yes, i agree that the movie was definitly lacking in all of the areas that make a movie good, yet it still had one moment which made it all worthwhile for me. towards the very end, when they were getting ready to leave the white room, but the one guy (can't remember his name... i always take that to be a sign of a bad movie when i cant remember character names) decided to stay behind because of some sort of count down to a launching? well did anyone other than my roommate and me see the large circles and lines on the floor which were very obviously counting in binary??? ya, that made the whole movie for me...
no no no, youve missed the point. the whole idea here is that when children build things with legos they learn invaluable problem sovling and engineering like skills that will be an asset to them their entire lives! building the 'Mega-Castle-Fortress-set-including-the-black-knig ht' is not necessarilly the best activity for developing these skills, but it can help get a child interested in these things which can then lead to them learning so much more.
the same can not be said at all for athletics. of course it's important to exercise and keep the body in shape, and for that reason we have phys. ed. classes. much in the same way one could argue that classes like these should be offered, not necessarily with lego, but some sort of problem solving classes. rather then teaching kids to regurgitate dates from a book, teach them to build their own worlds, use their imaginations, and solve the problems that the world is going to need solved when they become adults.
perhaps schools are not the best place to do this either. parents should at home encourage more intelligent play for their kids, in addition to healthier play (like sports).
my first computer, back around 1989 was a Tandy 1000 RL. It had ran ms-dos 3.x and had a GUI developed by tanday called either desktop or deskmate. i hadnt thought about it for years now, but this discussion has made me remember it!
so this made me look at the timeline. when did the mac's first start getting gui? and wen did win1.0 come out? any other old tandy users out there?
"Something goes wrong when you and Quentin try to break into the school's computer system, and you are both caught. Your friends get very angry with you and Quentin for looking at their grades. Your school had to pay a lot of money to figure out who had broken into the computer, and to fix it so that it will not happen again. There is now no money left to purchase new sports equipment."
so what is that saying, that its the cracker's fault that your school cant buy more sports gear for all the jocks??? is it just me, or does this seem like nerd discrimination to anyone else???
Ive been reading a lot of horrible predictions lately about an AI that we create that in turn ends up getting very mean and killing all of mankind (the matrix, various other 21st c predictions on/.) Now maybe Im being naive here, but it seems to me that as long as we are careful in programming this AI that there is no way that it would become evil and blood thirsty. If we do not give them the capacity to become angry, or to possess any of the more "negative" emotions that we have, then I can't see them ever becmoing evil.
But I suppose that that whole statement is based on the assumption that these AIs would have emotions, which are what always drive all human conflicts. So what about a life form that had no emotion? Could it be violent and try to kill us all?? The reference I will use is from star trek: the next generation. If we look at Data, we see a AI life form who (initially) had no emotions, and who had failsafe programming to make him fall back on ethics. Then if we look at Data's brother Lore, we see an AI that had emotions and a worse ethics backup, and we see what bad things he did.
But if we are creating something which is really a new life form, do we have the right to decide which if any emotions it has? a lot of these questions were addressed in star trek. mr. roddenbury was certainly a visionary, its a shame he's no longer with us to give us his view of the 21st centruy as we're getting to be 14 months away.
i remember hearing 280 million recently from a source that would re reliable but which i can not remember the name of. until hearing that 250 million was the number that i would have used as well.
As soon as they genetically engineer smarter trackballs... dude, ill be there!!!
but seriuosly, wouldnt a smarter mouse be great? for those times when you dont want to take your hands off the keyboard, but your version of netscape wont let you scroll down without the mouse? i would love to just be able to tell the little thing to pull on that scroll bar for me.... hmm, i have a microphone here... and now i have hours of code ahead of me...:)
>What are you doing wrong that you have to reboot >every 10 minutes and reinstall every 4 or 5 months?
(this is too easy)
running windows.
at least that was my experience with it. i could almost count on a reinstall of 98 every month, and if i would have ever been up for that whole month, it would have been a big surprise to me.
it seems to me that everyone is trying to make it way too specific. the number of geeks/nerds that exists (IMHO, at least) is vast, and in such a large population, you will no doubt find people covering a wide spectrum of social skills, religious beliefs, apperances, backgrounds, etc.
to me, the thing that makes someone a geek is the unending and infinitly satisfying search for knowledge. that's what it means to me. i want to know everything that i can about as many different things as i can during my life. in particular, i am interested in computing. (hence i call myself a computer geek) some geeks are in to astrophysics, some are into organic chemistry, and i say taht some are into painting. it doesnt matter what your focus is, but as long as you seek knowledge as your primary goal, you fall into my definition of a geek.
with all that being said, what then is the advantage of a functional language? it would appear to me (in my staggering ignorance) that they are primarily usefull in hiding the programmer from some of the gory details of the programming by making it higher level.
while it is obvious that this speeds up development time, does it really improve execution speed over a well written algorithm? it seems to me that maybe one line of haskell code might be able to do what 10 lines of C code can (maybe even in a loop or recursively), but in order to get the job done, isnt the haskell gonna have to do just as much underneath?
also, (and please flame me if im wrong) but dont i remember being told in a programming class that 1.) anything that can be done recursively can be done iteratively, and 2.) that recursion (while often easier to code) is usually not the most efficent solution. ? im still very confused. can anyone help me on why/how functional programs would be faster? (or maybe im misinterpreting the idea of why they were suggested to be used in this contest)
dont think that im trying to put functional programming down, im still learning what it is. i just want to understand more, and i find these/. discussions an excellent place to learn.
taken from the page about last year's competition:
>Here are some broad statistics for the primary language used by the various teams: > 24 C dialects: C, C++, Cilk > 12 ML variants (SML/NJ, Moscow ML, OCaml, >OLabel) > 3 Scheme > 3 Haskell > 3 Perl > 1 J > 1 Mercury > 1 Icon
looks like there was barely enough perl representation to give it a good chance. but doesnt that also say something about it? perl really isnt designed for tasks like this.
im sure ill be using c, but if i get to the last 2 hours and dont have anythign to submit yet, then ill just write a simple little perl script to get the job done.
also, apparently there were only 48 entries last year. maybe getting some exposure here on/. will up that number this year.
i was so shocked when i saw the huge number of replys to this comment, that i wondered if it might be some kinda record. at the time im posting this, there are about 120 comments in this thread. wow.
obi-wan told vader that if vader struck him down that he would become more powerful than vader could possibly imagine. the fact that he had to explain this to vader makes it seem like it might be a new idea? if vader hunted and killed all the jedi, then wouldnt he already know about the disapperaing thing? 'cause he sure did seem surprised too when obi-wan's body wasnt in his robe.
maybe we're just looking into this much much more than mr. lucas ever intended for anyone to do.
>I wonder who Lucas was aiming the character at 4 >year olds? If so why did have a plot that dealt >with taxation and trade routes, the plot was for >adults while jar Jar for toddlers - it just >doesn't make any sense.
ya, why would he try to make a movie that was enjoyable for kids and adults?
>There were no fart jokes in Episodes 4,5,6 no >one stepped in poo
so just because there was none of it in IV-VI, why cant it be in I-III? besides, do you think youre too good to laugh at a fart joke? there might just be a few people in the world (maybe even some, dare i say, kids) who would find that funny. (gee, i guess it means we dont have brains, eh?) but oh yeah, i forgot, since lucas didnt make this movie to absolutely satisfy you, it obviously sucks, and his mythos is over.
all you people saying how terrible this movie is make me sick. when the media and everybody else builds this event up like its gonna be the second coming of Christ what do you expect when it turns out to actually be just a movie!?! i guess the problem is one that abides everywhere in our society. people are just never satisfied with anything unless it is 100% tailored to suit just them perferctly.
so quitcherbitchin, get over it, loosen up, and have some fun watching a fun movie.
anakin was not lost forever to hate fear and evil. unless you missed return of the jedi, where he turned back to the good side and killed the emperor. "you were right about me luke. tell your sister, you were right..." and then of course we see anakin with yoda and obi-wan (hey george, where was qui-gon in that scene???)
as obi-wan tells luke in jedi: "your father was seduced by the dark side of the force. at that moment he ceased to be anakin skywalker and became darth vader. the good man that your father was was destroyed. so what i said was true, from a certain point of view..." (i hate to misquote obi-wan, but my copy of the trilogy is so far from my chair right now) anyhow, if ben says anakin ain't vader, anakin ain't vader!
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hey guys, you shouldn't be complaining, now all us St. Louis area nerds will have something to do on saturday night!
yes, i agree that the movie was definitly lacking in all of the areas that make a movie good, yet it still had one moment which made it all worthwhile for me. towards the very end, when they were getting ready to leave the white room, but the one guy (can't remember his name... i always take that to be a sign of a bad movie when i cant remember character names) decided to stay behind because of some sort of count down to a launching? well did anyone other than my roommate and me see the large circles and lines on the floor which were very obviously counting in binary??? ya, that made the whole movie for me...
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cant we say the same for OOP ???
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no no no, youve missed the point. the whole idea here is that when children build things with legos they learn invaluable problem sovling and engineering like skills that will be an asset to them their entire lives! building the 'Mega-Castle-Fortress-set-including-the-black-knig ht' is not necessarilly the best activity for developing these skills, but it can help get a child interested in these things which can then lead to them learning so much more.
the same can not be said at all for athletics. of course it's important to exercise and keep the body in shape, and for that reason we have phys. ed. classes. much in the same way one could argue that classes like these should be offered, not necessarily with lego, but some sort of problem solving classes. rather then teaching kids to regurgitate dates from a book, teach them to build their own worlds, use their imaginations, and solve the problems that the world is going to need solved when they become adults.
perhaps schools are not the best place to do this either. parents should at home encourage more intelligent play for their kids, in addition to healthier play (like sports).
okay, im done now
"brain of trout" --...--> "suit"
ya, that all makes sense to me now...
my first computer, back around 1989 was a Tandy 1000 RL. It had ran ms-dos 3.x and had a GUI developed by tanday called either desktop or deskmate. i hadnt thought about it for years now, but this discussion has made me remember it!
so this made me look at the timeline. when did the mac's first start getting gui? and wen did win1.0 come out? any other old tandy users out there?
hey, at least some people respect wookies. you've heard Limp Bizkit's song, havent you?
... "
"I did it all for the wookie! The wookie!
taken from the page:
"Something goes wrong when you and Quentin try to break into the school's computer system, and you are both caught. Your friends get very angry with you and Quentin for looking at their grades. Your school had to pay a lot of money to figure out who had broken into the computer, and to fix it so that it will not happen again. There is now no money left to purchase new sports equipment."
so what is that saying, that its the cracker's fault that your school cant buy more sports gear for all the jocks??? is it just me, or does this seem like nerd discrimination to anyone else???
Ive been reading a lot of horrible predictions lately about an AI that we create that in turn ends up getting very mean and killing all of mankind (the matrix, various other 21st c predictions on /.) Now maybe Im being naive here, but it seems to me that as long as we are careful in programming this AI that there is no way that it would become evil and blood thirsty. If we do not give them the capacity to become angry, or to possess any of the more "negative" emotions that we have, then I can't see them ever becmoing evil.
But I suppose that that whole statement is based on the assumption that these AIs would have emotions, which are what always drive all human conflicts. So what about a life form that had no emotion? Could it be violent and try to kill us all?? The reference I will use is from star trek: the next generation. If we look at Data, we see a AI life form who (initially) had no emotions, and who had failsafe programming to make him fall back on ethics. Then if we look at Data's brother Lore, we see an AI that had emotions and a worse ethics backup, and we see what bad things he did.
But if we are creating something which is really a new life form, do we have the right to decide which if any emotions it has? a lot of these questions were addressed in star trek. mr. roddenbury was certainly a visionary, its a shame he's no longer with us to give us his view of the 21st centruy as we're getting to be 14 months away.
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all i did was use < for the < and use > for the > (id assume thats Less Than and Greater Than)
also, i posted using plain old text
(also, i will assume that despite my preview (which worked properly) that this post still will not work)
i remember hearing 280 million recently from a source that would re reliable but which i can not remember the name of. until hearing that 250 million was the number that i would have used as well.
As soon as they genetically engineer smarter trackballs... dude, ill be there!!!
... hmm, i have a microphone here... :)
but seriuosly, wouldnt a smarter mouse be great? for those times when you dont want to take your hands off the keyboard, but your version of netscape wont let you scroll down without the mouse? i would love to just be able to tell the little thing to pull on that scroll bar for me.
and now i have hours of code ahead of me...
>What are you doing wrong that you have to reboot
>every 10 minutes and reinstall every 4 or 5 months?
(this is too easy)
running windows.
at least that was my experience with it. i could almost count on a reinstall of 98 every month, and if i would have ever been up for that whole month, it would have been a big surprise to me.
it seems to me that everyone is trying to make it way too specific. the number of geeks/nerds that exists (IMHO, at least) is vast, and in such a large population, you will no doubt find people covering a wide spectrum of social skills, religious beliefs, apperances, backgrounds, etc.
to me, the thing that makes someone a geek is the unending and infinitly satisfying search for knowledge. that's what it means to me. i want to know everything that i can about as many different things as i can during my life. in particular, i am interested in computing. (hence i call myself a computer geek) some geeks are in to astrophysics, some are into organic chemistry, and i say taht some are into painting. it doesnt matter what your focus is, but as long as you seek knowledge as your primary goal, you fall into my definition of a geek.
with all that being said, what then is the advantage of a functional language? it would appear to me (in my staggering ignorance) that they are primarily usefull in hiding the programmer from some of the gory details of the programming by making it higher level.
/. discussions an excellent place to learn.
while it is obvious that this speeds up development time, does it really improve execution speed over a well written algorithm? it seems to me that maybe one line of haskell code might be able to do what 10 lines of C code can (maybe even in a loop or recursively), but in order to get the job done, isnt the haskell gonna have to do just as much underneath?
also, (and please flame me if im wrong) but dont i remember being told in a programming class that 1.) anything that can be done recursively can be done iteratively, and 2.) that recursion (while often easier to code) is usually not the most efficent solution. ? im still very confused. can anyone help me on why/how functional programs would be faster? (or maybe im misinterpreting the idea of why they were suggested to be used in this contest)
dont think that im trying to put functional programming down, im still learning what it is. i just want to understand more, and i find these
taken from the page about last year's competition:
/. will up that number this year.
>Here are some broad statistics for the primary language used by the various teams:
> 24 C dialects: C, C++, Cilk
> 12 ML variants (SML/NJ, Moscow ML, OCaml, >OLabel)
> 3 Scheme
> 3 Haskell
> 3 Perl
> 1 J
> 1 Mercury
> 1 Icon
looks like there was barely enough perl representation to give it a good chance. but doesnt that also say something about it? perl really isnt designed for tasks like this.
im sure ill be using c, but if i get to the last 2 hours and dont have anythign to submit yet, then ill just write a simple little perl script to get the job done.
also, apparently there were only 48 entries last year. maybe getting some exposure here on
i was so shocked when i saw the huge number of replys to this comment, that i wondered if it might be some kinda record. at the time im posting this, there are about 120 comments in this thread. wow.
thats all, im done now.
the next thing that it needs is to play the theme music using the system bell.
obi-wan told vader that if vader struck him down that he would become more powerful than vader could possibly imagine. the fact that he had to explain this to vader makes it seem like it might be a new idea? if vader hunted and killed all the jedi, then wouldnt he already know about the disapperaing thing? 'cause he sure did seem surprised too when obi-wan's body wasnt in his robe.
maybe we're just looking into this much much more than mr. lucas ever intended for anyone to do.
just some things to ponder.
>I wonder who Lucas was aiming the character at 4
>year olds? If so why did have a plot that dealt
>with taxation and trade routes, the plot was for
>adults while jar Jar for toddlers - it just
>doesn't make any sense.
ya, why would he try to make a movie that was enjoyable for kids and adults?
>There were no fart jokes in Episodes 4,5,6 no
>one stepped in poo
so just because there was none of it in IV-VI, why cant it be in I-III? besides, do you think youre too good to laugh at a fart joke? there might just be a few people in the world (maybe even some, dare i say, kids) who would find that funny. (gee, i guess it means we dont have brains, eh?) but oh yeah, i forgot, since lucas didnt make this movie to absolutely satisfy you, it obviously sucks, and his mythos is over.
all you people saying how terrible this movie is make me sick. when the media and everybody else builds this event up like its gonna be the second coming of Christ what do you expect when it turns out to actually be just a movie!?! i guess the problem is one that abides everywhere in our society. people are just never satisfied with anything unless it is 100% tailored to suit just them perferctly.
so quitcherbitchin, get over it, loosen up, and have some fun watching a fun movie.
>I don't know where [Simpson] got the idea the rules don't apply to him...
Maybe when he got away with a double homicide???
Come on over to the USA, watch it here, fly back home.
didnt you keep watching jedi after that scene? remember anakin standing with obi-wan and yoda? fuck.
anakin was not lost forever to hate fear and evil. unless you missed return of the jedi, where he turned back to the good side and killed the emperor.
"you were right about me luke. tell your sister, you were right..."
and then of course we see anakin with yoda and obi-wan (hey george, where was qui-gon in that scene???)
as obi-wan tells luke in jedi:
"your father was seduced by the dark side of the force. at that moment he ceased to be anakin skywalker and became darth vader. the good man that your father was was destroyed. so what i said was true, from a certain point of view..."
(i hate to misquote obi-wan, but my copy of the trilogy is so far from my chair right now)
anyhow, if ben says anakin ain't vader, anakin ain't vader!