Just a question for you... What do you think a newly-created world would look like (how does one distinguish a newly-created world from one billions of years old)?
Would a God capable of creating the entire universe and everything in it not be able to create a world with what appears to be decayed organic matter?
Would it be intellegent to create a world with matter in varying stages at the beginning (basically a world with it's ecology/geology already set in motion)? Would a God that's powerful enough to create matter be restricted to only creating living matter and then waiting for it to decompose...or could he create decomposed organic matter?
To say that fossles and fossel fuel are contradictory or mutually exclusive with creationism reflects a serious consideration/understanding of what creationists believe...and how powerful/amazing they see God as being.
Have you ever considered that being a creationist is a sure sign that God makes mistakes because he made you? To find truth is christianity. To beleive in our God and to worship him as the gateway to salvation. Not to rebute 200 years of scientific evidence with some pithy idea that doesn't hold water.
UMD is new, UMD may or may not fall in price. If it doesn't it's doomed to be a niche product... but how expensive were DVD's when they were new? 40-60 dollars. So it's relativly the same, it's hoped they will come down as more manufactuers get into them.
Remember, the standard for RPGs have been set by games like the Final Fantasy series, the Star Oceans, and XenoGears/Sagas. Unfortunately short play RPGs like JE and Fable doesn't do anything but support the fact that American development houses still can't compete with Japanese ones.... Okay, go up to a villager in FFX, press the talk button, how many different responses are there? Now go up to a NPC in PS:T and ask it. Chances are the PS:T one has more responses. The difference in game play hours isn't about the non-japanese developers not putting in as much effort. They simply put effort into different things. The stories told by the japanese devlopers are different then the ones by the other developers. #0 hours of compelling interesting play and story beats 60 hours of padding and 20 hours of good compelling game.
The 80-100 hours were about 60 hours of padding (leveling, exploration of villages/villagers that had 1 line of text to say), 10 hours of fmv's, 10 hours of actual interesting game play (boss battles, mini games).
KOTOR, Jade, and PS:T replaces the 60 hours of padding with 15 hours of dialogues that were well written and entertaining. So you get 30 hours of entertainment from them... while maybe 20 fromt he FF serries. I still love FF but a lot of it is padding.
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Nit Pick: Splinter cell is canadian/french. And thus not US made, also the french influence makes it completely evil.
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I'll have you know KOTOR is not a "made in the USA" product. It's canadian. I have a friend who works there, we drink real beer and watch the girls flash every friday. As for innovation, I'm sure every innovative game fromt he US has a canadian working on it:)
Whoever modded this done is a little weird, this was a valid comment.
There is a "DONE" mod now? damn that could be useful. All those "in soviet" ect.. jokes deserve "-done before by smarter people" or all thos threads that expand forever can get slapped with a -1 done.
The idea that psycopaths could be locked up indefinitely without committing a crime that carries a life sentence is a relatively new proposal to me, I first heard about it in 1999.
Canada has a "dangerous offenders" label. This allows indefinite detention to those labeled a habitual danger to the public. It's rarely used (out of a pop of 32 mil, about 15 have been labeled DA). It's somewhat undemocratic but is a useful tool to protect the public, which is the whole reason a government exsists.
Being sent to prison is not just a way to keep criminals from harming society (again), it's also (primarily?) a punishment..
This would be more effective, it carries less of the "desperation" effect that the death penalty causes, while severly punishing the criminal.
When he wakes, everyone he knows is now dead. He's cut off from his criminal networks/community, Everything he knows is now useless.
Severe penalties don't deter crime, they encourage desprate attempts to avoid arrest. Instead of giving up to the police when he's caught for armed robbery, he'll take prisoners. Instead of quitely leaving the scene of a crime, he will kill all witnesses.
The point of the justice system should be crime prevention and severe penalties don't do that. For some criminals such as pedophiles and sex offenders I think capital punishment is justified since their rates of re-offence is extremely high but for other crimes it should be re-hibilitation. Even killing pedophiles and sex offenders after a few offences can result in more brutal crimes, but the same pool of degenerates tend to commit many of those offences so simply killing them would reduce those types of crime.
R&D in these areas are being done by Indian and Chinese nationals, even in the US. Why do you think that we have some advantage in this area?
Infrastructure. Now the 2nd world has inet access we need other infrastuture tools. Thats raw chemical infrastructure that they may not have as well as a lot of the tools (electron micro scopes, samples of certain proteases ect..). Right now we have a slight edge. LEverage it and we can stay on top.
The only solution is to drive developement where they can't go yet. Biotech/nanotech. We have to pour money and employ all our resources into developing those two technologies.
You have no idea what evolution is, your using a false definition to forward a backwards arguement. What evolution is, is a selection and sepciation and the build up of phenotypic variation in populations not individual changes from one generation to the next. Deformaties and mutation do occur and are the source of variety but evolution is changing ratios and mating habits not sudden change from one speciies to another.
Your arguement is actuall incredibly dumb. But I'm sure 50 other people pointed that out.
Ironically, a primary reason for breeding wingless fruit flies is so they DON'T survive (i.e., they become fish food). So, this is an example of artificial selection, as nature would not be so favorable of this result on its own. But, even though you now have wingless fruit flies, there is no doubt in anyone's mind that these are still fruit flies. They don't turn into some other species simply because their anatomy can be bred to different characteristics. Researchers have been mutating fruit flies through many thousands of generations--the equivalent in humans of millions of years--and the end result is... fruit flies!
Again, this is evolution. You can't define the evidence away, natural or artificial thats how evolutions works and your definition of species is also incorrect. There new fruit flies have a new phenotype and if they can't breed with the old ones, their a new specieis. this is evolution, no more no less. The is the mechanism and that is the en product. The mutatiosn we add in are adiditonal triats. If any make them un matable with the original pheno type we have then artificially created a species. NAture does this often. The only part you are missing in your head is itteration.
New pheno types are mutated in, and then selected for.
Pick up a ball and drop it. Now do it again. Now, once more for good measure. Nope, I can't see the difference between theories. Oh WAIT! Experiments based on gravity are REPEATABLE! *gasp* But please, continue with your solid "fact" of evolution and the big bang. I'll be waiting to see video of the repeatability of your experiments. I'm sure they aren't solely based on observations. Of things supposedly 14 billion years in the past. Because I'm sure someone had a camcorder rolling.
Your post shows you don't understand evolution. You haven't even an idea of what the theory is about. To see a solid example of evolution, take a bottle of fruit flies (100,000 + ), kill any that have wings (there is always a set of deformed fruit flies in any population large enough), then let the survivors breed. repeat 20 times, and you have a population of wingless fruit flies. This is evolution happening right in front of your eyes.
Pick up a ball and drop it. Now do it again. Now, once more for good measure. Nope, I can't see the difference between theories. Oh WAIT! Experiments based on gravity are REPEATABLE! *gasp* But please, continue with your solid "fact" of evolution and the big bang. I'll be waiting to see video of the repeatability of your experiments. I'm sure they aren't solely based on observations. Of things supposedly 14 billion years in the past. Because I'm sure someone had a camcorder rolling.
You show you don't understand evolutionary theory beyond a rudementry high school level. Take a batch of fruit flies (100,000 plus). Not squish any with wings. Let them breed, and repeat. Do this 20-30 times and you now have a population of wingless fruit flies. Evolution, as undeniable as dropping a ball. Repeatable too but only wiht sufficiently big numbers.
If one believes God created us, then one can accept on faith that there are some things which we cannot understand - like how God exists in the first place. We have finite minds, our minds cannot comprehend something always existing, but I know it's true because I'm willing to accept it on faith.
I find it much more reasonable to believe it was created with a snap of the fingers and admit I cannot understand how God could always exist than to believe this Awesome Universe "evolved" exactly the way it did!
I find it much more reasonable that I wrote your post then to beleive that it evolved out of the random soup of the internet. Thus I must be denying 200 years and thousands of independant pieces of information and the entire biology branch of science to support a theological idea that a minority of christians hold.
Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered ----------------------- as is the theory of creation, both should be equally taken in with an open mind, and studied carefully. -----------------------
Gravity is actually just a theory too, the whole law thing is just a name. So should consider non-gravity as a equal theory? How about the theory the earth is round, it's onyl a theory after all. Perfectly valid explanations of how it's "flat but all the evidence to the contrary is faked" also exist, should we consider both of the equally?
This is what the Star Trek franchise is all about. It is a celebration of what man CAN be
You forgot to include a collary, it's
"It is a celebration of what man CAN be if we were all had frontal lobotomies, most laws of physics didn't apply, technology could do everything we need of it, small field deployed changes to hardware can drastically change their behavior and abilities, all other important species are humanoid, and people in red shirts who have the rank ensign always die within 4 minutes of appearing with a main character"
Given those collaries star trek is predicting the future.
also if you modeled your life after those characters you'd be a well groomed, self-rightous prick thats speaks like he's doing a bad play and would be shunned by all other human beings except fellow trek nerds.
Guess you don't ever talk on a landline then because the technology in them hasn't changed since Alexander Graham Bell.
On one side thats true, The touch tone phones you use aren't very much different in principle then the ones Alexander used.
On the other side, the routing of the calls is not much different. Alexanders routing system (operators) would have some difficulty routing the modern traffic patterns.
Why does no one (big company or university) sue the ISPs that let own3d boxez and zombies connect and stay connected? if the ISPs looked for the zombis and told those users how to be good "netizens", and offered a CD of EASY TO USE removal software, the spam problem would disappear over night, without bots, no one could send 100,000,000 emails per day.
ISP's aren't responsible for the content. Their sort of like common couriers.
the typical RTS formula, harvest, and hoard until you can build your best units
You don't play blizzard RTS's competitively do you? If your play startcraft/warcraft 3 try that strategy against me and see how successful you'll be. A good RTS will work a making many strategies effective. The bad ones will over power one unit (med tanks in c&c) and it's a race to see who has more of those. A good one will have effective units at all tiers but make you have to trade-off for them. A early rush will set your opponent on edge and hurt his early effort but it slows you down, late game teching will sacrafice early developement for late game dominance.
"Ah, the U.S... The world watches the U.S., while the U.S. watches the boob tube."
The world watches in fear that you will invade them and steal their natural resources... all the ones that can't defend themselves that is. The ones that can, just send their spies to make a mockery of your spy agencies and steal all of your technological secrets.
"Actually, yes. The universe is fine tuned to many, many orders of magnitude greater than the best possible human engineering. If any physical constants were different by one part in ten to the umpteenth power, no life of any form could have existed at any time or place in the universe."
I assume you haven't kept up with astronomy or quantum physics? Fine tuned? not really.
"There are many problems with biological evolution.
The main one: That the lineage can be traced back to a "root.""
check out philogenetic trees and common mutations. The genomes are all over the map but relationships can be build. No common root is required. A single generation can cause the loss or gain of a chromosome. What you get is often sterile,terminal, or different but would you accuse a down syndrom child of not exsisting?
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Just a question for you... What do you think a newly-created world would look like (how does one distinguish a newly-created world from one billions of years old)?
Would a God capable of creating the entire universe and everything in it not be able to create a world with what appears to be decayed organic matter?
Would it be intellegent to create a world with matter in varying stages at the beginning (basically a world with it's ecology/geology already set in motion)? Would a God that's powerful enough to create matter be restricted to only creating living matter and then waiting for it to decompose...or could he create decomposed organic matter?
To say that fossles and fossel fuel are contradictory or mutually exclusive with creationism reflects a serious consideration/understanding of what creationists believe...and how powerful/amazing they see God as being.
Have you ever considered that being a creationist is a sure sign that God makes mistakes because he made you? To find truth is christianity. To beleive in our God and to worship him as the gateway to salvation. Not to rebute 200 years of scientific evidence with some pithy idea that doesn't hold water.
UMD is new, UMD may or may not fall in price. If it doesn't it's doomed to be a niche product... but how expensive were DVD's when they were new? 40-60 dollars. So it's relativly the same, it's hoped they will come down as more manufactuers get into them.
Remember, the standard for RPGs have been set by games like the Final Fantasy series, the Star Oceans, and XenoGears/Sagas. Unfortunately short play RPGs like JE and Fable doesn't do anything but support the fact that American development houses still can't compete with Japanese ones. ... Okay, go up to a villager in FFX, press the talk button, how many different responses are there? Now go up to a NPC in PS:T and ask it. Chances are the PS:T one has more responses. The difference in game play hours isn't about the non-japanese developers not putting in as much effort. They simply put effort into different things. The stories told by the japanese devlopers are different then the ones by the other developers. #0 hours of compelling interesting play and story beats 60 hours of padding and 20 hours of good compelling game.
The 80-100 hours were about 60 hours of padding (leveling, exploration of villages/villagers that had 1 line of text to say), 10 hours of fmv's, 10 hours of actual interesting game play (boss battles, mini games).
KOTOR, Jade, and PS:T replaces the 60 hours of padding with 15 hours of dialogues that were well written and entertaining. So you get 30 hours of entertainment from them... while maybe 20 fromt he FF serries. I still love FF but a lot of it is padding.
Nit Pick: Splinter cell is canadian/french. And thus not US made, also the french influence makes it completely evil.
I'll have you know KOTOR is not a "made in the USA" product. It's canadian. I have a friend who works there, we drink real beer and watch the girls flash every friday. As for innovation, I'm sure every innovative game fromt he US has a canadian working on it :)
Whoever modded this done is a little weird, this was a valid comment.
There is a "DONE" mod now? damn that could be useful. All those "in soviet" ect.. jokes deserve "-done before by smarter people" or all thos threads that expand forever can get slapped with a -1 done.
The idea that psycopaths could be locked up indefinitely without committing a crime that carries a life sentence is a relatively new proposal to me, I first heard about it in 1999.
Canada has a "dangerous offenders" label. This allows indefinite detention to those labeled a habitual danger to the public. It's rarely used (out of a pop of 32 mil, about 15 have been labeled DA). It's somewhat undemocratic but is a useful tool to protect the public, which is the whole reason a government exsists.
That would just defeat the purpose of prison.
Being sent to prison is not just a way to keep criminals from harming society (again), it's also (primarily?) a punishment..
This would be more effective, it carries less of the "desperation" effect that the death penalty causes, while severly punishing the criminal.
When he wakes, everyone he knows is now dead. He's cut off from his criminal networks/community, Everything he knows is now useless.
Severe penalties don't deter crime, they encourage desprate attempts to avoid arrest. Instead of giving up to the police when he's caught for armed robbery, he'll take prisoners. Instead of quitely leaving the scene of a crime, he will kill all witnesses.
The point of the justice system should be crime prevention and severe penalties don't do that. For some criminals such as pedophiles and sex offenders I think capital punishment is justified since their rates of re-offence is extremely high but for other crimes it should be re-hibilitation. Even killing pedophiles and sex offenders after a few offences can result in more brutal crimes, but the same pool of degenerates tend to commit many of those offences so simply killing them would reduce those types of crime.
I sense a disturbance in the force....as if a Dozen webservers suddenly cried out ...and were then silenced.
R&D in these areas are being done by Indian and Chinese nationals, even in the US. Why do you think that we have some advantage in this area?
Infrastructure. Now the 2nd world has inet access we need other infrastuture tools. Thats raw chemical infrastructure that they may not have as well as a lot of the tools (electron micro scopes, samples of certain proteases ect..). Right now we have a slight edge. LEverage it and we can stay on top.
The only solution is to drive developement where they can't go yet. Biotech/nanotech. We have to pour money and employ all our resources into developing those two technologies.
You have no idea what evolution is, your using a false definition to forward a backwards arguement. What evolution is, is a selection and sepciation and the build up of phenotypic variation in populations not individual changes from one generation to the next. Deformaties and mutation do occur and are the source of variety but evolution is changing ratios and mating habits not sudden change from one speciies to another.
Your arguement is actuall incredibly dumb. But I'm sure 50 other people pointed that out.
Ironically, a primary reason for breeding wingless fruit flies is so they DON'T survive (i.e., they become fish food). So, this is an example of artificial selection, as nature would not be so favorable of this result on its own. But, even though you now have wingless fruit flies, there is no doubt in anyone's mind that these are still fruit flies. They don't turn into some other species simply because their anatomy can be bred to different characteristics. Researchers have been mutating fruit flies through many thousands of generations--the equivalent in humans of millions of years--and the end result is... fruit flies!
Again, this is evolution. You can't define the evidence away, natural or artificial thats how evolutions works and your definition of species is also incorrect. There new fruit flies have a new phenotype and if they can't breed with the old ones, their a new specieis. this is evolution, no more no less. The is the mechanism and that is the en product. The mutatiosn we add in are adiditonal triats. If any make them un matable with the original pheno type we have then artificially created a species. NAture does this often. The only part you are missing in your head is itteration.
New pheno types are mutated in, and then selected for.
Pick up a ball and drop it. Now do it again. Now, once more for good measure. Nope, I can't see the difference between theories. Oh WAIT! Experiments based on gravity are REPEATABLE! *gasp* But please, continue with your solid "fact" of evolution and the big bang. I'll be waiting to see video of the repeatability of your experiments. I'm sure they aren't solely based on observations. Of things supposedly 14 billion years in the past. Because I'm sure someone had a camcorder rolling.
Your post shows you don't understand evolution. You haven't even an idea of what the theory is about. To see a solid example of evolution, take a bottle of fruit flies (100,000 + ), kill any that have wings (there is always a set of deformed fruit flies in any population large enough), then let the survivors breed. repeat 20 times, and you have a population of wingless fruit flies. This is evolution happening right in front of your eyes.
Pick up a ball and drop it. Now do it again. Now, once more for good measure. Nope, I can't see the difference between theories. Oh WAIT! Experiments based on gravity are REPEATABLE! *gasp* But please, continue with your solid "fact" of evolution and the big bang. I'll be waiting to see video of the repeatability of your experiments. I'm sure they aren't solely based on observations. Of things supposedly 14 billion years in the past. Because I'm sure someone had a camcorder rolling.
You show you don't understand evolutionary theory beyond a rudementry high school level. Take a batch of fruit flies (100,000 plus). Not squish any with wings. Let them breed, and repeat. Do this 20-30 times and you now have a population of wingless fruit flies. Evolution, as undeniable as dropping a ball. Repeatable too but only wiht sufficiently big numbers.
If one believes God created us, then one can accept on faith that there are some things which we cannot understand - like how God exists in the first place. We have finite minds, our minds cannot comprehend something always existing, but I know it's true because I'm willing to accept it on faith.
I find it much more reasonable to believe it was created with a snap of the fingers and admit I cannot understand how God could always exist than to believe this Awesome Universe "evolved" exactly the way it did!
I find it much more reasonable that I wrote your post then to beleive that it evolved out of the random soup of the internet. Thus I must be denying 200 years and thousands of independant pieces of information and the entire biology branch of science to support a theological idea that a minority of christians hold.
Evolution is a theory, not a fact, regarding the origin of living things. This material should be approached with an open mind, studied carefully, and critically considered
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as is the theory of creation, both should be equally taken in with an open mind, and studied carefully.
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Gravity is actually just a theory too, the whole law thing is just a name. So should consider non-gravity as a equal theory? How about the theory the earth is round, it's onyl a theory after all. Perfectly valid explanations of how it's "flat but all the evidence to the contrary is faked" also exist, should we consider both of the equally?
This is what the Star Trek franchise is all about. It is a celebration of what man CAN be
You forgot to include a collary, it's
"It is a celebration of what man CAN be if we were all had frontal lobotomies, most laws of physics didn't apply, technology could do everything we need of it, small field deployed changes to hardware can drastically change their behavior and abilities, all other important species are humanoid, and people in red shirts who have the rank ensign always die within 4 minutes of appearing with a main character"
Given those collaries star trek is predicting the future.
also if you modeled your life after those characters you'd be a well groomed, self-rightous prick thats speaks like he's doing a bad play and would be shunned by all other human beings except fellow trek nerds.
Guess you don't ever talk on a landline then because the technology in them hasn't changed since Alexander Graham Bell.
On one side thats true, The touch tone phones you use aren't very much different in principle then the ones Alexander used.
On the other side, the routing of the calls is not much different. Alexanders routing system (operators) would have some difficulty routing the modern traffic patterns.
Why does no one (big company or university) sue the ISPs that let own3d boxez and zombies connect and stay connected? if the ISPs looked for the zombis and told those users how to be good "netizens", and offered a CD of EASY TO USE removal software, the spam problem would disappear over night, without bots, no one could send 100,000,000 emails per day.
ISP's aren't responsible for the content. Their sort of like common couriers.
the typical RTS formula, harvest, and hoard until you can build your best units
You don't play blizzard RTS's competitively do you? If your play startcraft/warcraft 3 try that strategy against me and see how successful you'll be. A good RTS will work a making many strategies effective. The bad ones will over power one unit (med tanks in c&c) and it's a race to see who has more of those. A good one will have effective units at all tiers but make you have to trade-off for them. A early rush will set your opponent on edge and hurt his early effort but it slows you down, late game teching will sacrafice early developement for late game dominance.
"Ah, the U.S... The world watches the U.S., while the U.S. watches the boob tube."
The world watches in fear that you will invade them and steal their natural resources... all the ones that can't defend themselves that is. The ones that can, just send their spies to make a mockery of your spy agencies and steal all of your technological secrets.
"Actually, yes. The universe is fine tuned to many, many orders of magnitude greater than the best possible human engineering. If any physical constants were different by one part in ten to the umpteenth power, no life of any form could have existed at any time or place in the universe."
I assume you haven't kept up with astronomy or quantum physics? Fine tuned? not really.
"There are many problems with biological evolution.
,terminal, or different but would you accuse a down syndrom child of not exsisting?
The main one: That the lineage can be traced back to a "root.""
check out philogenetic trees and common mutations. The genomes are all over the map but relationships can be build. No common root is required. A single generation can cause the loss or gain of a chromosome. What you get is often sterile