- Did they break anything? Delete a log? Probably not. - Did they tell what they did? Disclose the flaws? Yes.
Can someone please hit this uni with a clue stick? Look at my ISP: xs4all.nl (granted, they are formed by a early 70's Dutch hacker group, so they grok security pretty well..)
xs4all gives out FREE acoounts (for a year) to ANYONE who gains un-authorized access to their systems... and TELLS about it. They will file police reports only, if you DONT tell...
you see this as "leftish", I OTOH, see it as capitalist greedy pig behaviour.
Trying to protect private "property" ownership is one thing. Trying to control my mind by saying you own "intellectual property" is something completely different.
I, for one, welcome our new information owning overlords.
Any p2p client, which in the faq answers this question: "Is there a Linux client?" or "Will there be a Mac client" with a simple "no". is simply doomed to fail.
But nothing beats dselect. Well.. a RedHat network thingie for debian would be handy.. so I can schedule the dselect updates via the intarwebby, whilst I go back to tomatoe growing, or watching Moore's latest. Oh! Almost forgot bittorrent!
I want control over usability yes. I am a technofile. This post from firebird, debian-sarge. Not everyone is like me thou, that is true. People want usability first, THEN control usually.
-I- never said control is what you loose, when you gain usability. Thats BillG's line. And you are buying into it.
I don't buy it. Control, and usability are not mutually exclusive at all.
It is like saying, because software can be really big, as in kagoogel lines of code (thus having bugs is highly probable), errors in ALL software are un-avoidable.
Watch a Mac: more control than Windows, and it is better usable too.
people like Gates think users do not want control. He thinks we just want to "work" or "have fun".
It is the primary reason why Windows sucks too: its all good and well to abstract the machine from the user using eye-candy and whatnot. It is a stupendously Big Mistake to abstract the machine from the -admins-.
He reminds me of that IBM guy: all the world needs is 5 computers...
And its true, at that time, 5 * IBM-CPU was enough for all computational requirements of the time.
However, the PC revolution was so succesful, because people -want- control, not just "work" or "fun", people want -information-, especially the dangerous kind, so we can avoid -being- in danger.
Thats also why fire's, and car-wrecks fascinate us. We like to avoid becoming one, it is a good strategy to survive as a human.
"Sorry but how are you increasing your value as a person but stealing jobs away from other people? You already have a job."
So? So I should just shut up and work, is that it? Can a guy learn?
"If you create Application software which replaces software produced by smaller companies as closed source, you eliminate the following jobs: programmer, various support staff at the company, executives, advertising jobs, sales clerks, delivery/shipping jobs"
You mean, I do it better then all them together? Ok..
"Why not contribute to society"
I thought I just did, quite efficiently too.
Dude, your argument is: you can make everything free, but dont, because we wont have any jobs left.. Duh..
Question: What would YOU do, when we automate everything? Be it closed, or open sourced..
you just build in some terabytes ram (Hey, dont look funny, it will happen soon enough!), an mp3 player, hook up the thing directly to my hearing nerves. Voila! Instant audio memory and playback!
I am actually loosing my vibrating inner ear hairs, that translate soundwaves into nerve signals, as I dont have an eardrum on one side. When they are all gone ill be effectively deaf with that ear.
When I get there, I want above mentioned gadget, and STILL be able to visit concerts..
I wonder what that will mean to audio copyrights... imagine one of those implanted into your retina, for visuals..
It shimmers over "not installing.exe" like he never though of that trick, and it isnt really important
Well one thing he deserves applause for: "Microsoft wiped out Netscape in the Browser Wars of the late 1990s not only because the company's management pushed the bounds of business ethics"
It mentiones "without a user knowladge" but fails to adress it as an issue, instead blaiming sneaky spyware writers.
It then mentions Firefox, isnt a "one-click" (Didnt amazon patent that? they should watch using those words) install, because it needs "plugins" ans for java you need to go to "Sun" (who?)
And the obvious "youll still need IE for the trusty MS update teehee" and and the final worrd is ofcourse-we-didnt-do-it.: "Just watch firefox become popular adn the spyware will eat yur breeen too muahaha."
Escuse me while this "propellor-head" goes back to programming his (free) PVR, on his (free) OS of choice, after this session in a (free) browser to await the coming arrival of the firefox-virus writing overlords who will cometh to taketh over my desktoppe.
One time I started using this HUB/Router as my personal hub, all the cat5 connectors in the wall were busy doing laptop installs or something, so I needed a hub.
Should have remember I set up that thing with the same adress (for a demo) as our internet gateway.
It took me half the day to figure out why the hell our routing was messed up.
And one day long before that, I yelled long and harshly at a collegue of mine, for putting in a new win2k server with *DHCP* enabled at this customer site.. I was responsible for. Obviously there already was one there. That one took me an hour to figure out.
Is that not the American solution to ALL problems? "It is not a problem see, because IF.."
Some people do not have an endless supply of money you know. Even in America. Lessee.. -looks around- three pc's thats what, 300 EU in Windows? Open Office, another 200 EU,a good terminal client, mud client, cd burner app, PVR app sets me back another 200. Dude, thats 14 extra games for my PS2! And thats just the value of my daily usage software..
Oh, and on the security thing? In 95% procent of the cases a Linux users just doesnt NEED to think about security.. Like removing the default browser, and installing Firefox... Virusscanners, spyware removers.. I dont call that a "perhaps"
Slashdot Mirror
No matter how idiotic, everything about elections suddenly sounds more likely, when you add ...in America!
of the four machines in my home, three came with windows, just one has it left.. the rest runs linux excusively.
And the one that is left is a dualboot, strictly for gaming... And I might replace that with an xbox.. or a ps2.
"/Dread"
Collegues do not let collegues use Internet Explorer
Well at least Mister Moore does not own a MegaCorp set out to profit from his warmongering.
"/Dread"
"And poor people tend to spend their money poorly, like lottery tickets"
Oh, you mean poor people dont spend their money on usefull items?
Like 1000 yard sailboats, 60 hummers, and completely automated houses?
And. What else is a bank, but a saver matress?
"/Dread"
.. otherwise, who would Nigel play on ICC?
Academicchess
"/Dread"
Yeah yeah.. permission and all that.
- Did they break anything? Delete a log? Probably not.
- Did they tell what they did? Disclose the flaws? Yes.
Can someone please hit this uni with a clue stick? Look at my ISP: xs4all.nl (granted, they are formed by a early 70's Dutch hacker group, so they grok security pretty well..)
xs4all gives out FREE acoounts (for a year) to ANYONE who gains un-authorized access to their systems... and TELLS about it. They will file police reports only, if you DONT tell...
"/Dread"
Funny,
you see this as "leftish", I OTOH, see it as capitalist greedy pig behaviour.
Trying to protect private "property" ownership is one thing. Trying to control my mind by saying you own "intellectual property" is something completely different.
I, for one, welcome our new information owning overlords.
"/Dread"
Any p2p client, which in the faq answers this question: "Is there a Linux client?" or "Will there be a Mac client" with a simple "no". is simply doomed to fail.
"/Dread"
"Napster really had no legitimate use."
Depends on the law, and if you are doing the sharing or the leeching.
Leeching copyright content, and using it privatly, is still legal in the Netherlands.
"/Dread"
I know I have hearded this before... hmm Oh! I know! Col. Jessup! In "A Few Good Men!"
Fess' up, yer Jessup right?
What happened to him again?
"/Dread"
Sure, webmin is handy, so is rsync, so is samba.
scoadmin is handy.. (ducks!)
But nothing beats dselect. Well.. a RedHat network thingie for debian would be handy.. so I can schedule the dselect updates via the intarwebby, whilst I go back to tomatoe growing, or watching Moore's latest. Oh! Almost forgot bittorrent!
"/Dread"
I want control over usability yes. I am a technofile. This post from firebird, debian-sarge. Not everyone is like me thou, that is true. People want usability first, THEN control usually.
-I- never said control is what you loose, when you gain usability. Thats BillG's line. And you are buying into it.
I don't buy it. Control, and usability are not mutually exclusive at all.
It is like saying, because software can be really big, as in kagoogel lines of code (thus having bugs is highly probable), errors in ALL software are un-avoidable.
Watch a Mac: more control than Windows, and it is better usable too.
"/Dread"
people like Gates think users do not want control. He thinks we just want to "work" or "have fun".
It is the primary reason why Windows sucks too: its all good and well to abstract the machine from the user using eye-candy and whatnot. It is a stupendously Big Mistake to abstract the machine from the -admins-.
He reminds me of that IBM guy: all the world needs is 5 computers...
And its true, at that time, 5 * IBM-CPU was enough for all computational requirements of the time.
However, the PC revolution was so succesful, because people -want- control, not just "work" or "fun", people want -information-, especially the dangerous kind, so we can avoid -being- in danger.
Thats also why fire's, and car-wrecks fascinate us. We like to avoid becoming one, it is a good strategy to survive as a human.
"/Dread"
"Presumably the scammers are hoping that the scammees are as stupid as they are."
Having met a decent slice of Human population, I can say that in fact that is the case.
"/Dread"
Please remember who donated the staue of liberty to the US.
Thank you.
"/Dread"
I doubt that. MS is perfectly able to make a -posix- os. I doubt they need even a single line of SCO code.
Just a -license- would be enough eh?
In other news: SCO just dropped GCC en the LKP (Linux Kernel Personality) from Unixware because it is "tainted".
"/Dread"
Try Mandrake.
Seriously.
"/Dread"
"Sorry but how are you increasing your value as a person but stealing jobs away from other people? You already have a job."
So? So I should just shut up and work, is that it? Can a guy learn?
"If you create Application software which replaces software produced by smaller companies as closed source, you eliminate the following jobs: programmer, various support staff at the company, executives, advertising jobs, sales clerks, delivery/shipping jobs"
You mean, I do it better then all them together? Ok..
"Why not contribute to society"
I thought I just did, quite efficiently too.
Dude, your argument is: you can make everything free, but dont, because we wont have any jobs left.. Duh..
Question: What would YOU do, when we automate everything? Be it closed, or open sourced..
"/Dread"
you just build in some terabytes ram (Hey, dont look funny, it will happen soon enough!), an mp3 player, hook up the thing directly to my hearing nerves.
Voila! Instant audio memory and playback!
I am actually loosing my vibrating inner ear hairs, that translate soundwaves into nerve signals, as I dont have an eardrum on one side. When they are all gone ill be effectively deaf with that ear.
When I get there, I want above mentioned gadget, and STILL be able to visit concerts..
I wonder what that will mean to audio copyrights... imagine one of those implanted into your retina, for visuals..
"/Dread"
Allright, so I like "freedom of speech", and I also like "Information wants to be free".
Lets trade: The governement can know everything I do. AS long as -I- may know everything the governement knows. About everything. All.
No more dirty little secrets. No more "we cant tell for state security". Nothing. While we are at it, same goes for businesses.
Also no more privacy in the public space. But be reasonable, you dont have that already.
Remember kids; Information does not kill people. Information that -some people know and others do not- does.
Donny Rumsfelt said best: "There are known unknowns, and unknown unknowns.." etc. Well! Lets get rid of it!
"/Dread"
what they thought they bought..
"Here buy our company including ALL copyrights it ownz!"
"Ah sure that cool!"
"(But we are keeping the patents gnagnagna)"
Somehow this rings a bell..
"/Dread"
Mr Brinkhorst (Shame on him! Curse him!) just decided he did NOT have to follow the motion approved by Dutch parliament.
We WILL vote yes, to save his own goddamn face.
He can do that too, motions on our parialment our not binding.
See (dutch) Webwereld.nl
Goddamn motherfucker. Sorry for the cursing, im MAD. I am being ruled by idiots, with NO respect for their constituents.
"/Dread"
The whole article is damage control, and FUD.
.exe" like he never though of that trick, and it isnt really important
It shimmers over "not installing
Well one thing he deserves applause for: "Microsoft wiped out Netscape in the Browser Wars of the late 1990s not only because the company's management pushed the bounds of business ethics"
It mentiones "without a user knowladge" but fails to adress it as an issue, instead blaiming sneaky spyware writers.
It then mentions Firefox, isnt a "one-click" (Didnt amazon patent that? they should watch using those words) install, because it needs "plugins" ans for java you need to go to "Sun" (who?)
And the obvious "youll still need IE for the trusty MS update teehee" and and the final worrd is ofcourse-we-didnt-do-it.: "Just watch firefox become popular adn the spyware will eat yur breeen too muahaha."
Escuse me while this "propellor-head" goes back to programming his (free) PVR, on his (free) OS of choice, after this session in a (free) browser to await the coming arrival of the firefox-virus writing overlords who will cometh to taketh over my desktoppe.
"/Dread"
One time I started using this HUB/Router as my personal hub, all the cat5 connectors in the wall were busy doing laptop installs or something, so I needed a hub.
Should have remember I set up that thing with the same adress (for a demo) as our internet gateway.
It took me half the day to figure out why the hell our routing was messed up.
And one day long before that, I yelled long and harshly at a collegue of mine, for putting in a new win2k server with *DHCP* enabled at this customer site.. I was responsible for. Obviously there already was one there. That one took me an hour to figure out.
I repeat the mistakes other people make..
"/Dread"
Is that not the American solution to ALL problems? "It is not a problem see, because IF.."
Some people do not have an endless supply of money you know. Even in America.
Lessee.. -looks around- three pc's thats what, 300 EU in Windows? Open Office, another 200 EU,a good terminal client, mud client, cd burner app, PVR app sets me back another 200. Dude, thats 14 extra games for my PS2! And thats just the value of my daily usage software..
Oh, and on the security thing? In 95% procent of the cases a Linux users just doesnt NEED to think about security.. Like removing the default browser, and installing Firefox... Virusscanners, spyware removers.. I dont call that a "perhaps"
"/Dread"