There is no human like Intelligence. Computers can still do inductions ect.. but in a manner that is alien to human intelligence. Most people think human intelligence to be the goal of AI. That hard. But makign a decision making machine would count as AI too? And that would eb simple.. Lisp can do that.
For the AI it lacks the same built in programming as the child. The child is a automiton with a complicated program. It's point of reference is the real world. It's still a finite state machine. It's a construct.
The AI is the same but much simplier in many ways. It also doens't have the same built in rules.
You gave the child instructiosn within the framework of what he understands. You also gave the computer instructions wihtin what he understands. It's not that we're any mroe advanced, we just happen to come with a grasp of the psysical world.. because we live in it. Inductive reasoning is basically logic. computers do it too but in a really alien way.
Otherwise your robot will attempt to stuff the fancy coffee maker you just bought your wife for Christmas into the trash because it was never programmed to recognize that shape and its nearest model is "useless trash object" coupled with routine "dispose of trash". Or wash the cat in a washing machine: "dirty fur". Essentially you are describing a mindless automaton, akin to the mechanical dolls of 18th century, only yours has a lot of cogs in it. Your "solution" to making it appear more intelligent is to make more cogs, forgetting completely that true intelligence is self-organizing.
Not so different from people. If I gave a rubix cube to a rwandan child. HE'd problbly use it liek a ball or throw it away.
it has always interested me how someone who believes in pure evolution (i.e. order from absolute randomness - disregarding whether there is such a thing or not) believes that we have a chance in hell of actually designing an AI.
We develope intellegnece all the time. But it just happens to be so alien to us we say it isn't intelligence. A computer has a problem, makes a decision to solve it ad infinatum but we dont' call it intellegence because some person had to tell it what the problem was and how to solve it. Does that mean all people aren't inteligent because someone has to tell it what the problem was or how to solve it.
Creating a intelligence is easy. Recreating our intelligience is hard. Nature/God has done it twice. Even dolphins and dogs are a different intelligence.
where did those rules come from? where did anything come from? what except randomness governed the first combination of proteins? what except randomness brought proteins about? The whole point of evolution is that given sufficient time and sufficient randomness, everything has to happen at some point or another. (I know the Infinite Improbability Drive was a joke, but let's be honest, it strikes a chord with evolutionary thinking doesn't it?)
You argument is basically a red herring. Evolutionary trait arise from randomness. but selection tell you whihc ones are passed on. Given enough time all combinations of triats and possibly all combinations of protiens (or amino acid ect..) that can exsist might arise. Not all events that might happen will.
Idiocy strike a cord with fundemntalists doesn't it. I see it in them so often.
Hard AI is bullshit. What's happening is this: they know they can't really make a machine think, so they're changing the definitions of thought - lowering the bar, as it were - so they can declare themselves victorious, and all publish their dorky papers and get tenure.
Losers. The lot of them.
The bar is non-exsistant. Most people dont' think. Just believe really hard.
I'm not sure why they do, especially an omniscent body like the US government who knows these things exist. It must be because they don't want to use them.
It's called "sombody to blame" syndrome. If they buy MS, any problems they have means they can lay a hefty law suit on MS. If they use the linux version from the NSA, all they got is to try to pin somehtign on the NSA. Plus support fromt he NSa woudl eb very limited, and they woudl also have to retrain hundreds of employees. Not all employees can pick up linux like a slashdot user. They will need months of training.
For MS, one of their aces is that most home users have their product. which means most fo the training on how to use XP/98 is done on the employees own time. For linux thats much rarer.
The Japanese discovered many new and interestign things about ballistics by shooting chinese civilians. the death toll in china from the japanese occupation range from 20-30 million.
Also, A lot of America's golden age of the 50's came directly out of stolen german scientists and science. Mengala actually contributed a lto to modern medicine btu through horribl horrible research. Nasa owes the German rocket program a lot, and at the time the Germans were two generations ahead of everybody else in almost every field except crytography and physics.
It is a sad fact, and one that keeps many games out of the Mac market.
And the fact that there is a miniscule install base for macs has nothign to do with the lack of mac games? or mac software? It's just evil bill making it too easy for the dumb programmers to makes software and games for windows thats doing it.
If a publisher can figure out how to convince best buy, compusa, wal-mart, etc. to carry Mac games and other mac related items. then maybe we can expect to see more mac games. But as long as the main channel are stores that consider 3 year old software as a "new release", we're going to have to live with the handful of gems and a lot of expensive junk.
Hi there Mr Walton, I want you to put these games in your stores. Admitidly all the potential market for these games are long hairded hippies dressed in prada gear that'd make your other customers uncomfortable and there really is only 12 of them in each city, but I'm sure you make some money selling these games.
Would it be too much to speculate that Apple can easily come out with a iGame console similarly sized like a Mac Mini?
Yes, way too much. Game consoles eat money until your one of the big players. With MS Sony and Nintnedo already in the field it'd be stupid for apple to enter the arena. MS is losing money still, So to expect apple to do it any better is naive. We might hate Ms but they aren't incompetent, they jst value different things.
Everyone is just waiting for Nintendo to blunder their way out of YET ANOTHER market.
Right, like the GC was a huge money sink hole, losing hundreds of millions a year. and the GBa and GBA sp were horrible paving the way for the N-gage to steal market share....
As far as I know, the GC is doing better world wide then the xbox, doing almost the same as the xbox in North America and is both makign money and havign a steady stream of hits. If my blunders are half as successful, I'd be more then happy with my life.
Cleaning out fallujah is not policing bagdad. Cleaning out fallujah is bombing a city. The vast majority of the troops are deployed near the oil fields and in a secure camp. They hardly venture into the cities. Thats why the iraqies have problems with the US. IF your here to liberate where the fuck are the troops to keep the peace? to control the crime? Since the standard police force have been basically disolved and the newly annointed cops seems to be the target of terrorist violence, they need soem help to keep the peace. Never forget that AId is never free or without strings. Thats the fallacy they want to feed to you. Aid always has strings.
And what exactly makes these two goals mutually exclusive?? Promoting liberty is a great thing. Looking after one's own economic interests is crucial for ANY country's survival....
Don't be naive, the US hasn't helped the iraqies. They have basically seized the oil and left the cities to fend for themselves. I'm not anti-US, but the current admin has botched this one. You'll be feelign it for a few decades after. IT's a mire.
You value journalists too highly. Even the most principaled and even handed of journalists will get the facts wrong more often then not. Because he/she is human and only holds an art degree and wa shired because he/she looks pretty and/or gives good head. For a print news, they jst happen to be too ugly for tv and spell properly.
What type of crack are you on? The basic issue is that people tend to crowd. In each and every case. So you must have each area server be able to handle at large proportion of the populace. So it doesn't scale well. Sharding is the easiest and simpliest solution. The suggestiosn you made woudl ruin any game. Make all distances longer? yeah walking for 2h is what I consider to be fun!
Even iff all issues with mobs are fixed and every mob can drop good and useful things, and each city has their own server, what happens when you start and 150k people need to go to the auction house to sell theur "useful item gained from anywhere int he world". You could make every city identical and have all the amenities and increase the number of cities.. but their no benifit to what you propose. It has game play value, A server of 4000 in a small land is likly more fun then a server fo 40000 with a medium area.
Microsoft is losing money on the xbox. Sony has been making money on the playstation for a while. Remember it's very old technology which has been production for a very long time.
Course, Blizzard seems to have almost nothing to do with this game, so we'll see if they hold it up to the same standards since their name's gonna be on it.
Actually Blizzard fire nihilistic and took over themselves. Now that WOW is out they have the man power. I think they initially out sourced it so they can concentrate on WOW. But nihilistic didn't do the gameplay up to blizz expected level of quality so they gave them the boot (paid them out) and took over.
Why is it that the best studios are the ones who often claim the mantra "when it's done" as their release date?
Doesn't that more or less tell you that movies are nothign liek video games. While a tiny glitch in a movie (say the mike was in a scene or a car was parked int he back ground of a fantasy movie) doesn't matter. But a tiny glitch in a game can ruin the whole game.
Somone needs to kick you in pants. The ones who follow their schedules religiously do so at the expense of the game. EA is one good example of time over quality. Delays hurt the company more then they do the fans. with each delay the fans expect more. With each delay the company burns money. They would love nothing more then to get the product out on time but the ones who wants somethign that lasts and shines spend extra time gettign it right.
Definitions are a man made construct. We could easily change the definition as the need arises. Universe is just a wrod and a idea. IF we build a worm hole to some place thats not here and called it a seperate universe and enough people go along with it, even if it's just going down the road thats "another universE". Definitions are about concensus.
Theory - The universe has existed for 13.7 billion years. It's a guess.
Educated estimation, not quiet the same as a guess.
Fact - The existence of Jesus Christ is generally accepted by all scholars.
Reports conflict on what he actually did and didn't do. And the Question if he was divine/divinly inspired vary and are meaningless to science because their just stories.
I'm sure your not a creationist, but don't portray things so simply.
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Free speech is an inalienable human right, not a matter of law.
On philisophical point: a right is something someone with the power of arms deigns to give you.
Bungie? Groud break? More like evolutionary. Their games aren't a terrible leap ahead of what is out there. Or what was out there.
There is no AI without that.
There is no human like Intelligence. Computers can still do inductions ect.. but in a manner that is alien to human intelligence. Most people think human intelligence to be the goal of AI. That hard. But makign a decision making machine would count as AI too? And that would eb simple.. Lisp can do that.
For the AI it lacks the same built in programming as the child. The child is a automiton with a complicated program. It's point of reference is the real world. It's still a finite state machine. It's a construct.
The AI is the same but much simplier in many ways. It also doens't have the same built in rules.
You gave the child instructiosn within the framework of what he understands. You also gave the computer instructions wihtin what he understands. It's not that we're any mroe advanced, we just happen to come with a grasp of the psysical world.. because we live in it. Inductive reasoning is basically logic. computers do it too but in a really alien way.
Otherwise your robot will attempt to stuff the fancy coffee maker you just bought your wife for Christmas into the trash because it was never programmed to recognize that shape and its nearest model is "useless trash object" coupled with routine "dispose of trash". Or wash the cat in a washing machine: "dirty fur". Essentially you are describing a mindless automaton, akin to the mechanical dolls of 18th century, only yours has a lot of cogs in it. Your "solution" to making it appear more intelligent is to make more cogs, forgetting completely that true intelligence is self-organizing.
Not so different from people. If I gave a rubix cube to a rwandan child. HE'd problbly use it liek a ball or throw it away.
it has always interested me how someone who believes in pure evolution (i.e. order from absolute randomness - disregarding whether there is such a thing or not) believes that we have a chance in hell of actually designing an AI.
We develope intellegnece all the time. But it just happens to be so alien to us we say it isn't intelligence. A computer has a problem, makes a decision to solve it ad infinatum but we dont' call it intellegence because some person had to tell it what the problem was and how to solve it. Does that mean all people aren't inteligent because someone has to tell it what the problem was or how to solve it.
Creating a intelligence is easy. Recreating our intelligience is hard. Nature/God has done it twice. Even dolphins and dogs are a different intelligence.
where did those rules come from? where did anything come from? what except randomness governed the first combination of proteins? what except randomness brought proteins about? The whole point of evolution is that given sufficient time and sufficient randomness, everything has to happen at some point or another. (I know the Infinite Improbability Drive was a joke, but let's be honest, it strikes a chord with evolutionary thinking doesn't it?)
You argument is basically a red herring. Evolutionary trait arise from randomness. but selection tell you whihc ones are passed on. Given enough time all combinations of triats and possibly all combinations of protiens (or amino acid ect..) that can exsist might arise. Not all events that might happen will.
Idiocy strike a cord with fundemntalists doesn't it. I see it in them so often.
I can and I have.
Hard AI is bullshit. What's happening is this: they know they can't really make a machine think, so they're changing the definitions of thought - lowering the bar, as it were - so they can declare themselves victorious, and all publish their dorky papers and get tenure.
Losers. The lot of them.
The bar is non-exsistant. Most people dont' think. Just believe really hard.
Or could be that Halo 2 was one of the biggest selling video games ever?
It had good sales. It's more notable for beign quick then copious.
I'm not sure why they do, especially an omniscent body like the US government who knows these things exist. It must be because they don't want to use them.
It's called "sombody to blame" syndrome. If they buy MS, any problems they have means they can lay a hefty law suit on MS. If they use the linux version from the NSA, all they got is to try to pin somehtign on the NSA. Plus support fromt he NSa woudl eb very limited, and they woudl also have to retrain hundreds of employees. Not all employees can pick up linux like a slashdot user. They will need months of training.
For MS, one of their aces is that most home users have their product. which means most fo the training on how to use XP/98 is done on the employees own time. For linux thats much rarer.
The Japanese discovered many new and interestign things about ballistics by shooting chinese civilians. the death toll in china from the japanese occupation range from 20-30 million.
Also, A lot of America's golden age of the 50's came directly out of stolen german scientists and science. Mengala actually contributed a lto to modern medicine btu through horribl horrible research. Nasa owes the German rocket program a lot, and at the time the Germans were two generations ahead of everybody else in almost every field except crytography and physics.
It is a sad fact, and one that keeps many games out of the Mac market.
And the fact that there is a miniscule install base for macs has nothign to do with the lack of mac games? or mac software? It's just evil bill making it too easy for the dumb programmers to makes software and games for windows thats doing it.
If a publisher can figure out how to convince best buy, compusa, wal-mart, etc. to carry Mac games and other mac related items. then maybe we can expect to see more mac games. But as long as the main channel are stores that consider 3 year old software as a "new release", we're going to have to live with the handful of gems and a lot of expensive junk.
Hi there Mr Walton, I want you to put these games in your stores. Admitidly all the potential market for these games are long hairded hippies dressed in prada gear that'd make your other customers uncomfortable and there really is only 12 of them in each city, but I'm sure you make some money selling these games.
Would it be too much to speculate that Apple can easily come out with a iGame console similarly sized like a Mac Mini?
Yes, way too much. Game consoles eat money until your one of the big players. With MS Sony and Nintnedo already in the field it'd be stupid for apple to enter the arena. MS is losing money still, So to expect apple to do it any better is naive. We might hate Ms but they aren't incompetent, they jst value different things.
Everyone is just waiting for Nintendo to blunder their way out of YET ANOTHER market.
Right, like the GC was a huge money sink hole, losing hundreds of millions a year. and the GBa and GBA sp were horrible paving the way for the N-gage to steal market share....
As far as I know, the GC is doing better world wide then the xbox, doing almost the same as the xbox in North America and is both makign money and havign a steady stream of hits. If my blunders are half as successful, I'd be more then happy with my life.
Cleaning out fallujah is not policing bagdad. Cleaning out fallujah is bombing a city. The vast majority of the troops are deployed near the oil fields and in a secure camp. They hardly venture into the cities. Thats why the iraqies have problems with the US. IF your here to liberate where the fuck are the troops to keep the peace? to control the crime? Since the standard police force have been basically disolved and the newly annointed cops seems to be the target of terrorist violence, they need soem help to keep the peace. Never forget that AId is never free or without strings. Thats the fallacy they want to feed to you. Aid always has strings.
And what exactly makes these two goals mutually exclusive?? Promoting liberty is a great thing. Looking after one's own economic interests is crucial for ANY country's survival....
Don't be naive, the US hasn't helped the iraqies. They have basically seized the oil and left the cities to fend for themselves. I'm not anti-US, but the current admin has botched this one. You'll be feelign it for a few decades after. IT's a mire.
You value journalists too highly. Even the most principaled and even handed of journalists will get the facts wrong more often then not. Because he/she is human and only holds an art degree and wa shired because he/she looks pretty and/or gives good head. For a print news, they jst happen to be too ugly for tv and spell properly.
What type of crack are you on? The basic issue is that people tend to crowd. In each and every case. So you must have each area server be able to handle at large proportion of the populace. So it doesn't scale well. Sharding is the easiest and simpliest solution. The suggestiosn you made woudl ruin any game. Make all distances longer? yeah walking for 2h is what I consider to be fun!
Even iff all issues with mobs are fixed and every mob can drop good and useful things, and each city has their own server, what happens when you start and 150k people need to go to the auction house to sell theur "useful item gained from anywhere int he world". You could make every city identical and have all the amenities and increase the number of cities.. but their no benifit to what you propose. It has game play value, A server of 4000 in a small land is likly more fun then a server fo 40000 with a medium area.
Microsoft is losing money on the xbox. Sony has been making money on the playstation for a while. Remember it's very old technology which has been production for a very long time.
Course, Blizzard seems to have almost nothing to do with this game, so we'll see if they hold it up to the same standards since their name's gonna be on it.
Actually Blizzard fire nihilistic and took over themselves. Now that WOW is out they have the man power. I think they initially out sourced it so they can concentrate on WOW. But nihilistic didn't do the gameplay up to blizz expected level of quality so they gave them the boot (paid them out) and took over.
Why is it that the best studios are the ones who often claim the mantra "when it's done" as their release date?
Doesn't that more or less tell you that movies are nothign liek video games. While a tiny glitch in a movie (say the mike was in a scene or a car was parked int he back ground of a fantasy movie) doesn't matter. But a tiny glitch in a game can ruin the whole game.
Somone needs to kick you in pants. The ones who follow their schedules religiously do so at the expense of the game. EA is one good example of time over quality. Delays hurt the company more then they do the fans. with each delay the fans expect more. With each delay the company burns money. They would love nothing more then to get the product out on time but the ones who wants somethign that lasts and shines spend extra time gettign it right.
Definitions are a man made construct. We could easily change the definition as the need arises. Universe is just a wrod and a idea. IF we build a worm hole to some place thats not here and called it a seperate universe and enough people go along with it, even if it's just going down the road thats "another universE". Definitions are about concensus.
Theory - The universe has existed for 13.7 billion years. It's a guess.
Educated estimation, not quiet the same as a guess.
Fact - The existence of Jesus Christ is generally accepted by all scholars.
Reports conflict on what he actually did and didn't do. And the Question if he was divine/divinly inspired vary and are meaningless to science because their just stories.
I'm sure your not a creationist, but don't portray things so simply.