It's interesting that you would falsly accuse the good Commonwealth of using the wrong spelling of the word, when it is actually you who suggested the wrong spelling of the word.
What makes it even more interesting is that you went so far as to include the definitions of the two words, which proved their spelling and disproved yours.
As I learned many years ago, and the definitions in your post clearly explain, is that the city is capital and the building is capitol.
In this interview right here with the Principal of the school, he says that any student who is uncomfortable with the SSN on the badge can remove it or cover it up. What this has become is an issue of "I don't want everybody seeing my name." All Privacy Act and SSN Administration issues are null and void.
I was fully behind the kids on this issue until I saw that they're not being forced to display their SSN, and saw that many parties are upset with the idea that the school would want you to wear a name tag.
So let's see it for what it is: A name tag issue. You're telling me that people at your school aren't going to learn your name? Sorry, but names aren't protected under the privacy act.
High school kids look for issues to rebel against. It's part of the game. Now that it turns out that their SSN aren't being forcibly comprimised, let's not blow this thing out of proportion.
Here's an excerpt: ----------BEGINNING OF EXCERPT----------------- Network Working Group Request for Comments: 8888 Category: Fake Standards Track A. Gore UVA/LCS September 1999
The Commonwealth of Virginia as Internet Capital
Status of this Memo
This document specifies a Fake Internet standards track protocol for the Internet community, and requests discussion and suggestions for improvements. Please refer to the current edition of the "Internet Official Protocol Standards" (STD 1) for the standardization state and status of this protocol. Distribution of this memo is unlimited.
Abstract
The Commonwealth of Virginia is a state of rich heritage and extraordinary natural beauty. Its attractions are as broad and diverse as its geography and as abundant as its history. Stretching from the Atlantic Ocean to the Blue Ridge and Allegheny mountains, Virginia is a mixture of exciting cities, historic homes and towns, plentiful resources, and a wealth of recreational activities.
It is therefore the purpose of this RFC to recommend that the Commonwealth of Virginia be known for evermore as the Internet Capital of the World.
I think I first noticed that about 3 years ago, during a discussion about various possibly-offensive domain names I was having with someone. We did several whois queries and saw that the NAACP had done it, as well as other groups like the Anti-Defamation League.
No doubt in my mind. Whether it's right, wrong, sad or whatever, it was a good idea. They could have just stood on the sidelines, like many other people were doing three years ago, and then hooped and hollared that somebody out there had an offensive site. Instead, they were proactive and grabbed it themselves. I'm no fan of the NAACP, but that was a good idea.
Oh, I forgot to mention the reason I was going to post in the first place: I was going to say "Warn them first", which is how my posting ended up in this thread. But I got off track when I saw the posting that, when paraphrased, goes something like this: "they don't have the right to search their propery that we're using." I felt the urgent need to respond to that and forgot what I had set out do do... my fault.
I think "warn them first" is the most important message. We all use company software, hardware and or e-mail for personal matters, and my policy has always been to warn first for things like porn searches and so forth. It gets the stuff cleaned up and avoids any undue embarassment, or an otherwise-productive person from getting fired for something stupid.
By the way, I still think the handkerchief analogy was dead-on:)
Call me stupid (or just not interested enough in NT to do a whole lot of research), but I always kind of wondered what NT stood for. Apparently I was under some kinda rock when this was announced. "New Technology". Oooooohhhhhh......
I happily call my self the "Notes Opposition" at my company. I work at a Notes company, but I'm an old-school web guy with Linux, Apache and Perl in my blood.
I'm rarely the one to defend Notes, but I do sometimes, in situations like this. I used to think that Notes was just e-mail, but I now know that it's a whole application development and serving environment. Is is absolutely not the best solution for a lot of situations, but sometimes it is:
Some of the most basic business and workflow applications that many custom apps turn out to be require an incredibly small amount of effort to develop in Notes.
When Lotus came out with Domino a few years ago, yes, it was a workaround. It was a way of not losing to the web. But it works pretty well, considering what it has to do (for those who don't know, it takes Notes data and translates it into HTML. One Notes database becomes like a CGI application. All the form tags point back to itself, you can add, edit and modify documents on the web). It's a great effort on the part of Lotus.
As a web developer, is Domino my favorite development tool? Hell no! Not by a long shot. But I recognize the value that it brings to businesses who truly use it (not the ones that just use it only for e-mail), and especially the ones who use it in the right situations and use other tools (like Linux, Perl and Apache) when they are appropriate.
Sure, I'd like to see a Notes client for Linux, too. I've said many times that it's the only piece of software that's really keeping me from trying to ditch Windows altogether, because my company runs on Notes and I have to do what I have to do.
However, let's take Linux for what it is right now... a server platform. Yeah, there are those of us geeks who can use it as a workstation, but it's real strength and growing market share is as a server -- httpd, ftpd, smbd, RDBMS, etc...
We all want to replace all the Windows client machines in our companies with Linux, but let's start by replacing the NT machines. Now that Domino is out, I could theoretically do that, because Linux can now serve as a PDC for a microsoft network (thanks to Samba) and as a Notes server.
This is an exciting time... give the publishers time after the release of a server application before you give them crap about the client:)
I submitted it also, but it wasn't a huge surprise to see that somebody else did. I would have posted it sooner (because I knew about it yesterday), but there's this little matter of a Lotus Business Partner confidentiality agreement that prevented my doing that until the public announcement was made.
I'm a web developer who has been the de facto Network Administrator for about a year now. I finally convinced my company to give me an old CompuDyne (that's latin for "piece of crap") P90 that I could use as a Linux firewall, and it's been slammin' out the good news for about six months now.
Can I tell stories of 70-hour weeks? Sure I can, and it's been that way since I got into the industry. If I do the math to come up with what hourly rate I make if I got paid by the hour (which I don't so it doesn't freakin' matter), then yeah, it wouldn't be a huge amount. But like I said, I don't get paid by the hour and, if I did, I would be a contractor with no benefits. As it is, I've got great medical, which is important with a wife, 3-year-old, and another on the way. I've got a good 401(k) match and stock options. Could I cash them in and buy a house? Not yet, but that doesn't matter. I'm a part of something special. I was the fourth employee, and two years later we've got 15 or 16. This is exciting growth in an exciting industry. This is why I do it.
You want to change ISPs on me? Bring it on! Everybody uses DHCP (running on the Linux box) to get their internal IP address, IP masquerading (running on the Linux box) to get to the internet, and gets their DNS from... guess where... the Linux box. I've got 8 or 9 IP addresses bound to the external NIC card on the Linux box, so I'd have to change those, and there are a couple of other DNS things I'd have to change, but it would be pretty simple. As far as going to every client box... yeah, right! Not a chance. Sure, there are people who need hand-holding, but that's because they're morons. It's completely unrelated to any changes I make to the system. System changes are transparent, as they should be.
Sure, there's been the occasional "hey I can't do this or that", which prompts me to remember, "Oh yeah, I forgot to change the serial number in named.conf" or "I forgot to bounce the DHCP server." But that's just stupid crap I forgot to do - I can't blame anybody for that.
I don't mean to take away from the fact that people hit the "Send" button on their e-mail client and have no idea what has to happen behind the scenes... and sure, there are people who do what we do and don't get the credit for it. First of all, let's not pretend that we take each e-mail manually and route it. Once sendmail is configured, it works... and this is true for a whole lot of great, free, open source software (sendmail, apache, linux, perl to name a few). All the routing in between is somebody else's gig, and I trust my ISP to not drop that ball. And, let's be honest while we're at it, if they do drop that ball it ain't my problem. I won't like it, but I'll certainly say "the ISP dropped the ball". Somebody will say, "Fire them and get a new one," and I'll say, "Sure... no problem".
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The subject of this posting could also be I downloaded the JRE for this?... but I digress:
I strongly agree with CoughDropAddict (can I call you CDA?) that this is pretty much useless. I'll go a step further and tell you that it takes the words you enter and goes to two search engines (perhaps more, but two were all I identified), namely AltaVista and something called Scour.Net. I guess it then takes the titles of the documents it finds and swirls them about.
If you see one that interests you, tough! Because clicking on it will not necessarily bring up that phrase in the text box. If you click long enough, I guess it cycles through them. Eventually, you'll see the one you wanted. You hit and it goes out and does another search, this time using the page's title as keywords.
Wait a minute... what about the content of the page that I saw that had such an interesting title? What if I want to read it? I guess I'll have to go open a real browser to do that. I'll just copy'n'paste the URL of the page that I saw... no, wait. Netomat doesn't give you the URL either. OK, I'll just start over with a browser, by going to friggin' AltaVista my own self and doing a search. WAIT! That's what I already do!!!
Yours is the second post referring to what internetwk.com is hosted on... that's beside the point. I posted regarding NC.Focus' site ( http://www.ncfocus.com), of which Morgenthal is President.
That's the issue here... let's not chastise Internet Week for Morgenthal's ignorance.
I was gonna flat-out ignore homeboy's posting, until I read this:
What good is an operating system to a company if its programs have to be continually restarted?
Huh? I'm sure you meant to say, "What good is anoperating system to a company if the operating system has to be continually restarted?
Let's see, if I make a change to a daemon's configuration files, since that information is stored in memory... yes, I must restart the daemon. And that takes maybe a second or two.
On the other hand, install 10 programs on NT and tell me how many of them require a full system reboot (which can require several minutes of downtime). I'm guessing 6 or 7 of those installs would require it.
Try changing network settings, God forbid. "Oh, you want to change your DNS server? I'll have to restart for that one".
Just a second... do your homework first. Homeboy doesn't work for Internet Week, at least it doesn't look like it, but he is the president of NC.Focus (see the article's footer).
I just investigated that site ( http://www.ncfocus.com/) and it's hosted by a company which runs "Unix Ultra Sparc Servers".
You're on the right track, but acosting the wrong site:)
Windows NT Server Enterprise Edition ships with a full complement of Internet services,including Web, proxy, index, messaging, database, transaction and firewall services.
Really? Well it's no wonder that you're using NT for your own company's web site... oh wait, you're not, are you? Your company's site ( http://www.ncfocus.com/ is hosted by i-2000.com, which uses "Unix Ultra Sparc Servers" (doesn't say if it's Linux or Solaris).
Hmmmmm, it seems NT isn't even good enough for Mr. Morgenthal when it comes to performance and reliability.
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It's interesting that you would falsly accuse the good Commonwealth of using the wrong spelling of the word, when it is actually you who suggested the wrong spelling of the word.
What makes it even more interesting is that you went so far as to include the definitions of the two words, which proved their spelling and disproved yours.
As I learned many years ago, and the definitions in your post clearly explain, is that the city is capital and the building is capitol.
RP
I was fully behind the kids on this issue until I saw that they're not being forced to display their SSN, and saw that many parties are upset with the idea that the school would want you to wear a name tag.
So let's see it for what it is: A name tag issue. You're telling me that people at your school aren't going to learn your name? Sorry, but names aren't protected under the privacy act.
High school kids look for issues to rebel against. It's part of the game. Now that it turns out that their SSN aren't being forcibly comprimised, let's not blow this thing out of proportion.
RP
Here's an excerpt:
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----------BEGINNING OF EXCERPT-----------------
Network Working Group
Request for Comments: 8888
Category: Fake Standards Track
A. Gore
UVA/LCS
September 1999
The Commonwealth of Virginia as Internet Capital
Status of this Memo
This document specifies a Fake Internet standards track protocol for the
Internet community, and requests discussion and suggestions for
improvements. Please refer to the current edition of the "Internet
Official Protocol Standards" (STD 1) for the standardization state
and status of this protocol. Distribution of this memo is unlimited.
Abstract
The Commonwealth of Virginia is a state of rich heritage and extraordinary
natural beauty. Its attractions are as broad and diverse as its geography
and as abundant as its history. Stretching from the Atlantic Ocean to the Blue
Ridge and Allegheny mountains, Virginia is a mixture of exciting cities,
historic homes and towns, plentiful resources, and a wealth of recreational
activities.
It is therefore the purpose of this RFC to recommend that the Commonwealth
of Virginia be known for evermore as the Internet Capital of the World.
Table of Contents
1 Introduction.....................................
1.1 Purpose
----------END OF EXCERPT-----------------
I think I first noticed that about 3 years ago, during a discussion about various possibly-offensive domain names I was having with someone. We did several whois queries and saw that the NAACP had done it, as well as other groups like the Anti-Defamation League.
No doubt in my mind. Whether it's right, wrong, sad or whatever, it was a good idea. They could have just stood on the sidelines, like many other people were doing three years ago, and then hooped and hollared that somebody out there had an offensive site. Instead, they were proactive and grabbed it themselves. I'm no fan of the NAACP, but that was a good idea.
RP
For all y'all who are praising Google's lack of ads, it doesn't take too long to find this page, which basically says that ads are on the way.
Don't bitch too hard, though... ads make a lot of cool stuff free (slashdot, yahoo, altavista, you know this list could go on forever).
RP
Oh, I forgot to mention the reason I was going to post in the first place: I was going to say "Warn them first", which is how my posting ended up in this thread. But I got off track when I saw the posting that, when paraphrased, goes something like this: "they don't have the right to search their propery that we're using." I felt the urgent need to respond to that and forgot what I had set out do do... my fault.
:)
I think "warn them first" is the most important message. We all use company software, hardware and or e-mail for personal matters, and my policy has always been to warn first for things like porn searches and so forth. It gets the stuff cleaned up and avoids any undue embarassment, or an otherwise-productive person from getting fired for something stupid.
By the way, I still think the handkerchief analogy was dead-on
RP
> The fact that your company can use the excuse
> that because they paid for the bandwidth
> they own the mail is scary.
It's fair and it's right. Company e-mail is company e-mail. Got personal stuff? Send it through your own.
> If my company buys me a notebook and I write
> something offensive in it, can I be fired
> for it?
If I borrow your handkerchief and crap on it, you'll probably want to not let me use your handkerchief anymore.
> Do they have the right to search a bag if
> they buy me one?
Of course they do. It's theirs. Sheesh. You want something of your *own*? Quit using the company's stuff.
That's my take.
RP
Call me stupid (or just not interested enough in NT to do a whole lot of research), but I always kind of wondered what NT stood for. Apparently I was under some kinda rock when this was announced. "New Technology". Oooooohhhhhh......
RP
Jeez, Dimension's site is crawling hard. Perhaps MS is taking out their embarassment on them.
I happily call my self the "Notes Opposition" at my company. I work at a Notes company, but I'm an old-school web guy with Linux, Apache and Perl in my blood.
I'm rarely the one to defend Notes, but I do sometimes, in situations like this. I used to think that Notes was just e-mail, but I now know that it's a whole application development and serving environment. Is is absolutely not the best solution for a lot of situations, but sometimes it is:
Some of the most basic business and workflow applications that many custom apps turn out to be require an incredibly small amount of effort to develop in Notes.
When Lotus came out with Domino a few years ago, yes, it was a workaround. It was a way of not losing to the web. But it works pretty well, considering what it has to do (for those who don't know, it takes Notes data and translates it into HTML. One Notes database becomes like a CGI application. All the form tags point back to itself, you can add, edit and modify documents on the web). It's a great effort on the part of Lotus.
As a web developer, is Domino my favorite development tool? Hell no! Not by a long shot. But I recognize the value that it brings to businesses who truly use it (not the ones that just use it only for e-mail), and especially the ones who use it in the right situations and use other tools (like Linux, Perl and Apache) when they are appropriate.
RP
Sure, I'd like to see a Notes client for Linux, too. I've said many times that it's the only piece of software that's really keeping me from trying to ditch Windows altogether, because my company runs on Notes and I have to do what I have to do.
:)
However, let's take Linux for what it is right now... a server platform. Yeah, there are those of us geeks who can use it as a workstation, but it's real strength and growing market share is as a server -- httpd, ftpd, smbd, RDBMS, etc...
We all want to replace all the Windows client machines in our companies with Linux, but let's start by replacing the NT machines. Now that Domino is out, I could theoretically do that, because Linux can now serve as a PDC for a microsoft network (thanks to Samba) and as a Notes server.
This is an exciting time... give the publishers time after the release of a server application before you give them crap about the client
ReadParse
I submitted it also, but it wasn't a huge surprise to see that somebody else did. I would have posted it sooner (because I knew about it yesterday), but there's this little matter of a Lotus Business Partner confidentiality agreement that prevented my doing that until the public announcement was made.
I'm a web developer who has been the de facto Network Administrator for about a year now. I finally convinced my company to give me an old CompuDyne (that's latin for "piece of crap") P90 that I could use as a Linux firewall, and it's been slammin' out the good news for about six months now.
Can I tell stories of 70-hour weeks? Sure I can, and it's been that way since I got into the industry. If I do the math to come up with what hourly rate I make if I got paid by the hour (which I don't so it doesn't freakin' matter ), then yeah, it wouldn't be a huge amount. But like I said, I don't get paid by the hour and, if I did, I would be a contractor with no benefits. As it is, I've got great medical, which is important with a wife, 3-year-old, and another on the way. I've got a good 401(k) match and stock options. Could I cash them in and buy a house? Not yet, but that doesn't matter. I'm a part of something special. I was the fourth employee, and two years later we've got 15 or 16. This is exciting growth in an exciting industry. This is why I do it.
You want to change ISPs on me? Bring it on! Everybody uses DHCP (running on the Linux box) to get their internal IP address, IP masquerading (running on the Linux box) to get to the internet, and gets their DNS from... guess where... the Linux box. I've got 8 or 9 IP addresses bound to the external NIC card on the Linux box, so I'd have to change those, and there are a couple of other DNS things I'd have to change, but it would be pretty simple. As far as going to every client box... yeah, right! Not a chance. Sure, there are people who need hand-holding, but that's because they're morons. It's completely unrelated to any changes I make to the system. System changes are transparent, as they should be.
Sure, there's been the occasional "hey I can't do this or that", which prompts me to remember, "Oh yeah, I forgot to change the serial number in named.conf" or "I forgot to bounce the DHCP server." But that's just stupid crap I forgot to do - I can't blame anybody for that.
I don't mean to take away from the fact that people hit the "Send" button on their e-mail client and have no idea what has to happen behind the scenes... and sure, there are people who do what we do and don't get the credit for it. First of all, let's not pretend that we take each e-mail manually and route it. Once sendmail is configured, it works... and this is true for a whole lot of great, free, open source software (sendmail, apache, linux, perl to name a few). All the routing in between is somebody else's gig, and I trust my ISP to not drop that ball. And, let's be honest while we're at it, if they do drop that ball it ain't my problem. I won't like it, but I'll certainly say "the ISP dropped the ball". Somebody will say, "Fire them and get a new one," and I'll say, "Sure... no problem".
The subject of this posting could also be I downloaded the JRE for this?... but I digress:
I strongly agree with CoughDropAddict (can I call you CDA?) that this is pretty much useless.
I'll go a step further and tell you that it takes the words you enter and goes to two search engines (perhaps more, but two were all I identified), namely AltaVista and something called Scour.Net. I guess it then takes the titles of the documents it finds and swirls them about.
If you see one that interests you, tough! Because clicking on it will not necessarily bring up that phrase in the text box. If you click long enough, I guess it cycles through them. Eventually, you'll see the one you wanted. You hit and it goes out and does another search, this time using the page's title as keywords.
Wait a minute... what about the content of the page that I saw that had such an interesting title? What if I want to read it? I guess I'll have to go open a real browser to do that. I'll just copy'n'paste the URL of the page that I saw... no, wait. Netomat doesn't give you the URL either. OK, I'll just start over with a browser, by going to friggin' AltaVista my own self and doing a search. WAIT! That's what I already do!!!
Again, I installed the JRE for this?
Yours is the second post referring to what internetwk.com is hosted on... that's beside the point. I posted regarding NC.Focus' site ( http://www.ncfocus.com), of which Morgenthal is President.
That's the issue here... let's not chastise Internet Week for Morgenthal's ignorance.
Cheers,
ReadParse
I was gonna flat-out ignore homeboy's posting, until I read this:
What good is an operating system to a company if its programs have to be continually restarted?
Huh? I'm sure you meant to say, "What good is anoperating system to a company if the operating system has to be continually restarted?
Let's see, if I make a change to a daemon's configuration files, since that information is stored in memory... yes, I must restart the daemon. And that takes maybe a second or two.
On the other hand, install 10 programs on NT and tell me how many of them require a full system reboot (which can require several minutes of downtime). I'm guessing 6 or 7 of those installs would require it.
Try changing network settings, God forbid. "Oh, you want to change your DNS server? I'll have to restart for that one".
ReadParse
Just a second... do your homework first. Homeboy doesn't work for Internet Week, at least it doesn't look like it, but he is the president of NC.Focus (see the article's footer).
:)
I just investigated that site ( http://www.ncfocus.com/) and it's hosted by a company which runs "Unix Ultra Sparc Servers".
You're on the right track, but acosting the wrong site
ReadParse
Really? Well it's no wonder that you're using NT for your own company's web site... oh wait, you're not, are you? Your company's site ( http://www.ncfocus.com/ is hosted by i-2000.com, which uses "Unix Ultra Sparc Servers" (doesn't say if it's Linux or Solaris).
Hmmmmm, it seems NT isn't even good enough for Mr. Morgenthal when it comes to performance and reliability.