'That ideal is already so far gone it is not funny. Think of all the taxes now that people who can't vote have to pay.'
"On the other hand, imagine how many people would actually vote if voter registration was required in order to be taxed."
I never said people who were unregistered. I was talking of people who can't register to vote and must still pay taxes.
Minors. Non-citizens. I am sure there are others if I put my mind to it. Is that more clear now? Not people who could vote if they bothered to register. People who can't vote even if they want to. Yet still have to pay taxes of one sort or another...
As in, really did find a loophole that let's them legally stab everyone in the back? One that we will be sure to fix in v3 and then they can't play such games anymore.
That kind of absolves, or did he say they what they did was perfectly fine and such practices will be ok going forward?
"The difference is that the creation of an artistic work is a more long-term investment: you pick up garbage, you get paid for it, but if you create an artistic work there is no money to be seen until you have invested a huge amount in producing a complete work"
This is not some natural law you know. You can actually think outside the box and get paid before you create an artistic work. Trust me on this one.
Oh, and I invite everyone's comments on the first comment at this link:
"And any new system is subject to retroactive foolishness. Even copylefted works could be retroactively made copyrighted if someone paid the government enough money."
Or public domain and then the derivatives copyrighted...
Gotcha, and I might make that bargain as well, but the problem I see is at least twofold.
1. They can make it and then pull the same foolishness with retroactive extensions that they do now.
2. They can't even get the public to comply now with these lesser 'controls' and the current extreme punishments. How are they ever gonna get the public to go along with extra 'controls' while lessening the punishments. (They really do need to lessen the punishments.)
The reason for number 5 is so that they choose an honest value for the work for tax purposes re point 4. It eliminates all the trouble of having a govenrment bureaucrat assess the value and all that goes along with it.
In essence, you tell us what it is worth, we will tax you based on the value you give us. Be honest with us though because we will force you to sell the copyright at the value you give us. (a few tweaks might help.)
"I'm also not wild about copylefted works being copyleft for the life of the author (honestly, that could just make someone a target for assassination--I know it sounds crazy, but it's true.)"
I don't doubt it, but that is true for copyright works now, which means all of your works probably. I have never heard of anyone being killed for it though. Anyone? Still... OK, copyleft is for 5,000 years. Seems like the supremes in the US would be ok with the idea that 5,000 yeas is a limited time as per the US constitution. (IE, now it is life + x years.)
"I really don't see a good reason to limit the price that the work can be sold for, particularly a copylefted work"
I guess something is not clear. In 4, copyleft works are not taxed, only copyright works, and so 5the forced sales of 5 do not apply as they are only there to promote honesty in step 4.
To be honest, I am not sure that doing things in the civil courts with the hugh statutory damages is mugh better.
At least in criminal court there would be a higher burden of proof.
The hugh potential "monetary punishments" are fairly horrendous as well. Down here, I think the monetary side is something like 20,000 or 25,000 per disk as well as the jail time mentioned...
"Well, I said stricter controls..."
I noticed that, what sort of stricter controls do you envision with lesser punishments? (Or equal punishments?)
"The entire value of the book is wrapped up in its IP, because copies have a trivial cost (compare to 200 years ago, when printing books had a significant cost)."
Well, I am putting my time where my mouth is and experimenting with other possibilities:
"I'd be really ecstatic if there were stricter controls even than we have now--as long as the length of copyright was reduced drastically and keys were escrowed with the government and released at the end of the copyright term."
Well, I would say that you are not thinking straight or that the punishments in your country are no where near as bad as they are in mine. How does 4 or 5 years in a reputedly very nasty jail for each non-genuine CD or DVD in your posession sound? (By that I mean even ones that you may have purchesed in good faith and been ripped off in the purchase because you were sold a bogus disk.)
I am fine with the drastically reduced terms though.
Would you care to comment on the first comment at this link:
You think the person who modded this flame bait might have mistakenly thought that he was from the same country as I was? If that was the reason, he was more than likely mistaken.
If not, wassup mabeezo? Well muddah take sick! Why you do dat?
I am living where I come from, my people are from here from way back. I would rather not leave my home just because the guys in power pass some cockeyed laws.
Are all of your country's laws perfect? All the politicians honest over that way?
"Some might view internet pornography as morally wrong but I wouldn't think it to warrant a lifetime sentence."
In my supposedly free country, if I understand things correctly, and I have chatted with a lawyer about it, one can get 4 or 5 years of jail time for each non-genuine DVD or CD that you have in your posession. I don't think that is warranted either myself.
I don't even think the statutory damages are warranted myself.
"But what's at issue here is not the exclusionary nature of patents in general, it's the inequitable way in which it is being used: companies who cross-license the entire portfolio have no costs, while newcomers to the market may not be able to enter at all."
Here is a related question.
Are all of the patents in that Free Software protection pool from companies who have their entire portfolio cross-licensed with MS and others who would harm Free Software? Especially of the copyleft sort...
"As a for-profit company, Novell is interested in the opinion of the paying customers."
and
"as this could get them out of the market for small users, but big time into the real corporate realm"
Yes, but this could result in them not being able to distribute one of their main products. (I said could, not would.) It seems it has already seriously upset some of the main creators of their main product.
The fact that the details of the deal are secret is not helping them when they protest their innocence either.
Does anyone around here know how patent deals generally work?
"The Studio to Go! Demo Disk is now available for immediate download!"
and
"You can use this demo to check your sound hardware for compatability and take an introductory tour, listen to demo songs as well as try composition to get a feel for how the package works. You're free to play with any of the included applications to your heart's content."
So you can test your hardware and mess around some without having to install anything, it is a "liveCD" dealia. There may be others, demudi or dynebolic from memory, don't trust my remembered spellings...
"It's because they'll scale it back and say "how's that, now it's not as restrictive" and people will say "that's better!" even though NO ADDITIONAL LAWS are actually required!"
Bingo! Can we propose some counter laws to then compromise on?
1. All copyrighted works that are not marked, becoms automatically copyleft instead of all rights reserved.
2. A yearly tax on the value (where tax = a percentage of the value) of the copyrighted work. Copyleft works are exempt.
3. The value for tax purposes is self declared but is also the value that you will be forced to sell the copyright at if someone wants to buy.
4. All works in any way funded by "government" money must become copyleft.
5. ???
Actually, I think I quite like them, I am not sure we should compromise on them.
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'That ideal is already so far gone it is not funny. Think of all the taxes now that people who can't vote have to pay.'
"On the other hand, imagine how many people would actually vote if voter registration was required in order to be taxed."
I never said people who were unregistered. I was talking of people who can't register to vote and must still pay taxes.
Minors. Non-citizens. I am sure there are others if I put my mind to it. Is that more clear now? Not people who could vote if they bothered to register. People who can't vote even if they want to. Yet still have to pay taxes of one sort or another...
all the best,
drew
"Let me get this straight"
1. Put the lime in the ____
2. Drink em both ___
3. ???
4. Profit
5. Pay virtual tax.
all the best,
drew
"No Taxation without Representation!"
That ideal is already so far gone it is not funny. Think of all the taxes now that people who can't vote have to pay.
all the best,
drew
Yes, but if it comes out of game it is already real and not virtual and can be taxed there. No?
all the best,
drew
"As in they really did find a loophole. And yes GPLv3 closes this loophole."
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So, is absolves the right term? Especially in relation to RMS.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define%3A+ab
all the best,
drew
As in, really did find a loophole that let's them legally stab everyone in the back? One that we will be sure to fix in v3 and then they can't play such games anymore.
That kind of absolves, or did he say they what they did was perfectly fine and such practices will be ok going forward?
Just asking.
all the best,
drew
Gee,
this rant gives me deja vu all over again...
~;-)
No it does, do you copy and paster this where appropriate???
all the best,
drew
"That is why it is different then other property. They want indeffinate copyright?"
4 3#comment
Tax them on the value of the work...
See the first comment at this link:
http://www.digitalproductions.co.uk/index.php?id=
Let me know if you like it and if you can see ways to improve it if you would be so kind.
all the best,
drew
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/262954
"The difference is that the creation of an artistic work is a more long-term investment: you pick up garbage, you get paid for it, but if you create an artistic work there is no money to be seen until you have invested a huge amount in producing a complete work"
4 3#comment
This is not some natural law you know. You can actually think outside the box and get paid before you create an artistic work. Trust me on this one.
Oh, and I invite everyone's comments on the first comment at this link:
http://www.digitalproductions.co.uk/index.php?id=
all the best,
drew
"This makes it far less useful to assassinate a person just to get his works dumped into the public domain."
Sure, so like I say, just change to life plus X in the proposed system instead of simply life.
"Sounds like a great system now, but sadly, probably something we will never see in practice."
You are probably right, but, if you like them, spread the ideas, you never know what might start a change...
all the best,
drew
"And any new system is subject to retroactive foolishness. Even copylefted works could be retroactively made copyrighted if someone paid the government enough money."
Or public domain and then the derivatives copyrighted...
all the best,
drew
"Largely, legal reductions in fair use."
Gotcha, and I might make that bargain as well, but the problem I see is at least twofold.
1. They can make it and then pull the same foolishness with retroactive extensions that they do now.
2. They can't even get the public to comply now with these lesser 'controls' and the current extreme punishments. How are they ever gonna get the public to go along with extra 'controls' while lessening the punishments. (They really do need to lessen the punishments.)
all the best,
drew
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/262954
Sayings - Deterred Bahamian Novel
NaNoWriMo 2006 winning novel (in progress)
The reason for number 5 is so that they choose an honest value for the work for tax purposes re point 4. It eliminates all the trouble of having a govenrment bureaucrat assess the value and all that goes along with it.
In essence, you tell us what it is worth, we will tax you based on the value you give us. Be honest with us though because we will force you to sell the copyright at the value you give us. (a few tweaks might help.)
"I'm also not wild about copylefted works being copyleft for the life of the author (honestly, that could just make someone a target for assassination--I know it sounds crazy, but it's true.)"
I don't doubt it, but that is true for copyright works now, which means all of your works probably. I have never heard of anyone being killed for it though. Anyone? Still... OK, copyleft is for 5,000 years. Seems like the supremes in the US would be ok with the idea that 5,000 yeas is a limited time as per the US constitution. (IE, now it is life + x years.)
"I really don't see a good reason to limit the price that the work can be sold for, particularly a copylefted work"
I guess something is not clear. In 4, copyleft works are not taxed, only copyright works, and so 5the forced sales of 5 do not apply as they are only there to promote honesty in step 4.
all the best,
drew
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/262954
CC BY-SA (trying to copyleft my 'novels')
Enjoy...
"Otherwise, it's all handled in civil courts."
To be honest, I am not sure that doing things in the civil courts with the hugh statutory damages is mugh better.
At least in criminal court there would be a higher burden of proof.
The hugh potential "monetary punishments" are fairly horrendous as well. Down here, I think the monetary side is something like 20,000 or 25,000 per disk as well as the jail time mentioned...
"Well, I said stricter controls..."
I noticed that, what sort of stricter controls do you envision with lesser punishments? (Or equal punishments?)
all the best,
drew
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123
"The entire value of the book is wrapped up in its IP, because copies have a trivial cost (compare to 200 years ago, when printing books had a significant cost)."
4 3#comment
Well, I am putting my time where my mouth is and experimenting with other possibilities:
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/85937
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/262954
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/187924
"I'd be really ecstatic if there were stricter controls even than we have now--as long as the length of copyright was reduced drastically and keys were escrowed with the government and released at the end of the copyright term."
Well, I would say that you are not thinking straight or that the punishments in your country are no where near as bad as they are in mine. How does 4 or 5 years in a reputedly very nasty jail for each non-genuine CD or DVD in your posession sound? (By that I mean even ones that you may have purchesed in good faith and been ripped off in the purchase because you were sold a bogus disk.)
I am fine with the drastically reduced terms though.
Would you care to comment on the first comment at this link:
http://www.digitalproductions.co.uk/index.php?id=
I am also experimenting with music:
http://musicians.opensrc.org/DrewRoberts
and am thinking about messing somehow with a movie next year...
all the best,
drew
You think the person who modded this flame bait might have mistakenly thought that he was from the same country as I was? If that was the reason, he was more than likely mistaken.
If not, wassup mabeezo? Well muddah take sick! Why you do dat?
all the best,
drew
I am living where I come from, my people are from here from way back. I would rather not leave my home just because the guys in power pass some cockeyed laws.
Are all of your country's laws perfect? All the politicians honest over that way?
all the best,
drew
http://musicians.opensrc.org/DrewRoberts
"so that this rubbish gets shafted with slower transfer of packets."
I think that this rubbish might get the faster packets. Careful what you wish for. It may not turn out as you think.
all the best,
drew
"Some might view internet pornography as morally wrong but I wouldn't think it to warrant a lifetime sentence."
In my supposedly free country, if I understand things correctly, and I have chatted with a lawyer about it, one can get 4 or 5 years of jail time for each non-genuine DVD or CD that you have in your posession. I don't think that is warranted either myself.
I don't even think the statutory damages are warranted myself.
all the best,
drew
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/262954
Sayings - Deterred Bahamian Novel
And don't forget the semi-recent attempts to patent plots...
all the best,
drew
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/262954
Sayings
See if you can find a plot in there to patent...
"But what's at issue here is not the exclusionary nature of patents in general, it's the inequitable way in which it is being used: companies who cross-license the entire portfolio have no costs, while newcomers to the market may not be able to enter at all."
Here is a related question.
Are all of the patents in that Free Software protection pool from companies who have their entire portfolio cross-licensed with MS and others who would harm Free Software? Especially of the copyleft sort...
all the best,
drew
"As a for-profit company, Novell is interested in the opinion of the paying customers."
and
"as this could get them out of the market for small users, but big time into the real corporate realm"
Yes, but this could result in them not being able to distribute one of their main products. (I said could, not would.) It seems it has already seriously upset some of the main creators of their main product.
The fact that the details of the deal are secret is not helping them when they protest their innocence either.
Does anyone around here know how patent deals generally work?
all the best,
drew
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/262954
Sayings - Deterred Bahamian Novel
Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike
Happy to have provided the links.
This is one of the best places for linux related audio links:
http://linux-sound.org/
I use a delta 1010 sometimes and an alesis multimix8usb sometimes. Plus, more generic and onboard sound cards.
If you want to see if your sound card is supported, check this link:
http://www.alsa-project.org/alsa-doc/
Plus, with studio to go at the link I provided:
http://www.ferventsoftware.com/
it says this:
"The Studio to Go! Demo Disk is now available for immediate download!"
and
"You can use this demo to check your sound hardware for compatability and take an introductory tour, listen to demo songs as well as try composition to get a feel for how the package works. You're free to play with any of the included applications to your heart's content."
So you can test your hardware and mess around some without having to install anything, it is a "liveCD" dealia. There may be others, demudi or dynebolic from memory, don't trust my remembered spellings...
all the best,
drew
How can we make them harmonize in the other direction?
all the best,
drew
"It's because they'll scale it back and say "how's that, now it's not as restrictive" and people will say "that's better!" even though NO ADDITIONAL LAWS are actually required!"
Bingo! Can we propose some counter laws to then compromise on?
1. All copyrighted works that are not marked, becoms automatically copyleft instead of all rights reserved.
2. A yearly tax on the value (where tax = a percentage of the value) of the copyrighted work. Copyleft works are exempt.
3. The value for tax purposes is self declared but is also the value that you will be forced to sell the copyright at if someone wants to buy.
4. All works in any way funded by "government" money must become copyleft.
5. ???
Actually, I think I quite like them, I am not sure we should compromise on them.
all the best,
drew