You math is all screwed up!. DO your calculations again please. Here let me help you.
The common wisdom says that you have to work till may to pay off all your taxes (local, state, sales, federal etc). If that is true then somewhere around 40% of your money is paid in ALL taxes including local taxes and property taxes. Now if you spend all the money you make you are sending 60% of your money to people who have more money then you (your insurance company, banks, wall mart, Dell, Microsoft etc).
Now look at the remaining 40%. Of that less then half is paid in federal taxes most are in sales, and property taxes which go to your state. Even if you take your entire 40% which percent of that goes towards helping other countries or helping the poor? Do you have a guess? Here let me tell you foreign aid is less then one percent welfare is a little more then one percent. That's right of the 40% you pay in taxes about two percent of that amount goes to welfare of foreign aid. Both of these are dwarfed by other portions of the discretionary spending budget which goes roughly.
Social Security : 22%, Medicare 10% (that's right over thirty percent spent on old people!). Medicaid : 6%, AFDC (welfare) 1% (7% spent on helping the poor). More get's spent by the states but I don't have tohose figures let's say it's 10% total. Interest payments on the debt: 15% WOW!!!!. About as much as medicare and medicaid combined. Defense about 18% (soon to rise dramatically)
Where does the rest of your money go? Well certainly a huge chunk goes towards roads, schools, parks, farm subsidies etc but most of the rest goes towards pork barrel. According to the cato institute 65 billion go towards corporate welfare alone!
Once again most of the money you make goes to rich people (your income after taxes). Most of the rest (your taxes) goes to you or your parents (middle class). Your schools, your roads, your cops, your parks, your Army, your Navy, your farm subsidies etc. A tiny little miniscule portion goes to actually help the poor.
But you and millions like you have chosen to put your blinders on. You have chosen to concentrate on the 1% going to welfare and the 1% going to foreign aid and somehow deluded yourself that if that expenditure went away you'd have more money. The numbers tell another story. Get rid of social security, defense, corporate welfare, medicare, farm subsidies, roads, schools or the national debt and then maybe you'd see a reduction in your taxes. Of course all of those cuts would have repercussion s too. If you cut off welfare more people would take to crime, if you cut off Social security you'd have to support your own parents, if you cut off farm subsidies the farmers would fold (and without welfare or medical care they too might take to crime).
The absolute best thing we can do is to pay off the debt. That's 15% (and growing) of our budget and we get nothing in return.
Please go educate yourself about how your tax dollars are spent all this information is vailable with just a few click on google.
I use Apache because I prefer it IIS. I especially like the proxying support.
I would much rather use PHP then ASP. I trie dusing ASP and it made me want to stick needles in my eye with it's horrible error messages and inability to return values from functions. PHP is just a pleasure to use and as a bonus I get to benefit from thousands of pre-written applications for free.
I prefer Jedit to any commercial editor I have bought or tried.
I love mozilla and prefer it over IE on my windows machine. It's faster, it has more features.
I love debian. It gives me tingles every time I use it. I know it does not do everything as well as windows but it does many things much better then windows. I find my self cursing windows every day that I use it, I never ever curse debian.
PostgreSQL is the most fun any database geek can have with his pants on. It can do so many things SQL server can't I don't know where to start.
So if anybody wants to write an article start with those. Also touch on Zope, Jabber and the slew of projects residing on the Apache.org web site.
Oh yea one more thing. One fo the things I like most is that there are no restrictions. No weird licenses, no restirctions on the number of CPUs or the number of people who can connect, no forced advertising, nothing at all. The freedom is addicting.
The Budha once said the best thing in life is a clear conscience. Using open source software allows you to live with a clear conscience, it makes you a better human being.
"Any objective person will see that IE was the better browser then "Netscape Communicator" and it was gaining incredible popularity well before IE was "integrated" into the OS."
A blatant lie!. Netscape 3.0 was much better then IE 3.0. Nesscape 4.0 was better then IE 4.0. IE became usable by version 5 and it was integrated into the OS before that. By that time Netscape's air supply had been cut off and they could not afford to put too much money into further developing it.
I am much older then you are, I make almost three times as much money as you do, I have been to almost every state in the union and lived in a bunch of them. I have traveled extensively in europe, middle east and far east (although never south of the equator). On top of all that I am an immigrant and a veteran.
As for taxes I have this to say. I served this country glady even though I disagree with almost all of the foreign policy decisions of the leaders but I did not feel it would be right to critize it without serving it. The same with taxes. I pay an insane amount in taxes but I do it gladly even though I frequently disagree with how it's spent. We in the upper tax brackets have nothing to complain about. The top 5% of this country controls over 90% of the wealth yet pays only 75% of the taxes. A pretty damned good deal if you ask me. I am a few dollars shy of making it into the top 5% and I don't know if I ever will but I don't complain about taxes. I get more out of taxes then I pay in.
People in the upper tax brackets realize something that most people don't. Money flows uphill. Left to it's own devices money will flow from the poor to the rich so that eventually a handful of families will control the entire wealth of a country. Historically countries go through cycles of wealth concentration followed by bloody revolutions where the rich are killed. These days we know better. We put in mechanisms to recycle that money and slow down the concentration of it in the hands of the few. The alternative to paying taxes is to sow the seeds of revolution. This country is not run by idiots and they all realize that. The trick is to give just enough back to keep the poor and the middle content. It turns out that with well designed propaganda you can keep that number much lower then otherwise. By contantly bombarding the middle class with the message that the poor are their enemy and that the reason they don't have enough money is because the poor take it from them (an utterly silly idea if you think about it) we can deflect the focus away from us. It works very well.
Which leads us to your original post. Your post is the party line. "I could have more money if it wasn't for those goddamned lazy stupid poor people". HAH!. If you are like most people you spend every single cent you make (most people are in debt so they spend more then they make). How much of that ended up in the hands of the poor how much ended up int the hands of the rich? Answer honestly now.
One of the fundemental propositions of capitalism is that the best use of money is to invest it back into the ecconomy. If you have confidence in the US economy and the corporations that drive it then you are best off investing in them. Bill Gates does not share this belief. He thinks that the US economy can not be trusted to grow his money. In fact he feels like if he was to invest his money fully or give it back to the shareholders he would never get it back. He is afraid to let his money enter the US economy and instead is sitting on it. He probably sees a massive crash around the corner. When that crash happens those with tangible cash will be best off.
"Also, he appelated to Capitalism (upercase intended) and Patriotism"
If Bill Gates actually believed in capitalism and patrotism he would not be sitting on 40+ billion in cash. The fact the Microsoft is not investing that money, or giving it to the shareholders (ti belongs to them after all) indicates that Bill gates has no confidence in the viability of the US economy. He is probably afraid that the US economy will collapse and he is sitting on cold hard cash so that when that happens his company will survive.
Yes do you disagree that the post I was talking about was completely devoid of original thought and was in fact a right wing rant against the "welfare state"
"Read my other comments in this thread, and elsewhere."
I may have read them but that's irrelevant. I was replying to one post which got modded up to +5 irrationaly.
"Trust me, when you turn 23, and put your skateboard in the closet, you may just find that it was a smart decision."
I bet I am older then you are, I bet I've been to more countries then you have, I bet I have been to more states then you have, I bet I speak more languages then you do, I bet I make more money then you do.
Whatever man I am sure you have a thousand rationalizations about why you think the way you do. That is not my concern nor is it my critisism. I never critised what you said, my point was that your post is not insightful and did not deserve a +5 moderation. I have heard the whole "welfare people are lazy bums and they are taking my money" shpiel from every single right wing commentator, radio host, newspaper and magazine in the country.
You provided no insight, no original ideas, no evidence. You merely parroted the right wind idiology party line and people moderated you up because they agreed with you. Parroting the right wing ideology on slashdot is nothing more then karma whoring becasue you know the denizens of this board are mostly republican.
Prove me wrong. Point out to me one thing in your original post that is actually insightful or original.
The ratio of dead palestenians to dead israelis is something like 10 to 1. The israelis have nothing to complain about when they are killing ten times as many palestenians. Add to that the number of wounded, the number of jailed, the number of tortured palestenians and the your whining about dead israelis sounds even more ridiculus.
No matter how you spin it the facts remain. The palestenians are occupied people, they are routinely killed, captured, and tortured. They have no real rights in their own towns and cities. A palestenian can not move from one of his own town to the other without permission for example.
+5 insightful? On what planet? Oh yea planet slashdot where any republican rant gets moderated up to 5 no matter how false, insane or devoid of original thought.
"In fact, I was under the distinct impression they had declared war on all terrorism of global reach -- that is, all murdering of civilians, in order to terrorize a population into accommodating political goals, carried out across national borders -- and that they, in fact, will specifically target governments that fund, aid, or harbor terrorists of this sort."
Re-read this sentence and see for yourself if the US govt qualifies as a terrorist regime. Before you answer that question though you may want to read up on Pinochet, Idi Amin, Vietnam, El salvador, guatemala, panama etc.
Perhaps the analogy was a bit flawed but not too far overboard. A better anology would be that US was in the position of the palestenians. We were being "occupied" by the british just like the palestenians are. We cried "Give me liberty or give me death" just like they do. We fought to drive off our colonial masters and succeeded with some help from the french. If the french were to help the british (like the US helps Israel) then we would be screwed like the palestenians are.
As for not attacking civilians I think you ought to re-read your history especially considering native americans. Our genocidal campaign against the indians was even more severe then the ethnic cleansing going on in palestine (in the name of fighting terrorism of course).
I suspect the former. It takes at least a miniscule amount of selflessness and collectivism to join a union and geeks don't have those. You have heard the term herding cats? cats are not pack animals, they live solitary lives much like geeks.
Do you read slashdot? Geeks hate unions and union members more then anything else in the world. I suspect this is because they see themselves are superior to the blue collar workforce. Somehow they don't want to sink themselves to the level of plumbers, electricians, police, firefighters, teachers etc.
It's to their detriment and stupidity though. The doctors and the laywers also don't want to taint themselves with the stink of the unwashed masses so they form "associations". The American Medical Association, the bar association etc. There is the ACM but most geeks don't join it. There is the FSF but most slashdotters hate RMS more then they hate teachers.
Open up explorer. On the C: drive right click on the mouse. choose new and then folder. This will create a new folder and it will wait for you to type in a name for your new folder. The ".me" or a . followed by anything. It won't let you will it? Of course not.
Now open up a dos box and type "mkdir.me" and it works just fine.
This is just one example of how fucked up the windows GUI is. Yet people still use it. Whatever you do don't emulate MS.
The programmers at MS are unable to write an XML parser that does not require a 60 megabyte browser for goodness sake why would you follow their lead?
I think you missed his point. Your VB app is useless on any platform other then windows.
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Maybe maybe not.
I am 99.999999999999% sure the makers of BASH don't intend to make money off of your BASH history nor did they have any evil intent when they wrote that feature.
I am about 90% sure MS DOES intend to make money and had evil intent when they wrote their feature.
In the end evil is as evil does. We'll see what MS does with it.
The answer is 2. This is because the cult members of MS have to show up for work. Have to do what their bosses tell them. It's very easy to inculcate people into your scheme is you hold their livelyhoods in your hand. Those people are preached the gospel every day. Not only that like most cults they have very little contact with people outside of their cult. It's easy to be brainwashed when you live in a monoculture.
"MS is made up of individuals who like working on software (and earn money from it)."
Like most brainwashed people you have misguided view of your cult. Coders are not the majority of MS employees. MS is full of people who put in their 8 hours like any other corporation. Paper shufflers, middle management, janitors, secrataries etc make up the bulk of MS employees.
"Slashdot is full of zealots "
I have never seen a post from slashdot that was rated three or higher that approached the venom coming from any MS executive. Sorry but your cult members are much worse.
"dreaming of destroying microsoft and led by politically motivated leaders like ESR"
While I admit many people here would dance in the streets if MS was to collapse tommorow nobody here is as politically motivated as MS. First of all ESR is simply unable to spend 6 million dollars political contributions and needless to say nobody here owns their own president or used to hire the AG or hires the daughter of the AG. I am afraid MS has us all beat when it comes to being politically motivated.
As for leaders even a cult member like you ought to recognize that Billy boy is much more the charismatic cult leader then linus, ESR, or RMS will ever be.
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You math is all screwed up!. DO your calculations again please. Here let me help you.
The common wisdom says that you have to work till may to pay off all your taxes (local, state, sales, federal etc). If that is true then somewhere around 40% of your money is paid in ALL taxes including local taxes and property taxes. Now if you spend all the money you make you are sending 60% of your money to people who have more money then you (your insurance company, banks, wall mart, Dell, Microsoft etc).
Now look at the remaining 40%. Of that less then half is paid in federal taxes most are in sales, and property taxes which go to your state. Even if you take your entire 40% which percent of that goes towards helping other countries or helping the poor? Do you have a guess? Here let me tell you foreign aid is less then one percent welfare is a little more then one percent. That's right of the 40% you pay in taxes about two percent of that amount goes to welfare of foreign aid. Both of these are dwarfed by other portions of the discretionary spending budget which goes roughly.
Social Security : 22%, Medicare 10% (that's right over thirty percent spent on old people!).
Medicaid : 6%, AFDC (welfare) 1% (7% spent on helping the poor). More get's spent by the states but I don't have tohose figures let's say it's 10% total.
Interest payments on the debt: 15% WOW!!!!. About as much as medicare and medicaid combined.
Defense about 18% (soon to rise dramatically)
Where does the rest of your money go? Well certainly a huge chunk goes towards roads, schools, parks, farm subsidies etc but most of the rest goes towards pork barrel. According to the cato institute 65 billion go towards corporate welfare alone!
Once again most of the money you make goes to rich people (your income after taxes). Most of the rest (your taxes) goes to you or your parents (middle class). Your schools, your roads, your cops, your parks, your Army, your Navy, your farm subsidies etc. A tiny little miniscule portion goes to actually help the poor.
But you and millions like you have chosen to put your blinders on. You have chosen to concentrate on the 1% going to welfare and the 1% going to foreign aid and somehow deluded yourself that if that expenditure went away you'd have more money. The numbers tell another story. Get rid of social security, defense, corporate welfare, medicare, farm subsidies, roads, schools or the national debt and then maybe you'd see a reduction in your taxes. Of course all of those cuts would have repercussion s too. If you cut off welfare more people would take to crime, if you cut off Social security you'd have to support your own parents, if you cut off farm subsidies the farmers would fold (and without welfare or medical care they too might take to crime).
The absolute best thing we can do is to pay off the debt. That's 15% (and growing) of our budget and we get nothing in return.
Please go educate yourself about how your tax dollars are spent all this information is vailable with just a few click on google.
Well here are a few.
I use Apache because I prefer it IIS. I especially like the proxying support.
I would much rather use PHP then ASP. I trie dusing ASP and it made me want to stick needles in my eye with it's horrible error messages and inability to return values from functions. PHP is just a pleasure to use and as a bonus I get to benefit from thousands of pre-written applications for free.
I prefer Jedit to any commercial editor I have bought or tried.
I love mozilla and prefer it over IE on my windows machine. It's faster, it has more features.
I love debian. It gives me tingles every time I use it. I know it does not do everything as well as windows but it does many things much better then windows. I find my self cursing windows every day that I use it, I never ever curse debian.
PostgreSQL is the most fun any database geek can have with his pants on. It can do so many things SQL server can't I don't know where to start.
So if anybody wants to write an article start with those. Also touch on Zope, Jabber and the slew of projects residing on the Apache.org web site.
Oh yea one more thing. One fo the things I like most is that there are no restrictions. No weird licenses, no restirctions on the number of CPUs or the number of people who can connect, no forced advertising, nothing at all. The freedom is addicting.
The Budha once said the best thing in life is a clear conscience. Using open source software allows you to live with a clear conscience, it makes you a better human being.
"Any objective person will see that IE was the better browser then "Netscape Communicator" and it was gaining incredible popularity well before IE was "integrated" into the OS."
A blatant lie!. Netscape 3.0 was much better then IE 3.0. Nesscape 4.0 was better then IE 4.0. IE became usable by version 5 and it was integrated into the OS before that. By that time Netscape's air supply had been cut off and they could not afford to put too much money into further developing it.
I win the bet.
I am much older then you are, I make almost three times as much money as you do, I have been to almost every state in the union and lived in a bunch of them. I have traveled extensively in europe, middle east and far east (although never south of the equator). On top of all that I am an immigrant and a veteran.
As for taxes I have this to say. I served this country glady even though I disagree with almost all of the foreign policy decisions of the leaders but I did not feel it would be right to critize it without serving it. The same with taxes. I pay an insane amount in taxes but I do it gladly even though I frequently disagree with how it's spent. We in the upper tax brackets have nothing to complain about. The top 5% of this country controls over 90% of the wealth yet pays only 75% of the taxes. A pretty damned good deal if you ask me. I am a few dollars shy of making it into the top 5% and I don't know if I ever will but I don't complain about taxes. I get more out of taxes then I pay in.
People in the upper tax brackets realize something that most people don't. Money flows uphill. Left to it's own devices money will flow from the poor to the rich so that eventually a handful of families will control the entire wealth of a country. Historically countries go through cycles of wealth concentration followed by bloody revolutions where the rich are killed. These days we know better. We put in mechanisms to recycle that money and slow down the concentration of it in the hands of the few. The alternative to paying taxes is to sow the seeds of revolution. This country is not run by idiots and they all realize that. The trick is to give just enough back to keep the poor and the middle content. It turns out that with well designed propaganda you can keep that number much lower then otherwise. By contantly bombarding the middle class with the message that the poor are their enemy and that the reason they don't have enough money is because the poor take it from them (an utterly silly idea if you think about it) we can deflect the focus away from us. It works very well.
Which leads us to your original post. Your post is the party line. "I could have more money if it wasn't for those goddamned lazy stupid poor people". HAH!. If you are like most people you spend every single cent you make (most people are in debt so they spend more then they make). How much of that ended up in the hands of the poor how much ended up int the hands of the rich? Answer honestly now.
One of the fundemental propositions of capitalism is that the best use of money is to invest it back into the ecconomy. If you have confidence in the US economy and the corporations that drive it then you are best off investing in them. Bill Gates does not share this belief. He thinks that the US economy can not be trusted to grow his money. In fact he feels like if he was to invest his money fully or give it back to the shareholders he would never get it back. He is afraid to let his money enter the US economy and instead is sitting on it. He probably sees a massive crash around the corner. When that crash happens those with tangible cash will be best off.
"Also, he appelated to Capitalism (upercase intended) and Patriotism"
If Bill Gates actually believed in capitalism and patrotism he would not be sitting on 40+ billion in cash. The fact the Microsoft is not investing that money, or giving it to the shareholders (ti belongs to them after all) indicates that Bill gates has no confidence in the viability of the US economy. He is probably afraid that the US economy will collapse and he is sitting on cold hard cash so that when that happens his company will survive.
"No original ideas? Right wing?"
Yes do you disagree that the post I was talking about was completely devoid of original thought and was in fact a right wing rant against the "welfare state"
"Read my other comments in this thread, and elsewhere."
I may have read them but that's irrelevant. I was replying to one post which got modded up to +5 irrationaly.
"Trust me, when you turn 23, and put your skateboard in the closet, you may just find that it was a smart decision."
I bet I am older then you are, I bet I've been to more countries then you have, I bet I have been to more states then you have, I bet I speak more languages then you do, I bet I make more money then you do.
"yada Yada Yada"
Whatever man I am sure you have a thousand rationalizations about why you think the way you do. That is not my concern nor is it my critisism. I never critised what you said, my point was that your post is not insightful and did not deserve a +5 moderation. I have heard the whole "welfare people are lazy bums and they are taking my money" shpiel from every single right wing commentator, radio host, newspaper and magazine in the country.
You provided no insight, no original ideas, no evidence. You merely parroted the right wind idiology party line and people moderated you up because they agreed with you. Parroting the right wing ideology on slashdot is nothing more then karma whoring becasue you know the denizens of this board are mostly republican.
Prove me wrong. Point out to me one thing in your original post that is actually insightful or original.
I think you made my point very well! Thank you.
The ratio of dead palestenians to dead israelis is something like 10 to 1. The israelis have nothing to complain about when they are killing ten times as many palestenians. Add to that the number of wounded, the number of jailed, the number of tortured palestenians and the your whining about dead israelis sounds even more ridiculus.
No matter how you spin it the facts remain. The palestenians are occupied people, they are routinely killed, captured, and tortured. They have no real rights in their own towns and cities. A palestenian can not move from one of his own town to the other without permission for example.
+5 insightful? On what planet?
Oh yea planet slashdot where any republican rant gets moderated up to 5 no matter how false, insane or devoid of original thought.
"In fact, I was under the distinct impression they had declared war on all terrorism of global reach -- that is, all murdering of civilians, in order to terrorize a population into accommodating political goals, carried out across national borders -- and that they, in fact, will specifically target governments that fund, aid, or harbor terrorists of this sort."
Re-read this sentence and see for yourself if the US govt qualifies as a terrorist regime. Before you answer that question though you may want to read up on Pinochet, Idi Amin, Vietnam, El salvador, guatemala, panama etc.
Perhaps the analogy was a bit flawed but not too far overboard. A better anology would be that US was in the position of the palestenians. We were being "occupied" by the british just like the palestenians are. We cried "Give me liberty or give me death" just like they do. We fought to drive off our colonial masters and succeeded with some help from the french. If the french were to help the british (like the US helps Israel) then we would be screwed like the palestenians are.
As for not attacking civilians I think you ought to re-read your history especially considering native americans. Our genocidal campaign against the indians was even more severe then the ethnic cleansing going on in palestine (in the name of fighting terrorism of course).
Well it pisses of MS.
It pisses of the astro turfers at slashdot.
It pisses off trolls.
I $ay go for it!.
Great analogy with the dumpster.
I suspect the former. It takes at least a miniscule amount of selflessness and collectivism to join a union and geeks don't have those. You have heard the term herding cats? cats are not pack animals, they live solitary lives much like geeks.
Do you read slashdot? Geeks hate unions and union members more then anything else in the world. I suspect this is because they see themselves are superior to the blue collar workforce. Somehow they don't want to sink themselves to the level of plumbers, electricians, police, firefighters, teachers etc.
It's to their detriment and stupidity though. The doctors and the laywers also don't want to taint themselves with the stink of the unwashed masses so they form "associations". The American Medical Association, the bar association etc. There is the ACM but most geeks don't join it. There is the FSF but most slashdotters hate RMS more then they hate teachers.
Do you have windows 2000? if so try this.
.me" and it works just fine.
Open up explorer. On the C: drive right click on the mouse. choose new and then folder. This will create a new folder and it will wait for you to type in a name for your new folder. The ".me" or a . followed by anything. It won't let you will it? Of course not.
Now open up a dos box and type "mkdir
This is just one example of how fucked up the windows GUI is. Yet people still use it. Whatever you do don't emulate MS.
The programmers at MS are unable to write an XML parser that does not require a 60 megabyte browser for goodness sake why would you follow their lead?
Hey do you have a sample code that shows me how to connect to a SQL server database from freebsd using C# and .NET?
I think you missed his point. Your VB app is useless on any platform other then windows.
Maybe maybe not.
I am 99.999999999999% sure the makers of BASH don't intend to make money off of your BASH history nor did they have any evil intent when they wrote that feature.
I am about 90% sure MS DOES intend to make money and had evil intent when they wrote their feature.
In the end evil is as evil does. We'll see what MS does with it.
Like I said roller skates. What you describe is about 1% of .NET.
MS has their own president and AG. That trumps everybody.
Mono is just a gleam in Miguels eye right now. Comparing .NET to mono is like comparing toy roller skates to a BMW.
Try again in about 5 years. But by then MS will have moved on to the next big thing.
"Which is more likely to form into a cult?"
The answer is 2. This is because the cult members of MS have to show up for work. Have to do what their bosses tell them. It's very easy to inculcate people into your scheme is you hold their livelyhoods in your hand. Those people are preached the gospel every day. Not only that like most cults they have very little contact with people outside of their cult. It's easy to be brainwashed when you live in a monoculture.
"MS is made up of individuals who like working on software (and earn money from it)."
Like most brainwashed people you have misguided view of your cult. Coders are not the majority of MS employees. MS is full of people who put in their 8 hours like any other corporation. Paper shufflers, middle management, janitors, secrataries etc make up the bulk of MS employees.
"Slashdot is full of zealots "
I have never seen a post from slashdot that was rated three or higher that approached the venom coming from any MS executive. Sorry but your cult members are much worse.
"dreaming of destroying microsoft and led by politically motivated leaders like ESR"
While I admit many people here would dance in the streets if MS was to collapse tommorow nobody here is as politically motivated as MS. First of all ESR is simply unable to spend 6 million dollars political contributions and needless to say nobody here owns their own president or used to hire the AG or hires the daughter of the AG. I am afraid MS has us all beat when it comes to being politically motivated.
As for leaders even a cult member like you ought to recognize that Billy boy is much more the charismatic cult leader then linus, ESR, or RMS will ever be.