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Few Companies Change Linux Plans Despite SCO Suit
gaurab writes "A survey on Internetweek says 'SCO's Linux lawsuit and threats seem to be having little affect on IT managers except to make them angry. Fully 91 percent of people responding to an InternetWeek Reader Question said they will not change their Linux deployment plans as a result of SCO's actions.' The article is also available at Yahoo!"
Yeah, they still are not going to use linux :)
Read the Yahoo article (I know, I'm not supposed to -- this is /.) and it really just reiterates all the comments that have already been posted here over the last few weeks. I guess with some additional creedence from the thoughts of those folks that are higher up in the "food chain".
This is a relief to see that the PHB-types are not buying into the FUD either. I wonder what logic Sontag would come up with to explain that statistic...?
....or something to that effect.
"All Linux users are thieves to begin with, we will crush them with our mighty IP!"
If you can't beat them, arrange to have them beaten. -George Carlin
What are the other 9% thinking? Does anyone out there believe that SCO's and IBM's contractual dispute can do anything to make Linux liable in any way?
(Event SCO itself said that Linux users are not going to be liable in any case).
Its sad that some people are actually buying into this Microsoft-backed FUD.
Have you ever been to a turkish prison?
I'd be more interested in the 9% of people who said the suit *is* affecting their decisions. What are the reasons behind that response?
Shutting down free speech with violence isn't fighting fascism. It IS fascism!
I guess that goes to show you - 56.2% of all statistics are untrue.
who aren't pulling out as a knee jerk action. SCO needs to file a lawsuit against the entity responsible for revealing the code and get it over with. If the judge decides certain Linux code is infringing SCO's work, then it will be pulled and replaced with a new implementation in a few weeks. Now if only SCO will play show and tell for the world and show us what is infringing without playing any funny tricks like NDA contracts. Yep even the big boys need to play show and tell.
Speaking of which... this is my pee-pee place! Oh yeah..
That survey is of course meaningless unless we can link it to peoples pre-existant deployment plans. If they weren't planning to deploy linux anyway, it doesn't mean much.
Just an obvious point - it's still better than a lot of people saying that they plan to stop using it.
I don't know anyone who uses any of the BSD variants anymore, and Mac OS X doesn't count. No, it doesn't.
Here is a one line synopsis of the article:
If SCO wins, we'll worry about changing our approach. Since this hasn't occurred, we're not going to act like it already has.
Why would they do anything else? Let's start laying our developers and support teams off because SCO MIGHT be able to shut us down.
Even if SCO wins, the Linux corporations will likely find another path to offer what they've offered in the past: a quality software alternative to windows.
Is this really news?
9% (give or take) is still an awful lot. And we are only at the beginning of the SCO troubles... perhaps this number would ramp up as the trial further progresses?
/.'s main page. Only a banner flash ad, but what is up with that?
And PS: I just got a flash ad on
If a Fortune 500 company is using Linux and SCO prevails, you don't think that's going to prompt the PHBs to dictate a change in OS? Yeah, the geeks in the trenches don't care, but tell that to the company's law department.
BTW, yeah, yeah; If SCO wins, there will be an appeal. However, the damage is already done. What business is going to wait and rely on a higher court overturning the ruling?
The reason they won't use linux is because of the GTK FILE DIALOG! Fix it, and 99.9% will use linux. Add split pane in nautilus and the other 0.1% (thats me) Will use it.
You won't like them when they're angry.
Less so when they're not.
... we've been much to busy uninstalling AIX to worry about linux.
That other 1 company is a Microsoft/SCO/Evil company of the week Puppet!
Slashdot really does get around!
Dacels Jewelers can't be trusted.
we're rolling out MORE Linux! Hey, thanks SCO!!
RIAA: ignored music piracy until it was too late. now is trying to regain ground.
SCO: Missed the technology boom, now trying to regain ground.
How do EITHER of these mindless organizations think they will succeed?
-n
sorry.
To the attention span and the attention to detail :)
that the kind of manager that would implement an
open source solution for a problem would possess.
It's obvious that when you are dealing with a
company already smart enough to pursue a GNU/Linux
solution for a problem, they are going to be smart
enough to see through SCO's obvious bullshit.
For every annoying gentoo user, are three even more annoying anti-gentoo crybabies. Take Yosh from #Gimp for example.
In public SCO will say you should never use Linux . In court, sued for defamation, they will say their advice had no effect.
Friends don't help friends install M$ junk.
Hell, the whole wonderful story is hyperlinked! Thanks, AC, for restoring a legend.
My company is currently porting our flagship product to Linux (just runs on one commercial Unix based OS at the moment) this is due to overwelming requests for a Linux version from our bluschip client base. The SCO issue has not had the slightest effect on our plans or our clients.
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Lets all email em and let em know this is BS. Im sure after 50k emails roll in they will get the idea ;)
Someone has poisoned the water-hole!
I need more !!!!
of that %19, %100 said noone noticed, even when the SCSI disks gave a last, belated whine and emitted the magic smoke.
another %6 answered that, after numerous beers on a friday night, they had actually urinated on their last remaining SCO server.
of those %6, %35 admitted to accidentally hitting the power supply.
of that %35, %15 said it was the best thrill they had in the past year. The other %65 just clutched their genitalia while answering the question.
PC moderators can suck my White pierced, tattooed dick. If you think pride == hate, s/dick/Aryan meat mallet/g.
Result of the survey: 91% stay with Linux and the other 9% got free hardware with windows on it
There are two kinds of egotists: 1) Those who admit it 2) The rest of us
91% will not change their plans.
That means that 9% WILL.
It's probable, based on the nature of the case, that they will not be changing their plans in favor of linux.
Also, of the remaining 91%, how many of them planned to not use Linux at all? If only 9% of IT managers planned to use Linux in the first place, and now 9% of them are changing their minds, then that would indicate that Linux is about to get wiped out. That can't be the case either, but it's one possible interpretation of the figures.
Bottom line: Statistics can be used to make convincing lies. Most surveys are unscientific in the extreme. And SCOX is still a bunch of bastards.
No shit. Any IT Manager/Systems Admin with half a brain can see right through SCO's bogus claims. What I'm more interested in finding out is what the management (e.g. CEO, president, board) of a company running Linux servers thinks about it, assuming they're up to speed with the whole issue.
After all, it doesn't really matter if the IT department is still willing to maintain its deployment of Linux; though they'll undoubtedly have a say in the matter; the final decision will more than likely rest with the management.
We are decommissioning Unixware boxes and replacing them with Linux as fast as we can!!!
In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
This means that 9% of companies have already made a concrete decision based on a case yet to reach the courts. How many more companies are having doubts? How many more companies will change their position when this receives more coverage? How many more companies intend to change their policies in the future? How many companies are deciding that they are right to stay with Windows in the near future? How much is this hurting Linux's image?
9% is the tip of the iceberg. And gung-ho is the last thing the Linux community should be
((lambda x ((x))) (lambda x ((x))))
Not to troll, but if he's referring to typical for(i=0; ;i++) loops and the like, I'm pretty certain SCO's not dumb enough to claim such one-liner code fragments are theirs.
You can claim that there are only a limited number of ways to do things only for small parts of code, but SCO was claiming it for large functions, etc...for which his argument falls through.
An Indian-American Hindu committed to non-violent thought/speech/action alarmed by the global explosion of radical Islam
...some people are smoking cigarettes even if it causes them cancer in the end.
Just because many companies sticking to Linux won't give us any victory over SCO.
We all know that IT managers are often reported to understand both technical and legal issues very little. Many of the might not have realized the true extend of SCO's claims - Linux as a derivative work of AT&T unix belongs to SCO - and the possible implications - if SCO wins they can eliminate all Linux licences.
I doubt that SCO will be successful but a suitably fucked court ruling can surprise us all. You must admit that the missing reliability of the US legal system has reached a point at which the ruling a relatively random and useful as e.g. a court decision in Liberia. The most annoying problem is that in Liberia you can circumvent these issues by either bribing the judge or bringing your collection of AK-74s to the court which is still rather ill advised in the US.
Therefore I would never trust any sensible outcome in the US and with a responsible position in IT I would switch to FreeBSD as soon as possible. Most Linux software runs on FreeBSD anyways, so no real problem there.
Owner of a Mensa membership card.
When dealing with the PHB's the real issue is probably a matter of presentation. A good script might look like this:
"At this point you KNOW you'll have to pay Microsoft. You only have to pay for Linux IF SCO first manages to beat IBM's lawyers in court, which is unlikely and will take a minimum of five years, AND if they are then successful in suing whatever Linux company we purchase services from, which is also unlikely, because during discovery, kernal maintainers will learn which code SCO claims is theirs and re-write the offending bits."
Know what you're going to say before you're asked the question.
And you shouldn't either. Anyone who makes their business decisions like this based on what SCO has said deserves to lose.
SCO
Linux
Lawsuit
Furthermore, SCO, SCO, GNU/SCO, IBM, Unix, Linux, patents, damn patents, damn the patents, let them eat patents. In other news:
Horse assaulted posmortem
Red cross finds new hemoglobin source in rock quarry
The real message when you read between the lines is one we have all known for a long time. SCO is killing themselves with this suit. Animosity is all they will win whether the case is in their favor or not. They have pissed everyone off.
I am also guessing someday we will find that Microsoft offered it's legal department to help SCO with this. They lose nothing, and COULD eliminate two competitors with one stroke.
"Curiosity killed the cat, but for a while I was a suspect."- Steven Wright
Another online survey at Slashdot says 'Fully 24% of People beleive that .NET is the largest threat to humanity.'
In other news, Slashdot editors still insist that if you're using these numbers for anything meaningful, you're insane.
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Nice to see this story now, because today we started looking into replacing UnixWare with Linux, on the main systems of one of our biggest clients. Support for Unixware by hardware vendors is getting less and less...
karma capped
I liked this comment:
"It sounds to me as if SCO is nailing its own coffin shut from the inside: why ever would an organization continue to do business with a vendor that threatens to sue everyone in sight?"
Did you expect anyone who has a considerable investment going on in to linux based products , to move away from linux , just because some one sued IBM ?
And do you expect, anyone not at all interested in linux, just start deployinf linux , just to fcuk with SCO ?
THE BIG RULE OF BUSINESS is
Lawsuits, or no lawsuits, business MUST GO ON...
So please stop this nonsense.
for the last time people, I am "frodo from middle eaRTH", not "middle eaST".
Except for the kit that needs to speak to the rest of the world, of course.
oh brave new world, that has such people in it!
People making REAL business decisions. Not the mythical cave and under-bridge dwellling creatures that tend to inhabit that web site destructive land we call /.
We're all going with Apple Mac OS X. We never even considered Linux after we saw what it could do. The Apple platform is consistent, fast, and robust. Despite the best efforts of the open source community over the last 10 years, it is clear to our company that commercial closed source software like OS X still rules the roost.
I find it hard to believe people who were informed and brave enough to switch over to Linux changed their plans because of an obvious vapor-suit. The 9% yes answer means they are at "least thinking about" "reducing their Linux deployment," which could mean as little as one of the geeks hypothetically asked "What do we do if SCO wins?" and someone said "Stop using Linux."
It's nothing but crumpled porno and Ayn Rand.
One of my current projects involves moving some old code from Siemens off of SCO boxes, and moving it onto Linux boxes so that we can permanently get rid of SCO. Muahaha. I felt so dirty after touching that SCO machine yesterday though. Eww.
Mike.
Mmmm......sacrelicious.
Why would anyone want to move away from Linux when it is free as in beer AND free as in speech. Software is a human right that everyone should have unlimited and unfettered access too. The FSF with the GNU project is ensuring that this right is not trampled on by the greedy slovenly hordes in the corporate world. The time has come to do battle with the corporate money-mongerers and show them that they have erred in assuming that we are going to take this lying down! I suggest we start with Darl McBride. Someone find his home address and publish it on the Internet. We can then make a concerted effort to destroy his life and make him a broken man. He's had it far too easy. But he doesn't realize that with the open source/free software crowd, he is not messing with people who take such things lightly. Darl McBride is a dead man. Mark my words. If his end is not brought abuot by one of us. It will surely be brought about by his own hand when he realizes how worthless his life really is after the SCO vs. IBM suit.
Ahem.
Linux is a bit of a flood fill phenomenon. You get these high profile vocal hold out areas who will suddenly not be implementing their large top down projects.
In the meantime, Linux will just continue quietly flood filling in the background, eating up everything, almost completely unnoticed by the management.
SCO are irrelevant, Microsoft are irrelevant, IBM are irrelevant, RedHat are irrelevant, SuSE are irrelevant, large top down Linux projects are also irrelevant, they make up a tiny tiny percentage of Linux usage.
Government of the people, by corporate executives, for corporate profits.
you know it.
but you're cool cause you're obscure, baby.
So should SCO's "actions" at some point in time include winning their case 91% of Linux deployers would NOT cut their losses and pay the sco tax? Nah.
People are too optimistic. We still have no details. We assume a lot but no one really knows what they have up their sleeves. And I would also be weary of the court's common sense and dedication to serious investigation and comprehension of the terms used ("source code", "kernel", you name it). And that is assuming it impartial to begin with. Can't even be sure about that.
I agree with many people that the USL/BSDi case will be considered precedental (sp) and despite some differences I feel this is correct. If that case is carefully studied by the court things aren't looking bad.
... that CEOs and Presidents will read this article and see that (despite what the /. crowd thinks of statistics) an overwhelming majority isn't changing their plans in responce to this. Keep the CEOs interested and the IT department can play whatever cards it chooses.
Yeah, just like companies all quaked in fear over the GIF tax.
SCO has earned eternal status as a punchline of rude jokes.
Expanding on Jeremy Gross' point, are there any domains in which a purchaser/user of a product which has (allegedly) incorporated others' IP can be held personally liable?
If I buy a CD recorded by a musician who has "sampled" another's song and incorporated in his track, surely I cannot be held liable for this, or even required to return the CD.
If my copy of the New York Times includes and article which the author has plaigarized from another source, I doubt any legal authority is going to "recall" my newspaper, or prosecute me for my quarter investment.
These seem more directly pertinent than the Mazda-Ford analogy, as a Linux distro seems more like a publication than a physical product, though the same principle, I would think, applies.
Perhaps the issue grows slightly murkier in the case of a downloaded copy of Linux; in this case conceivably the argument could be made that the user has personally copied a copyrighted chunk of code. Maybe for thorough self-protection, Linux sysadmins would be best advised to buy an off-the-shelf distro of Linux, to point at if the lawyers ever show up.
If this threat/argument from SCO ends up being found baseless and/or absurd, aren't they in the position of having interfered with the business of several thousand companies via their letters, baselessly and in pursuit of money, i.e. "extortion"?
~ Whence do you come, slayer of men, or where are you going, conqueror of space?
Ire dem say you don't want AIX anymore. Come with me on my space ship and use a Mac. My feedback is deadly. Victory or death I have to say. When is pot going to be legalized? .oO0Oo.
If I were a CIO or CTO debating the TCO of *nix vs. Win2K3 to a CEO, would IBM vs. SCO be the TKO that stops the CEO from approving A/P to pay my PO for RH's LGX?
:D
FWIW, even if OSS is FAIB, if the DOJ considers *nix IP with a TM, then it basically become's SCO's LIC, meaning our OSS becomes a CSS OS, which would RSTBO.
AIBO going w/ an ASP that manages our OS? BTA, we might end up w/ a BOFH giving us ZA, which WWAD PMS.
AFAIK, INMP if SCO wants to be ITM by enforcing its supposed IPR - *nix IP should be PD or GNU, like BSD just on GP, IYKWIM. I keep asking myself in this situation - WWLD?
Oh, BTW - IITYWIMWYBMAD?
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had to... this is getting as amusing as the 'in soviet russia' || '*bsd is dying' || 'hot grits' || 'beowulf' jokes...
Fucking idiot. Thinks I'm too fucking dumb to recognise the fucking lyric. You calling me an asshole? You're just a common fuckhead, Asspussy, think you're so fucking cool because you posted lyrics and it took too long in your opinion for someone to recognise them. FUCK YOU AND DIE!
... Not.
:-)
No matter how many stories about this lawsuit
(funny or otherwise) I stick to the local
bulletin boards (i.e., non-electronic) the
less changes.
We get our Linux workstations, they (mgmt)
get their PC's and they keep sending Word
documents around (because, how else could I
highlight the important portions
Cheers,
Toon Moene (current GNU Fortran maintainer).
Yeah, now doesn't it just bug you that the one guy who will make the final decision is just that-- one guy? Look at this guy. Not so much as a shred of technology-related knowledge from the look of him.
People seem to miss the possibility that the full 9% may have responded that way, simply because they have put contigency plans into place. Just in case.
Man have we been busy... Ever since SCO revoked IBMs license, the PHBs have been freaking out. They gave us 30 days to make the move, we argued that it would probably take two years.
The PHBs got together to discuss it and agreed with us and gave us 30 + 2 days to get it done. We then had to explain the differences between 'day' and 'year', which took a long time because to explain 'day', we had to first get them to understand the difference between 'light' and 'dark'. Boy were they excited when they figured out there actually was a reason behind wearing their stylish wrist devices!!
Then we tangented off to several meeting about finding a reason for the stylish things they tie around their necks. Never were able to figure that one out, even with all us techies there to assist.
But, we are now allowed to come to work naked as long as we have a stylish wrist device!
We now have 13 days remaining to make the switch from AIX. We are simply moving everything to Linux, but putting up a custom message that says "SuperOS" instead of "Linux" or "AIX" and they seem nice and calm again.
Stupid fux...
Anyone know if the judge is mormon?
<3 Sexual Asspussy <3
Yahoo!
*twitch*
Not to rain on the parade here but I read that as "9% of current-or-soon-to-be users of Linux are changing their plans about Linux because of SCO. That translates to many, many thousands. That isn't good at all.
My
Limekiller
"Please close your threads when they begin to get stale."
Okay, I'm shutting this one down. Good effort, everybody. See you tomorrow.
I'm the network tech manager / sysadmin for a small city govt and we had been planning for over a year to migrate away from our present NT4-based network and go to Linux and Samba, but the FUD from this lawsuit has instead convinced the city administration to stop our Linux project dead in its tracks and allocate nearly $100K to "upgrade" (sic) to Windows 2003 instead. It gets even worse... we were also just about to buy a new RS6000/p630 6C4 machine to replace an aging H50 server that runs Oracle, but instead our IT dept is now being micromanaged-ordered to move all the Oracle databases off AIX and onto a Windows box instead, which is going to be real fun, since the financial apps that use those Oracle databases have tons of ksh scripts imbedded in them and I'm going to have to figure out how to port all that stuff to run on a Windows server environment instead. I just hope that the Cygwin environment and bash shell will allow me to get me there.
He's the most brilliant troll I've ever seen. A troll so good that he can troll when he's dead on right about something so well that I can't see the trollishness. He should run for public office. At the same time you should give props where they are due and stop hating so much. It's not healthy.
Secondly, the "Yes" category included the "Maybe" category. In order for this to be more meaningful, those who would considering reducing their Linux deployment should be distinct from those who are definately reducing their Linux deployment. I am tempted to think that this inflates the number of the "Yes" category.
I am willing to speculate that those people who have decided to unequivically dump their Linux installations are fewer than 9% of the people surveyed. I would also speculate that these same people do not have extensive Linux deployment in one way or another, or cheap compute nodes are not vital to their market segment.
SCO is literrally the spawn of Microsoft, twice removed on its mother's side. :)
It's getting old ain't it? We just need one crazy mofo at SCO to go postal and then maybe we'll finally have some peace and quiet around here.
I see that a number of the respondents are indeed worried about the SCO FUD and are adjusting their perspectives accordingly....
to one of the BSD's.
Note BSD, not microsoft, but *BSD.
I find it quite ironic that the *BSDs, which lost a lot of time and energy and publicity due to the USL suit in the '90s, which ended up favouring Linux, may be the favoured ones in this round of FUD attacks by dead_but_sueing_to_swim crowd.
...weren't going to deploy Linux beforehand but decided they will now - just to piss SCO off.
W00T! First Smiths fanboy post!
and btw, that should be "hard-faced three word gesture". Obviously.
"Note: I'm flaming, but not at you personally."
Woah, I thought that the Internet was supposed to be relatively anonymous... I don't need to know your sexual orientation.
Do not look into laser with remaining eye.
This is a survey, people!
You know, like the ones where nine out of ten serving law enforcement officers are absolutely definitely thinking of quitting by the end of next week - if they don't get a 50% pay rise.
Of course, in the real world, the end of next week comes around and nothing much has changed - hey, donuts don't just give themselves away to civilians you know!
All of which is a bit unfair on the five-oh, but I reckon they're old and tough enough to take it.
But my point is this - there's a world of difference between:
a) What people say they're going to do in public, where they are bold, fearless, forthright and striving for the common good.
b) What people are actually going to do (in private), because they are, well, human. Weak, flawed, fearful and sometimes mean and greedy.
T&K.
Political language
FUCK YOU SCO
SCO GO FUCK YOURSELF
ya ya ya
oh and visit my website at www.fuckyouintheassSCO.com
SCO and Microsoft can complain all they want but the bottom line is choice and it's a choice people are deciding to move away from proprietary software.
SCO and Microsoft and anyone else are not going to take choice away from people. And anyone complaining about consumers having such a choice only shows the true nature of the complainers.
that means nothing.
I don't know if anyone's noted this yet (I'm too lazy to read through the replies) but SCO's site runs on Linux, and somehow that makes me think they have little faith in their own offerings. Maybe if the court case goes well and they manage to pay off a judge or two the CEO can get away with enough dough to live an affluent, happy life far, far away.
You are suggesting that it is not illegal to possess infringing material.
...if SCO wins even their first legal battle.
Whether or not a legal authority would recall your copy of the New York Times does not answer the question of whether or not it is legal to possess an infringing copy of the New York Times.
If it is illegal to possess an infrining copy, a legal authority still might not recall the infrining copies if it is incredibly inefficient to do so, or your possessing the infrining copy does not have any potential for significant financial or other market place harm to the copyright holder.
But this is beside the point, because in the case of the Linux kernel, we are not concerned primarily with mere posession, but instead with continued use.
If you continue to use your Linux-based system for commercial purposes after it has been found to contain infringing code, then it seems much more plausible that you may be held liable for any financial or other market harm done to the copyright holder by your continued use of code which infringes upon theiir copyright.
Certainly it seems that SCO could prevent you from redistributing your copy.
It also seems possible that SCO will not permit you to resolve this continued infringing use simply by paying a licensing fee, but may instead demand that you cease using the infringing code altogether.
I am not in any sense a lawyer, but it seems to me that the issue will be much more complex than you make it out to be,
You can claim that there are only a limited number of ways to do things only for small parts of code, but SCO was claiming it for large functions, etc...for which his argument falls through.
I guess it depends on what the functions are doing. If they're common stuff like, say, a binary search function or extensions to string handling, then the functions will be similar because the algorithms are.
Vino, gyno, and techno -Bruce Sterling
(Appropriate alternative lyrics to "Buddy Holly" by Weezer)
What's with these losers threatening us
Why won't they get a clue
Why are they wasting those legal fees
Instead of inventing something new
Ooh ooh, IBM they dissed
Ooh ooh, now they're really pissed
Ooh ooh... They picked the wrong foe!
SCO: what a bunch of fucking morons
Oh oh fuck their bogus IP claims
I don't care what they say about suing
i don't care 'bout that
"Oooh, does that mean we get to kick some puffy white mad zionist butt?"
I know we have plenty of great advocates. Let's welcome another: /. guys are about spelling ...)
From the linked article:
Eric O'Dell, senior systems and database administrator, Visionary Networks, Portland, Ore
This is just a sad case of a mismanaged company without any talent or innovation of its own using lawyers to parasitize the IT industry.
Well done sir. Very ballsy, and spot on. Now added to my favourites (sorry, a Scot, so I use the 'u' - I know hot picky you
David Ihnat, consultant, Chicago, IL:... I will never buy an SCO product again; I will never recommend an SCO product to my clients; and I will actively promote replacement of any SCO products I encounter at client sites. And I'm not the only person I've spoken with who feels this way.
So this guy's talking to himself now? These days are dark.
Thanks a lot, I just ate.
Bastard
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"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
Take that all you "BSD is dead"ers!
my old sig is obsolete, and I haven't come up with a stupid enough new one yet
I dont know A good statisticion with studies can rip that person right left and center so that there is nothing left on the stand. It is not hard to expose people obscuring facts. You just have to realize they doing it. I got my local provincial government to not use averages and use weighted averages so they dont pretend there is no problem with Natural gas prices here as they introduced somthing they called deregulation. All it took was showing the diffrence of the two numbers and explaining why one is valid and the other isn't.
Is it just me or does eanyone else thing that linux will purge all offensive code before the appeal from either side that looses hits the courts. We can claim the tresspass inadvertant and fix it as soon as they let us know what they find offensive. The speed it will be done with will show that said code is by no means the whole of Linux. Do they believe that anyone will continue using SCO code and keep paying SCO royalties?
Absolutely hilarious! I *really* wish I had mod points right now!!!
not plane, nor bird, nor even frog...
My sister used to work for SCO in government sales. She was very good at it. The horror stories of how poorly run they were (and are) give me a clearer picture of their desperation now. Their best hope is to get bought out by someone. Anyone.
the only affect this is having on me is that I'm thinking of having a shit before the SCO building.
/. would do a real-life slashdotting on SCO this would have some affect on them.
:)
If
Or how about running a DDOS on their toilets?
Damn, we are so many we can change everything with our shit!
(I know, I know I need to sleep)
(Moderators: Don't believe me? Look at moderation results.)
Copyrights, Patents, Trademarks: temporary loans from the Public Domain, not real property ("intellectual" or otherwise)
What if (like most judges) that the judge deciding the case is ignorant when it comes to technology? Remember that judges are elected and where is the judge in the SCO vs IBM located? Utah!
The judge has an obligation to protect jobs to get re-elected. Not to say that he/she will not rule in a sound judgement based on the law but it will be a factor. Added to the fact that he/she has never written any code could be a potential win for SCO.
A potential lawsuit that becomes real = a pink slip.
If I was in a fortune 500 company that has not yet switched to Linux would ban it too! I could get fired otherwise if the case blows up and could cost my company tens of thousands of dollars if SCO has the power to come in and demand we uninstall our mission critical servers.
If Linux is already installed I would not touch the installations since I did not know of the code violations and my job would be safe. I gauruntee you that I would be fired if I knew of a potential liability and ignored it and installed it anyway if shit blows up.
The numbers I believe are not totally accurate. A third (guessing here) already were not in favor of Linux and now have an excuse not to install it and side with Microsoft or Sun. I sincerly believe fortune 500 companies are taking this seriously because SCO would prefer to sue them. I personally would not care if I was an IT manager for a company with only 500 employee's. Otherwise I would ban any new Linux install until the case is cleared.
Welcome to corporate American where politics rule!
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They should have asked a second question:
So do you plan to reduce your SCO Unix deployment, or eliminate SCO Unix entirely from your organization, as a result of SCO's threats?
The positive replies on that would probably be more than 9%...
I figure a fat penguin is too busy eating fish to do much damage to my precious hardware. A mischievous daemon, on the other hand...
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
Around these parts that's a calm, rational comment.
10 PRINT CHR$(205.5+RND(1)); : GOTO 10
"Yes, we're reducing our Linux deployment, eliminating Linux entirely -- or at least we're thinking about it: 9 percent." Hardly "running away screaming." Beware, ajs, SCO has probably claimed patents on FUD, too! ;-)
Excuse me, but if anything were "running away screeming" in industry, I would tag it right on your quote. For a company to scale back or remove its support for, use or deployment of a platform due to legal concerns... well, what do you call that if not running away? "Screaming" is clearly hyperbole, and I take note that you're not fond of such metaphorical license, but this is an important step in the process of establishing how legally stable open source software is.
Those who are just realizing now that that hadn't actually been decided yet are, understandably, rather unnerved. There are even those who have bought into the "aren't we stealing by using Linux?" thing, and that's generating even more paranoia and misrepresentation.
Don't go throwing the term FUD around at anything you don't agree with, it only serves to make those who really DO use fear as a tool look more justified in doing so.