Chances are very good that he will have to upgrade his sytems. If not now then in a few months or so. Why not hold off until then and get a mac. Also if he is willing to fork over $500.00 for licenses of XP then it almost pays for a mac.
Why do you keep insisting that the choice is only between linux and windows. Mac is a great choice for inexperienced people. Much better usability then windows and controlled hardware makes incompatibilities a thing of the past.
Your sister installed windows? She is able to open up her box and install hardware and then install the drivers? She seems pretty advanced to me I am sure she could handle Linux. If she can't there is always a MAC. Even my 72 year old dad can use a mac.
Apple does not have a monopoly. Monopolies have restrictions on them that other businesses don't.
Not only is MS a monopoly they have been judged by a federal judge to criminally abused their monopoly to choke off competition. This came after they had already been reprimanded by the federal govt for their previous behaviours. Not only that but the appeals court upheld the guilty verdict of the first judge.
In this case there is no line to draw.
If you are a monopoly and you have been judged to be a criminal three times then you ought have some
restrictions put on you. They are so far over the line there is no question about it.
Criminals don't enjoy the same rights as everybody else.
Who cares how hard it is to decide what the punishment should be. The point is while they are deciding MS should not be allowed to continue committing crimes. Criminals are usually in jail while they are awaiting sentensing. MS is a soul-less immortal being so it can not be jailed but it should not be allowed to whatever it wants in the meantime.
No it would not really. I know of no linux email readers which let you execute an attachment by clicking on it. Also There is no such thing as a "standard address book" in linux so the virus would not be able to spread itself so easily. BTW the same applies for eudora. If doubleclicked on a.VBS file with eudora The virus could not propagate.
The point is that windows and outlook have a myraid of security holes which are very easy to exploit by any body who can hack out a few lines of VB. Other systems don't.
"but that is not the job nor the purview of the government"
Sez who? You? Sure that's your opinion but so what? Apparently most people don't share your opinion because most people want the federal govt to be involved in many many things. My opinion is that the govt is here to serve the citizens. Yes that means farm subsidies and welfare. I also believe in a strong and activist govt to protect the "we who are not are not like you" from "you". This country has a horrible record when it comes to treatment of the "you don't think or look like us" citizens.
"I'd love to address your other issues,"
It's useless. I'll never change your opinion and you'll nver change mine.
" I certainly never ever call anyone else a satanist."
When you said that welfare was "evil" you brought religion into this discussion. Evil is a religious term. Sorry but you brought it up. I never called you a satanist I merely pointed out the following facts which are pretty much incontrevertable.
1) Jesus was an advocate of the poor and the disenfranchised. Insofar as the welfare state seeks to help the poor and the disenfranchised it is following the teachings of christ.
2)The Devil never ever advocated helping the less fortunate. The devil (and the modern satanist church) advocate the principle of "every man for himself".
3) capitalism is indistinguisable from satanism. It advocates selfishness and greed as the highest virtue available to man. More then that it uses as it's main driving force all seven of the deadly sins. Pride, envy, gluttony, lust, anger, covetousness and sloth are woven into the very fabric of capitalism and american society.
If you are looking for evil look at right wing Talk radio which seeks to "anger" americans and fill them with "pride" and partiotism all while running commercials to instill "envy" and "covetousness" so that people will consume to "gluttony" all those time saving devices so then can practise their "sloth".
If the Devil ever thought of a political or a social structure it would look exactly like capitalism.
Not one religous figure (with the exception of church of satan founder anton LeVey) ever said "go forth and accumulate as much wealth as possible". Not Jesus, Not Mohammed, not Budha. In fact they all advocated living simply at or near poverty and helping others. That puts them at severe odds with capitalism.
Witherspoon is a fine actress. I haven't seen this movie yet but from the ads it seems to have a simple message for all the young girls of america.
"You see those popular and beautiful girls in your school? what you don't realize is that they are smarter then you too. Face it honey you are both ugly and dumb".
I am glad I don't have any girls, I would hate to be them if this movie becomes popular.
Your description of the events are way off base. Even the very biased Amnesty report states
"In 1995 the government paid $3.1m in settlement of a wrongful death claim to the family of a white separatist whose wife and son were shot dead by FBI sharpshooters during a siege in Idaho in 1992"
Notice the word "siege". The FBI agent didn't just walk up to them and shoot them without talking to them. It was a protracted "siege" anytime during which Randy could have...
a) Sent his wife and kids out.
b) surrendered
c) Shot himself (and perhaps his family too)
d) Come out firing taking out a few evil FBI agents and dying in a blaze of glory.
Instead he chose to basically hold his wife and kid hostage. He knew that the FBI would not charge in if women and children were in the house. The fact remains.
He was not willing to be arrested for his beliefs.
He was not willing to be jailed for his beliefs.
He was not willing to die for his beliefs.
He is only willing to whine about his beliefs to the right wing fanatics on talk radio.
It's not about that. It's about lying. The original poster was trying to make it seem like the MS license and the GPL were about the same. He did this by minimizing the worst porion of the license. It was exactly like saying. "except for the cannabilism Jeffrey is a nice guy".
The issue is not the nature it's the way the poster was making his point.
His son was not shot because of what he believed. Like I said if your response to "come out with your hand up" is "fuck you motherfuckers come get me" you should expect to die. Too bad he did not have the balls to send his wife and kid out and face the govt by hinself. He hid behind his wife and kids, told the govt to come and get him, and now whines that his kid got shot. Well duh!. That's what happens to cowards who use their wife and kids as shields.
Nelson Mandela got jailed for decades and tortured for his beliefs but he came out to lead his country. Randy Weaver would not made it a day in a south African Prison we would have broken like a cracker because he is a coward and spineless whiner.
If you are not willing to be arrested for your beliefs, jailed for your beliefs or die for your beliefs then shut the fuck up.
" Yes, I will remember that. So next time I am asked about history I will just tell them that the correct response to the British wasn't "We The People..." but "We The Surrenderers...". I mean, they COULD have just taken it to the British courts, right? "
There is a severe difference betweent he actions of the waco/ruby ridge crowd and your example. History of the world is full of heroic and brave people who were not afraid to be arrested, jailed and even die for what they believed in. These people were not willing to be arrested or jailed or die for their cause. They simply wanted to throw a tantrum and then whine about it endlessly on talk radio. Nelson Madella spent decades behind bars in a brutal south african prisons before emerging as a world leader. Randy weaver would not have made it a day in that jail. He is a coward for hiding behind his wife and kids and leading them slaughter. He should have been a man about it and either fought to the death by himself of went to jail and sacrificed his freedom like Ghandi, or Mandella did. He is a coward of the worst sort.
"Do you believe, in both theory and pratice, that the welfare state is a destructive, addicting, and evil social apparatus?"
Absolutely not. Not only do I think the welfare state is a pragmatic solution to the varied problems our country faces but is in fact the will of the people (in fact it would not have developed if it wasn't wanted by the people). Without it the less populated states would have degenerated into pools of severe poverty and there would be serious disruption of our food, water, energy, wood and mineral supplies. The only way to assure that farmers, ranchers, loggers, etc are able to do their jobs and distribute their good to the vast expanses of the American landscape is with massive federal tax money.
Aside from the practical I also believe that as a country which professes to be Christian there is a moral imperitive from Christ and God to tend to the poor and the less fortunate. If this is a "one country under god" then we better be tending the needs of the wretched. In fact the sermon on the mount is the most "liberal" document ever written and it came out of the mouth of Christ himself.
I don't know where you get this idea that the welfare state is evil. Perhaps you can point to a document where the devil extorts people to help the poor or tend to the sick. It seems like those values come from God not the Devil. If anything Satanism (as practised today) is the closest religion to capitalism I can see. Their main tenant is "do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law". Your ideal of a world where it's every man for himself and the abondenment of the good of the whole is closer to satanism then to Christianity.
If you want to spend your tax refund getting yourself some nice shoes or some golf clubs then fine do it. But don't go around pretending that you are doing some "Moral" or "Just" thing by spending the money buying stuff for yourself. The Moral thing to do would be to sacrifice that money for the greater good. I think giving that money to the EFF would benefit the greater good.
I think Jesus with agree with me and Satan would agree with you.
How would Jesus spend his tax refund? OK that's a trick question. Jesus would be too poor to pay taxes or get a refund.
How can you say "aside from this one particularly offensive part" it's less restrictive then the GPL? That's like saying "aside from killing and eating a few people" Jeffrey Dahmer is a nice guy.
"Yes, Java can do most of what.NET will do. However, with.NET it all comes in one attractive package all ready to go. And it will support more than one language."
Somehow I would seriously doubt it will come in one package. If it's like any other MS product it will come in an insane array dependencies. When I installed the SOAP toolkit I had to upgrade IE to 5.5 and had to download pathched msxml3.dll set too. Just to be able to post to a soap server I had to download about 50 megabytes of stuff and not only that I had to install this crap on every PC in the shop which was going to run the code.
As for your second point..NET does nto support any language except C#. Any other language will have to be seriously bastardised to work on the CLR including giving up some serious functionality like multiple inheretance. NONE of your C, C++, VB, or Java apps will run on it without a very serious rewrite. In fact it will never support JAVA or any other language which MS deems a competitor.
How can you say it will support multiple languages when it does not support the four most popular languages on the planet? Look at VB.NET it looks nothing like VB 6.0 you might as well learn a whole new language (I guess ms is counting on that).
The proper response to
"This is the FBI, we have you surrounded, Come out with your hands up"
is MOST DEFINATELY NOT
"come and get me mutherfuckers I have guns and am not afraid to use them"
especially if your wife and kid are in the house.
BTW hiding behind his wife and kids was a cowardly act. He should have let them go and faced the FBI alone like a real man at least he would have died a defiant death. Instead he spends his days whining about the evil "guvmit" and the "god-damned niggers and jews".
If it's OK to arrest employees for the conduct of the companies they work for then we should start arresting Microsoft employees. After all Microsoft has been found guilty of breaking laws too.
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It's not illegal to have a monopoly as long as you don't abuse it. MS criminally abused their monopoly. Big difference there dontcha think?
"Surely, by the same logic, Apple has a monopoly on the "Motorola-based consumer desktop market"???? "
Not until a judge says so. That's the way our system works.
Yes but it does present another opportunity to point out that MS executives are habitual liars.
Chances are very good that he will have to upgrade his sytems. If not now then in a few months or so. Why not hold off until then and get a mac. Also if he is willing to fork over $500.00 for licenses of XP then it almost pays for a mac.
Why do you keep insisting that the choice is only between linux and windows. Mac is a great choice for inexperienced people. Much better usability then windows and controlled hardware makes incompatibilities a thing of the past.
Your sister installed windows? She is able to open up her box and install hardware and then install the drivers? She seems pretty advanced to me I am sure she could handle Linux. If she can't there is always a MAC. Even my 72 year old dad can use a mac.
Ever heard of a MAC?
Neverthe less they have been judged to be guilty of crimes. The appeals court upheld that verdict. They are criminals and should be treated as such.
Apple does not have a monopoly. Monopolies have restrictions on them that other businesses don't.
Not only is MS a monopoly they have been judged by a federal judge to criminally abused their monopoly to choke off competition. This came after they had already been reprimanded by the federal govt for their previous behaviours. Not only that but the appeals court upheld the guilty verdict of the first judge.
In this case there is no line to draw.
If you are a monopoly and you have been judged to be a criminal three times then you ought have some
restrictions put on you. They are so far over the line there is no question about it.
Criminals don't enjoy the same rights as everybody else.
Who cares how hard it is to decide what the punishment should be. The point is while they are deciding MS should not be allowed to continue committing crimes. Criminals are usually in jail while they are awaiting sentensing. MS is a soul-less immortal being so it can not be jailed but it should not be allowed to whatever it wants in the meantime.
Huh? You seem to be profoundly confused here. The guy is seeking asylum in canada. He is escaping religious persecution int he US.
"If it were a Linux binary it would"
.VBS file with eudora The virus could not propagate.
No it would not really. I know of no linux email readers which let you execute an attachment by clicking on it. Also There is no such thing as a "standard address book" in linux so the virus would not be able to spread itself so easily. BTW the same applies for eudora. If doubleclicked on a
The point is that windows and outlook have a myraid of security holes which are very easy to exploit by any body who can hack out a few lines of VB. Other systems don't.
"but that is not the job nor the purview of the government"
Sez who? You? Sure that's your opinion but so what? Apparently most people don't share your opinion because most people want the federal govt to be involved in many many things. My opinion is that the govt is here to serve the citizens. Yes that means farm subsidies and welfare. I also believe in a strong and activist govt to protect the "we who are not are not like you" from "you". This country has a horrible record when it comes to treatment of the "you don't think or look like us" citizens.
"I'd love to address your other issues,"
It's useless. I'll never change your opinion and you'll nver change mine.
" I certainly never ever call anyone else a satanist."
When you said that welfare was "evil" you brought religion into this discussion. Evil is a religious term. Sorry but you brought it up. I never called you a satanist I merely pointed out the following facts which are pretty much incontrevertable.
1) Jesus was an advocate of the poor and the disenfranchised. Insofar as the welfare state seeks to help the poor and the disenfranchised it is following the teachings of christ.
2)The Devil never ever advocated helping the less fortunate. The devil (and the modern satanist church) advocate the principle of "every man for himself".
3) capitalism is indistinguisable from satanism. It advocates selfishness and greed as the highest virtue available to man. More then that it uses as it's main driving force all seven of the deadly sins. Pride, envy, gluttony, lust, anger, covetousness and sloth are woven into the very fabric of capitalism and american society.
If you are looking for evil look at right wing Talk radio which seeks to "anger" americans and fill them with "pride" and partiotism all while running commercials to instill "envy" and "covetousness" so that people will consume to "gluttony" all those time saving devices so then can practise their "sloth".
If the Devil ever thought of a political or a social structure it would look exactly like capitalism.
Not one religous figure (with the exception of church of satan founder anton LeVey) ever said "go forth and accumulate as much wealth as possible". Not Jesus, Not Mohammed, not Budha. In fact they all advocated living simply at or near poverty and helping others. That puts them at severe odds with capitalism.
Umm yea but if I got this virus in linux it would not effect me at all right?
Witherspoon is a fine actress. I haven't seen this movie yet but from the ads it seems to have a simple message for all the young girls of america.
"You see those popular and beautiful girls in your school? what you don't realize is that they are smarter then you too. Face it honey you are both ugly and dumb".
I am glad I don't have any girls, I would hate to be them if this movie becomes popular.
Your description of the events are way off base. Even the very biased Amnesty report states
"In 1995 the government paid $3.1m in settlement of a wrongful death claim to the family of a white separatist whose wife and son were shot dead by FBI sharpshooters during a siege in Idaho in 1992"
Notice the word "siege". The FBI agent didn't just walk up to them and shoot them without talking to them. It was a protracted "siege" anytime during which Randy could have...
a) Sent his wife and kids out.
b) surrendered
c) Shot himself (and perhaps his family too)
d) Come out firing taking out a few evil FBI agents and dying in a blaze of glory.
Instead he chose to basically hold his wife and kid hostage. He knew that the FBI would not charge in if women and children were in the house. The fact remains.
He was not willing to be arrested for his beliefs.
He was not willing to be jailed for his beliefs.
He was not willing to die for his beliefs.
He is only willing to whine about his beliefs to the right wing fanatics on talk radio.
It's not about that. It's about lying. The original poster was trying to make it seem like the MS license and the GPL were about the same. He did this by minimizing the worst porion of the license. It was exactly like saying. "except for the cannabilism Jeffrey is a nice guy".
The issue is not the nature it's the way the poster was making his point.
His son was not shot because of what he believed. Like I said if your response to "come out with your hand up" is "fuck you motherfuckers come get me" you should expect to die. Too bad he did not have the balls to send his wife and kid out and face the govt by hinself. He hid behind his wife and kids, told the govt to come and get him, and now whines that his kid got shot. Well duh!. That's what happens to cowards who use their wife and kids as shields.
Nelson Mandela got jailed for decades and tortured for his beliefs but he came out to lead his country. Randy Weaver would not made it a day in a south African Prison we would have broken like a cracker because he is a coward and spineless whiner.
If you are not willing to be arrested for your beliefs, jailed for your beliefs or die for your beliefs then shut the fuck up.
" Yes, I will remember that. So next time I am asked about history I will just tell them that the correct response to the British wasn't "We The People..." but "We The Surrenderers...". I mean, they COULD have just taken it to the British courts, right? "
There is a severe difference betweent he actions of the waco/ruby ridge crowd and your example. History of the world is full of heroic and brave people who were not afraid to be arrested, jailed and even die for what they believed in. These people were not willing to be arrested or jailed or die for their cause. They simply wanted to throw a tantrum and then whine about it endlessly on talk radio. Nelson Madella spent decades behind bars in a brutal south african prisons before emerging as a world leader. Randy weaver would not have made it a day in that jail. He is a coward for hiding behind his wife and kids and leading them slaughter. He should have been a man about it and either fought to the death by himself of went to jail and sacrificed his freedom like Ghandi, or Mandella did. He is a coward of the worst sort.
"Do you believe, in both theory and pratice, that the welfare state is a destructive, addicting, and evil social apparatus?"
Absolutely not. Not only do I think the welfare state is a pragmatic solution to the varied problems our country faces but is in fact the will of the people (in fact it would not have developed if it wasn't wanted by the people). Without it the less populated states would have degenerated into pools of severe poverty and there would be serious disruption of our food, water, energy, wood and mineral supplies. The only way to assure that farmers, ranchers, loggers, etc are able to do their jobs and distribute their good to the vast expanses of the American landscape is with massive federal tax money.
Aside from the practical I also believe that as a country which professes to be Christian there is a moral imperitive from Christ and God to tend to the poor and the less fortunate. If this is a "one country under god" then we better be tending the needs of the wretched. In fact the sermon on the mount is the most "liberal" document ever written and it came out of the mouth of Christ himself.
I don't know where you get this idea that the welfare state is evil. Perhaps you can point to a document where the devil extorts people to help the poor or tend to the sick. It seems like those values come from God not the Devil. If anything Satanism (as practised today) is the closest religion to capitalism I can see. Their main tenant is "do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law". Your ideal of a world where it's every man for himself and the abondenment of the good of the whole is closer to satanism then to Christianity.
If you want to spend your tax refund getting yourself some nice shoes or some golf clubs then fine do it. But don't go around pretending that you are doing some "Moral" or "Just" thing by spending the money buying stuff for yourself. The Moral thing to do would be to sacrifice that money for the greater good. I think giving that money to the EFF would benefit the greater good.
I think Jesus with agree with me and Satan would agree with you.
How would Jesus spend his tax refund? OK that's a trick question. Jesus would be too poor to pay taxes or get a refund.
Whatever happened to NT embedded?
How can you say "aside from this one particularly offensive part" it's less restrictive then the GPL? That's like saying "aside from killing and eating a few people" Jeffrey Dahmer is a nice guy.
"Yes, Java can do most of what .NET will do. However, with .NET it all comes in one attractive package all ready to go. And it will support more than one language."
.NET does nto support any language except C#. Any other language will have to be seriously bastardised to work on the CLR including giving up some serious functionality like multiple inheretance. NONE of your C, C++, VB, or Java apps will run on it without a very serious rewrite. In fact it will never support JAVA or any other language which MS deems a competitor.
Somehow I would seriously doubt it will come in one package. If it's like any other MS product it will come in an insane array dependencies. When I installed the SOAP toolkit I had to upgrade IE to 5.5 and had to download pathched msxml3.dll set too. Just to be able to post to a soap server I had to download about 50 megabytes of stuff and not only that I had to install this crap on every PC in the shop which was going to run the code.
As for your second point.
How can you say it will support multiple languages when it does not support the four most popular languages on the planet? Look at VB.NET it looks nothing like VB 6.0 you might as well learn a whole new language (I guess ms is counting on that).
Intruding actual facts into the wooly cottonbrains of an american sheep hanging out at slashdot will get you modded down. Dontcha know that by now?
For future reference to all Americans.
The proper response to
"This is the FBI, we have you surrounded, Come out with your hands up"
is MOST DEFINATELY NOT
"come and get me mutherfuckers I have guns and am not afraid to use them"
especially if your wife and kid are in the house.
BTW hiding behind his wife and kids was a cowardly act. He should have let them go and faced the FBI alone like a real man at least he would have died a defiant death. Instead he spends his days whining about the evil "guvmit" and the "god-damned niggers and jews".
If it's OK to arrest employees for the conduct of the companies they work for then we should start arresting Microsoft employees. After all Microsoft has been found guilty of breaking laws too.