[It seems a reasonable assertion that this will eventually cause a rift in the open source movement.]
First. You word it wrong.... rift between the Free Software movement and the open source software movement. That's probably better.
Second. Wake up. It has caused this rift long ago already.
Third. It doesn't matter. The FS people use the GPL for their reasons and the OSS people use the GPL for their reasons. They can both use each other's code. They can all even work on the same projects without knowing who is who. So far no big problem.
Fourth. OK, I think it does matter, but the points above do hold.
[The biggest obstacle I would see is they (and any band) would have problems booking gigs in larger venues without greasing the wheels of the venue promoters who are most likely in the pockets of the music industry.]
One immediate thought would be to find some way to pre sell tickets with money back if no show. Go to the venue with a sold out concert and see if they change their tune.
At least you might make the news when the venue refuses to play a pre sold out concert.
I have used peercast for years. I am still meaning to try freecast. One of the people involved in freecast hangs out in the #rivendell channel on freenode if you have any questions for him.
all the best,
drew
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123 A link to "Tings" the first draft of a novel I wrote in November 05 and put under a CC BY-SA licence. (think copyleft)
[why not strike the problem at its root and weaken the copyrights of those who abuse them?]
Bam! Finally someone who sees what I see on this. (check my other posts.)
You price fix, you lose your copyrights. (If you are not gonna take them away completely, but just reduce the term, you should include a period right now when they are not enforceable. Immediate punishment as it were.)
As I have been saying for a long while, there are no free markets in goods protected by copyrights and patents.
(With the possible exception of copyleft only type goods.)
[however you're forgetting the ultimate "rule" of free-market economics: charge as high a price as people are willing to pay, not what's really fair.]
Hmmm, but when you are dealing in a product where the government is giving you a protected monopoly on said product, you are not talking free-market economics anymore.
And copyright is indeed a protected monopoly granted to you by the government. So, no free markets here.
How about if you are found guilty of price fixing something to which you own copyrights or patents to, you lose those copyright and patent protections. As well as the other penalties.
"Just because your little sister is your Linux brainchild, doesn't mean that ANYONE should be forced to use something they're not comfortable with."
This particular comment makes no sense. Are you saying that if the city hires someone who is familiar with a different app than the city has standardised on that the city should change? Perhaps you are, and perhaps I actually agree with you on a moments reflection (if so, ignore the no sense comment) but I doubt many would agree with this position.
perhaps all those getting a law education should be required to get a mandatory tech education as well. Perhaps they should have to learn what is and is not possible/reasonable in the tech world before being turned loose to make laws trying to govern technology?
'I guess you were never too keen on the term "ideal", were you?'
In fact, I also truly enjoy hypothetical scenarios. I get in quite a lot of trouble because of this in fact.
Oh, I like the term ideal just fine. Do you posit that DRM would allow you to control the premises of your accountant? Or do you have deep enough pockets to have him and the rest of his team stay on your site for the duration?
In my years of experience, which includes going on numerous audits, that is not how things work. Your data generally goes back to the Accounting Firms premises for at least some of the workup.
So, again, how are you gonna control who he lets sit in front of his machine back at his office?
Are we talking DRM which includes human body detection and more besides?
Or are you just talking your in house accountant and not the auditors. And while we are at it, how do you propose to have this DRM control what the IRS or other relevant taxing authority can do with your figures? Do you think they are gonna allow that?
I just don't see it. If I am missing something obvious, or we have a misunderstanding of definitions, I am all ears.
I dont't know if it is just you or if there are others in agreement, but however many of you there are, you would be wrong.
I can be found using similar language from time to time, probably something like "the big boys" or "the big guys" and I have been out of college since 1981.
I have had my own company for many years now. Many people here, on hearing me talk on subjects I most often talk on, would probably conclude I am right wing and fairly far right. (I don't know that they would be right though.) I like the idea of Free Markets. I don't think items protected by copyrights and patents can take part in the free markets though. They are inherently monopoly goods. That is, after all, the whole idea behind those protections.
"I can send my accountant an encrypted accounts file, for example, but have to trust that he won't redistribute it. With ideal DRM, I don't have to trust him."
Sure you do, he can still let someone else sit in front of the machine. Can't he?
So, they want to build their businesses on the back of google's search engine which they do not pay for, but google news should not build its business on the back of the papers unless it pays the papers. Is that about how you are saying it should be? (Or are saying they say it should be.)
I know that may come across a bit offensive, please do not take it so, just make the necessary corrections and we can continue the discussion.
"The funny thing is that the news companies just cant opt out of it...without making every other person that comes to their site sign up for an account or something similar that would effectively close the news site off to pretty much everyone and everything on the web."
Cool, how about everyone require a signed agreement from reporters that the articles based on the interview be placed under a CC BY-SA license. AND that the copyright be shared between the reporter and the interviewee.
I mean, why should you talk to them unless they pay you? Unless they give you something else in return?
Interesting, someone thinks the above was a troll. Very odd.
I agreed with one point the parent made and disagreed with another and this is trolling. It sure is easy to troll these days. I hope I catch a barry next time.
To each his own I guess.
One thing I am not interested in is trolling. Oh well.
"Then you charge to some people and demand to be paid in gold and refuse to accept dollars."
OK, so I learned something new. I will have to check if the law applies in the same way in my country. BTW, here at least, iirc, coins do not claim to be legal tender.
However, you did not discuss specifically the above part of my proposed situation.
That is, my goods are priced by weight of gold, I let you buy them on credit, I try and insist that you pay in gold weight. By letting you charge, I am creating a debt.
Just as a wrinkle on the discussion. How is the debt angle affected by payment in advance versus payment after setups? For instance, you go to a fast food establishment where they want the payment before you get the goods versus you go to a fine restaurant where you get the goods up front and pay afterwards.
Could you not stretch things and claim that in the latter case you are settling a debt?
Slashdot Mirror
So,
does anyone know of any text only office suites that support ODF?
all the best,
drew
Dude,
I don't care how much you try, I really don't think you can get them to blame it on the rain.
all the best,
drew
Do not go Gently into that good knight.
Gently, are you listening? That knight has it in for you.
all the best,
drew
I wish I could tell you that it was Back before my time, but in truth it is more like Bach in the day.
all the best,
drew
[It seems a reasonable assertion that this will eventually cause a rift in the open source movement.]
... rift between the Free Software movement and the open source software movement. That's probably better.
First. You word it wrong.
Second. Wake up. It has caused this rift long ago already.
Third. It doesn't matter. The FS people use the GPL for their reasons and the OSS people use the GPL for their reasons. They can both use each other's code. They can all even work on the same projects without knowing who is who. So far no big problem.
Fourth. OK, I think it does matter, but the points above do hold.
all the best,
drew
Hey Paul,
I am basically an audio broadcaster when it comes to peercast. All linux.
I have experimented with streaming video both from a web cam and a video camera over firewire again all linux. (peercast again)
If you want some notes, let me know.
all the best,
drew
[The biggest obstacle I would see is they (and any band) would have problems booking gigs in larger venues without greasing the wheels of the venue promoters who are most likely in the pockets of the music industry.]
One immediate thought would be to find some way to pre sell tickets with money back if no show. Go to the venue with a sold out concert and see if they change their tune.
At least you might make the news when the venue refuses to play a pre sold out concert.
all the best,
drew
Take a look at peercast as well.
And while you are at it, you may as well check freecast.
http://www.peercast.org/
http://www.freecast.org/
I have used peercast for years. I am still meaning to try freecast. One of the people involved in freecast hangs out in the #rivendell channel on freenode if you have any questions for him.
all the best,
drew
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123
A link to "Tings" the first draft of a novel I wrote in November 05 and put under a CC BY-SA licence. (think copyleft)
[As for justifying the expense, it's business in a free market economy. You price your product to whatever the market will bear.]
It is not a free market economy when we are talking copyrights and patents. Then it is a market of protected government granted monopolies.
all the best,
drew
[why not strike the problem at its root and weaken the copyrights of those who abuse them?]
Bam! Finally someone who sees what I see on this. (check my other posts.)
You price fix, you lose your copyrights. (If you are not gonna take them away completely, but just reduce the term, you should include a period right now when they are not enforceable. Immediate punishment as it were.)
As I have been saying for a long while, there are no free markets in goods protected by copyrights and patents.
(With the possible exception of copyleft only type goods.)
all the best,
drew
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http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123
For instance, my BY-SA covered novel "Tings"
[however you're forgetting the ultimate "rule" of free-market economics: charge as high a price as people are willing to pay, not what's really fair.]
Hmmm, but when you are dealing in a product where the government is giving you a protected monopoly on said product, you are not talking free-market economics anymore.
And copyright is indeed a protected monopoly granted to you by the government. So, no free markets here.
all the best,
drew
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http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123
A copyleft (ok, a BY-SA) book, just for you.
How about if you are found guilty of price fixing something to which you own copyrights or patents to, you lose those copyright and patent protections. As well as the other penalties.
all the best,
drew
You forgot the ??? step... Can you revise the business plan in keeping with slashdot tradition?
all the best,
drew
"Just because your little sister is your Linux brainchild, doesn't mean that ANYONE should be forced to use something they're not comfortable with."
This particular comment makes no sense. Are you saying that if the city hires someone who is familiar with a different app than the city has standardised on that the city should change? Perhaps you are, and perhaps I actually agree with you on a moments reflection (if so, ignore the no sense comment) but I doubt many would agree with this position.
all the best,
drew
LOL indeed. I did and I liked it.
all the best,
drew
http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123
Well hey,
perhaps all those getting a law education should be required to get a mandatory tech education as well. Perhaps they should have to learn what is and is not possible/reasonable in the tech world before being turned loose to make laws trying to govern technology?
Just a zany thought.
all the best,
drew
'I guess you were never too keen on the term "ideal", were you?'
In fact, I also truly enjoy hypothetical scenarios. I get in quite a lot of trouble because of this in fact.
Oh, I like the term ideal just fine. Do you posit that DRM would allow you to control the premises of your accountant? Or do you have deep enough pockets to have him and the rest of his team stay on your site for the duration?
In my years of experience, which includes going on numerous audits, that is not how things work. Your data generally goes back to the Accounting Firms premises for at least some of the workup.
So, again, how are you gonna control who he lets sit in front of his machine back at his office?
Are we talking DRM which includes human body detection and more besides?
Or are you just talking your in house accountant and not the auditors. And while we are at it, how do you propose to have this DRM control what the IRS or other relevant taxing authority can do with your figures? Do you think they are gonna allow that?
I just don't see it. If I am missing something obvious, or we have a misunderstanding of definitions, I am all ears.
all the best,
drew
"Is it just me..."
I dont't know if it is just you or if there are others in agreement, but however many of you there are, you would be wrong.
I can be found using similar language from time to time, probably something like "the big boys" or "the big guys" and I have been out of college since 1981.
I have had my own company for many years now. Many people here, on hearing me talk on subjects I most often talk on, would probably conclude I am right wing and fairly far right. (I don't know that they would be right though.) I like the idea of Free Markets. I don't think items protected by copyrights and patents can take part in the free markets though. They are inherently monopoly goods. That is, after all, the whole idea behind those protections.
So, I am not some anti-business college student.
So, you were saying?
all the best,
drew
"I can send my accountant an encrypted accounts file, for example, but have to trust that he won't redistribute it. With ideal DRM, I don't have to trust him."
Sure you do, he can still let someone else sit in front of the machine. Can't he?
all the best,
drew
I don't know, but I do see your point.
So, they want to build their businesses on the back of google's search engine which they do not pay for, but google news should not build its business on the back of the papers unless it pays the papers. Is that about how you are saying it should be? (Or are saying they say it should be.)
I know that may come across a bit offensive, please do not take it so, just make the necessary corrections and we can continue the discussion.
all the best,
drew
"The funny thing is that the news companies just cant opt out of it...without making every other person that comes to their site sign up for an account or something similar that would effectively close the news site off to pretty much everyone and everything on the web."
t orial.htm
robots.txt
http://www.searchengineworld.com/robots/robots_tu
Are we claiming that google does not obey robots.txt?
all the best,
drew
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http://www.ourmedia.org/node/58805
I have been around (on the net) since before AltaVista and I would guess that web crawlers have been operating before many news sites got on the web.
t orial.htm
Surely they know how these things work. Just put a robots.txt or a password login on their site and put the kabosh on google. What is the problem?
http://www.searchengineworld.com/robots/robots_tu
Just a clue.
Or hey, block google's ip addresses.
all the best,
drew
Cool, how about everyone require a signed agreement from reporters that the articles based on the interview be placed under a CC BY-SA license. AND that the copyright be shared between the reporter and the interviewee.
I mean, why should you talk to them unless they pay you? Unless they give you something else in return?
That could be a bit of fun don't you think?
all the best,
drew
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http://www.ourmedia.org/user/17145
Interesting, someone thinks the above was a troll. Very odd.
I agreed with one point the parent made and disagreed with another and this is trolling. It sure is easy to troll these days. I hope I catch a barry next time.
To each his own I guess.
One thing I am not interested in is trolling. Oh well.
all the best,
drew
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http://www.ourmedia.org/node/111123
Tings - Anuddah Bahamian Novel (raw and unedited)
"Then you charge to some people and demand to be paid in gold and refuse to accept dollars."
OK, so I learned something new. I will have to check if the law applies in the same way in my country. BTW, here at least, iirc, coins do not claim to be legal tender.
However, you did not discuss specifically the above part of my proposed situation.
That is, my goods are priced by weight of gold, I let you buy them on credit, I try and insist that you pay in gold weight. By letting you charge, I am creating a debt.
Just as a wrinkle on the discussion. How is the debt angle affected by payment in advance versus payment after setups? For instance, you go to a fast food establishment where they want the payment before you get the goods versus you go to a fine restaurant where you get the goods up front and pay afterwards.
Could you not stretch things and claim that in the latter case you are settling a debt?
Thanks for the info.
all the best,
drew
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http://www.ourmedia.org/node/145261
'Tings' BY-SA Song Contest comming.
Record a song and enter to win $1,000.00.