" In other words, you're not pro-Linux, you're just anti-Microsoft."
I am pro linux. I just recognize that there are a lot of people in this world for whom Linux is not an acceptable solution. For then a Mac is the best second choice.
Take yourself for example. You could not figure out how to go to the OO web site, download an RPM and install it. If you are using windows you are going to run into the same type of problems. You will have to go to a web site, download a zip or an MSI file and install it. If you can't handle downloading an RPM you will most likely not be able to handle a zip file either.
BTW there is nothing wrong with being anti MS. MS is a sleazy unethical company who runs a ruthless monopoly. They constanly lie and are an awowed enemy of Open Source. Their top executive have referred to open source as a cancer and have called the OSS community communists and have even vaguely suggested that we are terrorists.
Make no mistake MS sees the open source community as an evil enemy to be destroyed and publicly smeared whenever possible. They are out to destroy OSS and make no bones about it. As a user of OSS software we should all be anti-MS. MS is trying to destory the products we use and love. We should all learn to fight back lest we become roadkill under the MS juggernaut.
Why did you have to compile OO? Couldn't you download some RPMs and install them?
I agree that Linux is not for everybody. It's definately not for people like you. You should stick with a Mac, you'll have the lots of problems with windows too.
They responded. They took you off their list. You are simply whining that they didn't immediate drop everything and see to your needs.
Why should they treat you like some kind of royalty when you were too stupid to lock down your own configuration? You were the dumfuck here not them. They actually did their jobs. First they blacklisted you because you were stupid then they unblocked you when you fixed your system. What the fuck else do you want?
You are absolutely right. MS stands to gain no matter what happens with this trial.
Outcome A: SCO wins. Ms wins because the GPL is no longer valid. All GPLed code is now public domain and the FSF has to start from zero with a new license.
Outcome B: SCO loses, GPL is valid, SCO gets buried buy the IBM countersuit and the suit from Redhat. MS takes full page ads all over the world saying that SCO got bankrupted because they used GPLed software and it bit them in the end. Use GPL, become bankrupt.
MS wins either way and for a cheap price. I figure in the end they will spend less then 100 million which is a drop in the bucket for MS. The Borland settlement was more then that.
Bill G thinks in the long term. That is why he is able to kill anybody who gets in his way. I know many people here underestimate him but he has crushed many companies and has many more on the ropes. If MS can deliver a blow to Sony so severe that it's staggering think of what it can do OSS.
Bill G is not a nice man. He does not play for second place. He enjoys destroying the competition and "hearing the lamentation of his women?" or in this case "sending their employees to the unemployment line".
"What I do think, is that when they are open-source tools that do things better than their non-open competitors, and have introduced new and innovative features, we're instead highlighting projects like GIMP and OpenOffice, that are essentially just knockoffs."
I guess it's kind of a push for me. OO is not without innovation. For example take the fact that it could be scripted with many languages. To me the biggest "innovation" in OO is the fact that it's format is 100% documented. That enables projects like plone to parse and display OO documents very nicely.
Did you know that if you upload a OO document to plone it will be automatically converted to HTML and indexed? That's the power of open source and open formats. OO enables that.
There is nothing wrong with trying to get OSS replacements for commercial software. MS has "embraced" all kinds of innovations from it's competitors for years now.
Are you really suggesting that OSS should not have an office suite or a GUI because someone else thought of it first?
The real question is where are the MS stockholders. Ms is a public company and they are supposed to be looking out for the interest of their shareholders. Do the MS shareholders approve of MS throwing money at SCO to spread FUD?
I don't know how many people here own a significant share of MS but almost everybody here probably owns some mutual funds that invest in MS. How come none of those fund managers are saying anything.
Finally where do the MS employees stand on this issue. Slashdot has lots of MS employees here what do they think? Speak up MS employees do you approve of what your bosses are doing here?
It's from ZDNET. Do you really expect them to give unqualified praise to any non MS product? This kind of a left handed compliments are the best they can do.
Wait till they review a MP3 player from MS though. It will be better then a cure for cancer and will have no faults whatsoever.
What a clever and witty way to prove that MS and SCO are ethical companies. Bravo my friend. I stand humbled by your wit and wisdom. Clearly I am no match for your brilliant rhetoric.
Of course neither MS not SCO has ever acted unethically. It would be absurd to suspect companies of such high morals. I for one would be SHOCKED if somebody told me that MS or SCO might do something sleazy in order to undermine Linux.
"Just keep in mind that some of the evidence they were convicted on was plainly fabricated."
There was an appeal. The appalate court upheld the verdict unanimously. Two courts and several judges examined all the evidence and came to the same conclusion.
I think I'll ignore your complaint that the all the judges involved were somehow hoodwinked and that the MS lawyers were so awful that they couldn't point out bogus evidence in the trial.
BTW. Bill gates is lucky he is so rich. Otherwise he might have served jail time for witness tampering, evidence tampering and perjury.
It would be nice if somebody from Princeton publicly rebuked him or disawowed his point of view. For example Princeton university could publicly issue a statement that said something like "Mr. Strauss has expressed certain views that are not the views of this university or it's CS dept."
Let's also not forget the the US is the only country in the history of the world to have used nuklear weapons. What's worse we used them twice and on both occations against civillians.
"On another note, what is responsible for the recent surge of anti-free software propaganda? "
A better question is "why has princeton University joined this FUD campaign". If PU had nothing to do with this they will rebuke the guy. If they do nothing then you can presume he did it on behalf of the university.
MS has powerful allies and it seems like they are expanding their list to inclue the ivy league. I think the OSS crowd can survive this but it's really scary how powerful MS and it's allies are.
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" In other words, you're not pro-Linux, you're just anti-Microsoft."
I am pro linux. I just recognize that there are a lot of people in this world for whom Linux is not an acceptable solution. For then a Mac is the best second choice.
Take yourself for example. You could not figure out how to go to the OO web site, download an RPM and install it. If you are using windows you are going to run into the same type of problems. You will have to go to a web site, download a zip or an MSI file and install it. If you can't handle downloading an RPM you will most likely not be able to handle a zip file either.
BTW there is nothing wrong with being anti MS. MS is a sleazy unethical company who runs a ruthless monopoly. They constanly lie and are an awowed enemy of Open Source. Their top executive have referred to open source as a cancer and have called the OSS community communists and have even vaguely suggested that we are terrorists.
Make no mistake MS sees the open source community as an evil enemy to be destroyed and publicly smeared whenever possible. They are out to destroy OSS and make no bones about it. As a user of OSS software we should all be anti-MS. MS is trying to destory the products we use and love. We should all learn to fight back lest we become roadkill under the MS juggernaut.
As a general rule democrats are less likely to trust police. Besides they can't possibly be worse.
Why did you have to compile OO? Couldn't you download some RPMs and install them?
I agree that Linux is not for everybody. It's definately not for people like you. You should stick with a Mac, you'll have the lots of problems with windows too.
"I am in favor of RADICALLY reducing the number of wiretap and eavesdropping authorizations that law enforcement currently enjoys."
Vote for a democrat next time then.
They responded. They took you off their list. You are simply whining that they didn't immediate drop everything and see to your needs.
Why should they treat you like some kind of royalty when you were too stupid to lock down your own configuration? You were the dumfuck here not them. They actually did their jobs. First they blacklisted you because you were stupid then they unblocked you when you fixed your system. What the fuck else do you want?
" Or anybody who thinks that their phone habits are NOBODY ELSE'S DAMN BUSINESS"
What country do you live in? In the US your phone habits are the business of the US govt, more specifically the justice dept anti-terrorism division.
Don't laugh. I bet it will be very popular with drug dealers, criminals and terrorists.
They didn't "conceive" of .NET. They just reimplemented Java. MS did what SUN said they were going to do. That being making JAVA OS.
You are absolutely right. MS stands to gain no matter what happens with this trial.
Outcome A: SCO wins. Ms wins because the GPL is no longer valid. All GPLed code is now public domain and the FSF has to start from zero with a new license.
Outcome B: SCO loses, GPL is valid, SCO gets buried buy the IBM countersuit and the suit from Redhat. MS takes full page ads all over the world saying that SCO got bankrupted because they used GPLed software and it bit them in the end. Use GPL, become bankrupt.
MS wins either way and for a cheap price. I figure in the end they will spend less then 100 million which is a drop in the bucket for MS. The Borland settlement was more then that.
Bill G thinks in the long term. That is why he is able to kill anybody who gets in his way. I know many people here underestimate him but he has crushed many companies and has many more on the ropes. If MS can deliver a blow to Sony so severe that it's staggering think of what it can do OSS.
Bill G is not a nice man. He does not play for second place. He enjoys destroying the competition and "hearing the lamentation of his women?" or in this case "sending their employees to the unemployment line".
"What I do think, is that when they are open-source tools that do things better than their non-open competitors, and have introduced new and innovative features, we're instead highlighting projects like GIMP and OpenOffice, that are essentially just knockoffs."
I guess it's kind of a push for me. OO is not without innovation. For example take the fact that it could be scripted with many languages. To me the biggest "innovation" in OO is the fact that it's format is 100% documented. That enables projects like plone to parse and display OO documents very nicely.
Did you know that if you upload a OO document to plone it will be automatically converted to HTML and indexed? That's the power of open source and open formats. OO enables that.
There is nothing wrong with trying to get OSS replacements for commercial software. MS has "embraced" all kinds of innovations from it's competitors for years now.
Are you really suggesting that OSS should not have an office suite or a GUI because someone else thought of it first?
The real question is where are the MS stockholders. Ms is a public company and they are supposed to be looking out for the interest of their shareholders. Do the MS shareholders approve of MS throwing money at SCO to spread FUD?
I don't know how many people here own a significant share of MS but almost everybody here probably owns some mutual funds that invest in MS. How come none of those fund managers are saying anything.
Finally where do the MS employees stand on this issue. Slashdot has lots of MS employees here what do they think? Speak up MS employees do you approve of what your bosses are doing here?
Please repost this message every time a similar story comes up.
Just brilliant.
Consider the source.
It's from ZDNET. Do you really expect them to give unqualified praise to any non MS product? This kind of a left handed compliments are the best they can do.
Wait till they review a MP3 player from MS though. It will be better then a cure for cancer and will have no faults whatsoever.
"See you again someday soon."
I am sure you will. That's what stalkers do. They follow you around.
BTW I see that you have joined my many stalkers. Welcome and enjoy yourself.
What a clever and witty way to prove that MS and SCO are ethical companies. Bravo my friend. I stand humbled by your wit and wisdom. Clearly I am no match for your brilliant rhetoric.
Of course neither MS not SCO has ever acted unethically. It would be absurd to suspect companies of such high morals. I for one would be SHOCKED if somebody told me that MS or SCO might do something sleazy in order to undermine Linux.
Princeton does not have to rebuke the guy just disavow his views. A simple "he wasn't speaking on behalf of the university" would do.
Interesting analysis. So what you are saying is that it's OK to murder people because they will die eventually anyway.
"Such as?"
Netscape, be.
"Just keep in mind that some of the evidence they were convicted on was plainly fabricated."
There was an appeal. The appalate court upheld the verdict unanimously. Two courts and several judges examined all the evidence and came to the same conclusion.
I think I'll ignore your complaint that the all the judges involved were somehow hoodwinked and that the MS lawyers were so awful that they couldn't point out bogus evidence in the trial.
BTW. Bill gates is lucky he is so rich. Otherwise he might have served jail time for witness tampering, evidence tampering and perjury.
It would be nice if somebody from Princeton publicly rebuked him or disawowed his point of view. For example Princeton university could publicly issue a statement that said something like "Mr. Strauss has expressed certain views that are not the views of this university or it's CS dept."
Something simple like that would go a long way.
Let's also not forget the the US is the only country in the history of the world to have used nuklear weapons. What's worse we used them twice and on both occations against civillians.
"What I learned was that the algorithm and indexing was not the problem but the processing power needed to spider the entire net efficiently."
YOu hit the nail on the head. MS can harvest the power of billions of windows machines by using them as a distributed spidering engine.
This is a perfect way to harness your monopoly.
"On another note, what is responsible for the recent surge of anti-free software propaganda? "
A better question is "why has princeton University joined this FUD campaign". If PU had nothing to do with this they will rebuke the guy. If they do nothing then you can presume he did it on behalf of the university.
MS has powerful allies and it seems like they are expanding their list to inclue the ivy league. I think the OSS crowd can survive this but it's really scary how powerful MS and it's allies are.