" My comment was directed more to the moderators who scored that post of yours insightful/interesting. I'm amazed at the willingness of some to ignore the facts about the regimes in Iran and Cuba. "
That's because my post had nothing to do with the regimes in iran and cuba.
" The Cubans wouldn't have had any reason to accept money from Iran in order to tweak the Americans noses. What an insightful thought! There's your bullshit."
Who cares if they had reason or not? Cubans have lots of reasons to hate us. So do the iranians. Did they do it or not? Do they have the means to do it? DO they have the knowhow? Do they routinely do this? Have they ever done it before? Did they do it again?
US routinely jams signals all over the world. It's much more likely they jammed this one by mistake then for the cubans to do one act of jamming in it's entire history and never repeat it again.
"How does speaking Farsi have anything to do with the ability to jam a broadcast?"
If the jammer didn't understand the transmission then it's more likely to be mistakenly jammed. If the jammer simply saw arabs talking in some language he does not understand then he might have jammed it just because it was arabs.
"The government in Iran, using an intermediary, disables a US sponsored pro-democracy broadcast at the same time pro-democracy forces are planning massive strikes and protests. Or, the US military is trying to jam a specific satellite broadcast and hits the wrong station on the wrong satellite. BTW, any ideas about which station they were trying to block, but missed?"
Considering that the govts of cuba and iran have never done anything like this before or since, considering that the govts of iran and cuba have never really worked together on anything significant ever I'd say the latter. Also they were jamming sattelites and not stations. There are thousands of them and a mistake could have been made very easily. Just like the US military made lots of mistakes in afghanistan and iraq by dropping bombs on the wrong people, firing on wedding parties, rounding up the wrong people they could have made a mistake this time too. Look at how badly the CIA completely muffed the iraq WMD and nuclear weapons issue. You think the US military is some sort of a infallible force?
"Oh wait, the US military doesn't make mistakes. All those bad things, like the journalist who was killed, were *intentional*."
Two possible conclusions.
1) The US military does make mistakes. It did not mean to attrack al zerreza multiple times. It did not mean to kill their journalist, it did not mean to bomb their stations in afghanistan and iraq. It was all a mistake. If the US military is prone to making mistakes in intelligence (and we know that this is the case) then they could have made a mistake this time and unintentionally jammed the signal.
2) The US military does not make mistakes. It meant to kill journalist and innocent civillians. It meant to attack arabic news outlets, the chinese embassy in bosnia, the tribal leaders in afghanistan. In that case the US is just as bad as the govts of Cuba and Iran if not worse.
"A large student protest in Iran was just cancelled by the student leaders, because the theocracy made it clear that if they protested, they would face Tiananmen type reprisals. After the protests were cancelled, the student leaders were abducted by government backed paramilitaries."
OK but what does this have to do with anything I said?
"Meanwhile, let's talk about 'deliberately targetting journalists'. Recently, Cuba used the global news distraction with the war in Iraq to jail large numbers of dissidents, including 26 reporters. See the 'Reporters without Frontiers' website for details."
Cubans target journalists, Americans target journalist. In this regard they are acting in the same way. Are you proud of this? Or are you saying that it's OK for the americans to target journalists because cubans target even more journalists? What exactly is your point?
"Two very oppressive regimes, both with a huge hatred of the US, working together to jam a US sponsored pro-democracy Iranian broadcast at the same time anti-government protests are being planned in Iran."
I don't think any of the jammers knew iranian. The US military makes mistaked like this all the time. Raiding the wrong house, dropping bombs on the wrong town, firing on journalist (well they probably meant to that one).
If things are that bad why aren't there more labels? The RIAA is evil and makes lots of money but couldn't an ethical record company be formed that makes less money but treats artists better?
I know that there are a billion little labels how come one of them is not growing?
"You don't make hardware and software purchase decisions based on politics or your personal feelings. You buy the best for the job at hand at a certain budget. If Solaris on Sparc makes the most sense for the task, then that's what you buy."
You've never worked for a big company have you? In companies decisions to buy are made on the golf course where a total and utter idiot is surrounded by salespeople who wine and dine him. It has nothing to do with technology or features and everything with the quality of the sesame encrusted ahi they served for lunch.
In my company there are dozens of instances where unix and open source products make more sense then the MS crap they keep buying but you can bet your ass Linus never bought my CIO a gold watch.
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No so much for you.
For people who haven't paid for exchange yet.
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"Existing software investments - some people already have an investment in Windows and Outlook on their desktops and are currently running it, even it they may not be talking to an Exchange server."
I don't know what it means to have an investment in outlook. I don't know anybody who actually paid for it.
"Cost of retraining " Outlook is not some complicated software that needs lots of training to use properly. Evolution looks a lot like it. I think most people would be able to switch pretty easily. In the long term it might be worth it to have people switch.
"Lack of Windows alternatives"
Mozilla is probably the stongest candidate here but the opengroupware folk are intending openoffice as the prefered front end.
"You do install the security patches on your system, don't you?"
Every week!
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The next version of the collab suite will kick even more ass. It will be able to "follow you around". For example it will look at your schedule and know that you will be out this week on vacation and forward all your emails to your fax machine or cell phone (or wherever you want).
It also costs $60 per user which is pretty cheap and you can even outsource it which removes all headaches.
But you are right though. None of that matters to MS customers.
"but I won't play it until there's a mod that lets me go AWOL in the jungle of southeast asia, "
George Bush went AWOL for several months while he was in teh guard. Nobody is saying what he was up to but I suspect it had more to do with drinking, coking and fucking young coeds and less to do with making himself a living god to a tribe of natives.
"Right... because a bare subsistence living sounds appealing to me. Really, you over-estimate the safety net that Canada provides. The economy here ain't doing so hot either. There isn't enough money to pay for everyone to be unemployed."
Look you can have subsidence living without working at all. Sounds great to me. All day to do whatever the fuck you want while the govt takes care of food and shelter. If you want more then that then get off your ass work. Bitching and moaning about the GPL ins't going to make you money.
"Mostly the ones where the teamsters have shady mob connections."
In the US assault is a crime. If you get caught you go to jail. We also have pretty good police that can trace genetic evidence and get the person responsible (not that they don't make mistakes mind you they do).
If you are planning on breaking the legs of GPL programmers then be careful. You will most likely get caught and end up in jail. In the US jail is no fun.
you are constantly whining about how you are unable to compete with part time amateur coders. You are whining because you are not allowed to use other peoples labors for your own benefit and profit. You whine about how capitalims has made you poorer and more unhappy.
Ok so what? I don't fucking care about your whiny ass. Move to canada, move to finland, move to any other country that will take you. Move to a country which practices a flavor of capitalism/socialism that makes you happy.
Either that or just fucking kill yourself. If you are unable to cope then end it all. Just don't fucking bother me about it.
It's clear you don't have the talent or the smarts to make it in this country. You are destined to become just another shmuck in this endless sea of shmucks. One day you will get old enough to collect social security and will ride around the country in a winnebago camping in walmart parking lots and buying cheap slave labor chinese goods.
Really man look ahead, what kind of a life are you going to have in 10, 20, 30, 40, or 50 years. How many times are you going to marry and divorce? Are you going to make any difference at all?
MS makes most of it's money from windows and office. Both of those products are now competing with a commodity free version. They use the profits from those products to dump other products on the market like IE, xbox, exchange etc. Without those monopoly subsidies those products would not last long enough on the marketplace to gain a foothold.
In the end MS has to find a way to make monopoly level profits from one or more of their other products. More likely they will simply buy something.
"If only it were so. If the only competition was from hobbyists then there wouldn't be a problem. Unfortunately, there are some misguided companies out there who fund OSS development and ruin it for everyone."
If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. If you are unable to compete get out of the business. That's capitalism.
"Well, yeah. I am kind of sick of always working harder. It used to be that startups expected you to work a lot of overtime, but they paid you well and they lured you in with tons of stock options. Now everyone is in startup mode. Thanks in large part to OSS, there's more and more players fighting for a bigger piece of a shrinking pie."
Move to a more socialist or communist country. That might make your anxiety go away.
" Interesting. You don't want to write your own code, you can't find enough BSD code to steal from, you are not allowed to steal code from the GPL pool so you whine about why you can't make money because you are unable to compete with a bunch of people who code in their spare time.
If only it were so. If the only competition was from hobbyists then there wouldn't be a problem. Unfortunately, there are some misguided companies out there who fund OSS development and ruin it for everyone.
So instead of working harder and making better code you whine on and on about how the GPL is evil and is preventing you from making tons of money off of other peoples backs.
Well, yeah. I am kind of sick of always working harder. It used to be that startups expected you to work a lot of overtime, but they paid you well and they lured you in with tons of stock options. Now everyone is in startup mode. Thanks in large part to OSS, there's more and more players fighting for a bigger piece of a shrinking pie.
You know what you don't deserve to make money. You are just a leech on society.
Yeah... just because I advocate an economic system with a mathematical basis (as opposed to an economic system I read about in "Adam Smith for 3 year olds"), that makes me a leech on society."
WHat makes you a leech is that you want to be able to use other people's code without paying a price. You want to legalize stealing.
" But the idea isn't to make money off of selling the hardware, it's to make money off of selling the software"
If that is the idea then maybe there is something wrong in the first place.
"As consoles become more and more expensive to manufacture you'll see more emphasis placed on the profits produced by games while the manufacturers become willing to almost give the thing they spent $200 building away."
Xbox was designed almost two years ago. It has a lame ass chip that costs significantly less today then it did when it first came out. The fact is that every day the xbox costs less to manufacture. Why do you think it keeps costing more?
"This kind of hacking, if it ever begins to saturate the market, only serves to undermine consoles in general."
Yea right. 0.0001% of the population that will hack this thing is going to disrupt the market.
"Give me a break. Why would it make sense for Microsoft to encourage Linux installs on a product solely meant to play games and movies, when it doesn't even port it's cash cow software for the real desktop OS? "
To sell more xboxes?
Think about it, even if MS lost money on every one sold they would have bragging rights. They could go araound saying that the Xbox is most popular game system and spread FUD around like peanut butter on rye toast.
They have 40 billion in the bank and can afford to lose tens (if not hundreds) of millions dollars to gain a monoply on the game console market.
Also with each passing day the cost of a Xbox goes down and eventually they will actually make money on the thing.
Interesting. You don't want to write your own code, you can't find enough BSD code to steal from, you are not allowed to steal code from the GPL pool so you whine about why you can't make money because you are unable to compete with a bunch of people who code in their spare time.
So instead of working harder and making better code you whine on and on about how the GPL is evil and is preventing you from making tons of money off of other peoples backs.
You know what you don't deserve to make money. You are just a leech on society.
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" Yea Reporters are regualary rounded up in the middle of the night in the USA given trials in kangaroo courts and sentenced to death. "
No they don't get the luxury of a trial of any sort. We simply drop bombs on their stations. Why bother with pesky trials.
" My comment was directed more to the moderators who scored that post of yours insightful/interesting. I'm amazed at the willingness of some to ignore the facts about the regimes in Iran and Cuba. "
That's because my post had nothing to do with the regimes in iran and cuba.
" The Cubans wouldn't have had any reason to accept money from Iran in order to tweak the Americans noses. What an insightful thought! There's your bullshit."
Who cares if they had reason or not? Cubans have lots of reasons to hate us. So do the iranians. Did they do it or not? Do they have the means to do it? DO they have the knowhow? Do they routinely do this? Have they ever done it before? Did they do it again?
US routinely jams signals all over the world. It's much more likely they jammed this one by mistake then for the cubans to do one act of jamming in it's entire history and never repeat it again.
"How does speaking Farsi have anything to do with the ability to jam a broadcast?"
If the jammer didn't understand the transmission then it's more likely to be mistakenly jammed. If the jammer simply saw arabs talking in some language he does not understand then he might have jammed it just because it was arabs.
"The government in Iran, using an intermediary, disables a US sponsored pro-democracy broadcast at the same time pro-democracy forces are planning massive strikes and protests. Or, the US military is trying to jam a specific satellite broadcast and hits the wrong station on the wrong satellite. BTW, any ideas about which station they were trying to block, but missed?"
Considering that the govts of cuba and iran have never done anything like this before or since, considering that the govts of iran and cuba have never really worked together on anything significant ever I'd say the latter. Also they were jamming sattelites and not stations. There are thousands of them and a mistake could have been made very easily. Just like the US military made lots of mistakes in afghanistan and iraq by dropping bombs on the wrong people, firing on wedding parties, rounding up the wrong people they could have made a mistake this time too. Look at how badly the CIA completely muffed the iraq WMD and nuclear weapons issue. You think the US military is some sort of a infallible force?
"Oh wait, the US military doesn't make mistakes. All those bad things, like the journalist who was killed, were *intentional*."
Two possible conclusions.
1) The US military does make mistakes. It did not mean to attrack al zerreza multiple times. It did not mean to kill their journalist, it did not mean to bomb their stations in afghanistan and iraq. It was all a mistake. If the US military is prone to making mistakes in intelligence (and we know that this is the case) then they could have made a mistake this time and unintentionally jammed the signal.
2) The US military does not make mistakes. It meant to kill journalist and innocent civillians. It meant to attack arabic news outlets, the chinese embassy in bosnia, the tribal leaders in afghanistan. In that case the US is just as bad as the govts of Cuba and Iran if not worse.
So which is it?
"A large student protest in Iran was just cancelled by the student leaders, because the theocracy made it clear that if they protested, they would face Tiananmen type reprisals. After the protests were cancelled, the student leaders were abducted by government backed paramilitaries."
OK but what does this have to do with anything I said?
"Meanwhile, let's talk about 'deliberately targetting journalists'. Recently, Cuba used the global news distraction with the war in Iraq to jail large numbers of dissidents, including 26 reporters. See the 'Reporters without Frontiers' website for details."
Cubans target journalists, Americans target journalist. In this regard they are acting in the same way. Are you proud of this? Or are you saying that it's OK for the americans to target journalists because cubans target even more journalists? What exactly is your point?
"Two very oppressive regimes, both with a huge hatred of the US, working together to jam a US sponsored pro-democracy Iranian broadcast at the same time anti-government protests are being planned in Iran."
I call bullshit.
I don't think any of the jammers knew iranian. The US military makes mistaked like this all the time. Raiding the wrong house, dropping bombs on the wrong town, firing on journalist (well they probably meant to that one).
If things are that bad why aren't there more labels? The RIAA is evil and makes lots of money but couldn't an ethical record company be formed that makes less money but treats artists better?
I know that there are a billion little labels how come one of them is not growing?
Something seems wrong here.
"You don't make hardware and software purchase decisions based on politics or your personal feelings. You buy the best for the job at hand at a certain budget. If Solaris on Sparc makes the most sense for the task, then that's what you buy."
You've never worked for a big company have you? In companies decisions to buy are made on the golf course where a total and utter idiot is surrounded by salespeople who wine and dine him. It has nothing to do with technology or features and everything with the quality of the sesame encrusted ahi they served for lunch.
In my company there are dozens of instances where unix and open source products make more sense then the MS crap they keep buying but you can bet your ass Linus never bought my CIO a gold watch.
No so much for you.
For people who haven't paid for exchange yet.
"Existing software investments - some people already have an investment in Windows and Outlook on their desktops and are currently running it, even it they may not be talking to an Exchange server."
I don't know what it means to have an investment in outlook. I don't know anybody who actually paid for it.
"Cost of retraining "
Outlook is not some complicated software that needs lots of training to use properly. Evolution looks a lot like it. I think most people would be able to switch pretty easily. In the long term it might be worth it to have people switch.
"Lack of Windows alternatives"
Mozilla is probably the stongest candidate here but the opengroupware folk are intending openoffice as the prefered front end.
"You do install the security patches on your system, don't you?"
Every week!
The next version of the collab suite will kick even more ass. It will be able to "follow you around". For example it will look at your schedule and know that you will be out this week on vacation and forward all your emails to your fax machine or cell phone (or wherever you want).
It also costs $60 per user which is pretty cheap and you can even outsource it which removes all headaches.
But you are right though. None of that matters to MS customers.
MS was being tried by the govt. You think that was only small/home business market?
The govt could have split them up you know.
"but I won't play it until there's a mod that lets me go AWOL in the jungle of southeast asia, "
George Bush went AWOL for several months while he was in teh guard. Nobody is saying what he was up to but I suspect it had more to do with drinking, coking and fucking young coeds and less to do with making himself a living god to a tribe of natives.
He saved that for after he became president.
You are right.
Most CIOs are exactly that stupid.
Your post and many others on this topic seem to indicate that .NET is used mostly for web apps.
.NET has been lumped into the web app ghetto where it competes with php and perl.
I find that interesting.
You can start a union if you want. I bet most geeks won't join though.
Of course starting a union is actual work so you might be all that interested.
"Right... because a bare subsistence living sounds appealing to me. Really, you over-estimate the safety net that Canada provides. The economy here ain't doing so hot either. There isn't enough money to pay for everyone to be unemployed."
Look you can have subsidence living without working at all. Sounds great to me. All day to do whatever the fuck you want while the govt takes care of food and shelter. If you want more then that then get off your ass work. Bitching and moaning about the GPL ins't going to make you money.
"Mostly the ones where the teamsters have shady mob connections."
In the US assault is a crime. If you get caught you go to jail. We also have pretty good police that can trace genetic evidence and get the person responsible (not that they don't make mistakes mind you they do).
If you are planning on breaking the legs of GPL programmers then be careful. You will most likely get caught and end up in jail. In the US jail is no fun.
If you live in canada then your basic needs are taken care of. You could be unemployed and won't starve.
Really there is no need for you to whine and moan about the GPL.
"You know, in a lot of industries, if a bunch of upstart punks tried to do someone else's work for free, they'd get their legs broken."
Really? Which ones?
Once again answer the main charge.
you are constantly whining about how you are unable to compete with part time amateur coders. You are whining because you are not allowed to use other peoples labors for your own benefit and profit. You whine about how capitalims has made you poorer and more unhappy.
Ok so what? I don't fucking care about your whiny ass. Move to canada, move to finland, move to any other country that will take you. Move to a country which practices a flavor of capitalism/socialism that makes you happy.
Either that or just fucking kill yourself. If you are unable to cope then end it all. Just don't fucking bother me about it.
It's clear you don't have the talent or the smarts to make it in this country. You are destined to become just another shmuck in this endless sea of shmucks. One day you will get old enough to collect social security and will ride around the country in a winnebago camping in walmart parking lots and buying cheap slave labor chinese goods.
Really man look ahead, what kind of a life are you going to have in 10, 20, 30, 40, or 50 years. How many times are you going to marry and divorce? Are you going to make any difference at all?
Just end it man, do the rest of us a favor.
MS makes most of it's money from windows and office. Both of those products are now competing with a commodity free version. They use the profits from those products to dump other products on the market like IE, xbox, exchange etc. Without those monopoly subsidies those products would not last long enough on the marketplace to gain a foothold.
In the end MS has to find a way to make monopoly level profits from one or more of their other products. More likely they will simply buy something.
"If the GPL do such a change, many people will feel betrayed and stop GPLing their software and they will stop using GPLed software too."
Somehow I think this is your wet dream scenario. I think you are engaging in wishful thinking and not any serious analysis here.
"Did I say it keeps costing more?"
Why yes you did. Now go back re-read your own god damned post.
"If only it were so. If the only competition was from hobbyists then there wouldn't be a problem. Unfortunately, there are some misguided companies out there who fund OSS development and ruin it for everyone."
If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. If you are unable to compete get out of the business. That's capitalism.
"Well, yeah. I am kind of sick of always working harder. It used to be that startups expected you to work a lot of overtime, but they paid you well and they lured you in with tons of stock options. Now everyone is in startup mode. Thanks in large part to OSS, there's more and more players fighting for a bigger piece of a shrinking pie."
Move to a more socialist or communist country. That might make your anxiety go away.
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Interesting. You don't want to write your own code, you can't find enough BSD code to steal from, you are not allowed to steal code from the GPL pool so you whine about why you can't make money because you are unable to compete with a bunch of people who code in their spare time.
If only it were so. If the only competition was from hobbyists then there wouldn't be a problem. Unfortunately, there are some misguided companies out there who fund OSS development and ruin it for everyone.
So instead of working harder and making better code you whine on and on about how the GPL is evil and is preventing you from making tons of money off of other peoples backs.
Well, yeah. I am kind of sick of always working harder. It used to be that startups expected you to work a lot of overtime, but they paid you well and they lured you in with tons of stock options. Now everyone is in startup mode. Thanks in large part to OSS, there's more and more players fighting for a bigger piece of a shrinking pie.
You know what you don't deserve to make money. You are just a leech on society.
Yeah... just because I advocate an economic system with a mathematical basis (as opposed to an economic system I read about in "Adam Smith for 3 year olds"), that makes me a leech on society."
WHat makes you a leech is that you want to be able to use other people's code without paying a price. You want to legalize stealing.
" But the idea isn't to make money off of selling the hardware, it's to make money off of selling the software"
If that is the idea then maybe there is something wrong in the first place.
"As consoles become more and more expensive to manufacture you'll see more emphasis placed on the profits produced by games while the manufacturers become willing to almost give the thing they spent $200 building away."
Xbox was designed almost two years ago. It has a lame ass chip that costs significantly less today then it did when it first came out. The fact is that every day the xbox costs less to manufacture. Why do you think it keeps costing more?
"This kind of hacking, if it ever begins to saturate the market, only serves to undermine consoles in general."
Yea right. 0.0001% of the population that will hack this thing is going to disrupt the market.
"Give me a break. Why would it make sense for Microsoft to encourage Linux installs on a product solely meant to play games and movies, when it doesn't even port it's cash cow software for the real desktop OS? "
To sell more xboxes?
Think about it, even if MS lost money on every one sold they would have bragging rights. They could go araound saying that the Xbox is most popular game system and spread FUD around like peanut butter on rye toast.
They have 40 billion in the bank and can afford to lose tens (if not hundreds) of millions dollars to gain a monoply on the game console market.
Also with each passing day the cost of a Xbox goes down and eventually they will actually make money on the thing.
Interesting. You don't want to write your own code, you can't find enough BSD code to steal from, you are not allowed to steal code from the GPL pool so you whine about why you can't make money because you are unable to compete with a bunch of people who code in their spare time.
So instead of working harder and making better code you whine on and on about how the GPL is evil and is preventing you from making tons of money off of other peoples backs.
You know what you don't deserve to make money. You are just a leech on society.
I hadn'd heard about that project. Thanks.