This is a story about women who are afraid to work the fields because monkeys point at the womens breasts and make "sexually explicit gestures" which nobody can confirm, but one women says.
If you can be mentally beaten by a bunch of monkeys and claim you are afraid of sexual harassment from the monkeys...you are too stupid to use oxygen and should stop.
It sounds like these monkeys are more intelligent than the people.
[singsong] one of these 150,000 things is not like the others.. while they both would kill goats if they had their 'drothers... one of these is different, can't you see... without a cell wall it should be easy... [/singsong]
I'd like to take this portion of the post to apologize...
But lets be honest, the waiver simply said they could pollute up to the limit permitted by law. Polluting is usually bad, but in the amounts we're talking about for the BP plant, it would be like pissing in the ocean to make it salty. It waived them from state requirements and allowed them to pollute to federal standards. The Great Lakes are (supposed to be) protected further by state law and agreement between the common states and portions of Canada.
It doesn't make sense to dump mercury and other heavy metals in concentration into the largest freshwater system in the world. Even if you don't destroy the lakes as a whole, the local shoreline and local water impact is pretty dang significant.
The poster made mention of the recent story on slashdot in which he said people were griping about BP cracking Canadian oil. That is an inaccurate description of the relevant discussion and so I pointed that out.
People were just decrying the permits issued to BP for a plant to crack Canadian oil. Actually that wasn't what people were upset about. People were upset that the state of Indiana gave BP a waiver to dump extra amounts of ammonia and heavy metal sludge into Lake Michigan.
So... when do you think Nestle will sue BP? Right about when they start to care about the quality of the product they are diverting away from the lakes?
They care only about gallons per hour and how much it costs to produce more bottles. Nothing else.
Some people, like the people who made this deal, aren't "red staters" or "blue staters"
No that isn't accurate. Conservative lawmakers in Indiana are definitely "red staters" and in fact they really define what it means to be in a red state. "Red state" means that the politics tends to be conservative and the Republicans are in power, which is exactly what you have in Indiana. The "red state" / "blue state" arguments sound trite, but there is some truth to it. I know what "red state" means, however as I stated before, it doesn't matter whether someone is a "red stater" or a "blue stater" someone who would broker this type of deal is a bastard not interested in either red or blue ideals and they exist in BOTH major parties (yes the Dems have as bad if not worse of a record as the R's in this area). Not just the republicans, not just the democrats, but BOTH major parties.
There is "some truth" to it, that is how stereotypes are based, invented and acted upon. There is "some truth" to it. Not enough to matter, but my brother knows a guy who's dad is a friend with a girl who works with a jerk who has a cousin who displays certain properties. Therefore, it is TRUE.
I dunno about that. In the city, I've never seen a rusting Chevy left to rot and leak oil in the yard for a decade. In the city, I've never seen people burning their own garbage out behind the shed, permits or not. In the city, I've never seen a barn that is just left to rot and collapse for a few winters, leaving a fire hazard that's filled with tetanus-risky nails and whatever else was in there.
I understand what you're saying, and the city definitely has its own issues that aren't ideal, but saying that the folks in the countryside are all pure and proactive about saving the environment is not realistic. Those would be interesting points, except you are misinterpreting what I said. I said it was an unfair characterization of "red state people" that all they care about is Jesus, nascar, and guns and that they don't care for the environment at all. I didn't say that all country folk are awesome stewards of the land.
BTW, if you haven't seen "city folks" burning garbage for warmth, or because it is cheaper than paying for pickup, you must have a REALLY narrow view. You haven't seen houses or old industrial buildings that are sit to rot and collapse in cities? Where do you live, fairyland? Every major city has these problems.
I submit that morons and short-sighted idiots exist in both the countryside and in the cities, but living in a city and voting liberal because some Dem convinced you that he "really cares about you" or that "you are smarter than those country folks, cause I'm progressive!!!" or your union told you to doesn't make you a person who cares about the environment at all.
I'm sure that the neighboring states will have something to say about this. Sadly MI won't have much impact, you know...that state SURROUNDED by the lakes? Due to our inept and self-serving "leadership" of Jenny Granholm. The same Gov who also lied about wanting to protect the lakes and then wrote Nestle a free pass to yoink a ridiculous amount of water out of the lakes and divert it to wherever they want.
I don't know much about the gov of IN, but it sounds as if he/she is just as self-serving.
You must be new here. Logic and truth has no place here. The only posts that are god are those blasting the "I Hate George Bush" message. *Checks his own UID* Nope, been here for a bit, but I understand why your sarcastic joke is phrased that way.
There are intelligent people here. They are just swarmed under.
Ammonia is used as an industrial precursor. For instance it's used to make fertilizer. Why dump it in Lake Michigan rather than purifying and selling it? It is most likely cheaper.
You make an excellent point however, turning it into a marketable product or at least partnering with someone who will would cost them a bit more than dumping, but make more sense from an environmental standpoint.
Despite BP marketing and rebranding as a "green" company this shows all they are interested in. I understand companies are in business to make money, but don't lie to us telling me you care about the environment and then slap us in the face like this.
this is a red state people, they care about money, jesus, nascar and guns here; That is a pretty unfair assessment of "red state people". I think you will find that many, many "red state people" are more avid supporters of protections for the environment than many "blue state people" who generally reside in cities. Most of the "red state people" hunt, fish and enjoy spending time in the outdoors and don't want to see it sludged and destroyed.
Some people, like the people who made this deal, aren't "red staters" or "blue staters" they are bastards looking out not for the people or the country or anyone else but themselves. That is who they care about.
We already can eat only a limited amount of fish that come from the Great Lakes, how about we just dump more heavy metals into the lakes. Garg.
It is very frustrating that the federal government refuses to do things to protect the Great Lakes. Heck, they even refuse to stop ships from wherever from coming in and dumping bilge water contaminated with all sorts of invasive species into the lakes. These resources must be protected.
Look at what invasive species such as the emerald ash borer have done to MI and other surrounding states. When we people learn?
I check out Gimp, PaintshopPro or whatever about once a year to see how the most recent versions compare. They. Just. Don't. Not for real work, unless your time isn't worth anything.
Much of your post makes sense, but this sentence doesn't. It seems that you are inferring that the only thing that wouldn't waste your time is if it worked exactly like Photoshop so you wouldn't have to relearn anything.
I work in GIMP a lot. Trying to do anything in photoshop seems like a waste of time to me because I have to do things differently and not how I'm used to.
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This is a story about women who are afraid to work the fields because monkeys point at the womens breasts and make "sexually explicit gestures" which nobody can confirm, but one women says.
If you can be mentally beaten by a bunch of monkeys and claim you are afraid of sexual harassment from the monkeys...you are too stupid to use oxygen and should stop.
It sounds like these monkeys are more intelligent than the people.
[singsong]
one of these 150,000 things is not like the others..
while they both would kill goats if they had their 'drothers...
one of these is different, can't you see...
without a cell wall it should be easy...
[/singsong]
I'd like to take this portion of the post to apologize...
I'd rather just check the carpet and I'll let you know.
Khasim, you have been sponsored
Have a nice day.
Didn't we decide this was a bad idea when MS did it? They might not have done it as completely as pyro, but that just sounds like a bad idea.
I can't of course RTFA at the moment due to the flames rolling out of the webserver it is on.
Baikal: Water volume 23,600 km (5,521 mi)
Tanganyika: Water volume 18,900 km
Great Lakes: 22,812 km
So, Tanganyika is not larger, and the Baikal is really too close to call as these numbers are just estimaes.
Nice try though.
I'm sure it would be an injection in order to work. That isn't going to help me get over my fear of needles.
It doesn't make sense to dump mercury and other heavy metals in concentration into the largest freshwater system in the world. Even if you don't destroy the lakes as a whole, the local shoreline and local water impact is pretty dang significant.
Of course I realize that.
The poster made mention of the recent story on slashdot in which he said people were griping about BP cracking Canadian oil. That is an inaccurate description of the relevant discussion and so I pointed that out.
They care only about gallons per hour and how much it costs to produce more bottles. Nothing else.
There is "some truth" to it, that is how stereotypes are based, invented and acted upon. There is "some truth" to it. Not enough to matter, but my brother knows a guy who's dad is a friend with a girl who works with a jerk who has a cousin who displays certain properties. Therefore, it is TRUE.
I understand what you're saying, and the city definitely has its own issues that aren't ideal, but saying that the folks in the countryside are all pure and proactive about saving the environment is not realistic. Those would be interesting points, except you are misinterpreting what I said. I said it was an unfair characterization of "red state people" that all they care about is Jesus, nascar, and guns and that they don't care for the environment at all. I didn't say that all country folk are awesome stewards of the land.
BTW, if you haven't seen "city folks" burning garbage for warmth, or because it is cheaper than paying for pickup, you must have a REALLY narrow view. You haven't seen houses or old industrial buildings that are sit to rot and collapse in cities? Where do you live, fairyland? Every major city has these problems.
I submit that morons and short-sighted idiots exist in both the countryside and in the cities, but living in a city and voting liberal because some Dem convinced you that he "really cares about you" or that "you are smarter than those country folks, cause I'm progressive!!!" or your union told you to doesn't make you a person who cares about the environment at all.
Yes. I do mean like the Zebra mussle.
-Andrew
I don't know much about the gov of IN, but it sounds as if he/she is just as self-serving.
There are intelligent people here. They are just swarmed under.
You make an excellent point however, turning it into a marketable product or at least partnering with someone who will would cost them a bit more than dumping, but make more sense from an environmental standpoint.
Despite BP marketing and rebranding as a "green" company this shows all they are interested in. I understand companies are in business to make money, but don't lie to us telling me you care about the environment and then slap us in the face like this.
Some people, like the people who made this deal, aren't "red staters" or "blue staters" they are bastards looking out not for the people or the country or anyone else but themselves. That is who they care about.
Too much ammonia causes algae blooms which kill.
If you noticed also, sludge containing heavy metals will also be dumped. mmm....mercury
We already can eat only a limited amount of fish that come from the Great Lakes, how about we just dump more heavy metals into the lakes. Garg.
It is very frustrating that the federal government refuses to do things to protect the Great Lakes. Heck, they even refuse to stop ships from wherever from coming in and dumping bilge water contaminated with all sorts of invasive species into the lakes. These resources must be protected.
Look at what invasive species such as the emerald ash borer have done to MI and other surrounding states. When we people learn?
-Andrew
Either that or you just had a bad acid trip.
Hippie.
once again they are flooding the p2p networks with garbage in order to try and destroy it.
Does it really do it though? I'm not saying that it doesn't, but past experience would not lead me to trust that it would work as advertised.
I check out Gimp, PaintshopPro or whatever about once a year to see how the most recent versions compare. They. Just. Don't. Not for real work, unless your time isn't worth anything.
Much of your post makes sense, but this sentence doesn't. It seems that you are inferring that the only thing that wouldn't waste your time is if it worked exactly like Photoshop so you wouldn't have to relearn anything.
I work in GIMP a lot. Trying to do anything in photoshop seems like a waste of time to me because I have to do things differently and not how I'm used to.
Yes, I sure do. I didn't make the connection that he was using ppc.
Thanks for pointing it out without being a dink.
Oh...wait....