It's not that MS won. It's that they were slimy, unethical and immoral in doing so. You apparently think all business people (well maybe the business people who win) are also slimy, unethical and immoral but I don't. I do think it's possible to be an ethical person and run a successful business.
I know what it is you moron. Here were my points which you obviously missed altogether so I'll dumb them down for ya.
1) It's not a immutable law of nature. It's just a cute saying without any basis in mathematics, statistics, or science.
2) There are no "two competing theories which make exactly the same prediction" in fact there are no predictions being made at all. The airhead who posted the original post tried to use occams razor as some sort of a proof that the the number of bugs were going up.
3)Life is complex and relying cute sayings and looking for the simplest answer is a surefire way to arrive at the wrong answer.
TO blindly state that the number of bugs are increasing because "occam's razor says so" is just stupid. Why not go do some statistical analysis. Go see how many of the bugs are dups or feature requests or occur only on exotic platforms. Why not interview some mozilla developers or project managers. Why not look at the severity of the bugs.
None not out intrepid slashdot poster. He has no time for actual thinking. Occams razor says mozilla is full of bugs and who are we to argue with the razor.
Well then I'd like to meet this Occam's razor. Did he/she/it do statistical analysis to see if bug counts are increasing, did it actually read through any bugs, did it ask the mozilla team if lots of duplicate bugs were being submitted.
You seem to have an awful lot of faith in this Occam's razor maybe you can explain to us why this is some sort of a irrefutable authority and a flawless analyzer of complex code.
I guess this says it all. Not only are the people doing the chattering wasting time but they are also distracting others from working.
The remedy should not be "The person who is being distracted can waste some more time downloading software, installing it, finding music ont he net, and then wasting bandwidth to stream to his ears". It should be "I hear a lot of chatter out here which means you guys don't have enough to do expect more work and tighter deadlines starting tommorow".
BTW it's one thing to hand a dilbert cartoon or to modify the background it's another to install some app which breaks your computer, consumes a ton of storage, or sucks bandwidth.
Why is it that the world owes you great and free software. If you want to buy it then by all means write the check and get yourself sourcesafe or starteam or whatever. If you want it for free then get off your ass and do some work. If you can't code (well why are interested in source control anyways then?) then go write some documentation. All these projects could use a hand in some form or another.
If you are willing to do neither then shut the fuck up we have better things to do then to listen you bitch and moan.
Instead of asking other people "In the meantime, are there any robust and free alternatives to cvs?" why don't you take some time and help out the CVS or the subversion projects? I am sure they would be grateful for any contributions you may want to make. That's how open source works you know.
Let them bitch. If they bitch too loudly fire them and hire new people who will actually work instead of bitching. People will bitch no matter what it's your job to make the company run not cave in to the demands of the clueless lusers. They have a job to do and so do you.
If you catch employees running winamp and wasting their time fiddling with their kids pictures then you ought to have a talk with them about working when they are work. If your employees are futzing around all day instead of working that's all the more reason to lock down their workstations and make sure only work apps are running.
I certainly wouldn't use postgresql on windows (although I might if I bought it from great bridge). If you want a windows DB that open source, proven, stable, mature, reliable, fast, supports stored procedures, triggers, and has fantastic GUI tools may I recomend interbase. It does not have loadable stored procedures but does support domains and column level localization. Also consider SAPdb which is a very robust server from SAP the giant ERP company. They open sourced it a while ago.
" if they put hooks into a generic MySQL facility which allows *any* programming language to serve as a SP language in the server. Why can't I use Python?"
Postgresql does this. You can use python, perl, TCL, and PL/PGSQL.
They are debating loading up Java but there seems to be some resistance from the hackers.
All MS operating systems are stable fresh out of the box. 6 months to a year later when you have installed and uninstalled apps and when you have upgraded your IE or MDAC things start to go haywire.
Even 2K is starting to flake out on me already I think that SOAP toolkit 2.0 really messed it up good. Time to wipe the hard drive and re-install it I guess. Didn't even last a year *sigh*
As long as MS is free to sling bullshit about Linux, as long as MS is willing to demonize open source developers, as long as MS is willing to "educate legislators about open source software", as long as Steve Ballmer and company are willing to call us communists and un-americans I say keep it up. Turning the other cheek when the richest, most powerful, the most unethical company on the face of the planet smacks you may be christian but it sure will not stop MS from slapping your other cheek.
As long as MS attacks us we should fight back with all we have. Either that or kiss your ass goodbye. MS doesn't fuck around.
They can already go to canada and mexico where drugs are vastly cheaper. The american suckers (I mean consumers) pretty much pay twice. Once when vast amounts of tax payers mones goes to R&D and then again when they subsidize the lower cost of drugs in other countries.
The govt already pays for the great majority of the R&D in the drug industry. The drug companies pay to jump through the hoops of regulations but the govt pays for research and a bulk of testing too. Despite this though dangerous drugs still get approved only to be yanked off the shelves when people die.
"MicroSoft doesn't have the military, ATF, FBI, CIA, NSA"
They don't need it. The govt is perfectly willing to use all of it's might to enforce the wishes of MS. If the govt would refuse to enforce the property rights of MS you can bet your ass MS would raise an army of "enforcement agents" to track your ass down and make you pay.
Wow I am continaally amazed at the complete lack of brains by the republicans in this country. No wonder Dubya is president. Ok Mr "I got less brains then two dead flies" listen up.
I never said guns were bad I said republicans shoot abortion doctors (yes those people who shoot abortion doctors are republicans). Do you see the difference there? If not ask me again I will repeat myself. Actually just go back re-read (you do read don't you?).
I never said the US is el diablo. I never used and spanish phrasing at all. I said the US is a hostile country a fact easily checked by watching tv, listening to radio, reading slashdot, or checking murder statistics.
"I suppose though, that it will keep up until we bail your pansy asses out of another"
Hey I get it, you actually thought that I was from another country! Cool for a minute there I thought you were going to bail Arizona's ass out of another war.
"Have you really listened to enough Republican talk show hosts to find the average? More importantly, have you ever listened to some of the liberal talk show hosts?"
Liberal talk show hosts? Wow I must have missed those. I must live in a small radio market cos there are no such animals where I live.
You are not seriously suggesting that a shrik wrap license that was most likely never read, never signed, never really agreed to is an actually valid enforcable contract are you?
Even if you were I would simply say "I bought a CD from a guy on the street and it had this software on it so I installed it. I never agreed to a contract".
How can anybody hold you to a contract if they have no way of proving that you agreed to it? The worse they can do is to make you erase the software in which case that same "guy on the street" will let you borrow the CD again or re sell it to you.
Not having read the article this phrase strikes me as being pretty funny. The word cheat assumes that somehow some rule was agreed upon by all parties involved. My guess is that the so-called cheater has never agreed to play that game.
"One more thing...I'm not calling him a communist. I am saying his ideals fall in line with a communist world view."
Yea whatever maybe Clinton could get away with this kind of semantic games but I don't buy it.
You accused him of being a communist no matter how you try and backtrack from that it's true. He on the other hand does not know you from adam. He never talked about you at all. He believes what he believes and you, people who believe like you, the executives of major corporations, and well paid public relations firms call him all kinds nasty things and try to demonize him. How come you can dish it out but you can't take it? He has no money to speak of and the richest man in the world is on your side what do you have to worry about?
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It's not that MS won. It's that they were slimy, unethical and immoral in doing so. You apparently think all business people (well maybe the business people who win) are also slimy, unethical and immoral but I don't. I do think it's possible to be an ethical person and run a successful business.
Nobody in MS feels the same way.
I know what it is you moron. Here were my points which you obviously missed altogether so I'll dumb them down for ya.
1) It's not a immutable law of nature. It's just a cute saying without any basis in mathematics, statistics, or science.
2) There are no "two competing theories which make exactly the same prediction" in fact there are no predictions being made at all. The airhead who posted the original post tried to use occams razor as some sort of a proof that the the number of bugs were going up.
3)Life is complex and relying cute sayings and looking for the simplest answer is a surefire way to arrive at the wrong answer.
TO blindly state that the number of bugs are increasing because "occam's razor says so" is just stupid. Why not go do some statistical analysis. Go see how many of the bugs are dups or feature requests or occur only on exotic platforms. Why not interview some mozilla developers or project managers. Why not look at the severity of the bugs.
None not out intrepid slashdot poster. He has no time for actual thinking. Occams razor says mozilla is full of bugs and who are we to argue with the razor.
Then why are you here in the first place?
" Occam's Razor says that you're wrong"
Well then I'd like to meet this Occam's razor. Did he/she/it do statistical analysis to see if bug counts are increasing, did it actually read through any bugs, did it ask the mozilla team if lots of duplicate bugs were being submitted.
You seem to have an awful lot of faith in this Occam's razor maybe you can explain to us why this is some sort of a irrefutable authority and a flawless analyzer of complex code.
"The chatter from other offices is distracting"
I guess this says it all. Not only are the people doing the chattering wasting time but they are also distracting others from working.
The remedy should not be "The person who is being distracted can waste some more time downloading software, installing it, finding music ont he net, and then wasting bandwidth to stream to his ears". It should be "I hear a lot of chatter out here which means you guys don't have enough to do expect more work and tighter deadlines starting tommorow".
BTW it's one thing to hand a dilbert cartoon or to modify the background it's another to install some app which breaks your computer, consumes a ton of storage, or sucks bandwidth.
Why is it that the world owes you great and free software. If you want to buy it then by all means write the check and get yourself sourcesafe or starteam or whatever. If you want it for free then get off your ass and do some work. If you can't code (well why are interested in source control anyways then?) then go write some documentation. All these projects could use a hand in some form or another.
If you are willing to do neither then shut the fuck up we have better things to do then to listen you bitch and moan.
Instead of asking other people "In the meantime, are there any robust and free alternatives to cvs?" why don't you take some time and help out the CVS or the subversion projects? I am sure they would be grateful for any contributions you may want to make. That's how open source works you know.
Let them bitch. If they bitch too loudly fire them and hire new people who will actually work instead of bitching. People will bitch no matter what it's your job to make the company run not cave in to the demands of the clueless lusers. They have a job to do and so do you.
If you catch employees running winamp and wasting their time fiddling with their kids pictures then you ought to have a talk with them about working when they are work. If your employees are futzing around all day instead of working that's all the more reason to lock down their workstations and make sure only work apps are running.
I certainly wouldn't use postgresql on windows (although I might if I bought it from great bridge). If you want a windows DB that open source, proven, stable, mature, reliable, fast, supports stored procedures, triggers, and has fantastic GUI tools may I recomend interbase. It does not have loadable stored procedures but does support domains and column level localization. Also consider SAPdb which is a very robust server from SAP the giant ERP company. They open sourced it a while ago.
" if they put hooks into a generic MySQL facility which allows *any* programming language to serve as a SP language in the server. Why can't I use Python?"
Postgresql does this. You can use python, perl, TCL, and PL/PGSQL.
They are debating loading up Java but there seems to be some resistance from the hackers.
All MS operating systems are stable fresh out of the box. 6 months to a year later when you have installed and uninstalled apps and when you have upgraded your IE or MDAC things start to go haywire.
Even 2K is starting to flake out on me already I think that SOAP toolkit 2.0 really messed it up good. Time to wipe the hard drive and re-install it I guess. Didn't even last a year *sigh*
You may some points there but credit reports are private data not public data.
As long as MS is free to sling bullshit about Linux, as long as MS is willing to demonize open source developers, as long as MS is willing to "educate legislators about open source software", as long as Steve Ballmer and company are willing to call us communists and un-americans I say keep it up. Turning the other cheek when the richest, most powerful, the most unethical company on the face of the planet smacks you may be christian but it sure will not stop MS from slapping your other cheek.
As long as MS attacks us we should fight back with all we have. Either that or kiss your ass goodbye. MS doesn't fuck around.
They can already go to canada and mexico where drugs are vastly cheaper. The american suckers (I mean consumers) pretty much pay twice. Once when vast amounts of tax payers mones goes to R&D and then again when they subsidize the lower cost of drugs in other countries.
"WHY AREN'T THEY DOING SO NOW ?"
The govt already pays for the great majority of the R&D in the drug industry. The drug companies pay to jump through the hoops of regulations but the govt pays for research and a bulk of testing too. Despite this though dangerous drugs still get approved only to be yanked off the shelves when people die.
"MicroSoft doesn't have the military, ATF, FBI, CIA, NSA"
They don't need it. The govt is perfectly willing to use all of it's might to enforce the wishes of MS. If the govt would refuse to enforce the property rights of MS you can bet your ass MS would raise an army of "enforcement agents" to track your ass down and make you pay.
" Actually, Africa is far more hostile."
Hate to rain on your parade there but Africa is a continent and the US is a country. Pick up a geography book for christs sake.
Wow I am continaally amazed at the complete lack of brains by the republicans in this country. No wonder Dubya is president. Ok Mr "I got less brains then two dead flies" listen up.
I never said guns were bad I said republicans shoot abortion doctors (yes those people who shoot abortion doctors are republicans). Do you see the difference there? If not ask me again I will repeat myself. Actually just go back re-read (you do read don't you?).
I never said the US is el diablo. I never used and spanish phrasing at all. I said the US is a hostile country a fact easily checked by watching tv, listening to radio, reading slashdot, or checking murder statistics.
"I suppose though, that it will keep up until we bail your pansy asses out of another"
Hey I get it, you actually thought that I was from another country! Cool for a minute there I thought you were going to bail Arizona's ass out of another war.
"Have you really listened to enough Republican talk show hosts to find the average? More importantly, have you ever listened to some of the liberal talk show hosts?"
Liberal talk show hosts? Wow I must have missed those. I must live in a small radio market cos there are no such animals where I live.
Oh yes I forgot about republican thinking. Forgive me there. I stand in awe of your deductive skills.
IANAL but.
You are not seriously suggesting that a shrik wrap license that was most likely never read, never signed, never really agreed to is an actually valid enforcable contract are you?
Even if you were I would simply say "I bought a CD from a guy on the street and it had this software on it so I installed it. I never agreed to a contract".
How can anybody hold you to a contract if they have no way of proving that you agreed to it? The worse they can do is to make you erase the software in which case that same "guy on the street" will let you borrow the CD again or re sell it to you.
"The cheater faces free enterprise."
Not having read the article this phrase strikes me as being pretty funny. The word cheat assumes that somehow some rule was agreed upon by all parties involved. My guess is that the so-called cheater has never agreed to play that game.
"One more thing...I'm not calling him a communist. I am saying his ideals fall in line with a communist world view."
Yea whatever maybe Clinton could get away with this kind of semantic games but I don't buy it.
You accused him of being a communist no matter how you try and backtrack from that it's true. He on the other hand does not know you from adam. He never talked about you at all. He believes what he believes and you, people who believe like you, the executives of major corporations, and well paid public relations firms call him all kinds nasty things and try to demonize him. How come you can dish it out but you can't take it? He has no money to speak of and the richest man in the world is on your side what do you have to worry about?
You are not suggesting that the people who gun down abortion doctors are democrats are you? Of course they are republicans.
Why not post it here?