If you really think that a comparison between a spontenous gathering of individuals who think alike and a cutlivated corporate culture is the same then you are brainwashed.
Damn those public school teachers. They just sit around all day wallowing in their fat stacks of cash teaching their students to be democrats. Those fucking good for nothing leeches are a blight on society. They are lazy and overpaid and worse of all they are all UNION MEMBERS. The mutherfuckers!. Them and all those evil union member cops and fireman ought to be lined up and shot!.
Sure they have good PR. They have convinced everybody that they are "heroes" for rescuing people from burning buildings, or helping out others during 9-11 but make no mistake those fuckers are union members. The teachers are always whining about underfunded schools, long hours, old books, uncaring parents, delapidated buildings as if it wasn't all their fault our educational system is all fucked up. If they would just dissolve their unions then we can pay them even less and make our schools so much better.
So MS bought twice as many politicians as TW. Of course that's not counting the money spent by Bill Gates and his mafia. I think if you do further research you will find the actual number is over 6 million.
FOr whatever reason all those companies you state don't spend as much on political candidates as MS does. A visit to opensecrets is in order for you. You can find out exactly who MS bought and for how much. Also look up some MS executives and stockholders while you are there.
Apparently you are confused about morality. Ethics and mores are secular concepts. Morality and morals are religious concepts. Maybe you can make an argument that capitalism is ethical (I know I can make an argument that it's not) but you can not make an argument that it's moral. For it to be moral there needs to be some religious underpinning behind accumulation of wealth. All religions urge their followers to live a life of simplicity, charity, and service to mankind which looks awful lot like socialism or communism rather then capitalism. Jesus was especially critical of wealth and the accumulation of wealth, Budha preached poverty, mohammed didn't seem to mind pursit of wealth as much but he emphesized charity and service quite a bit. As I stated the only religion that encourages accumulation of wealth and greed is satanism.
As for your other arguments they apply to mores and not morals. The idea of religion is NOT to promote freedom. Religion says that your must put aside your freedom and your base desires and bend to God's will. Satanists say "do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" while Christianity implies "do what God wilt shall be whole of the law". The goal of a christian is to do gods will, not their own. Often times that requires subjugating your freedom to a higher power. As a jew or a moslem you may desire to eat a ham sandwich. In a free world you can eat ham sandwitches but if you believe in god then you have to subjugate your desire to eat a ham sandwich and give up that freedom.
A lot of this has to with the abysmal state of the english language. People frequently confuse liberty (or sufferage) with freedom. Freedom is an abstract concept while liberty is a political one. To a religious person freedom is a futile and somewhat evil pursuit. While liberty may be a worthwhile one if it coinsides with God's will. God's will on earth and all that.
BTW are you seriously saying that the "pursuit of money and greed" are not the main driving engine of capitalism or that they have nothing to do with capitalism. I don't know where you get your definition of capitalism but from where I stand capitalism has a lot to do with capital. Maybe there is some strain of capitalism that does not contain greed, gluttony, envy, avarice, covetousness, pride etc as it's driving force but I have never seen it. Can you point me at a capitalistic state that does not encourage it's people to practice the seven deadly sins?
Face it capitalism is good only insofar as greed is good. I know many people make the argument that greed is good but I suspect they do this to try and justify their own greed. It certainly does not come from any religion (except satanism as I said).
You can call yourself whatever you want. I just call them as I see them. We kill they die. We are the predetor they are the prey. The rest of the world is there so that we can eat and buy britney spears DVDs. Their existance is good only if it directly benefits us. Otherwise we kill them because they have no worth or value to us. Much like a farmer may kill a cow who is not producing enough milk and eat it. The rest of the world is our cattle.
Well I don't know where you get your definition of morality from. I think you are making it up as you go along. You are simply justifying what you do every day by declaring it a "moral" act.
I can think of no religion, no shaman, no spiritualist anywhere in the world who has said that pursuit of money, greed, buying and selling things are worthwhile goals or means of human moral growth. Not aristotle, not jesus, not budha, not moses, not mohammed. None of them said the path to morality and spiritual growth is through commerce.
OK I just thought of someone. It was Anton Levey the founder of modern day satanism. The goals of capitalism are exactly aligned with the goals of satanism and diametrically opposed to the goals of christianity, budhism, islam, and judaism.
Like I said you are just making it up as go along because it makes you feel better. Go ahead and declare yourself moral becasue you like to buy shiny new things it's better for the economy.
Well I live in America and of course I take an American point of view. We Americans use disproportianaly large amounts of the worlds resources. We are richer then the rest of the world, we have more bombs then the rest of the world. We can go anywhere we want, kill whoever we want, do whatever we want and nobody can say jack shit. We have recognized early on in our evolutions that right and wrong, moral and immoral, good and evil are antiquated values the backwards rest of the world uses. We have only one value and one that was expressed so clearly by an American "I's rather be a hammer then a nail". It's better to be rich then poor, it's better to be powerful then week.
Take the course of recent history for example. Some terrorists killed almost three thousand Americans. This is an extremely small percentage of the population and in fact more people die of smoking EVERY WEEK in America. Nevertheless we bombed and entire country!. We must have killed 10 to 20 thousand people easy. We sent troops all over the world including places like philipines, yemen, singapore and god knows where else.
It's our world, it's there to serve us, we rule and if we let you live then count your blessings.
You can argue all you want but that is the reality.
"Mozilla will hopefully change the story, but it's YEARS too late in an industry that works on Internet time. "
No it's not too late at all.
Right now I prefer mozilla to IE on my windows box. It loads faster, it renders faster, it has more features then IE and it crashes less. No I am not kidding it's true. I honestly don't know how people get along without tabs and gestures they simply don't know what they are missing. Not only that but Moz does not cram advertising down my throat whenever I make a typo in the URL bar, it does not have crypic and misleading "options" like "enable profile assistant" and "show friendly HTTP messages". In other words it does not lie to me and try and fool me into giving up my privacy.
All we have to do is to make this knowledge widespread. Tell everybody you know that mozilla is better, faster and safer then IE because it's the truth. IE and Mozilla are designed for different things. Mozilla is designed to deliver the best web browsing experience possible IE is designed to deliver advertising to people who use windows, to increase hit counts at MSN, to get people to sign up for hotmail, to get people to sign up for passport. Different products for different purposes.
If you want to browse the web use mozilla if you want to receive adversing and help Bill Gates make more money use IE.
Let's see if a 14 year old girl is working in vietnam 14 hours for $2.00 then everybody who makes more will one day be unemployed.
Probably you don't care because your job is not at risk but do you really think moving manufacturing to third world countries and the resultant unemployment in the US has no consequences to you?
Besides what makes you think corporations will stop there? They already make use of prison labor in the US and the US has the higest rate of incarsaration in the world. It would be trivial for corporatiosn to push for draconian laws making jaywalking a life offense and then having a massive pool of slaves ready to provide labor for free. To a corporation there is nothing sweeter then a nation full of slaves.
You are overlooking one thing. People will be forced to go search engines that are bad. For example the MS sheeple are now forced to go to MSN whenever they make a typo in a URL. Of course if they had more brains then two dead flies they might be able to change it for a while but we know windows is not aimed at people with brains and besides which it will eventually reset your preference anyway.
I don't get it? What is that link supposed to prove?
Look I make a simple point the "Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine" is a right wing FUD organization (er I mean a thinktank). It is funded by right wing groups and it's purpose is to try and discredit global warming and indeed fight every piece of environmental law that might cost it's sugar daddies some money. That point is pretty much indisputable. Go read their front page.
What I find very amusing is the republican line has changed. For a long time they denied global warming existed at all. I remember a couple of years ago conservative press kept harping about how it was all a lie. Now they have changed their story. They seem to vaccilate between. "Global warming exists but it's not our fault" and "Global warming exists but it's good for you!". I guess when nobody believed their first lie they had to make up new ones.
Why would patents stop MS? They have stolen technology before. They simply drag the case out till the other company is almost bankrupt and then offer a settlement for pennies on the dollar. Remember this is a company which bitchslaps the dept of justice around like a two dollar whore. You think they are afraid of the patent office?
"The features are useful for programmers and ultimately benefit end users by permitting more interactive Web sites."
if what you say is true then mozilla will rule the world. XPCOM, XUL, XML-RPC, XPConnect, javascript debugger, dom inspector I could go on and on. Mozilla is a playground for programmers like no other. Oh yea I almost forgot IT'S OPEN SOURCE!. You can actually play with the code of mozilla itself.
1) Schools don't start off teaching ejbs in fact I will bet serious money that no accredited university actually teaches EJBs. They teach java which has been around many years and has proven itself in the acedemic and the commercial world (a claim that C# can not make yet).
2) If you want to teach OOP teach lisp or smalltalk.
3) If you can learn oop from both C# and Java AND you are already teaching java then why switch? Makes no sense.
If you don't understand then perhaps you ought to take the time learn more about meteorology and climatology. Not everything is easily understood by a laymen and the pysics involved in meteorology is very difficult indeed.
You link to the oism.org site proves your ignorance (or malice). The oism is a sham and has been exposed many times in the media. It's a republican organization whose job is to spread anti environmental FUD. Go to their home page and read what is says there. It consists of six people and one building. Pointing to a extreme right wing organization and saying "see they say there is no such thing as global warming" probably fools the ignorant masses and the Rush Limbaugh amen corner but your audience here is probably more educated then the knuckle draggers you are used to speaking to.
Just spend a few minutes browsing the oism site and the IPCC site and you'll see who knows what. One site is full of scientific studies and rich in information the other is a right wing propaganda site.
I don't know jack shit about covey guy but if he is a successful person he did not do it by ignoring his enemies and people who are out to destroy him. Ms is out to destroy open source and it will do this by any means possible including getting OSS development declared illegal and throwing people in jail. MS has declared war and you can either ignore it and die or fight back.
Wha? I have never needed this so called "feature". For me just the fact that Mozilla does not force me to go to MSN every time I make a typo is good enough. Add faster rendering, faster loading, tabs, gestures, ability to block ads, ability to block pop ups etc and it wins hands down. It kicks IE ass all over the place for real life use.
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If you really think that a comparison between a spontenous gathering of individuals who think alike and a cutlivated corporate culture is the same then you are brainwashed.
Damn those public school teachers. They just sit around all day wallowing in their fat stacks of cash teaching their students to be democrats. Those fucking good for nothing leeches are a blight on society. They are lazy and overpaid and worse of all they are all UNION MEMBERS. The mutherfuckers!. Them and all those evil union member cops and fireman ought to be lined up and shot!.
Sure they have good PR. They have convinced everybody that they are "heroes" for rescuing people from burning buildings, or helping out others during 9-11 but make no mistake those fuckers are union members. The teachers are always whining about underfunded schools, long hours, old books, uncaring parents, delapidated buildings as if it wasn't all their fault our educational system is all fucked up. If they would just dissolve their unions then we can pay them even less and make our schools so much better.
So MS bought twice as many politicians as TW. Of course that's not counting the money spent by Bill Gates and his mafia. I think if you do further research you will find the actual number is over 6 million.
FOr whatever reason all those companies you state don't spend as much on political candidates as MS does. A visit to opensecrets is in order for you. You can find out exactly who MS bought and for how much. Also look up some MS executives and stockholders while you are there.
Some won't and that's the point. MS want's every to be forced to buy it. If even a small percentage defects they get upset.
Apparently you are confused about morality. Ethics and mores are secular concepts. Morality and morals are religious concepts. Maybe you can make an argument that capitalism is ethical (I know I can make an argument that it's not) but you can not make an argument that it's moral. For it to be moral there needs to be some religious underpinning behind accumulation of wealth. All religions urge their followers to live a life of simplicity, charity, and service to mankind which looks awful lot like socialism or communism rather then capitalism. Jesus was especially critical of wealth and the accumulation of wealth, Budha preached poverty, mohammed didn't seem to mind pursit of wealth as much but he emphesized charity and service quite a bit. As I stated the only religion that encourages accumulation of wealth and greed is satanism.
As for your other arguments they apply to mores and not morals. The idea of religion is NOT to promote freedom. Religion says that your must put aside your freedom and your base desires and bend to God's will. Satanists say "do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law" while Christianity implies "do what God wilt shall be whole of the law". The goal of a christian is to do gods will, not their own. Often times that requires subjugating your freedom to a higher power. As a jew or a moslem you may desire to eat a ham sandwich. In a free world you can eat ham sandwitches but if you believe in god then you have to subjugate your desire to eat a ham sandwich and give up that freedom.
A lot of this has to with the abysmal state of the english language. People frequently confuse liberty (or sufferage) with freedom. Freedom is an abstract concept while liberty is a political one. To a religious person freedom is a futile and somewhat evil pursuit. While liberty may be a worthwhile one if it coinsides with God's will. God's will on earth and all that.
BTW are you seriously saying that the "pursuit of money and greed" are not the main driving engine of capitalism or that they have nothing to do with capitalism. I don't know where you get your definition of capitalism but from where I stand capitalism has a lot to do with capital. Maybe there is some strain of capitalism that does not contain greed, gluttony, envy, avarice, covetousness, pride etc as it's driving force but I have never seen it. Can you point me at a capitalistic state that does not encourage it's people to practice the seven deadly sins?
Face it capitalism is good only insofar as greed is good. I know many people make the argument that greed is good but I suspect they do this to try and justify their own greed. It certainly does not come from any religion (except satanism as I said).
And that sentiment goes for all corporations vs actual humans. Or as another person said. "we are all palestenians now".
You can call yourself whatever you want. I just call them as I see them. We kill they die. We are the predetor they are the prey. The rest of the world is there so that we can eat and buy britney spears DVDs. Their existance is good only if it directly benefits us. Otherwise we kill them because they have no worth or value to us. Much like a farmer may kill a cow who is not producing enough milk and eat it. The rest of the world is our cattle.
Well I don't know where you get your definition of morality from. I think you are making it up as you go along. You are simply justifying what you do every day by declaring it a "moral" act.
I can think of no religion, no shaman, no spiritualist anywhere in the world who has said that pursuit of money, greed, buying and selling things are worthwhile goals or means of human moral growth. Not aristotle, not jesus, not budha, not moses, not mohammed. None of them said the path to morality and spiritual growth is through commerce.
OK I just thought of someone. It was Anton Levey the founder of modern day satanism. The goals of capitalism are exactly aligned with the goals of satanism and diametrically opposed to the goals of christianity, budhism, islam, and judaism.
Like I said you are just making it up as go along because it makes you feel better. Go ahead and declare yourself moral becasue you like to buy shiny new things it's better for the economy.
Well I live in America and of course I take an American point of view. We Americans use disproportianaly large amounts of the worlds resources. We are richer then the rest of the world, we have more bombs then the rest of the world. We can go anywhere we want, kill whoever we want, do whatever we want and nobody can say jack shit. We have recognized early on in our evolutions that right and wrong, moral and immoral, good and evil are antiquated values the backwards rest of the world uses. We have only one value and one that was expressed so clearly by an American "I's rather be a hammer then a nail". It's better to be rich then poor, it's better to be powerful then week.
Take the course of recent history for example. Some terrorists killed almost three thousand Americans. This is an extremely small percentage of the population and in fact more people die of smoking EVERY WEEK in America. Nevertheless we bombed and entire country!. We must have killed 10 to 20 thousand people easy. We sent troops all over the world including places like philipines, yemen, singapore and god knows where else.
It's our world, it's there to serve us, we rule and if we let you live then count your blessings.
You can argue all you want but that is the reality.
Morality has no place in America. We are a capitalist society.
No I am making the argument that in addition to being exploitive it also harms the US economy. One does not preclude the other.
"Mozilla will hopefully change the story, but it's YEARS too late in an industry that works on Internet time. "
No it's not too late at all.
Right now I prefer mozilla to IE on my windows box. It loads faster, it renders faster, it has more features then IE and it crashes less. No I am not kidding it's true. I honestly don't know how people get along without tabs and gestures they simply don't know what they are missing. Not only that but Moz does not cram advertising down my throat whenever I make a typo in the URL bar, it does not have crypic and misleading "options" like "enable profile assistant" and "show friendly HTTP messages". In other words it does not lie to me and try and fool me into giving up my privacy.
All we have to do is to make this knowledge widespread. Tell everybody you know that mozilla is better, faster and safer then IE because it's the truth. IE and Mozilla are designed for different things. Mozilla is designed to deliver the best web browsing experience possible IE is designed to deliver advertising to people who use windows, to increase hit counts at MSN, to get people to sign up for hotmail, to get people to sign up for passport. Different products for different purposes.
If you want to browse the web use mozilla if you want to receive adversing and help Bill Gates make more money use IE.
Let's see if a 14 year old girl is working in vietnam 14 hours for $2.00 then everybody who makes more will one day be unemployed.
Probably you don't care because your job is not at risk but do you really think moving manufacturing to third world countries and the resultant unemployment in the US has no consequences to you?
Besides what makes you think corporations will stop there? They already make use of prison labor in the US and the US has the higest rate of incarsaration in the world. It would be trivial for corporatiosn to push for draconian laws making jaywalking a life offense and then having a massive pool of slaves ready to provide labor for free. To a corporation there is nothing sweeter then a nation full of slaves.
That had got to be the craziest thing I have ever seen. It's awsome but nuts! Does it actually work?
Useful to who? It's very useful to MS. MS sells that advertising. Everytime a windows user makes a mistake Bill G makes more money!.
You are overlooking one thing. People will be forced to go search engines that are bad. For example the MS sheeple are now forced to go to MSN whenever they make a typo in a URL. Of course if they had more brains then two dead flies they might be able to change it for a while but we know windows is not aimed at people with brains and besides which it will eventually reset your preference anyway.
I don't get it? What is that link supposed to prove?
Look I make a simple point the "Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine" is a right wing FUD organization (er I mean a thinktank). It is funded by right wing groups and it's purpose is to try and discredit global warming and indeed fight every piece of environmental law that might cost it's sugar daddies some money. That point is pretty much indisputable. Go read their front page.
What I find very amusing is the republican line has changed. For a long time they denied global warming existed at all. I remember a couple of years ago conservative press kept harping about how it was all a lie. Now they have changed their story. They seem to vaccilate between. "Global warming exists but it's not our fault" and "Global warming exists but it's good for you!". I guess when nobody believed their first lie they had to make up new ones.
Why would patents stop MS? They have stolen technology before. They simply drag the case out till the other company is almost bankrupt and then offer a settlement for pennies on the dollar. Remember this is a company which bitchslaps the dept of justice around like a two dollar whore. You think they are afraid of the patent office?
"The features are useful for programmers and ultimately benefit end users by permitting more interactive Web sites."
if what you say is true then mozilla will rule the world. XPCOM, XUL, XML-RPC, XPConnect, javascript debugger, dom inspector I could go on and on. Mozilla is a playground for programmers like no other. Oh yea I almost forgot IT'S OPEN SOURCE!. You can actually play with the code of mozilla itself.
1) Schools don't start off teaching ejbs in fact I will bet serious money that no accredited university actually teaches EJBs. They teach java which has been around many years and has proven itself in the acedemic and the commercial world (a claim that C# can not make yet).
2) If you want to teach OOP teach lisp or smalltalk.
3) If you can learn oop from both C# and Java AND you are already teaching java then why switch? Makes no sense.
If you don't understand then perhaps you ought to take the time learn more about meteorology and climatology. Not everything is easily understood by a laymen and the pysics involved in meteorology is very difficult indeed.
You link to the oism.org site proves your ignorance (or malice). The oism is a sham and has been exposed many times in the media. It's a republican organization whose job is to spread anti environmental FUD. Go to their home page and read what is says there. It consists of six people and one building. Pointing to a extreme right wing organization and saying "see they say there is no such thing as global warming" probably fools the ignorant masses and the Rush Limbaugh amen corner but your audience here is probably more educated then the knuckle draggers you are used to speaking to.
Just spend a few minutes browsing the oism site and the IPCC site and you'll see who knows what. One site is full of scientific studies and rich in information the other is a right wing propaganda site.
I don't know jack shit about covey guy but if he is a successful person he did not do it by ignoring his enemies and people who are out to destroy him. Ms is out to destroy open source and it will do this by any means possible including getting OSS development declared illegal and throwing people in jail. MS has declared war and you can either ignore it and die or fight back.
Wha? I have never needed this so called "feature". For me just the fact that Mozilla does not force me to go to MSN every time I make a typo is good enough. Add faster rendering, faster loading, tabs, gestures, ability to block ads, ability to block pop ups etc and it wins hands down. It kicks IE ass all over the place for real life use.