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Google Fires Blogger?
Thomas Hawk writes "CNET is reporting that Mark Jen, a blogger whose candid comments about life on the job at Google sparked controversy last month, has left the company. CNET reports that it is not clear if he resigned or was fired but references a post at Google Blogoscoped where it was suggested that he may have been fired over his blog Ninetyninezeros. Given Google's push into the blogging space with their recent acquisition of Blogger it might be interesting to see how this shakes out."
Oh, the drama!
Hokey statistics and ancient misconceptions are no match for a good thought in your head, kid!
... this will be the last day Google is considered a Good company on Slashdot.
Whatever happened to "DO no evil"?
How about a link to the actual blog? It's still up...
Why? What does that have to do with anything?
Not employing bloggers at all seems a fair enough policy to me. Why pay someone to sit all day and think of "witty" things to write to other wasters?
TWW
"Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
It would only be right of Google firing tis guy if he broke his MBA of something. Otherwise Google made a big mistake!
Dashboard Widgets
Man criticises employer in public.
... why, exactly?
Employer fires man.
This is fascinating
It's clever and funny. I hope there's a portable spinoff called Melrose Pla CE.
Don't piss off your employer or when it's time for people to go you're the first one. I worked with a woman who was quite vocal at work about how she hated her job and she was looking for another and blah blah blah.
I was only there 6 months when the layoffs came up and she got the slip and I didn't. She flew off the handle that I should have went before she did. She didn't appreciate it when I mentioned she probably shouldn't have been so vocal about how she didn't like her job.
hi everyone, sorry my site has been down for the past day or so. i goofed and put some stuff up on my blog that's not supposed to be there. nothing serious and they didn't ask me to take anything down (even the stuff where i'm critical about the company). i'm learning that google is understandably careful about disclosing sensitive information, even vague financial-related things. the quickest way for me to fix the situation at the time was to take it all down. now i'm back up. just so you know, google was pretty cool about all this. thanks for and sorry for the frenzy of speculation.
It's obvious that Google had been aware of this guy's blog and while they didn't ask him to take anything down and they didn't ask him to stop he should have seen the writing on the wall and kept it down. He had a choice and he decided to bring it back up, but I am not about to speculate what would have happened if he hadn't.
Keep your opinions about work to yourself. If you don't like your job don't work there anymore. If you can't find a new job keep your mouth shut (to the Internet as well especially when you work for a firm full of Internet connected people that run THE search engine) until you do.
Just do your job and go home. Personally, I don't want to hear about anyone's work life outside of work and I certainly wouldn't want to describe mine to anyone else in my free time. Free time is exactly that. Time away from work!
More than just firing the person events like this make me wonder what the company is trying to hide. Does anyone have any idea what the personw as posting?
...of the professional world (damn these short comment titles!) is that you become a representative (somewhat) even on your own time. That means you respect the company's privacy and keep internal matters internal.
It's kind of like a family member airing all you dirty laundry. Do they have a right to be upset about your idiosynchrosies? Maybe, probably. Should they be telling the whole world about it? No... I think loyalty should be a driving factor here.
That said, I would have hoped that Google would be more lenient than this (assuming he was fired). But now they have public investors to think of, and they have to act more like a corporation than perhaps they have in the past. Sometimes that means tough love for employees who forget their first task is to make money for the company.
to keep anything you think or do outside of work secret to your employeer.
you have me from 9am-5pm you may fill me with opinions or ask my opinion however once my clock reads 5 i STFU and get the hell out.
Not for long...
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Would people be upset if he broke other rules and got fired?
"Well, he didn't like wearing pants. Doesn't Google know that some people just like to let it all hang out? What's wrong with some balls?"
It's my experience that many of the people that bitch the most about their job are the ones that deserve to get fired the most, anyway. C'mon, there's is always that one whiney co-worker that you always ask, "Why is s/he even WORKING here?"
...and all the comments that I've seen so far.
What did he actually write that made google unhappy?
Everything I've seen on his blog so far is pretty innocuous.
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Apparently this wasn't an issue of someone talking about their life at google, or their day-to-day tirals and tribulations on the job. This was someone releasing sensitive NDA information onto the net. While I don't like NDAs as much as the next guy its a pretty obvious breach of contract and an OK reason for firing. For everyone getting ready to start hating the last giant non-evil corp left, you're going to have to wait a few more weeks.
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I never considered them a good company for the last 2+ years, especially since they floated. I heard they are f$@%ers. It reminds me of Atari. They start off loved by all. Then they grow and get swallowed up by all the shitters that care nothing for IT,, they're just trying to turn google into a cha-ching $$$ band wagon.
I recently applied for a job with them but I will happily milk them for a few months and then fly off,
I've got some Karma to burn so I'm going to say this anyway.
For all the muppets who will respond about Google being a "bad" company, and how they were "good". FIRING PEOPLE HAPPENS, and sometimes ITS THE RIGHT THING TO DO. If one person is dragging down the morale of everyone else, should that be allowed to continue ? If one person is damaging the companies reputation, should that be allowed to continue ?
Firing people is something that happens. And it doesn't make companies "bad" or "good". In fact companies ARE NEVER bad or good its the PEOPLE in them that make bad or good decisions. Reference Microsoft, it was the will of a group of people to act as a monopoly and abuse that position.
For anyone who thinks about "Good" and "Bad" in a George Bush style way when looking at any part of the world, whether business or politics. GET OUTSIDE and see the shades, subscribe to the economist, read the Wall Street Journal, become a member of Green Peace and Amnesty International, but don't wear Rose Tinted specs and moan because ONE person got fired.
Google has ALWAYS been protective, and ALWAYS done some "odd" things. There is no tipping point of bad to good, the world is not as simple as "Whitehouse Politics 101".
An Eye for an Eye will make the whole world blind - Gandhi
Given Google's push into the blogging space with their recent acquisition of Blogger it might be interesting to see how this shakes out.
They bought Pyra in 2003. It's now 2005. This guy worked there for one month. I think your sense of perspective is a little out of whack.
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And so it begins...
unless you own the company, keep your comments to yourself. Don't name your company directly or share secrets about the company. especially on an open forum where people can see. stupid, just stupid to do, i don't feel sorry about him at all. use your head people.
Google may have had no chance but to fire this guy. The SEC is very strict about any kind of financial information employees share. Even a vague summary of an internal financial presentation posted to a blog could mean trouble. Any appearance of Google trying to talk up its stock through underhanded means would be investigated.
journalists commanded much power (and editors, even more so) because printed articles are a one-way message. writers always got the last word. then came the online forums and even there, arguments turn into flamewars where every post is a repeat, but people keep on posting because they want to be the last one to put their point of view in.
blog is a hybrid. you post and others can comment, but those comments are not as visible. if you have a blog with decent audience, you do get to put out the "last words" for the most part, while allowing some feedback.
i can understand why management wouldn't like this. it's uncensored and they feel powerless because they don't have the control and they don't get to reply in the same way.
however, i don't understand the mentality of a new hire doing the best he can to appear "pompous, inconsiderate, disloyal" employee (to the management) by complaining openly to the world (but not directly to those at the company) via his blog. it's almost as if he wanted to challenge his perceived "right" to post about google on his blog...
A googol is ten to the one hundredth power, written as a one followed by one hundred zeros.
Ninety nine zeros, the name of the blog, is a googol minus one.
And now we have Google, minus one. One named "Mark".
Maybe it's just because I'm a former math geek, but I just love the way this worked out...
Google India launches Google India Code Jam 2005 with a payoff of Rs. 3lakh (roughly enquivalent to $20k (my estimate after adjusting for cost of living and annual salaries)). This contest is also being organized by TopCoder.
The Google India News page also links to this news article about Anurag Acharya, a graduate of the Indian Institute of Technlogy and the engineer behind Google Scholar. Incidentally, Krishan Bharat the Principle Scientist at Google who created Google News is also an IIT graduate.
An Indian-American Hindu committed to non-violent thought/speech/action alarmed by the global explosion of radical Islam
Perhaps they fired him because of poor writing skills. I didn't see a sinlge capital letter on the whole page.
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Never use the services of the largest text searching company you work for, to bad mouth it.
The two have nothing to do with each other. If a janitor was trash-talking google, would that make it interesting if they purchased a janitorial service? If he had made the same comments in a newspaper, or on fliers stuck to the walls of bathrooms, Google would probably have had the same reaction to him. That they are purchasing Blogger is completely irrelevent.
You assume that Google did not have a clearly state blog policy.
I start by assuming that since he got fired so quickly, without much messing around, that Google had a clear policy, he violated it, and he was terminated.
wouldn't that be 99 nines?
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Firing idiots is no more evil than you taking aspirin for a headache.
I don't find anything he said to be too objectionable but looking at it from Google's perspective, his comments could have the effect of making them less competitive in attracting top-tier talent.
Let's face it, Google is positioning itself as the anti-Microsoft company. Most young, talented people are attracted by Google's image but for a lot of people, it really does come down to the all-mighty-dollar.
This guy didn't appear to be too socially adept (social outings seemed to bother him) so perhaps he wasn't aware of the impact of his comments. A shame, really.
-- You see, there would be these conclusions that you could jump to
Isn't /. a few days behind the times on this one?
hehe ;)
Google is a publicly traded company. They can be sued or run afoul of regulations if information not intended for public consumption leaks. They hire some guy who withing days (or was it hours) of being employed starts talking about private matters on a public blog. He showed extremely poor judgement. What else would he let slip? Safe thing to do is show him the door.
If I had gotten a job at google, I would have been a lot more careful.
This guy first ditches microsoft, because they don't want to code with extreme programming methods (laughs), and then gets himself fired from Google. I'm sorry, but what a dumbass. He doesn't know how lucky he is..
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The eariliest event I'm aware of is: http://www.dooce.com/archives/daily/03_07_2004.htm l
I had a sig once, but someone stole it.
What is it about being labeled a "blogger" that suddenly turns every "persecuted" mewling diarist into a martyr? This makes about as much sense as branding someone as a great novelist because his or her handwriting is neat and well-organized in a big fancy notebook. Yeah, I "blog." But I don't have any delusions about the waste of electrons I spew with each post. People once thought what they said on CB radio was pretty damned important, too. Come to think of it, blogging has a lot in common with CB radio. I bet it'll be just as fashionable in a few years. Like vacation slideshows.
ninety nine zeroes would be 0.....0,
which would be RIGHT(Googol, 99)
so the leading "10" would be missing.
Trolling using another account since 2005.
ok, i've taken it down off the damn site, now where that Clear Google Cache button?!
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Looking over this guy's blog it appears he's more interested in the social aspects of having a job than he is in the actual work. I think it may be a benefit for Microsoft to have lost him.
On January 1st, 2005 this google query returned only seven images: http://images.google.com/images?safe=off&q=abu+ghr aib+torture
u +ghraib+torture.
On the same day, this yahoo query returned hundereds http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?p=ab
It looked like google was actively filtering...they seem to have corrected it now.
This guy started working at Google January 17, 2005. He was fired within two weeks. Hardly newsworthy. Perhaps he should have acclimatized to the company culture before launching his blog. And in his first entry he talks about possibly turning it in to a book one day. If you were his boss and peers, even if his blog was benign, wouldn't that make you nervous?
I got ninteyninezero's but the null ain't one.
"hi, my name is mark jen. i used to work for microsoft, and now i work for google. this is a blog of my personal experience as a new google employee. everything here is my personal opinion and is not read or approved by google before it is posted. no warranties or other guarantees will be offered as to the quality of the opinions or anything else offered here. enjoy!"
Apparently Mark, it is read by someone at Google.
So, if you're unhappy at a job, vocal about it, then are not longer at that job why would anyone assume you didn't quit BECAUSE you were unhappy?
If this guy's boss even noticed the negative stuff on the blog and talked with him about it, it may have only served to bring into focus how unhappy he was working there, helping him decide to quit.
It's a nasty world out there. Google's big business; Blogging's big news: sure most of them are full of dumb crap, trite poetry and junk. But for people searching for up-to-date information, blogs can be quite handy.
For modern companies, the need to manage information flow is only increasing. It's not just lazy slashdotters who would be curious about what goes on inside Google on an operational level. Competitors, investors, thieves, customers, freaks and regulatory agencies are also curious, and none of them share all the interests of the company. It may seem harmless for some idiot to go out and spout seemingly harmless information about the personnel composition of the adsense project. And all those data points may not seem like much, when considered individually. As a whole, however, they constitute a very real vulnerability. Free flow of ideas is a good thing; just as long as capitalism ain't involved.
"Given Google's push into the blogging space with their recent acquisition of Blogger it might be interesting to see how this shakes out."
You misspelled "marklar."
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Google has a lot of power, in that they've got the search history of the planet at their querytips. Want to know which stock symbol is hot? Which celebrity is popular? Which kink that guy at searches for every night from 7-8:30PM? Which nanotech is getting all the attention from the Chinese universities?
Google got everyone all happy with their "don't be evil" pre-IPO hype. Now they've got all the info, all the metadata, all the money, and no accountability. Ignorance is strength!
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And why's that? Alot of people love to write, and alot of people like to read. Blogs bring these people together. What's the big deal?
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Hilarious.
Can anyone tell me what it is that's supposed to've brought down the wrath of the gods ?
I've read his blog, compared it what's in Google's own cache and also Yahoo's cache, I can't find *anything* that would lead to him getting fired.
He doesn't like the boring HR presentations, so what who the hell does ? He tells us they have his spiffy new laptop ready and his c00bical all kitted out for him when he arrives, which he applauds, big deal.
He seems a hell of a lot more positive about the company than negative, and yeah okay he was prolly dazzled a little by all the freebies, perks and other little baubles they threw at him when he arrived. But again, so what ??
Seriously, can someone tell me what this posted that was *such* a big deal ?
My employment contract states quite clearly that I do not discuss company policy outside of the company. If I do then I'll be picking up my P45!
Just about every other company has similar clauses in employment contracts, I would presume Google does too.
If the guy has been sacked then its his fault. This ain't a good-or-evil company issue, its simply a case of someone breaching his terms of employment, simple as that. I can't see what Google has done wrong here.
Whatever, troll.
It is just interesting how Google top dogs seem to be locking down on employee blogs that are at critical in any way. I don't think his blog was all that extremely negative.
One other note: seriously, don't you think that "onsite" everything screams "stay here longer and work" which is true for Google, and Morgan Stanley (where I've interviewed), and Microsoft, etc. etc. and you'd have to be rather clueless not to expect that? I even heard a Morgan Stanley employee mention publicly that they have a nap room (as well as a gym, free drinks, etc.). And in answer to number of hours a week usually, they said, "We're not a punch-in, punch-out type of place...".
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I'd have fired the whiny little prick too - anyone who leaves a party with FREE drinks and booze because it's a "little bit like a frat party" deserves to have thier ass fired !
Way to go Google !
Damn party p00pers !
A slashdotting - you get the stick first and then the carrot !
Did you miss the fact that he had to pull some stuff about Google from the blog? What you read isn't everything that was in consideration.
On the one hand every company has those silly rules, that almost all of us are violating right now, to not use company assets for private use while at work or at any other time. Clear enough.
Now companies, and Delta and Northwest are famous for this, are telling their employees that using their own machines in their own homes to discuss, even in passing anything having to do with said company, even to other employees of the same company is not only a fire-able offense but is criminal.
It seems though that companies at most need to apply legal standards of libel and slander in whatever country they are operating. If it doesn't break those laws then it shouldn't be actionable. Of course many of us live in a RIGHT TO WORK state which says a person can be fired for any reason at any time so maybe the whole point is moot.
In either case I recommend that all employees refuse the company softball game, comunity service gathering, Christmas party, blood drive or solicitation from the United Way. You can never be to sure that through some accident not even of your own doing the sacred holy company's image won't be tarnished in some way. Better to leave all that stuff to someone else.
And if someone asks you for a job or personal reference refuse that too. In fact, run all those queries through your corporate HR and/or legal department just to be sure.
You company is not your friend.
"freedom of speech" means the guy won't go to JAIL for it. It doesn't mean his employer can't do anything to him. He could claim flinging poo on cars in the Google parking lot was an act of "speech" according to today's warped interpretation of the first ammendment, but that wouldn't mean that Google couldn't *fire* him for it. His saying something in a blog just won't get him put in *jail*, per the first ammendment.
*say* "you're fired", but when they actually fire someone, that aint speech.
I'm free to say "you're fucked", but if I act on it, that's naughty.
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I guess you meant to say that it is a googol where you subtract one from the exponent, i.e. 10^(100-1) - which nobody else seemed to get.
Mark graduated from University of Michigan. Pretty smart guy as I remember. Can't be more than 22 years old too. Too bad about the firing, but I'm sure he'll find another.
I think I figured out exactly why he got fired.
On January 28th (the day he got fired) Mark Jen apparently ran an Adwords Campaign pointing to his blog.
Besides the obvious problem of him promoting a story about life at Google, regular people cannot run an ad with the word GOOGLE in it.
Keep in mind that he worked in the adsense divison. He may have overrode this requirement. Instant termination. What was he thinking?
If he'd been there for several years, then I would appeal for a bit of leniency - but he was still within his trial period.
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It's all about money guys.
When you're running a private company you can do whatever you want; and you can innovate in so many areas as you wish.
But being 'public' company means that you no longer can lead your company. You MUST obey other's orders.
I'm expecting google to become the same monster as microsoft, or any other multinatinal company out of there. The innovation rate will decrease and in 5 or 10 years we will be looking for some other venture company that can do whatever it wants, and we all will sing songs to this company, until its IPO.
Many companies know what you do on your computer when you're at work, but if you work at a company that catalogs the ENTIRE INTERNET then it should be a safe bet that you can't hide anywhere!
Asshat who happens to have a blog gets job at google. For two weeks. Then they fire him.
I mean, really, if everyone who got fired for being bad at their job and talking crap online made the front page of /. there wouldn't even be enough space for the important stories about "battery life extenders". (BatMax: the worst slashdot 'news' ever?)
"Physics is to math as sex is to masturbation." -R. Feynman
"Sensitive information" in a startup can be something as simple as "there is a chance that some new product will be launched this year", even if that's already considered common knowledge. And it's not sensitive because the company particularly cares, it's sensitive because regulators and others care.
In different words, what he did is something you might do as well accidentally without even thinking about it; the notion of "sensitive information" can be vague and unobvious in many environments.
...is that "Don't be Evil" thing still in their company creed?
Life is hard, and the world is cruel
You do not publicly criticize your current employer by name and expect your current employer to remain your current employer.
Geeze, I thought Google was into hiring smart people.
Second rule, if you are a firm concerned about your public image you do not openly fire people for criticizing you. There are more tactful and less damaging ways to deal with them.
Geeze, I thought Google was into hiring smart people.
Can I sack a CEO for fraud if I own shares? Nope. Can I sack my prime minister for lying? Nope.
So why can an employeer sack you because of what you say?
The other day, I sensed a great disturbance in the Blogosphere.
As if millions of angsty adult children pouted out a whiny gripe and... well...
Then I realized it was just business as usual for that self-important species of basement dwellers.
The word matching 'beholder' that you're looking for in 'beheld' -- 'beholden' means 'indebted to'.
Pedantic? Yes. But 'beheld' is a cool word.
Whence? Hence. Whither? Thither.
i came across these photos from inside a Google data centre on flickr.com turns out that they were inadvertently posted up there and were quickly removed because i'd blogged about it. The pictures weren't that remarkable either - just a photo of racks and racks of servers...
Normally in any company when you first join you have to develop credibility and trust. It is foolish to do something rash during that period if you want to keep your job. After you have proven yourself most companies are more lax with what you can do or cannot do, again within limits. Your capability to work on the fringes increases.
In his case unfortunately he chose to somewhat critisize his employer in a public forum!
Not to mention he was surely under some form of NDA.
And about the complaints within the company about him?
Not many many people likes to shake dirty linen in public, specially about a company which has made millions for them.
I think what google has done is well within its purview and frankly the rest of the world shouldn't be bothered with it.
What was he thinking?!
Looks like its time someone wrote few tips for bloggers. I can start with:
1. If you are working or planning to work for someone be careful what you blog
2. Blogging is like writing to the whole world, a feature which we often tend to forget. It isn't kansas anymore you know.
3. It is common for employers to google someone before hiring and keep a tab afterwords. I remember getting an email from JPM for mentioning just about my work there!
He posted strategic information about Google's direction and general insider information about profits and revenue. That's stuff that can get you in trouble with the SEC.
Heh, you and I both got modded down for being able to subtract correctly...
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Where's Michael?
you don't get unemployment benefit if you quit a job?
also don't forget that now Google is a public company they could be liable to their shareholders if it appeared the guy's comments could affect the stock price and they did not fire him (hows that for a run on sentence?).
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Anyone got a link to the original, unedited blog post(s)? (And how ironic would it be if it were in the google cache?)
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He quoted the stike price that stock options were being given at. That is NOT public information and would likely get you canned from many places.
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Its just weird. There are a handful of people in the entire human race interesting enough to read about.
There is no blogger that fits into this category.
Can we find it in Google? Can we believe what we have found there?
Not in the scientific notion.
Why is this news? If I tell the world secrets about my employer, why should my employer trust me any further? It's like stealing.
Frankly, I think this person has emotional troubles. People who behave like this often do so to take the focus away from their own problems. They find fault with everything else.
When one of the founders made inappropriate public comments (which did attract SEC investigation, but no charges) immediately prior to the Google IPO, was that founder fired?
This guy was fired even before there had been any talk of SEC investigation.
Seems as though Google has a double-standard in place here: "Don't be evil, unless you're Sergei."
My favorite part was this from the comments section on the blog:
Anonymous said...
You're gonna be fired, aren't you ?
When are people gonna recognize that Google will eventually go the way of Microsoft and become a useless behemoth who only gets in the way of progress?
It's time to start thinking (seriously) about a post-Microsoft, post-Google landscape.
That's where the growth and excitement is.
Take the HP example, the heir tried and tried to avoid compaq adquisition and bad mouthed Carly Fiorini, what he got?, that he was "dragging" the company and stuff, a couple years down the road Carly Fionrini recognizes her incompetence (what is good for the sake of the shareholders) and steps down, fianl result: a company set back and some years gone to the trash.
PS who suffered at the end the bunch of employees that got sacked up.
Kind of shoots a hole in your theory when seeing ten pictures gets the point across just as well as 100.
Not that I'm saying you're a paranoid delusional... well, I guess we might as well just say that.
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Broke his MBA? Huh?
Have you ever talked to an MBA for long? I think they come broken from the factory.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
I know Mark very well. We went to high school and college together.
He's an extremely bright, motivated guy who gave up a very well paying job at Microsoft go to work for Google.
He's told me that Google has no formal written policy on blogging. He didn't say anything bad about the company. They simply took issue with the fact he was saying anything at all.
Go read his blog before you criticize him.
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Critics they can handle... someone giving out option prices they can't and shouldn't.
Thank god! I'm trying to drag my company kicking and screaming into the 21st centry (including some compliance issues) and it's just soooo bass ackwards that sometimes I throw my hands up and wonder if I shouldn't just walk away.
The only thing interesting about this to me about it is that when the Google recruiters call me, they babble on about how different Google is. As I suspected, big public companies are all pretty much the same. An employee says something publicly they don't like about them, they get fired. So much for being different. The only difference I see is that that Google suits found out about the blog and fired him quicker than much other big companies.
Why is this only +1?
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Posting anonymously for obvious reasons.
There was another case a few months back of someone being fired from Friendster for... ahem. "Being a blogger." I am familiar with the details of the case, and let me assure you, blogging was the last thing on the employer's mind when they fired this person. I suspect that Google fired this guy for much the same reasons and this guy, like that other person, blamed the blogging.
It's just silly to believe that. Fired for blogging. Fired for using the internet. Fired for blinking wrong. Whatever. When people are fired, there's actually usually a good reason.
He was fired over a comment that Google has shitty health benefits compared to MSFT (btw, massage is NOT covered anymore). Is this right?
I've sent my resume to them a while ago, and they emailed me back. It really seems that Google is a huge mess right now. First of all, they didn't spell my last name right once in four emails. Second of all, I was told that I'll be called by some person, but the phone number they've provided was someone else's phone number. When I politely e-mailed them about the fact they pretended they didn't know what was going on. I have provided _my_ phone number in this same email. No one called. I guess the fellow in HR who contacted me doesn't like to admit his mistakes.
At any rate, I have a pretty interesting job right now anyway, so there's just not enough incentive for me to go to Google. I just wanted to see what it's like, and my first impression is pretty negative. Reading comments from some other applicants, I see that I'm not the only one who wasn't overwhelmed.
When you open your fat mouth and blab internationally on the internets, you risk winding up other employees (you know the ones I'm talking about; they don't think it is 'fair' that you're a better negotiator than them, so they should get the same deal you got, but for no effort), and management, who doesn't want to deal with the crybaby emps when they knock on the door with a variation of "how come Bob got $$$ more than me?! I work twice as hard than him!!" Or no PHB wants to make less than a mere workerbee, the nerve.
Bottom line, keep your powder dry and your pecker hard, and for god's sake shut the hell up.
Yeah, right.
first day on the job, first post on the blog
:)
:p)
in the ever increasing chaos known as the blogosphere, i've decided to add yet another random stream. if nothing else, this blog will serve as a personal journal of my life at google. maybe one day, a collection of these postings and comments will compile into a book...
in the meantime, i'll introduce myself and my new blog. my name is mark jen and i began my life as a googler (or noogler for those of you in the know) today: janurary 17th, 2005. in previous chapters of my life, i'd interned at ibm and worked full time for 18 months at microsoft. so i guess you could say i'm getting first hand experience at three companies who embody the tech company lifecycle - ibm at the tailend of their era; microsoft at the inflection point leading to maturity; and google at the beginning of what would become a new empire.
so what happened today? nothing too exciting. i think new employee orientation is about the same at any company: you show up early, get a security badge, sit through hours of boring presentations and fill out the required paperwork.
cool things about the process at google:
* almost everything is electronic. only four forms need to be printed (two were required by the government; one was the electronic signature authorization form; and of course, the NDA we've all come to know and love)
* my login, badge and workstation were completely ready to go on the first day. you'd think this wouldn't be so hard, but it actually proves to be quite difficult at most companies. to top it all off, my laptop was given to me all setup and in its carrying case with a full complement of goodies
now the bad:
* same old 3 hour HR presentation about nothing important in particular
the rest of my day was spent surfing the corporate intranet. this was quite an experience. you'd think that an intranet would typically be oragnized and very cohesive - after all, it's the internal network for a single company. however, google has managed to recreate the chaos of the internet on its internal network. fortunately, they've applied their search engine to help sort through everything. which begs the question - did the intranet become messy becuase google had a great search engine to find things anyways? or would intranets naturally become a mess if not for the fear of creating a huge tangled mess with no search tool to help users?
closing thought: the ibm t41p is truly a laptop done right. i'm not entirely sure why any company would issue anything less to their employees (*ahem* microsoft
Yeah, good reason to fire him there... Look at all that proprietary information!
"Anybody who tells me I can't use a program because it's not open source, go suck on rms. I'm not interested." (LT 2004)
I read a few of these guys posts and determined 4 things.
1) He has no sense of discretion and a disturbing air of entitlement
2) Having Microsoft on his resume, he really had NO clue how lucky he was to even get a job there (and how careful he should have been in Month 1, not to mention Months 2-12)... easy come, easy go
3) I have just become as useless as most bloggers by burning work time to read his blog
4) That rat bastard wasted his opportunity to pick up hot Seattle geek-compatible chicks with the "Actually, I work at Google" pick-up line. Man, I'd almost kill for that.
Let's get back to work, people. Nothing to see here, move along...
Taken from http://99zeros.blogspot.com/2005/01/first-day-on-j ob-first-post-on-blog.html
"google has managed to recreate the chaos of the internet on its internal network."
So there's pr0n!!!!!
-- When did Ignorance Become a Point of View?
The more you read into this, the more it looks like Google did the right thing in this case.
The guy posted corporate strategy and financial information to his blog. This is something that could cause the company real money if it falls into the wrong hands.
The guy started working there less than a month ago and already he's posting corporate financial data to his blog. The fact that he posted it in a way that was clearly traceable back to him and was willing to post what seems like any new data related to Google probably made the company nervous.
If you look at his job (Google AdSense)...the fact that he devulged this information so freely was also a red flag...he was put in a position where he was destined to know every new product Google was developing and here he was posting it in a public forum.
Maybe he was trying to feed information to M$ through this blog...it's obvious they must have seen it by now...or maybe he was just so stupid as to not realise how much he was hurting the company by posting this information.
I'm a self-employed freelance web-designer and programmer, and about to jump on the blog-firing band-wagon.
My plan is as follows;
1) Critcise myself on blog
2) Fire myself
3) Get masses of media attention. People will come to my website.
4) People will like my website and offer me work.
Woo.
xxxxx is all for free speech. Except for its own employees, of course.
xxxxx is all for free enterprise. Except for its own employees, of course.
Google -- or any company -- can be subsituted in for the xxxxx. Money corrupts. It is as simple as that.
Ask Steve Jobs about this. He was one of the first people to feed this claptrap culture speak to Apple employees and its customers back in the 70's. As a fairly early employee (70's) I can say that most employess believed it, and many customers believe it even now.
Even "think different" Jobs doesn't believe it anymore after Scully fired him in the palace coup at Apple. The humiliation. The destruction of Asgard.
No matter how successful Steve will be in the life remaining to him, he will never, ever forget what Scully did to him.
Google is no different. Larry Page and Sergey Brin may have started Google in high-spirited Palo Alto/Stanford euphoria, but are listening right now to the cracks and groans of amoral capitalism grinding their principles down.
If they don't understand this and deal with it, then the the idiot part of idiot savant will describe them. There is now a dollar sign in front of 10^10 and don't you forget it.
Note that I am not being cynical here, the "amoral" forces are the same as the "invisible hand"s or, in other words, reality imposing truth upon the irrelevant and dodgy theories of entrepreneurs everywhere. It just that to be honest and effective, Sergey and Larry need to admit to this and deal with it rather than pretend everything is like Old School days.
when you take one zero away from a googol.
In an interesting twist on the vilification of Microsoft as the big bad evil corporate empire with the contrasting "Don't Do Evil" Google, and in light of the incredibly stupid Wired story about Microsoft trying to discourage iPod use with their employees last week, it is worth noting today that on Matt Goyer's (a Microsoft employee) blog this morning that he is blogging about the fact that he uses Firefox as his default browser. http://blog.mattgoyer.com/2005/02/08.html#a4032 Even more significant, Matt is asking others (yes Microsoft employees) on how to get around some of the Microsoft Firefox limitations. "For the Softies out there, I use Firefox as my default browser, how do I get it to cache my work credentials so I don't need to login every time I visit an intranet site? Also, when I get home I can no longer post to HTML forms. Is there a way to fix that without going in and changing my proxies every time I switch on and off the MS network?" While Google is publicly taking a lashing by some in the blogosphere over the firing of Mark Jen, Microsoft has been very open in giving Bloggers like Goyer and Microsoft's most famous blogger Robert Scoble a very wide berth. Say what you will about Microsoft, but one thing that Microsoft has really done right is to embrace their blogging employees. This is an enormous amount of freedom. At the same time, Microsoft bloggers are generally very responsible with what they post. Certainly Matt is not criticizing IE merely by choosing to use Firefox as his default browser instead. However, the fact that he can feel comfortable publishing this on his blog speaks volumes about the culture at Microsoft. It's a nice thing to see.
I can't believe what a complete idiot this guy is... he JUST GOT HIRED! He's worked for less than two weeks, drained all his money to move to SF, and got canned first thing. How ya like them apples?
"Of course many of us live in a RIGHT TO WORK state which says a person can be fired for any reason at any time so maybe the whole point is moot."
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Not to be picky, but I believe you are referring to "at-will" employment, a policy most employers adhere to.
http://jobsearchtech.about.com/od/laborlaws/l/aa0
"Right To Work" (which does vary by state) is completely different. Basically, the idea is that in unionized occupations, non-union employees should also be allowed to work without having to join the union.
http://jobsearchtech.about.com/od/laborlaws/a/rig
99 zeros is still zero dude. Not a googol, not a googol minus 1. I guess you could say it's a googol times zero...
Do not bite the hands that feeds you.
If you really want to gripe about your company do not make it public until you quit or get fired.
I am sure there are proper channels within the company.
Griping about the company on a companies service is not generally a good idea.
All employers reserve the right to fire "for cause". Cause is generally defined as any plausible explanation they can generate - up to and including "you're not a good fit for us" (never heard it myself). They can ship your job overseas without warning or negotiation and shove you out the door with the rest of the sheep under the watchful eye of armed security, because "hey, you might walk out with one of their paperclips.
Employers want loyalty? Fealty even? Here's a concept - when they begin to respect their employees; they'll get it. Until then, they won't have my loyalty. I'm self-employed now for precisely this reason: the employers cannot be trusted to respect their employees.
The offending message was:
"they started off the day with a financials presentation, which was actually quite interesting. of course, i understand that they obviously will put a positive spin on everything, but the weight of the raw numbers is undeniable. both google's profits and revenue are growing at an unprecedented rate even while they are increasing their expenditures on capital and human resources. not to mention that google has been primarily focused on the u.s. market and is now turning their full attention to the global marketplace.
so after the interesting financials, the products team gave presentations reviewing product performance in 2004 and giving sneak peeks of the products we'll unveil in 2005. if you guys thought g**il and google groups were cool, you ain't seen nothing yet!"
Which was replaced with:
"they started off the day with a financials presentation, then the products team gave presentations reviewing product performance in 2004."
Linkage
Ronald said nothing. He flung himself from the room, flung himself upon his horse, and rode madly off in all directions.
threatened once they found out he didn't come from their school!!!!!!
Yep, Ninty-nine zeros is a googol [of zeros] with one [zero] knocked off. Sort of like this story.
I read the parts of the blog that are still there. I'm not surprised he was fired. I'm not sure why he was upset that Google was helping him out by providing benefits, even though providing the benefits was also to Google's advantage. Er, it was to BOTH his AND Google's advantage. Complain about so-called problems like that, and your judgement should be called into question.
He knows better now.
http://news.google.com/news?q=google+fires+blog
Just because it CAN be done, doesn't mean it should!
Is this somehow different from the actual post on his blog?
Jeremy Zawodny of Yahoo! met with Mark Jen last night and is confirming that he was fired. http://jeremy.zawodny.com/blog/archives/004157.htm l
If we extrapolate, soon Target will have a shopper non-disclosure agreement on the front door so that you can't go price-shopping at Wal-Mart.
How does an employee/employer relationship in regards to the terms of employment have ANYTHING to do with consumers having the right to get the best price at Target?
Call me crazy, but it's been quite a while since Google acquired Blogger
that's how I see it anyway . . .
He hacked the company's motto: "Don't Be Evil".
:)
Respect.
he is a dumbass
You can't handle the truth.
This happened to me too, but only for a job interview at Google. That's as far as I made it: I never worked for them or signed any NDA.
:) The free food at Google is tempting, though....
My resume was submitted, and I made it as far as the first phone screen. It was one of the best interviews I have ever had in my life! Everything went 100% great, better than I had ever hoped for. I felt we had really clicked. Then, it turns out that I lost the interview, because the interviewer read my blog.
He didn't like me talking about my job search or my experiences with Google's hiring process. He especially didn't like the way I described the interview, perhaps because it would have given future interviewees tips on what to expect. He valued his ability to "surprise" people with trick logic questions, and my description of the involved thought processes might have tipped his hand. (I've since edited my blog to remove the spoilers, as per his implied request.)
Google and Microsoft share similar cultures, evidently. Both select for candidates who are good at discovering the "a-ha" moment that enables them to see through a tricky logic puzzle and solve it. I'm not good at logic puzzles or riddles in general, but in this case, I was able to relate the puzzle to a real-life problem I faced (when writing a simulator for a particular mechanism of a pinball machine).
Lesson learned. The culture at Google is one of paranoid security, as others have confirmed with me. When interviewing (or working) there, don't reveal anything about the process. Merely mentioning the fact that you are interviewing/working might raise eyebrows. When in doubt, don't.
The good news is that the interviewer liked me, and encouraged me to re-apply. Since I seemed to learn my lesson well, he told me he wouldn't put me on the blacklist, so I've another chance. I believe the cut-off period for previous failed applicants is a year and a day.
During the time, I found a job I'm happy with now, and I'll definitely stick with it. I won't be jumping ship, in case you're reading this posting there and wondering
Dr. Demento On The 'Net!
i'd hire someone who got fired from google over someone who got promoted at sco any day.
http://www.dooce.com/about.html
Ok, this is mild, but imagine what HR thinks when it sees this published on the internet? (I know: screw them, but still, it's not a good idea to piss off the people who sign your paychecks).
What if this is not standard procedure? Someone mentioned in a related thread that maybe they gave him a signing bonus, but not to a lot of other people? How will it make them feel? This is why companies ask you not to disclose your salary (which no one actually abides by, but internet publishing is different from corridor talk)
Ok, this one's a biggie. This is not so easy to get info, and it starts getting specific.
This kind of analysis, made by an employee, publically voiced, is exactly the kind of thing the obsessive compulsive google fans are looking for. And it could, conceivably, fall in the SEC-restricted category (affecting the public's perception of the company, possibly prematurely revealing internal changes in policy, etc.).
It's not that any particular bit of info on the blog was confidential. It's that a lot of what he was taking about falls in a very gray area that might not only piss off the managers, but could get Google in trouble with the SEC. Can you blame them for being careful? (although I do think a warning would have been in order, before taking action).
Overcaffeinated. Angry geeks.
So not only did he reveal sensitive financial information on his blog earlier, he used his position in the AdSense division to circumvent the requirements for a properly formatted AdSense ad.
He then bitches and moans that he got fired because of something he wrote on his blog.
He is a disingenuous employee who used an inside connection to make money outside of the company. His paycheck wasn't big enough at google, so he just had to make ad revenue. Now he's not making any money at Google.
What a moron.
I am defenseless. Use your button. Mod me down with all of your hatred.
Free speech doesn't apply to business, private school (even some public school situations), etc. If some company is funding you, they have a say in what you put out there.
What you say on your own time can get you fired. You can sue if it's obviously unjust or doesn't violate any NDA you signed, however if someone above you doesn't like you, and furthermore if you have stuff in a blog, in writing, that's all they need to show to let you go.
Companies are suppose to ask for your resignation, unless you've fucked up really big, however even that has started to become a thing of the past.
In some cases it's very understandable. The companies internal policies may give it an edge in a competitive market. Letting the public know even small details about a product or the way they are going to advertised could violate an NDA. If it's not in an official press release or on a big advertising poster, you probably shouldn't talk about it, even if it's considered general knowledge in your field.
An example is when I worked for a web design company. Any resources we used, on-line tutorial
Then I read his blog. Firstly, is it a style that he cannot capitalise his I's or first letters of a sentence?
I'd call him a fucker just for that. Secondly:
to be honest, when i first got here, i was kind of disappointed that i was put on adsense. i wanted to work on consumer products, where i could focus on coming up with new offerings that would revolutionize the way people use computers and the internet.
Whine whine fucking whine! Seriously, this guy is a loser, probably google execs realised they couldn't face such a loser working for the, it gets worse:
before i left microsoft,
aaaah piss off back to M$, and stop infecting google!!!! go back to msn search why don't you! (you notice how msn search has a topical backdrop to thier search, nothing like googles leet cartoon logos, which dilbert starred in for a WHOLE WEEK!)
Net result: probably blogging is going to be found out to be the dumbest shit of self interest and vanity as I have long thought. Blogs, like, the odd few, are ok, everyone can keep a blog, but it is the wierd incessant self promotion... it is sick.
Outcome: this guy was fired for being a twat, if you are the judge hearing his case when he no doubt tries to cash in, please just shout "hes got a gun!" and let him be mowed down.
As least the world will have a few more lowercase letters to go around.
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As another posted commented is one big circle jerk. They interview candidates over and over again looking for some inane qualities because they feel this is how they get the best. Instead their process, by unintended selection, only pulls in people extremely generic "me-too'ers". Combine that with their rather lousy pay for the area and you can easily forsee the future for google as a generator for new tech and ideas.
Clever puzzles and suprise interview techniques are a sign of a weak interviewer, not a strong one. They tell very little about your ability to really think on your feet or solve complex issues.
--- I do not moderate.
Just another member of the whiner society.
You score a sweet job at a hot company, and proceed to complain about it in public.
I hope he got a curb-job with that pink slip, too.
excellent point.
When I was a kid, we only had one Darth.
A loaf of bread costs about Rs 10 or 25cents (US currency). So cost of living is atleast 4-5 times that in India.
That's why the $20-$30k figure holds.
The folks at Delta fired their flight attendant after she placed a picture of herself in uniform on her blog...
(drool? hehe)
my blog
$smackdown = laid;
-dk
Dream with the feathers of angels stuffed beneath your head.
Don't like it? Leave. You can complain all you like after you're gone.
Oh! I didn't realize you worked for EA.
If other reasons we do lack, we swear no one will die when we attack
If he abused his authority, he should be fired.
If you think that you can get away with talking about people (or even worse, businesses), good or bad, you're plainly idiotic. Open up a blog and talk about everything your spouse does, and then make her read it. Chances are at some point she'll get pissed, it's a major argument to anyone who maintains a website of a personal nature. Keep it separate or anonymous, or both. My two cents.
Trolls dont like to be Flamebait, because they burn so well. Protect our Troll heritage!
Google just posted some new guidelines internally. I've received permission to post them:
OK: My team played volleyball at lunch today, we beat some people from another group.
BAD: My team is way ahead of the weather-machine and germ-warfare divisions.
OK: Pets are welcome on the Google Campus.
BAD: People at Google like to sit in their chairs and pet their cats while plotting.
OK: Google has several offices in Europe.
BAD: We look forward to renaming Europe 'Euro-Google-Land'
OK: We are constantly looking for the best engineers to work on exciting projects.
BAD: We're building a robot army at our secret desert office and need more engineers.
OK: There are some great recreation facilities on campus.
BAD: Employees who underperform are sent to the dungeon.
WORSE: Underperforming employees are sometimes sent
back to Microsoft.
OK: Google is always looking to make its services available outside of North America.
BAD: Within 4 turns, we will control all of Asia.
OK: Over 3,000 highly qualified employees work at Google.
BAD: Google hires only the best evil geniuses.
OK: The company motto is 'Don't be Evil'
BAD: The secret company motto is 'One Webservice to Rule Them All'
OK: Googlers are exercising their mechanical-engineering skills.
BAD: Googlers are creating an evil robot.
WORSE: An evil robot is creating Googlers.
OK: We don't comment on how many computers Google operates.
BAD: Google only has a single super-computer, we call it SkyNet; it calls the shots here.
(sig) The last bug isn't fixed until the last user is dead. (/sig)
Come on dude, spill us some beans. We want details on this so-called checkered past. You're anonymous anyway!
"The legal system, to paraphrase old Honest Abe, is of the rich, by the rich, and for the rich."
So you've never gotten out of a speeding ticket?
"I can't believe there are human beings still plying this argument. What's even more surprising is that the courts happily follow along with it wherever employment is concerned."
"At will" means exactly what it says. What would you have?
"The contract sucked. All contracts suck."
No one's forcing you to be a member of a society.
"You company is not your friend."
Here's an exercise for slashdotters to try.
Substitute a picture of yourself in place of "you company" Is the statement still true?*
If so, then why are we having this discussion?
*One could say that unions are an explicit recognization that companies aren't your friend.
-Don't shit where you eat
-Don't dip your pen in company ink
Last few times I've witnessed someone getting fired that quickly, they did something very very very wrong or extremely stupid.
A few examples:
1. Getting caught rifling through a coworkers desk without their permission.
2. Showing up late 5 times in 5 days and were given 2 verbal warnings and 1 written (while being on probation to boot).
3. Failing a drug test.
4. Lying on your resume, claiming a degree you did not have or employement record you did not have.
5. Sexually harassing the unit secretary.
6. Getting arrested and not showing up for work for several days because no one would bail your worthless ass out of jail nor call on your behalf.
#7 should be blogging about your new companies internal policies and procedures, especially mentioning a 'signing bonus' and 'relocation compensation' benefits. Now every nimrod applying to Google will expect these 'optional' and 'discretionary' benefits.
#8 doing something else completely against company policy which you would have known if you weren't napping in the 'boring 3 hour orientation'.
What I want to know is why only 18 months at Microsoft? Hmmm... Get fired from there too? What about that IBM internship? How come he didn't get a job at big blue?
I would guess at #4, they probably turned up something in a background check. These things take time to research. Google wants the best of the best employee's they probably spare no expense in researching the backgrounds of all new hires. Research of this sort takes time, the fact that it may have happened in only a few weeks, is a credit to the company.
Feel free to pepper the following with "IMO" where appropriate... here we go.
I would describe evil as "causing harm for personal gain without consent". Yes, that's a slippery definition.
Basically, if some terrorist commits murder/suicide in hopes of a good afterlife, then I would classify the terrorist as evil. If the terrorist did it strictly because of beliefs, I wouldn't call it evil, but personally, I would call it ignorant, and definetly against the views of Libertarianism as they explained here (not that all Libertarians would necessarily agree with this piece).
By the way here's evil on Wikipedia.
"When the atomic bomb goes off there's devastation...but when the atomic bong goes off there's celebraaaaation!"
Come on. I mean, sure it's a troll, but that picture is fucking hilarious!
Sleep is futile.
They could pretend that they are promoting him and leave him isolated in space for eternity.
They could do a Google Search for [insert name of bad actor/singer here] and force him to watch every page it links to.
Or, worse yet, with their cutting-edge technology they could somehow dynamically block any computer that he is using from accessing Google, forcing him to use MSN Search for the rest of his life!
Cue evil laugh track.
"When the atomic bomb goes off there's devastation...but when the atomic bong goes off there's celebraaaaation!"
From the blog:
:/
well, that just about covers my first week at google. now i'll have to spend the weekend looking for a new bed and other matching bedroom furniture. oh boy, lucky me
I KNOW, I totally hate buying things. I so envy those people who can't afford to buy anything, let alone furniture from Ikea. And OMG, trying to pick out a color for my new Porsche!?!? I couldn't decide!! I just had to buy one of each.
--
I know everybody complains about unimportant things, like the steak that wasn't medium rare while other people would kill for some food, but really.. Complaints that are thinly veiled attempts to brag make you seem like a wuss. Either be proud of your place, or be ashamed and keep quiet, but don't be passively apologetic by making your situation out to be crap. Although personally, if I got canned in 3 weeks, I'd be keeping awfully quiet.
https://www.eff.org/https-everywhere
The mods just want to show us that they can subtract, too.
(Punished for being right. Ya know, this is one of the kinds of pressure that Smart People Choke Under.)
"Free speech is an inalienable human right, not a matter of law. The American Constitution builds that right, and others, into our political life -- because that is social sphere that the Constitution regulates. Americans have the freedom to associate with organizations in the religious and commercial sphere that don't respect that right -- but that doesn't eliminate our intrinsic right to free speech in those spheres!"
They excluded the black race from that whole "inalienable human right"'s thing. So pardon me if the constitution sounds a bit hollow. Pretty words are just that "pretty words". Anyway while talking may be "inalienable"? It's matching part, the "inalienable right not to listen" is also present.
Sorry Fanboys, Google is a public corporation now. Gone are the days of just doing things because "they're cool" or "useful". Now it's about the bottom line. The almighty dollar. *sigh* And don't think they'll be any different than the others. SCO used to be a cool company too. Move on. This is only the beginning of the repression of internal opinion, the hostile takeovers, the illegitimate patents. All part of business. The shareholders have to make money.
Cool! Amazing Toys.
It was seven pictures and none of them were of the event.
No reason to use a damn "overrated"... You're like Bush supporters. You overreact and drown out criticism because you know deep down you're backing a lame horse...
That event is of course explained by the frequecy of caching as as long been discussed before.
The complaint I was targeting was the more modern one that the Google search returns fewer results. I don't know the answer, but I do know that valid pictures show up now. Thus no filtering as per my argument before.
"There is more worth loving than we have strength to love." - Brian Jay Stanley
99 zeros blog
You see the look on my face, and yet you keep talking.
If the people at Google chose to stop interviewing you because they read your blog then they almost certainly BROKE THE LAW. The interviewer should have known not to look at your blog because it would likely contain personal information such as race/religion/sexual orientation, etc. They are NOT ALLOWED to ask you this kind of thing. Going looking for it is effectively the same thing.
This is interviewing 101, if you put stuff like this on your resume it is HR's job to remove it before passing the resume on to the hiring manager.
Perhaps Google needs to spend some of that 20% on employee interview training.
http://99zeros.blogspot.com/
New post today on Mark's blog indicates: "on january 28th, 2005, i was terminated from google. either directly or indirectly, my blog was the reason."
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Actually its because of the character limit in the sig. The apostophe has to go to make room for more important characters. Now why dont you go make fun of my bad speling grammer insteed. :P
All misspellings and grammatical errors in the above post are intentional and part of my artistic expression.
CNN/Money has a story out expanding on the topic of how companies are starting to pay closer attention to employee blogs. "For companies, the growing popularity of blogs is a double-edged sword. On the one hand, corporate managers recognize the power of word-of-mouth as a sales tool. On the other hand, they're acutely aware of the dangers inherent in the rapid and widespread dissemination of company information."