Why are we hearing about this from the CIA, of all places? I thought counter-intelligence was the purview of the FBI, and signals intelligence the role of the NSA.
It's not counter-intel because it occurred in regions outside the USA, and it's not SIGINT because it doesn't involve the interception of signals. Analysis of possible information warfare threats to the US is well within the CIA's mission.
That is one of the more impressively arrogant things I've read. "If you're not a mindless sheep incapable of critical thought, CLEARLY you will agree with my point of view!"
And, oddly, if I made that same claim from my (Catholic) side of the isle, I'd be downmodded "Overrated" and "Flamebait" before I could get back to the main thread.
I like how this is tagged "sternbutfair", and yet if the same thing happened in the US it'd be tagged "bigbrother" "fascism" and "policestate" instantaneously.
Found this on the WoW forums, thought it was good enough to pass along.
Hole #1: The 'community driven tools used to police Warden' mentioned in the article are not designed to 'police' Warden. They are designed to map out every action Warden performs on your system for the purposes of bypassing Warden. I'd post the reference links here, but that's a suspendable offense. You can fairly easily navigate through the original post for links to the software developer's site(s).
Hole #2: The 'privacy' issue is being raised due to the capacity for misuse present in the Warden software. The reality is that someone would have to rebuild Warden with a new algorithm specifically designed to snoop private data. Note that the original author makes no comment on how a developer would go about doing this, only that it could be done.
Hole #3: You have already given Blizzard enough information to steal your identity, ruin your credit, disrupt your financial stability, etc. What other possible information could they need to gather from your machine to ruin you?
Hole #4: The final blow to this argument... The only reason this issue is so 'big' in the 'community' is because the software developers have not (yet) found a way to bypass the new security measures. Warden has been through dozens of upgrades since it was released, but the 'community' didn't make a peep because the changes were visible to them, they could continue bypassing the security measures. These people don't care about Warden being on your machine, or what Warden can do with your information. They care about the fact that they can't bypass Warden anymore, and that's why the posts are going up all over the place.
Do yourself a favor, read up on Logical Fallacies, here's a good link to get you started. http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/. #36 describes a 'Red Herring' argument, uniquely applicable in this situation. To be specific, there is no security implication as Blizzard is going to be performing the same scans that they have been for the last two years. If you have trusted them this long there is no reason to not trust them now. The true issue is the transparency of the Warden product, which has the bot-makers all butthurt.
It's been illegal to make jokes about bombs, let alone wear strange-looking electronical contraptions, for as long as I can remember, and certainly since before 9/11.
You're substituting "far inferior" for "has gameplay I don't like".
I, personally, *like* not having to worry about losing something I spent hours in Karazhan to get, because I got ganked by a another player while I was at 25% health.
I, personally, would rather have Blizzard spending time on interesting content than on giving me a house to play interior decorator in.
Don't you think it's rather telling that all these "inferior" MMORPGs are more popular than UO? Maybe they aren't so "bad" after all.
Don't let me get in the way of everyone's dogmatic Gates-hate, but Linus Torvalds operates in a similar way.
"I'm always right. This time I'm just even more right than usual." Torvalds, Linus (2005-07-14). Message to linux-kernel mailing list. Retrieved on 2006-08-28.
"If you still don't like it, that's ok: that's why I'm boss. I simply know better than you do." Torvalds, Linus (1996-07-22). Post to comp.os.linux.advocacy newsgroup. Retrieved on 2006-08-28.
They have to be consistent about their HR practices. If they don't fire her for falsifying her qualifications, they don't have any grounds to do likewise in any other case.
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Yeah, well, that's what the GDI thought too. :|
Why are we hearing about this from the CIA, of all places? I thought counter-intelligence was the purview of the FBI, and signals intelligence the role of the NSA.
It's not counter-intel because it occurred in regions outside the USA, and it's not SIGINT because it doesn't involve the interception of signals. Analysis of possible information warfare threats to the US is well within the CIA's mission.
That is one of the more impressively arrogant things I've read. "If you're not a mindless sheep incapable of critical thought, CLEARLY you will agree with my point of view!"
And, oddly, if I made that same claim from my (Catholic) side of the isle, I'd be downmodded "Overrated" and "Flamebait" before I could get back to the main thread.
Ah well, that's Slashdot these days.
The same way we take everything else, with a high degree of scorn.
I like how this is tagged "sternbutfair", and yet if the same thing happened in the US it'd be tagged "bigbrother" "fascism" and "policestate" instantaneously.
What's the opposite of tin-foil hat?
Sane?
Found this on the WoW forums, thought it was good enough to pass along.
Hole #1: The 'community driven tools used to police Warden' mentioned in the article are not designed to 'police' Warden. They are designed to map out every action Warden performs on your system for the purposes of bypassing Warden. I'd post the reference links here, but that's a suspendable offense. You can fairly easily navigate through the original post for links to the software developer's site(s).
Hole #2: The 'privacy' issue is being raised due to the capacity for misuse present in the Warden software. The reality is that someone would have to rebuild Warden with a new algorithm specifically designed to snoop private data. Note that the original author makes no comment on how a developer would go about doing this, only that it could be done.
Hole #3: You have already given Blizzard enough information to steal your identity, ruin your credit, disrupt your financial stability, etc. What other possible information could they need to gather from your machine to ruin you?
Hole #4: The final blow to this argument... The only reason this issue is so 'big' in the 'community' is because the software developers have not (yet) found a way to bypass the new security measures. Warden has been through dozens of upgrades since it was released, but the 'community' didn't make a peep because the changes were visible to them, they could continue bypassing the security measures. These people don't care about Warden being on your machine, or what Warden can do with your information. They care about the fact that they can't bypass Warden anymore, and that's why the posts are going up all over the place.
Do yourself a favor, read up on Logical Fallacies, here's a good link to get you started. http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/. #36 describes a 'Red Herring' argument, uniquely applicable in this situation. To be specific, there is no security implication as Blizzard is going to be performing the same scans that they have been for the last two years. If you have trusted them this long there is no reason to not trust them now. The true issue is the transparency of the Warden product, which has the bot-makers all butthurt.
- Curacao, Ravenholdt realm
They already install patches on my machine every month or so. If they want to compromise my machine, they don't need Warden to do it.
Nonsense. Everyone knows that there's no homosexuality in Muslim countries (in Iran, at least).
I don't want to know... I don't want to know...
It's been illegal to make jokes about bombs, let alone wear strange-looking electronical contraptions, for as long as I can remember, and certainly since before 9/11.
Don't forget the Civil Air Patrol's ARCHER system.
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Dammit D-C, you stole my joke! :P
"It's Jhannet's 19th birthday, so her boyfriend borrows a camcorder to memorialize the occasion..."
I thought this was going to be an article about a different type of movie. >.>
You're substituting "far inferior" for "has gameplay I don't like".
I, personally, *like* not having to worry about losing something I spent hours in Karazhan to get, because I got ganked by a another player while I was at 25% health.
I, personally, would rather have Blizzard spending time on interesting content than on giving me a house to play interior decorator in.
Don't you think it's rather telling that all these "inferior" MMORPGs are more popular than UO? Maybe they aren't so "bad" after all.
Plausible it may be, but until there's better proof than this article...
Halliburton?
He's really grasping, isn't he.
Is that really his name?
"Your parents not like you or something?"
Don't let me get in the way of everyone's dogmatic Gates-hate, but Linus Torvalds operates in a similar way.
"I'm always right. This time I'm just even more right than usual." Torvalds, Linus (2005-07-14). Message to linux-kernel mailing list. Retrieved on 2006-08-28.
"If you still don't like it, that's ok: that's why I'm boss. I simply know better than you do." Torvalds, Linus (1996-07-22). Post to comp.os.linux.advocacy newsgroup. Retrieved on 2006-08-28.
That's all, return to your ranting.
They have to be consistent about their HR practices. If they don't fire her for falsifying her qualifications, they don't have any grounds to do likewise in any other case.
We did more than half of those things during WW2.
(We won WW2, by the way.)
Save your logical explanations... Slashdot wants a conspiracy, so they're going to see a conspiracy.
... at the mention of the term "blogosphere".
... "The Ultimate Resource", by Julian Simon. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ultimate_Resource _(book)
That book is the reason why I refuse to believe the current doomsaying is any more reliable than that of the past.
It's comments like this that I find really anti-productive
On Slashdot, such anti-productive comments earn you major karma.