good Thing(tm), but that doesn't mean we have to like it, nor have patience with people who don't _want_ to learn.
Huh? "all the promises Java failed to turn into reality"? I wouldn't exactly say that. For platform independence, java beats C seven days a week. Sure, your do have to be a little careful when designing your app, but isn't that even more true for C as well?
Awright, some people are probably gonna dump on me for this, but I'd say your best bet is java. Yes I know some consider Sun Evil(tm), and that it can't compare with C performancewise. However, development time in java tends to be shorter and it is a helluva lot more stable (no messing around with pointers causing memory leaks and access violations) and it has RMI and CORBA capabilities in the core libs.
Do I come off as a java advocate? I didn't intend to; I hate advocacy. So please feel free to form your own opinion:)
Yup, that was what I thought as well. It certainly feels like the university is just trying to cash in on Linus's newfound fame. It could also be that they are trying to show the IT companies of Sweden that they dig the new technlogy and are hip with all the latest trends...:(
Why is it that every time JonKatz writes about anything, some people will always take the time to tell him how worthless and boring he is and how much his last piece sucked?
If you know beforehand that you won't like it, why do you read it?
Nope, the murderer in Witness was Linder's daughter (sorry, forgot the first name...) Quite a good game it was, even though i never managed to figure it out for myself.
Tried to check the site out and even download it, but it seems they got majorly slashdotted. Oh, well...
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You mean that people need to be protected from learning advanced (= potentially harmful) stuff? I say: let them download, let them crash their filesystems, let the learn a lesson!
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So here's your choice. Keep linux on the "bleeding edge" so it remains elite, or make it usable for the masses. Judging from your attitudes, it looks like I'll be using Whistler and other hated Microsoft products for a long time.
Good. You stay in your comfortable little world, and you'll probably never realize what you're missing.
I am sure you are trying to make a point here, but I'll be damned if i can find it. Basically you are saying that linux is crap, but it's good since that is the way it should be?
--Bogey
do you have any idea how much of the stuff that you probably use on a daily basis that is written or co-written by rms?
--bogey
Borlands pages doesn't saying anything about the licensing or that their product is open source (which I am sure they mention if it was). So I think it's pretty fair to assume that it's the same crap as before - closed proprietary software released as 'free'. And to be honest, I wouldn't have paid much for JBuilder3 to begin with, the IDE was so awkward I reverted to writing all my code in emacs and compiling it with javac. I only used the IDE when I needed a good debugger.
--Bogey
You tryin' to start a flamewar, boy?
--bogey
actually, i think there already is a similar effort: alternic. but they don't seem to be doing well at all and i believe one of the head honchos went to jail for hacking into internic servers.
i believe you idea is booth a Good Thing(tm) and a Truly Horrible Thing. imagine a world where everyone fights bitterly over not only which OS or browser to use, but which toplevel dns. some sites won't be accessible from some dnses (you can type the ip directly, sure, but in the age of virtual hosting that's not always enough), mail servers will reject mail from entire topdomains. and you can bet your sweet ass that a certain company will embrace and extend the market by launching ActiveTopDNS.
on the other hand, it's a good idea because it will give the people at internic something to think about.
--bogey
Erm...
Without the FSF, there would not be any GNU or free software movement. Duh.
--Bogey
Yeah, but in some way you still pay for the installation and support, because those things cost VA money and even a cool company like them has to cover its expenses. In theory, a blank slate ought to be cheaper. Maybe not much cheaper, but cheaper.
--Bogey
Amen, bro!
The internet is by its very nature distributed and decentranlized. But Big Business can't grasp that concept. They desperatly want to take a piece of cyberspace, fence it in and charge admission. You don't pay this admission in cash, but by giving up a bit of your freedom, by narrowing your spectrum of possible choices, by submitting demographic data, by being exposed to banner ads.
Nobody would try to build a portal that was truly free of charge and really benefitted the customers cause there would be no way of making money from it. And this game is all about the money.
--Bogey
Yeah, you kinda get the impression that they really, really want people to associate this product with the One True RMS that we all know and love. Especially since they go for free (not just Open) software and donate to the FSF.
Although they say they do this to support the work of Richard M. Stallman I doubt that he endorses this product. Does he have any comments on this?
--Bogey
In the past, I have read some magazine interviews with billg@microsoft.com that were conducted by email. Apparently, he often prefers email as a medium of communication and is (was?) willing to exchange ideas on equal terms with many a journalist.
I think that just maybe taco&hemos could get en exchange going with Redmond if they restrict some of the more immature slashdot readers. Of course, the slashdot staff will immediatly be denounced by a majority of the linux world for Fraternizing With the Enemy.
--Bogey
An influx of newbies may indeed be a Good Thing(tm), but that doesn't mean we have to like it, nor have patience with people who don't _want_ to learn.
--The Bogeymeister
Huh?
"all the promises Java failed to turn into reality"?
I wouldn't exactly say that. For platform independence, java beats C seven days a week. Sure, your do have to be a little careful when designing your app, but isn't that even more true for C as well?
--Bogey
Awright, some people are probably gonna dump on me for this, but I'd say your best bet is java.
:)
Yes I know some consider Sun Evil(tm), and that it can't compare with C performancewise. However, development time in java tends to be shorter and it is a helluva lot more stable (no messing around with pointers causing memory leaks and access violations) and it has RMI and CORBA capabilities in the core libs.
Do I come off as a java advocate? I didn't intend to; I hate advocacy. So please feel free to form your own opinion
--The Bogeymeister
Yeah, but it still wasn't funny.
Yup, that was what I thought as well. It certainly feels like the university is just trying to cash in on Linus's newfound fame. It could also be that they are trying to show the IT companies of Sweden that they dig the new technlogy and are hip with all the latest trends... :(
Er, SU _does_ have a CS department. It's a joint venture between the University and the Royal Institute of Technology, but it's more SU than KTH.
Why is it that every time JonKatz writes about anything, some people will always take the time to tell him how worthless and boring he is and how much his last piece sucked?
If you know beforehand that you won't like it, why do you read it?
I thought that both AfterStep and WindowMaker were GNOME-aware? Or are there features missing?
Nope, the murderer in Witness was Linder's daughter (sorry, forgot the first name...)
Quite a good game it was, even though i never managed to figure it out for myself.
Tried to check the site out and even download it, but it seems they got majorly slashdotted. Oh, well...
You mean that people need to be protected from learning advanced (= potentially harmful) stuff? I say: let them download, let them crash their filesystems, let the learn a lesson!