HE DID NOT BREAK ANY LAW. I'll say it again HE DID NOT BREAK ANY LAW. Maybe the company he works for did (not!) but you can't just arrest employees of criminal companies can you?
Now wait a minute MS is found guilty of crimes and lots of people work for MS. WOW let's arrest them all!
"I'd be willing to bet that least four or five percent of current citizens never went to a public school. Thats besides the point though."
Whoo hoo that puts you right up there with the homosexuals. In fact I would guess that more then five percent of the american population is homosexual. Somehow you are not suggesting that US should reorganize itself to better suit the homosexual community though are you? Why should we reshape the entire fucking country to suit the whims of the five percent?
"Likewise, the things you mention are LOCAL GOVERNMENT functions except for national parks,"
Are you reading my posts? Let me say it again.
One if you think that local services like parks and such are paid ENTIRELY by your local taxes then you are profoundly mistaken. The cost of almost all local infrastucture from roads to schools is largely borne by the federal govt. Apparently you also can't seem to get your mind around the fact that if the federal funds dry up then the state has to pick up slack for retirement benefits, farm subsidies, etc. Imagine a state like iowa which already received more from the federal govt then it gives (welfare state in other words) suddenly having to cope with not only the municipal park but also the collapsing dairy, corn and beef industries. It can't be done. Iowa and other welfare states would turn into third world countries in a hurry.
"Waco? Ruby Ridge? Tim McVeigh?"
Oh boy you are one of those people. Tim Mcveigh is a murderer. He murdered hundreds of people including small children. I can't believe he is a hero to you people. As for Waco and Ruby Ridge here is a clue for you freakazoids. The correct response to "Come out with your hands up" is not "Screw you we have guns and we are not afraid to use them". What the hell were they expecting? Why not just walk out with your hand up and deal with it in court like every other freaking American Citizen does. If you want to die resisting arrest and shoot at federal agents when they come to arrest you then don't whine about it. Just do us all a favor and die for your cause.
"I mean to say, they only got the handouts that all Americans are promised, correct?"
Absolutely not. The kind taxpayers of California, New York and other hard working states handed over their tax money so a welfare state like Montana could actually clean up the mess W.R grace left behind. You see the evil FEDERAL GOVERNMENT did not want more people in Libby dying (even though they are tax leeching govt haters). So they agreed to actually spend millions of dollars cleaning up the shit the corporation left behind. You'd think those people in libby would be thanking the hard working people of New York and california as well as the kindly FEDERAL govt but no they still curse them daily all the while spending their money. A bunch of good for nothing, ungrateful, shitheads that they are.
"First, why all this pleading that Java should be considered a vital part of the OS?"
LIE. Nobody said anything like this. Nobody said it should be part of the OS they said it should be pre-installed by the OEM. Go learn english and re-read the posts.
"Yet here is Microsoft removing the JRE from the OS ('unbundling', if you will), leaving you free to install any version from any vendor, and everyone is complaining about it"
LIE. Nobody is complaining about anything they are urging the OEMs to pre-install the JRE. Not only are you a liar but you seem to be profoundly confused about the difference between bundling a ham sandwith with your OS and calling it innovation and the PC manufacturers pre-installing applications. A stupid liar.
"Finally, isn't this how Microsoft's much-hyped new OEM licensing should work?"
Here you are just plain stupid. Well duh you brickhead of course this is the way the OEMs shoudl work. All bundling should be done at the OEM level and the OEMs should be free to bundle and UNBUNDLE any thing they want. People are asking the OEMs to bundle their favorite thingie why do you have a problem with that?
"All in all, this is something that's more in line with the philosophy that/.ers support - you only have to install what _you_ want, not what the OS vendor wants - but everyone here is complaining about it."
Whoo hoo here you are just babling incorently. See if you can understand this simple concept really I'll try and use small words. We want the OEMs to listen to us because WE ARE THEIR CUSTOMERS. Did you get that? WE ARE BUYING THE PC NOT MICROSOFT. Why should the OEM listen the OS manufacturer when they should be listening to their customers.
"It seems to me that the consistency of arguments on/., such as it is, goes out the window when a chance to bash Microsoft appears..."
Well this is the biggest lie of all. Your post got moderated up because it bashed slashdot and defends MS. There are numerous other examples of that on this topic alone. The days of slashdot being an open source community are long gone. Now it's full of astro-turfers and MS shills like yourself.
Of course I will be moderated down for actually pointing out that you are liar and critisizing Microsoft.
Why not demand? Why not beg, cajole, ask, threaten (if you can but let's face it you are Microsoft). Why is it that the OEMS are so far up MS butt that they are deadly afraid of installing a JRE or a linux partition.
I say ask every OEM for everything you can. We are not MS and can not threaten them with financial penalties but maybe if enough people demand and ask we will get our voices heard too. Why should the bullies be the only people getting their way.
First of all presuming you are telling the truth you must be in the one percent of americans who has never set foot in a public school of any sort. I suppose you will also claim that you have never ridden on public roads, never had your street cleared of snow, never visited a national park, or ridden public transportation either. Congratulations on being in the.0001% of americans who do not take handouts from the federal govt.
"You are mixing issues. I am talking FEDERAL government. Not local and state."
You seemed to have missed my point. The FEDERAL govt redistributes wealth from the people who live in cities and well off suburbs to the rural states where the farmers and the ranchers live. If the taxes collected from the state of new york actually stayed in new york people of montana would starve to death. They could not maintain their state roads, their sewage systems, their police and fire resources. The farmers would all go belly up without subsidized loans and the ranchers would lose all their cattle without subsized grazing fees and price supports etc. In other words states like montana would suffer a catastrophic financial collapse.
As for your dust bowl analogy well it just does not fly. It's a different world today then it was in the early part of the century. Today people are not only armed but are willing to go half cocked when anything bugs them. Not only that but they are being whipped into a anti govt frenzy by the right wing media. You can be sure the minute the shit started hitting the fan the bullets would fly. It has already happened in Montana and Arizona and it's looking like it's going happen again in Oregon. People will take the law into their own hands make no mistake about it.
A final real world example.
A year or so ago there was a huge anti govt rally in Libby Montana. The newspapers were full of talk about revolution and kicking govt ass. Then people found out that the local mining company (W.R Grace) had poisoned the entire town with asbestos dust for years and that was the reason they had cancer at alarming rates. Now those same anti govt kooks are yelling at the govt for not providing enough money and not preventing the mining company from killing them. I wish I was the head of the EPA. I would walk into that town tell them that they don't deserve govt money and they should all die slow and painful deaths at the hands of the mining company that they worshiped for decades. Too bad the actual govt is much kinder then I am and will actually help out those who hate it and want to kill it.
SOAP toolkit 2 requires that you upgrade your browser to 5.5. Yes just to use msxml3.dll you have to download 30 megabytes worth of stuff (if you have IE 5.x already installed).
Of course your app won't work on anybodies machine unless they have ie5.5 too. Face it MS owns us. They can make us install whatever they want whenever they want. It will only get worse with XP.
"Let me put it simply. I want back every dime that the government didnt absolutely need. "
Well that sounds fine and dandy until you actually sit down and do the math. The fact of the matter is that significant percentage of the population of the united states relies very heavily on government handouts. No I am not talking about the welfare mothers I am talking about farmers, ranchers, veterant, elderly people, sick people, and damn near every resident of rural states who get back from the govt more then they pay into the govt. The ugly fact is that the "liberal" (and more densly populated) states like New York and California subsidize the rural (and conservative) states like Arizona and Montana.
If indeed the govt took back that money or better yet never collected it at all so that New York money stayed in New York then the west and the midwest would collapse and fall into serious disrepair. Of course being angry and armed lot who knows what the consequences of that would be. Look how the farmers in oregon are blaming the govt for the 10 year draught for example and are taking the law into their own hands.
Usually whenever I hear somebody say "give me back the money" what they really mean is "Don't take away my benefits and handouts go take away theirs instead". Are you willing to give up low interest school loans? pell grants? govt paved roads? public parks? tennis courts and swmming pools? Go ask your neighbors what they are willing to sacrifice to pay less taxes and every single one will say "why should I have to sacrifice just take the money away from those guys (welfare mothers, corporations, foreigh nations etc).
Yea I agree let's get the govt out of the business of welfare can we start with you?
Why does somebody owe you directions? Why are they obligated to stop what they are doing and take the time to tell you something you could have easily looked up in any map?
I see now. A thirty year old bully who is a karate expert should be able to beat up on any 12 year he sees because he has gained his expertise through many battles.
Yes by golly that sure seems right.
Your analogy is very apt. MS is the bully in the schoolyard. There are two possible responses to a bully. One report the bully to the authorities two gang up and beat the bully to a pulp. In this case the second option is out of the question. Mainly because the bully is a 30 year old karate expert and the kids are all 12 year olds. No matter how they gang up they will not be able to beat up the bully.
Also bullying is itself illegal. Hitting the bully back is illegal, just like the bully is committing assault by hitting the 12 year olds.
It remains to be seen wheather the authorities will make the bully stop committing assault or not (I doubt it very much).
What I would like to see is for someone to hold Bill Gates, Steve Ballmer, and the rest of the mafioso to be held personally responsible for their acts.
This will probably mean a well placed explosive but I digress (and besides I would never reccomend that someone actually kill these bastards or cause them great bodily harm there are other ways to hold evil people personally responsible for their actions).
A federal judge has ruled that MS is a monopoly. An Appeals court has upheld that ruling. They also both have ruled that MS has abused that monopoly to the detriment of consumers. They have only disagreed on what the punishment should be.
I think it's time you accepted the fact that MS is a monopoly and that they have harmed the consumers.
Although the price trend of off the shelf commodities has been going up the last five years the price of hardware and software have been trending down. The price of just about every piece of software has gone down over the last five years except MS products where MS has a monopoly. The price of Windows and office have gone up while the price of ms money and ms works has gone down. Monopoly = ability to jack up prices.
Throw a hundred random poor but innocent black people into the legal system and see how many of them come out the other side free. I bet maybe 40% if the judges were awake during the trials. Accuse them of drug dealing and I bet you could lock up 70% without even trying.
Our legal system is broken and useless unless you are rich or a republican.
There are only so many operating systems that are even remotely viable. If you choose to write for Windows you will be competing with Microsoft eventually. It does not matter what your software does or how innovative it is. If it becomes viable Microsoft will enter the market and crush you with a free alternative which has a thousand highly trained programmers working on it. If you are making a "mee too" product you are competing against very well established companies which are already controlling the market and the mindshare of users.
You have a much better chance of success trying to be the big fish in a small pond. If you are able to succeed in the linux market and build a brand identity and a reputation you can then attempt to make inroads into the Mac or Windows markets.
Of course one out of three businesses fail in this country and your chances of actually surviving a few years is bleak at best but your bet chance to make it is going to be in the niches where Microsoft does not play.
Unless you are already established and have billions in cash it's suicidal to try and compete with Microsoft. Look at the long trail of dead companies MS has left in it's wake and how dominant they once were in their fields you think a small fry like the Kompany has a chance?
Most small businesses rely on small local consulting companies to help them set up their servers and workstations. Believe me no business owner is going to set up a network and wire the building and install NT. To the local consulting companies Linux is a big win. Their bids come in lower or they profit more with the same amount of money spent. Target the local consulting companies.
What the hell are talking about. Most slashdot posters actually work for MS and the rest use IE daily. Really the days of slashdot being an open source place are long gone. Nowadays any post praising windows or badmouthing linux is guaranteed to be moderated to +5. Go check for yourself.
Most sheeple wouldn't know one end of autocad from their assholes. The poster was talking about the common idiot who uses windows not the one percent of the population which does not confuse autocad with a stuffed garfield doll stuck to the window.
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HE DID NOT BREAK ANY LAW. I'll say it again HE DID NOT BREAK ANY LAW. Maybe the company he works for did (not!) but you can't just arrest employees of criminal companies can you?
Now wait a minute MS is found guilty of crimes and lots of people work for MS. WOW let's arrest them all!
Doesn't the FBI have a duty to see weather or not a crime has actually been committed? I have tried to find a crime in this case but I can't.
Clinton's asprin fiasco don't hold a candle to murdering 100,000 iraqies by bush (not to mention panamenians).
So if a company sells software deemed illegal you should be able to arrest any employee of that company when they step on US soil?
I just want to clarify your point. You seem to be saying that employees of companies should be arrested if their company sells an illegal product.
FYI. He is an employee of the company which DOES NOT SELL IN THE US.
"I'd be willing to bet that least four or five percent of current citizens never went to a public school. Thats besides the point though."
Whoo hoo that puts you right up there with the homosexuals. In fact I would guess that more then five percent of the american population is homosexual. Somehow you are not suggesting that US should reorganize itself to better suit the homosexual community though are you? Why should we reshape the entire fucking country to suit the whims of the five percent?
"Likewise, the things you mention are LOCAL GOVERNMENT functions except for national parks,"
Are you reading my posts? Let me say it again.
One if you think that local services like parks and such are paid ENTIRELY by your local taxes then you are profoundly mistaken. The cost of almost all local infrastucture from roads to schools is largely borne by the federal govt. Apparently you also can't seem to get your mind around the fact that if the federal funds dry up then the state has to pick up slack for retirement benefits, farm subsidies, etc. Imagine a state like iowa which already received more from the federal govt then it gives (welfare state in other words) suddenly having to cope with not only the municipal park but also the collapsing dairy, corn and beef industries. It can't be done. Iowa and other welfare states would turn into third world countries in a hurry.
"Waco? Ruby Ridge? Tim McVeigh?"
Oh boy you are one of those people. Tim Mcveigh is a murderer. He murdered hundreds of people including small children. I can't believe he is a hero to you people. As for Waco and Ruby Ridge here is a clue for you freakazoids. The correct response to "Come out with your hands up" is not "Screw you we have guns and we are not afraid to use them". What the hell were they expecting? Why not just walk out with your hand up and deal with it in court like every other freaking American Citizen does. If you want to die resisting arrest and shoot at federal agents when they come to arrest you then don't whine about it. Just do us all a favor and die for your cause.
"I mean to say, they only got the handouts that all Americans are promised, correct?"
Absolutely not. The kind taxpayers of California, New York and other hard working states handed over their tax money so a welfare state like Montana could actually clean up the mess W.R grace left behind. You see the evil FEDERAL GOVERNMENT did not want more people in Libby dying (even though they are tax leeching govt haters). So they agreed to actually spend millions of dollars cleaning up the shit the corporation left behind. You'd think those people in libby would be thanking the hard working people of New York and california as well as the kindly FEDERAL govt but no they still curse them daily all the while spending their money. A bunch of good for nothing, ungrateful, shitheads that they are.
They don't list any prices on their web site. I hate that. It makes me feel like they are going to rip me off by charging me more then somebody else.
Why is this idiot liear moderated up.
/.ers support - you only have to install what _you_ want, not what the OS vendor wants - but everyone here is complaining about it."
/., such as it is, goes out the window when a chance to bash Microsoft appears..."
"First, why all this pleading that Java should be considered a vital part of the OS?"
LIE. Nobody said anything like this. Nobody said it should be part of the OS they said it should be pre-installed by the OEM. Go learn english and re-read the posts.
"Yet here is Microsoft removing the JRE from the OS ('unbundling', if you will), leaving you free to install any version from any vendor, and everyone is complaining about it"
LIE. Nobody is complaining about anything they are urging the OEMs to pre-install the JRE. Not only are you a liar but you seem to be profoundly confused about the difference between bundling a ham sandwith with your OS and calling it innovation and the PC manufacturers pre-installing applications. A stupid liar.
"Finally, isn't this how Microsoft's much-hyped new OEM licensing should work?"
Here you are just plain stupid. Well duh you brickhead of course this is the way the OEMs shoudl work. All bundling should be done at the OEM level and the OEMs should be free to bundle and UNBUNDLE any thing they want. People are asking the OEMs to bundle their favorite thingie why do you have a problem with that?
"All in all, this is something that's more in line with the philosophy that
Whoo hoo here you are just babling incorently. See if you can understand this simple concept really I'll try and use small words. We want the OEMs to listen to us because WE ARE THEIR CUSTOMERS. Did you get that? WE ARE BUYING THE PC NOT MICROSOFT. Why should the OEM listen the OS manufacturer when they should be listening to their customers.
"It seems to me that the consistency of arguments on
Well this is the biggest lie of all. Your post got moderated up because it bashed slashdot and defends MS. There are numerous other examples of that on this topic alone. The days of slashdot being an open source community are long gone. Now it's full of astro-turfers and MS shills like yourself.
Of course I will be moderated down for actually pointing out that you are liar and critisizing Microsoft.
Because this is slashdot. Any post praising Microsoft or bashing linux gets moderated to high heaven.
I remember when slashdot was actually for open source now it's for microsoft.
Why not demand? Why not beg, cajole, ask, threaten (if you can but let's face it you are Microsoft). Why is it that the OEMS are so far up MS butt that they are deadly afraid of installing a JRE or a linux partition.
I say ask every OEM for everything you can. We are not MS and can not threaten them with financial penalties but maybe if enough people demand and ask we will get our voices heard too. Why should the bullies be the only people getting their way.
First of all presuming you are telling the truth you must be in the one percent of americans who has never set foot in a public school of any sort. I suppose you will also claim that you have never ridden on public roads, never had your street cleared of snow, never visited a national park, or ridden public transportation either. Congratulations on being in the .0001% of americans who do not take handouts from the federal govt.
"You are mixing issues. I am talking FEDERAL government. Not local and state."
You seemed to have missed my point. The FEDERAL govt redistributes wealth from the people who live in cities and well off suburbs to the rural states where the farmers and the ranchers live. If the taxes collected from the state of new york actually stayed in new york people of montana would starve to death. They could not maintain their state roads, their sewage systems, their police and fire resources. The farmers would all go belly up without subsidized loans and the ranchers would lose all their cattle without subsized grazing fees and price supports etc. In other words states like montana would suffer a catastrophic financial collapse.
As for your dust bowl analogy well it just does not fly. It's a different world today then it was in the early part of the century. Today people are not only armed but are willing to go half cocked when anything bugs them. Not only that but they are being whipped into a anti govt frenzy by the right wing media. You can be sure the minute the shit started hitting the fan the bullets would fly. It has already happened in Montana and Arizona and it's looking like it's going happen again in Oregon. People will take the law into their own hands make no mistake about it.
A final real world example.
A year or so ago there was a huge anti govt rally in Libby Montana. The newspapers were full of talk about revolution and kicking govt ass. Then people found out that the local mining company (W.R Grace) had poisoned the entire town with asbestos dust for years and that was the reason they had cancer at alarming rates. Now those same anti govt kooks are yelling at the govt for not providing enough money and not preventing the mining company from killing them. I wish I was the head of the EPA. I would walk into that town tell them that they don't deserve govt money and they should all die slow and painful deaths at the hands of the mining company that they worshiped for decades. Too bad the actual govt is much kinder then I am and will actually help out those who hate it and want to kill it.
Nonetheless nobody owes you their time or effort. This is america remember.
SOAP toolkit 2 requires that you upgrade your browser to 5.5. Yes just to use msxml3.dll you have to download 30 megabytes worth of stuff (if you have IE 5.x already installed).
Of course your app won't work on anybodies machine unless they have ie5.5 too. Face it MS owns us. They can make us install whatever they want whenever they want. It will only get worse with XP.
"Let me put it simply. I want back every dime that the government didnt absolutely need. "
Well that sounds fine and dandy until you actually sit down and do the math. The fact of the matter is that significant percentage of the population of the united states relies very heavily on government handouts. No I am not talking about the welfare mothers I am talking about farmers, ranchers, veterant, elderly people, sick people, and damn near every resident of rural states who get back from the govt more then they pay into the govt. The ugly fact is that the "liberal" (and more densly populated) states like New York and California subsidize the rural (and conservative) states like Arizona and Montana.
If indeed the govt took back that money or better yet never collected it at all so that New York money stayed in New York then the west and the midwest would collapse and fall into serious disrepair. Of course being angry and armed lot who knows what the consequences of that would be. Look how the farmers in oregon are blaming the govt for the 10 year draught for example and are taking the law into their own hands.
Usually whenever I hear somebody say "give me back the money" what they really mean is "Don't take away my benefits and handouts go take away theirs instead". Are you willing to give up low interest school loans? pell grants? govt paved roads? public parks? tennis courts and swmming pools? Go ask your neighbors what they are willing to sacrifice to pay less taxes and every single one will say "why should I have to sacrifice just take the money away from those guys (welfare mothers, corporations, foreigh nations etc).
Yea I agree let's get the govt out of the business of welfare can we start with you?
Why does somebody owe you directions? Why are they obligated to stop what they are doing and take the time to tell you something you could have easily looked up in any map?
One illogical american is no match for one immoral CEO. If a CEO of a major corporation hasn't lied to 10 people by 9:00 AM he will be fired.
The problem is that the CEOs of major corporations have are immoral slimeballs.
I see now. A thirty year old bully who is a karate expert should be able to beat up on any 12 year he sees because he has gained his expertise through many battles.
Yes by golly that sure seems right.
Your analogy is very apt. MS is the bully in the schoolyard. There are two possible responses to a bully. One report the bully to the authorities two gang up and beat the bully to a pulp. In this case the second option is out of the question. Mainly because the bully is a 30 year old karate expert and the kids are all 12 year olds. No matter how they gang up they will not be able to beat up the bully.
Also bullying is itself illegal. Hitting the bully back is illegal, just like the bully is committing assault by hitting the 12 year olds.
It remains to be seen wheather the authorities will make the bully stop committing assault or not (I doubt it very much).
What I would like to see is for someone to hold Bill Gates, Steve Ballmer, and the rest of the mafioso to be held personally responsible for their acts.
This will probably mean a well placed explosive but I digress (and besides I would never reccomend that someone actually kill these bastards or cause them great bodily harm there are other ways to hold evil people personally responsible for their actions).
A federal judge has ruled that MS is a monopoly. An Appeals court has upheld that ruling. They also both have ruled that MS has abused that monopoly to the detriment of consumers. They have only disagreed on what the punishment should be.
I think it's time you accepted the fact that MS is a monopoly and that they have harmed the consumers.
Although the price trend of off the shelf commodities has been going up the last five years the price of hardware and software have been trending down. The price of just about every piece of software has gone down over the last five years except MS products where MS has a monopoly. The price of Windows and office have gone up while the price of ms money and ms works has gone down. Monopoly = ability to jack up prices.
Throw a hundred random poor but innocent black people into the legal system and see how many of them come out the other side free. I bet maybe 40% if the judges were awake during the trials. Accuse them of drug dealing and I bet you could lock up 70% without even trying.
Our legal system is broken and useless unless you are rich or a republican.
Here is a serious answer.
There are only so many operating systems that are even remotely viable. If you choose to write for Windows you will be competing with Microsoft eventually. It does not matter what your software does or how innovative it is. If it becomes viable Microsoft will enter the market and crush you with a free alternative which has a thousand highly trained programmers working on it. If you are making a "mee too" product you are competing against very well established companies which are already controlling the market and the mindshare of users.
You have a much better chance of success trying to be the big fish in a small pond. If you are able to succeed in the linux market and build a brand identity and a reputation you can then attempt to make inroads into the Mac or Windows markets.
Of course one out of three businesses fail in this country and your chances of actually surviving a few years is bleak at best but your bet chance to make it is going to be in the niches where Microsoft does not play.
Unless you are already established and have billions in cash it's suicidal to try and compete with Microsoft. Look at the long trail of dead companies MS has left in it's wake and how dominant they once were in their fields you think a small fry like the Kompany has a chance?
Most small businesses rely on small local consulting companies to help them set up their servers and workstations. Believe me no business owner is going to set up a network and wire the building and install NT. To the local consulting companies Linux is a big win. Their bids come in lower or they profit more with the same amount of money spent. Target the local consulting companies.
What the hell are talking about. Most slashdot posters actually work for MS and the rest use IE daily. Really the days of slashdot being an open source place are long gone. Nowadays any post praising windows or badmouthing linux is guaranteed to be moderated to +5. Go check for yourself.
Most sheeple wouldn't know one end of autocad from their assholes. The poster was talking about the common idiot who uses windows not the one percent of the population which does not confuse autocad with a stuffed garfield doll stuck to the window.
They probably won't let you talk to Balmer, Allchin, Mundie etc. The top end of MS is nothing but a bunch of lying assholes.