Okay, first off, you don't do your position any good to say "fuck" an average of 2.5 per sentence. It makes you look like the rabid Linux fanboy that Gates stereotypes in his interviews.
Second, there have been plenty of security vulnerabilities involving Apache, and in fact, some studies have shown Apache to be less secure in some circumstances. Either way, both IIS and Apache can easily be configured to be secure if you keep up with patches and lock down your server like any admin should.
Third, he was being asked about desktop attacks, not server attacks. In that context, he is 100% correct that Windows gets attacked more because it is on top. "Global popularity," as he put it. With the recent spate of vulnerabilitiles, would you really feel comfortable giving Mozilla the 95% or so marketshare that IE has if you could snap your fingers and have it happen? One could argue that Windows and IE are much more rigorously tested, and therefore much better vetted for vulnerabilities, than Linux and Mozilla.
Either way, he's absolutely right that Windows is more targetted because it is more popular. I don't see how you can even dispute that, even if you think it is "pure bullshit." Windows is more popular than Linux. If Linux was the top dog, I imagine hackers would be wringing their hands in delight at the problematic 2.6 kernel line we've been having. Nothing is perfect, even your beloved OS. In fact, to pretend that you're flawless while the competition is a failure is to cause yourself to fail due to lack of perspective. Gates is right on this one.
This may sound like flamebait, but I've often wondered if a lot of the vitriol comes not from genuine hatred of him and his products but out of envy that he and his company are one of the most successful and richest companies in the world. To the anti-corporation, anti-money, dorm room students who post on here, that is something to really hate. Even Steve Jobs says the battle was won, Microsoft won it, and people should move on (and that a victory for competitors doesn't have to mean a loss for Microsoft).
I know this doesn't apply to everybody here...but I'm guessing most.
When the authorities get involved with shutting down piracy rings, everyone here bitches and complains that they're focusing their resources on that while "rapists and molesters run free." As though it's a one-tier organization with 100% focused on one task at a time.
Yet here we that is clearly not the case, and in fact they are employing advanced technologies to enforce the law and protect people all over, even using the public to help them. I wonder if those sort of complaints mentioned above will cease, or will this article quickly get forgotten in the next round of timothy-posted pro-piracy articles?
Yes. Just like it's okay to smoke weed. Copyright and prohibition are both wrong.
It must be nice to just say that without any supporting evidence or explanation.
Yes. "GPL source code theft" is impossible.
Then why does Slashdot call it such?
You are quite the redundant one aren't you? They are mentioned all the time.
No, they're not. They're not mentioned in this article, either. You don't cite any instances where they are mentioned. The majority of discussion about piracy hinges on demonizing the RIAA in order to justify behavior people know is wrong, in order to shift their inner guilt from themselves to someone else.
I've pointed that out before, and you chose to misinterpret that back then also.(How soon they forget...)
You seem to make it a habit of outright saying something, and then when someone calls you on it, claiming you were "misinterpreted."
Going after people who harvest and spam your e-mail address is Good. Going after people who harvest and pirate somebody else's music is Bad. How's that moral relativism smell?
Wouldn't it suck if the car were to unconditionally burst into flames unless you were sure to also purchase an extra $1000 in "safety features" and have them installed perfectly before ever attempting to drive it?
You criticize an analogy by following up with an even more irrational one. Windows doesn't set itself on fire. It's other people writing the programs that set it on fire--essentially, it's vandalism by others.
Also, it doesn't cost "$1000" to download free updates. Linux distros issue monthly patches all the time for their supplied apps and services (LinuxSecurity.com), much more than Windows ever did.
Get it now? You microsoft apologists should really get a clue.
Someone has a HUGE chip on their shoulder...take a breath. We're just talking about an operating system here. This entire article is flamebait, but hey, it got the required page hits for OSTG's ad clients. Hook, line...and sinker.
My wife has me use my linux box to download pictures off her camera...
One day you will get over your fear and see there are actual real alternatives.. Unless you like dealing with that crap?
If Linux is such an easy to use alternative, why is your wife having you do it for her?
The common thread I see in all these "My grandma uses Linux" anecdotes is that the person relaying the story spent an hour or more setting everything up a very specific way for their grandmas/girlfriends/wives, thereby invalidating the claim that Linux is easy to use and configure.
Didn't you know that on Slashdot, everything is George W. Bush's fault? By the way some people talk around here, you'd think the DMCA was put into law under the Bush administration instead of under the Clinton administration in the 90s...
Don't forget the stream of consciousness Google articles! "Google should make a browser...I'll post an article about it. Google should make an operating system...I'll post an article about it. Google should..."
Viruses and worms are designed to do harm or cause death by actively exploiting flaws in the operating system.
Automobiles aren't. Even beer is intended for moderate use. Drunk drivers are the result of bad decisions on the drivers, not intentions on the part of auto manufacturers and beer-makers. Drunk drivers aren't exploiting flaws in the automobile; they're exploiting flaws in human stupidity.
I don't know how well.NET is going to take off on major apps. It's not like Adobe is going to rewrite Photoshop in managed C++.NET code. And the games will definitely be unmanaged straight C/C++. I have a feeling C# is just taking the place of Visual Basic.
I'm definitely curious how Microsoft will handle the Win32 compatibility layer in Longhorn. Will they try to phase it out? Apple is actually building on the Carbon APIs, treating it as a procedural alternative to the object-oriented Cocoa. Is Microsoft going to force everyone to rewrite for.NET, or stick with Win32 indefinitely?
It will also be interesting how this affects ports between Mac and Windows. Carbon is actually closer to how Windows does things, making a port easy. However,.NET and Cocoa take very different routes. Some have theorized Microsoft will release a.NET runtime for the Mac to allow their future Office suites to run, and Microsoft actually maintains an internal BSD port of the runtime. Interesting times.
Granted, the Longhorn sidebar still looks like it's gonna suck. Every app's gonna be sticking its ads there...
The lawsuit was filed, probably because someone using her computer or somehow connected to her in some way, it was found that she was dead and couldn't possibly be the one, and so the suit was dropped.
Why is this news? Is it so Slashdotters can hoot and holler about a suit that was already dropped? Obviously the wrong people will occassionally get named in these things due to the nature of IPs and the Internet.
Are we supposed to laugh at how dumb we think the RIAA is for going after individual downloaders, even though it's EXACTLY WHAT SLASHDOTTERS (including CmdrTaco) SAID THEY SHOULD DO back in 2000 during the Napster lawsuits?
Is it okay to violate music copyrights? If so, does that mean nobody should bitch in the next "GPL source code theft" article?
Just asking questions. With things like the iTunes store (.99 per song) and other online services, it's pretty silly to be justifying music piracy these days with excuses about how expensive and evil you think the RIAA is (notice the artists getting ripped off are never mentioned in those equations).
Consider: to port a game to Mac, you must reprogram the internals to function in a Unix-based OS
No, you don't, unless you're for some reason writing for the BSD layer. On OS X, you write for Cocoa or, in the more likely case (because of its similarity to the way Windows development works), the Carbon libraries.
There's a world of difference in writing for X11/Linux and writing for Carbon/Cocoa.
Once id released the Doom 3 client for linux, I could stop going back to windows to play it. It DOES run at the same speed as it does in windows, and I didn't have to muck around at all. It just worked.
No, it doesn't, and performance benchmarks have been done to prove this. id's own Linux guy explained it:
1.) GCC doesn't optimize for x86 as well as Visual Studio.NET. This isn't flamebait; it's common knowledge.
2.) The Linux port doesn't use SSE instructions, because they are written in assembly that would need to be ported over.
My own benchmarks also confirmed Doom 3 for Linux is much slower on the same hardware than for Windows XP. Also, I'm sure drivers come into play here.
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Or maybe he did answer the questions; you just didn't get the answers you wanted to hear from Bill Gates.
Okay, first off, you don't do your position any good to say "fuck" an average of 2.5 per sentence. It makes you look like the rabid Linux fanboy that Gates stereotypes in his interviews.
Second, there have been plenty of security vulnerabilities involving Apache, and in fact, some studies have shown Apache to be less secure in some circumstances. Either way, both IIS and Apache can easily be configured to be secure if you keep up with patches and lock down your server like any admin should.
Third, he was being asked about desktop attacks, not server attacks. In that context, he is 100% correct that Windows gets attacked more because it is on top. "Global popularity," as he put it. With the recent spate of vulnerabilitiles, would you really feel comfortable giving Mozilla the 95% or so marketshare that IE has if you could snap your fingers and have it happen? One could argue that Windows and IE are much more rigorously tested, and therefore much better vetted for vulnerabilities, than Linux and Mozilla.
Either way, he's absolutely right that Windows is more targetted because it is more popular. I don't see how you can even dispute that, even if you think it is "pure bullshit." Windows is more popular than Linux. If Linux was the top dog, I imagine hackers would be wringing their hands in delight at the problematic 2.6 kernel line we've been having. Nothing is perfect, even your beloved OS. In fact, to pretend that you're flawless while the competition is a failure is to cause yourself to fail due to lack of perspective. Gates is right on this one.
This may sound like flamebait, but I've often wondered if a lot of the vitriol comes not from genuine hatred of him and his products but out of envy that he and his company are one of the most successful and richest companies in the world. To the anti-corporation, anti-money, dorm room students who post on here, that is something to really hate. Even Steve Jobs says the battle was won, Microsoft won it, and people should move on (and that a victory for competitors doesn't have to mean a loss for Microsoft).
I know this doesn't apply to everybody here...but I'm guessing most.
When the authorities get involved with shutting down piracy rings, everyone here bitches and complains that they're focusing their resources on that while "rapists and molesters run free." As though it's a one-tier organization with 100% focused on one task at a time.
Yet here we that is clearly not the case, and in fact they are employing advanced technologies to enforce the law and protect people all over, even using the public to help them. I wonder if those sort of complaints mentioned above will cease, or will this article quickly get forgotten in the next round of timothy-posted pro-piracy articles?
Just askin'.
Not much of a loss here but rather an opportunity for serious developers to concentrate on the UNIX world.
You're right! *goes back to hacking on Mono*
Summary of the article:
.NET."
:P
Java creator: ".NET is insecure because of C and C++. Java is better."
Microsoft developer: "Only if you use unmanaged code. Out of thousands, I only know of one developer using C++
Why would Slashdot even bother with this meatless story? Oh, yeah--page hits for OSTG ad clients.
Yes. Just like it's okay to smoke weed. Copyright and prohibition are both wrong.
It must be nice to just say that without any supporting evidence or explanation.
Yes. "GPL source code theft" is impossible.
Then why does Slashdot call it such?
You are quite the redundant one aren't you? They are mentioned all the time.
No, they're not. They're not mentioned in this article, either. You don't cite any instances where they are mentioned. The majority of discussion about piracy hinges on demonizing the RIAA in order to justify behavior people know is wrong, in order to shift their inner guilt from themselves to someone else.
I've pointed that out before, and you chose to misinterpret that back then also.(How soon they forget...)
You seem to make it a habit of outright saying something, and then when someone calls you on it, claiming you were "misinterpreted."
Next.
Going after people who harvest and spam your e-mail address is Good. Going after people who harvest and pirate somebody else's music is Bad. How's that moral relativism smell?
Since he's being charged over stolen property, I'm assuming Slashdotters are okay with the concept of intellectual property in this circumstance.
Wouldn't it suck if the car were to unconditionally burst into flames unless you were sure to also purchase an extra $1000 in "safety features" and have them installed perfectly before ever attempting to drive it?
You criticize an analogy by following up with an even more irrational one. Windows doesn't set itself on fire. It's other people writing the programs that set it on fire--essentially, it's vandalism by others.
Also, it doesn't cost "$1000" to download free updates. Linux distros issue monthly patches all the time for their supplied apps and services (LinuxSecurity.com), much more than Windows ever did.
Get it now? You microsoft apologists should really get a clue.
Someone has a HUGE chip on their shoulder...take a breath. We're just talking about an operating system here. This entire article is flamebait, but hey, it got the required page hits for OSTG's ad clients. Hook, line...and sinker.
My wife has me use my linux box to download pictures off her camera ...
One day you will get over your fear and see there are actual real alternatives.. Unless you like dealing with that crap?
If Linux is such an easy to use alternative, why is your wife having you do it for her?
The common thread I see in all these "My grandma uses Linux" anecdotes is that the person relaying the story spent an hour or more setting everything up a very specific way for their grandmas/girlfriends/wives, thereby invalidating the claim that Linux is easy to use and configure.
Didn't you know that on Slashdot, everything is George W. Bush's fault? By the way some people talk around here, you'd think the DMCA was put into law under the Bush administration instead of under the Clinton administration in the 90s...
Exactly. I don't need my games to be realistic, I just want them to be representative. Doom 1 wasn't actually realistic; it just felt like it.
Don't forget the stream of consciousness Google articles! "Google should make a browser...I'll post an article about it. Google should make an operating system...I'll post an article about it. Google should..."
Viruses and worms are designed to do harm or cause death by actively exploiting flaws in the operating system.
Automobiles aren't. Even beer is intended for moderate use. Drunk drivers are the result of bad decisions on the drivers, not intentions on the part of auto manufacturers and beer-makers. Drunk drivers aren't exploiting flaws in the automobile; they're exploiting flaws in human stupidity.
Get him! He's breaking the hegemony!
I don't know how well .NET is going to take off on major apps. It's not like Adobe is going to rewrite Photoshop in managed C++ .NET code. And the games will definitely be unmanaged straight C/C++. I have a feeling C# is just taking the place of Visual Basic.
.NET, or stick with Win32 indefinitely?
.NET and Cocoa take very different routes. Some have theorized Microsoft will release a .NET runtime for the Mac to allow their future Office suites to run, and Microsoft actually maintains an internal BSD port of the runtime. Interesting times.
I'm definitely curious how Microsoft will handle the Win32 compatibility layer in Longhorn. Will they try to phase it out? Apple is actually building on the Carbon APIs, treating it as a procedural alternative to the object-oriented Cocoa. Is Microsoft going to force everyone to rewrite for
It will also be interesting how this affects ports between Mac and Windows. Carbon is actually closer to how Windows does things, making a port easy. However,
Granted, the Longhorn sidebar still looks like it's gonna suck. Every app's gonna be sticking its ads there...
If only this same attitude was applied to "A WINDOWS MACHINE WAS HACKED!" articles.
The lawsuit was filed, probably because someone using her computer or somehow connected to her in some way, it was found that she was dead and couldn't possibly be the one, and so the suit was dropped.
Why is this news? Is it so Slashdotters can hoot and holler about a suit that was already dropped? Obviously the wrong people will occassionally get named in these things due to the nature of IPs and the Internet.
Are we supposed to laugh at how dumb we think the RIAA is for going after individual downloaders, even though it's EXACTLY WHAT SLASHDOTTERS (including CmdrTaco) SAID THEY SHOULD DO back in 2000 during the Napster lawsuits?
Is it okay to violate music copyrights? If so, does that mean nobody should bitch in the next "GPL source code theft" article?
Just asking questions. With things like the iTunes store (.99 per song) and other online services, it's pretty silly to be justifying music piracy these days with excuses about how expensive and evil you think the RIAA is (notice the artists getting ripped off are never mentioned in those equations).
How did MS's IE beat Netscape?
By Netscape putting out a version that sucked compared to IE at the time.
Consider: to port a game to Mac, you must reprogram the internals to function in a Unix-based OS
No, you don't, unless you're for some reason writing for the BSD layer. On OS X, you write for Cocoa or, in the more likely case (because of its similarity to the way Windows development works), the Carbon libraries.
There's a world of difference in writing for X11/Linux and writing for Carbon/Cocoa.
Once id released the Doom 3 client for linux, I could stop going back to windows to play it. It DOES run at the same speed as it does in windows, and I didn't have to muck around at all. It just worked.
.NET. This isn't flamebait; it's common knowledge.
No, it doesn't, and performance benchmarks have been done to prove this. id's own Linux guy explained it:
1.) GCC doesn't optimize for x86 as well as Visual Studio
2.) The Linux port doesn't use SSE instructions, because they are written in assembly that would need to be ported over.
My own benchmarks also confirmed Doom 3 for Linux is much slower on the same hardware than for Windows XP. Also, I'm sure drivers come into play here.
Since Slashdot rejected my submission, enjoy: http://www.divisiontwo.com/articles/MacMini2.html
Doom would run anywhere. In fact, it was actually developed on a NeXT machine.
That would Macrosuck.