Yes, it's in Brazil. WTO also supported brazilian government decision. But the patent owner agreed to reduce drastacally the roalyites. Now it's cheapper to buy from patent owner then manufacture it ourselves.
I'm sure this will save a lots of lifes around the world.
I'm sorry to say that. I'd like to be sure that the culture and the science will win this big crap that the money-guys are trying to do. But while DMCA exists I can't believe that it will happen.
I'm sorry, but ACM will loose. RIAA has much more money than ACM, and they can buy the law they want. I won't be scared if next month we have a new law: RAACME: RIAA Against ACM Existence
That's the way it is. If you have enough money you can do whatever you want.
I tried once ReiserFS with Mandrake 7.1. That was great and I really felt faster.:o)
But a month later when I tried to recompile my kernel I had a terrible surprise. As ReiserFS wasn't officially supported by the 2.2.x kernels I couldn't make it boot. So I had to draw back. (a month later I installed Slackware 7.1)
Well, I was a newbie then. But this bad expierence with new filesystems make me think twice before install something other than ext2, or any not-officially supported filesystem.
All we need is scale production. The more they sell the service the cheppear it becomes. But like Iridium it is a snowball down the hill.
A global communication system is too expensive, so you need to charge really expensive, but if the service is too expensive only few people will buy it, and if only few people buy it it have to be more expensive, so they can recover their investiments, and than being so expensive nobody...
Maybe if there's a company crazy enough to heavily invest in cheap global access things will begin to roll to the right side.
WTO have already agreed with this politics not only in Brasil, but also in Africa. The problem is that Africans countries have no financial resources to build factories, but if they raise the money they also can break the patent.
WTO agreed with this because here in Brasil drugs AIDS are distributed for free (as beer) by the government, with no costs for carent families.
Brasil (yes, I prefer with the 's') will also export cheaper AIDS drugs to Africa and other poor countries.
I was talking about assembly programing, not about machine codering. That's too different. Besides C/C++/JVM compiles to MachineCode, or OpCodes whatever, not to assembly. That's just a matter of naming. The point is that I'm happy we agree in general.;o)
While java can be wonderful for database access, where the most time consuming is the access it self. It sux when used as a processing language. Imagine Java decoding mp3? Or event DVD, I dunno!
The same happens to VB, or C# or other script languages like perl or python. Nothing can be better then a plain, compiled, functinal, not OO language to be used in preformance-critical applications. And to this kind of thing C is the BEST (ok, assembly might be faster, but ít's also too limited)
IMHO it's easier to have Kylix as #1 programing plataform, then having Java. VB is a complete succes due to it's development speed, and now a days Kylix have brought this to *nix plataform.
Let's think a little bit more before saying things.
Oh, I forgot, I really like to be corrected when I'm wrong. And if I'm not, I also like to know others opinion. (thanks)
I've just saw some users that once saw Banjo. I think that their comments shall be really good rated, something like Rare or Amazing!!! ( please, note the exclamation marks)
To those who have problems with wondering:
Aproved. Very good although still slow(Score 5: Amazing!!!)
by killeruser (killer@user dot net) on Thu August 16, 13:21 EDT (#5)
Very good site. I had some minor problems, but it's good. Didn't notice lots of differences, but I loved SpaceGhost. Can anybody tell me what's different?
Here in Brazil the default is Manual Transmitons, and it's getting hard to find new cars without it. Probably cultural, but most people here preffer manual transmission, most people preffer to have control over the machine.
Although, some have semi-automatic transmission, we still prefer the other.
(...)Outside the US, where speech is not so free, governments(...)
I know that/. is basically US-centric, and that we foreings are just foreings. But if you say something like this it sounds like you are including all other countries, and this is not good (as well it's not true). And to tell the truth, I always see things like this in/.
I prefer to believe that you didn't mean that, and I'd like to hear that for you americans I am misunderstanding the whole thing. But, please, this phrase sounds very offensive to me, and I'm sure it sound offensive for every non-americans.
The point is, here we have full free-speech, of course that we need to respect children and ladies, and the good manners, but we can basically speak whatever we want. Of course everbody also have the right to dislike it (it sounds pretty like US and many other countries)
But we don't have DMCA or Napster-like process. But we also have problems with big corporations trying to change the laws in a way that they can make more and more profit.
IMHO, world is not ruled by people and/or presidents. World is ruled by money, wherever you go, monarchy or not, democratic or not, with or without free-speech, the money will rule the world.
Sad but TRUE
offtopic: have anybody put this kind of poll? something like: "Where are you from?"
Yes, my friends, fight against each other. If you don't agree the way a project is running, leave the project and make another one by your self!
That's the spirit of Variety. That what keep our Freedom of Choices. I like to choose Window Maker, and I also like that my pal prefers Gnome. That's the variety that I love to see!
Imagine a world where there are no differences, where all window managers look the same! This sux! I prefer to see a good fight, I prefer to see people getting out of a project and building their own. But I'm sad about that horrible happening about baning (too sad...)
Of course, freedom is hard to manage. Ditatorial government are much easier than a real democracy. Be fair is much more difficult, look all around is much more difficult, but IMHO is much much much better!
Let's fight and build several.NET projects. Can I see a third project in the horizon? Maybe I'm right, maybe it's just a dream, maybe everybody fits into dotGNU and Mono. That's ok too, the point is, we still have a choice!
IMHO us are trying to show what happens to whom breaks the rules. I think they will let him arrested and show that everybody whose brake into DMCA will be arrested to.
I made a presetation at the O'Reilly Open Source conference on the
Mono project, shortly after David Stutz talked about the Shared Source
implementation of the ECMA C# and CLI that they will be releasing.
Interesting things from David's talk:
* The terms of that shared source license are still not ready,
and will likely be different than those from Windows CE.
* They expect to have something by the middle of next year.
* He confirmed that it will just be the core of the system,
and will contain a JIT.
He made my life easier by explaining to the audience what the CLI
was, which was helpful as I did not have to go into too much detail on
the remaining time.
We had a good talk about the CLI afterwards.
The slides for my talk are available on the Mono site (I believe I
already sent a mail about this) but in case I didn't, just go to http://www.go-mono.com, and you will find the link to the talk
slides.
There were some good questions, like how we will avoid patents if
there are any on the ECMA specification. Our answer is that we will
stick to use old technologies: things that have been documented or
written about in the past in the various areas where the CLI and C#
matter: intermediate languages, standards for type systems,
traditional optimization, garbage collection in the ways that Java has
done for multi-threaded operation, traditional compiler instruction
selection.
For those cases where we incur in a speed penalty, we will research
alternative ways to implement things to not infringe on their
patents. This is particularly useful for those of you who are
studying and need to write a thesis, as we have a research project you
can work on.
I also got a chance to talk face to face to Sam, and we discussed a
bit about possible ways of improving the runtime. One thing that came
to mind is that it would be possible for someone to work on a number
of projects: retargetting an existing Java compiler (I am familiar
with Guavac, and seems good enough) to generate CIL instead of JVM
byte codes.
I am now flying to Ottawa for the Linux Symposium. I will try to
make releases of the runtime, the class libraries and the compiler
on Sunday or Monday when I get back to Boston.
Slashdot Mirror
Yes, it's in Brazil. WTO also supported brazilian government decision. But the patent owner agreed to reduce drastacally the roalyites. Now it's cheapper to buy from patent owner then manufacture it ourselves.
I'm sure this will save a lots of lifes around the world.
How do you feel fighting for such good ideas like the patent restrictions in AIDS medication, and been a lobbyist?
Wouldn't be a better idea fight against lobbyist for a more democratic government?
The old gabinets, I put them side by side, so my room appears like the main data center of a huge internet corporation.
That's GREAT!
I'm sorry to say that. I'd like to be sure that the culture and the science will win this big crap that the money-guys are trying to do. But while DMCA exists I can't believe that it will happen.
Again, sad, but true
I'm sorry, but ACM will loose. RIAA has much more money than ACM, and they can buy the law they want. I won't be scared if next month we have a new law:
RAACME: RIAA Against ACM Existence
That's the way it is. If you have enough money you can do whatever you want.
Sorry, but I have to say this again. Sad but true
Oh, I forgot to mention. I turned Slackware a year ago. :o)
I tried once ReiserFS with Mandrake 7.1. That was great and I really felt faster. :o)
But a month later when I tried to recompile my kernel I had a terrible surprise. As ReiserFS wasn't officially supported by the 2.2.x kernels I couldn't make it boot. So I had to draw back. (a month later I installed Slackware 7.1)
Well, I was a newbie then. But this bad expierence with new filesystems make me think twice before install something other than ext2, or any not-officially supported filesystem.
All we need is scale production. The more they sell the service the cheppear it becomes. But like Iridium it is a snowball down the hill.
A global communication system is too expensive, so you need to charge really expensive, but if the service is too expensive only few people will buy it, and if only few people buy it it have to be more expensive, so they can recover their investiments, and than being so expensive nobody...
Maybe if there's a company crazy enough to heavily invest in cheap global access things will begin to roll to the right side.
So, where are back to witches-hunting?
Let's get back to ye-old-5"1/4 floppy disks. Or even better, 8" floppy disks. It's impossible to put a mp3 into it!
By the way, why don't they sue mp3 players manufacters? Are they too big to a fight?
"Hey, you, RIAA! Why don't you mess with somebody the same size as you? :o/
Or event better: "Are you afraid of what?"
Where are the 5 ye-old-internet-revolutionaries boys that started Excite in a garage?
I'm really sorry about all this news!
WTO have already agreed with this politics not only in Brasil, but also in Africa. The problem is that Africans countries have no financial resources to build factories, but if they raise the money they also can break the patent.
WTO agreed with this because here in Brasil drugs AIDS are distributed for free (as beer) by the government, with no costs for carent families.
Brasil (yes, I prefer with the 's') will also export cheaper AIDS drugs to Africa and other poor countries.
Hope this help to end all the pain...
I was talking about assembly programing, not about machine codering. That's too different. Besides C/C++/JVM compiles to MachineCode, or OpCodes whatever, not to assembly. That's just a matter of naming. The point is that I'm happy we agree in general. ;o)
While java can be wonderful for database access, where the most time consuming is the access it self. It sux when used as a processing language. Imagine Java decoding mp3? Or event DVD, I dunno!
The same happens to VB, or C# or other script languages like perl or python. Nothing can be better then a plain, compiled, functinal, not OO language to be used in preformance-critical applications. And to this kind of thing C is the BEST (ok, assembly might be faster, but ít's also too limited)
IMHO it's easier to have Kylix as #1 programing plataform, then having Java. VB is a complete succes due to it's development speed, and now a days Kylix have brought this to *nix plataform.
Let's think a little bit more before saying things.
Oh, I forgot, I really like to be corrected when I'm wrong. And if I'm not, I also like to know others opinion. (thanks)
I've just saw some users that once saw Banjo. I think that their comments shall be really good rated, something like Rare or Amazing!!! ( please, note the exclamation marks)
To those who have problems with wondering:
Aproved. Very good although still slow(Score 5: Amazing!!!)
by killeruser (killer@user dot net) on Thu August 16, 13:21 EDT (#5)
Very good site. I had some minor problems, but it's good. Didn't notice lots of differences, but I loved SpaceGhost. Can anybody tell me what's different?
----- no sig
Here in Brazil the default is Manual Transmitons, and it's getting hard to find new cars without it. Probably cultural, but most people here preffer manual transmission, most people preffer to have control over the machine.
Although, some have semi-automatic transmission, we still prefer the other.
(...)Outside the US, where speech is not so free, governments(...)
I know that /. is basically US-centric, and that we foreings are just foreings. But if you say something like this it sounds like you are including all other countries, and this is not good (as well it's not true). And to tell the truth, I always see things like this in /.
I prefer to believe that you didn't mean that, and I'd like to hear that for you americans I am misunderstanding the whole thing. But, please, this phrase sounds very offensive to me, and I'm sure it sound offensive for every non-americans.
The point is, here we have full free-speech, of course that we need to respect children and ladies, and the good manners, but we can basically speak whatever we want. Of course everbody also have the right to dislike it (it sounds pretty like US and many other countries)
But we don't have DMCA or Napster-like process. But we also have problems with big corporations trying to change the laws in a way that they can make more and more profit.
IMHO, world is not ruled by people and/or presidents. World is ruled by money, wherever you go, monarchy or not, democratic or not, with or without free-speech, the money will rule the world.
Sad but TRUE
offtopic: have anybody put this kind of poll? something like: "Where are you from?"
Yes, my friends, fight against each other. If you don't agree the way a project is running, leave the project and make another one by your self!
That's the spirit of Variety. That what keep our Freedom of Choices. I like to choose Window Maker, and I also like that my pal prefers Gnome. That's the variety that I love to see!
Imagine a world where there are no differences, where all window managers look the same! This sux! I prefer to see a good fight, I prefer to see people getting out of a project and building their own. But I'm sad about that horrible happening about baning (too sad...)
Of course, freedom is hard to manage. Ditatorial government are much easier than a real democracy. Be fair is much more difficult, look all around is much more difficult, but IMHO is much much much better!
Let's fight and build several .NET projects. Can I see a third project in the horizon? Maybe I'm right, maybe it's just a dream, maybe everybody fits into dotGNU and Mono. That's ok too, the point is, we still have a choice!
FREEEEEEDOOOMM!!!
Try to make him fit into this: Freshmeat's Egoless Admin
It's probably not only a nice way to admin, but a also a nice way of living...
Think about it!
Let's do in a different manner.
<interviewer> It's a program to view contents of TCP packets on the network?
<candidate> "What is tcpdump?"
It would be much more funny... (maybe the candidate can then go to the big final, and win 1 million)
Don't worry, I'm too addicted [to|every]day
Maybe then we can do a moto-continuum software!!!
Gee, don't worry, I'm too [un]?funny[to|every]day
I wonder how can I watch Clio Awards? Or Cannes Golden Lion...
And money still rules the world!
Don't worry. I'm too busy [to}every]day
Be Legal, use Free-Software
Note: in portuguese Legal means Legal and cool.
Don't worry, I run linux EVERYday.
IMHO us are trying to show what happens to whom breaks the rules. I think they will let him arrested and show that everybody whose brake into DMCA will be arrested to.
Too bad :o(
Don't worry, I'm not american...
Miguel Icaza have just post this at mono-list:
Hello guys!
I made a presetation at the O'Reilly Open Source conference on the Mono project, shortly after David Stutz talked about the Shared Source implementation of the ECMA C# and CLI that they will be releasing.
Interesting things from David's talk:
* The terms of that shared source license are still not ready, and will likely be different than those from Windows CE.
* They expect to have something by the middle of next year.
* He confirmed that it will just be the core of the system, and will contain a JIT.
He made my life easier by explaining to the audience what the CLI was, which was helpful as I did not have to go into too much detail on the remaining time.
We had a good talk about the CLI afterwards.
The slides for my talk are available on the Mono site (I believe I already sent a mail about this) but in case I didn't, just go to http://www.go-mono.com, and you will find the link to the talk slides.
There were some good questions, like how we will avoid patents if there are any on the ECMA specification. Our answer is that we will stick to use old technologies: things that have been documented or written about in the past in the various areas where the CLI and C# matter: intermediate languages, standards for type systems, traditional optimization, garbage collection in the ways that Java has done for multi-threaded operation, traditional compiler instruction selection.
For those cases where we incur in a speed penalty, we will research alternative ways to implement things to not infringe on their patents. This is particularly useful for those of you who are studying and need to write a thesis, as we have a research project you can work on.
I also got a chance to talk face to face to Sam, and we discussed a bit about possible ways of improving the runtime. One thing that came to mind is that it would be possible for someone to work on a number of projects: retargetting an existing Java compiler (I am familiar with Guavac, and seems good enough) to generate CIL instead of JVM byte codes.
I am now flying to Ottawa for the Linux Symposium. I will try to make releases of the runtime, the class libraries and the compiler on Sunday or Monday when I get back to Boston.
Best wishes,
Miguel.
useful links
Sorry for such a big submit.