I've personally been using NetBSD since the 1.6 days. I've occasionally tried out a Linux (indeed, run a Debian server, and handle Linux in various capacities for work), and FreeBSD (installed during 5.x days... admittedly not a bright spot in their history)... but always come back to Net. For me, it's the right amount of "grumpy" attitude about "correctness", but still useable... it's got an excellent array of third party apps, in an excellent package management system, and performs well. What's not to like? There are some things that need to be hammered out, or attacked outright (accelerated gfx, anyone?), but I still don't trade it for anything else.
For my part, I submit bug reports for issues, and occasionally hack on infrastructure and documentation, as well as advocate and assist in #netbsd (irc.freenode.net). I need to improve on the "hacking" aspect, insofar as finishing my jobs and getting work out there, but it's a start. And it's not that difficult. I encourage anybody who uses it to do the same, and those that don't currently use it, give it a try. It's solid, capable, and speedy. It's not perfect, but with people contributing, it'll get even better. I won't be able to personally get a journalling filesystem in it (for example), but with support and the right pressure, we'll hopefully get what we need.
I believe it was the King addressing Alice who said to her (regarding her retelling of events): Start at the beginning, continue to the end, then stop. This applies to our participation with NetBSD, or any FOSS project. In the case of NetBSD (or Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD), nobody will be thinking of the "end", and hopes that their favourite OS will just continue... the key is "start at the beginning", and the key part of that is start.
I'm seeing so many of these, assuming everybody is using X... if you're not, and you're using NetBSD (or OpenBSD?), you can set the console to read Capslock as Control (or Esc) via:
wsconsctl -w map+="keysym Caps_Lock = Control_L" (to map capslock to control), or wsconsctl -w map+="keysym Caps_Lock = Escape" (to map to escape, as parent did)
This will take effect immediately, but not survive a reboot... if you like it and want to enable it all the time, you can add a line to/etc/wscons.conf like this: mapfile/usr/share/wscons/keymaps/pckbd.c2c
which turns Capslock into a Control key... or you can make your own mappings...
Full list of keysyms (on NetBSD) at/usr/include/dev/wscons/wsksymdef.h
-yb
btw: NetBSD 4 is now in Beta... check The NetBSD site for an announcement coming soon...
grand parent either hasn't had multiple terminals open to a half dozen (or more) remote clients, or is completely fine with typing a secure passphrase every single time (s)he wants a terminal... if any host is rooted, nothing's guaranteed after that... perhaps a binary has been been swapped out, or if you're running X11 forwarding, you're putting your own X server at risk, but I don't see what that's got to do with ssh... just don't put more faith in it than it deserves... running ssh isn't a cure for pop-ups, viruses, trojans, or erectile disfunction...
/me thinks this article is saying "the tunnel may be encrypted, but mind the ends"...
which isn't news to anybody who's in the know about security or ssh... ssh isn't going to butter your bread, or do anything outside of securing end-to-end transmissions... I can't see anything new being introduced here...
Seriously - 1GB ram (512MB for low end installs) seems like an awful lot to me....
Join the 21st Century... take a look at their features page and you'll understand what this is for: Windows Vista is designed to help make you more productive as you work with your PC throughout the day with new features like Sleep
Turns out the darker the roast, the longer the beans have to be roasted to become that dark. And the longer the beans are roasted, the more caffeine is destroyed
Not to mention that diff't coffee has diff't amounts of caffeine -- regional varieties are not all the same (which is why colombian coffee is diff't than mexican coffee, for example), and there are two main families of coffee -- arabica (which people are trained to think is 'the best' coffee), and robusta --- robusta is generally considered not as good tasting, but *does* generally have more caffeine than arabica beans, and also (in espresso-method preparation) gives good crema... in Italy traditional blends (for espresso) include robusta beans (/me thinks he remembers reading up to 40%)... some American advocates of robusta beans in a blend say between 10-20% of the beans can be robusta and yield a good espresso blend.
A teen, in spiky blue hair with a bolt through his nose and tons of other piercings in beatup old all black clothes who demands you ignore their appearance and treat them just like everyone else.
If appereance doesn't matter (his point, thus I should treat him just like the guy wearing the suit), then what is the point of dressing that way?
Maybe the statement is that you do in fact treat them differently?
Let's say you want to buy a BMW. So you go to the dealership. Now who are you more likely to trust as a knowledgeable salesperson? A woman in a nice suit, or a women in a old jogging uniform?
Who would I trust? It depends what comes out of their mouths. If one seems like a greedy shuckster, and one know's what she's talking about, who cares what label is on their pants?
"Come to Fritz's autos for a great deal on used Volkswagens". The cracked message told all other users only to visit trusted garages and not accept any offers of performance upgrades because such offers were the work of 'trojan enemy conspirators that operated like an unwanted virus in the body of our glorious Fatherland'.
That message still holds true today. Many people know that VW owners are a close-knit group of people (waving to each other on the road, helping each other when necessary).
I happened to be driving along in my beetle one day, when I noticed another VW beetle pulled over on the side of the road, and the driver looking distressed. I asked her what the problem was. She said she'd just had some work done on her car, but now it wasn't running properly.
We popped the front hood, but the whole compartment was empty! It was obvious what had happened: some unauthorized mechanic had taken her whole engine out and forgot to put it back. Luckily, I had a spare engine in the back of my car.
Let this be a warning to anybody else taking their VW to non-authorized service centers.
The interview was only mildly interesting, technically speaking, but I'd like to say that the "fit and finish" of the NetBSD operating system is the highest quality I've experienced. Things really seem to work well together, and it's quite a joy to use. It's obvious the whole OS is developed as an OS (versus a kernel w/ a bunch of other projects' programs), and that developers/decision makers think critically about their decisions... I liken it to (what I imagine) driving a BMW, versus a crappy economy car. Now if it only supported DRI for accelerated X --- perhaps that'll move forward w/ X Org gaining acceptance and momentum...
The only thing NetBSD lacks once 2.0 is released is an ALSA compatability layer.
That, and DRI in X. I've been using NetBSD for a year or so, and I love it. Everything feels well built. My biggest wish for it though is DRI. I'm currently running FreeBSD (which _does_ have DRI for X), but I'd be switching back the moment I heard Net had it.
As someone said before, I don't think usability can be thought in terms of "what grandma can use". I don't think such a thing is possible or even desirable (except for the companies wich only want to sell sell sell). You can make a friendly UI, easy to learn, but at some point you *have* to learn about some basic computer related concepts to understand what you're doing and what you can and cannot do with your PC.
Agreed. I'm reading Abbey's "Desert Solitaire" right now, and at one point he basically says that national parks shouldn't be made accessible to everybody... it requires much too much development, and that involves changing/destroying what people ought to be there for in the first place. He says old people had their chance, and the young kids will get theirs, so _don't_ make it completely accessible to the lowest common denominator. At a point you have to say "tough luck".
Perhaps this is what's necessary for GUI design as well. Should we shoot for the lowest common denominator, or choose a target audience that's more sophisticated? I know where I stand.
Q: Two cats were having a contest to see who's the best. The first was named OneTwoThree, and the other UnDeuxTrois. The contest, swim across a lake. Who won?
Holy Cow! You guys are milking this for all it's worth! Seriously, though, despite this being a setback for MS, I'm bullish. It had better pan out for them... look what they have at steak!
Consistant use of best practices everywhere would prevent this, but that just doesn't happen. I don't actually use Sendmail (prefer exim), but I do use OpenSSH, and either way, these are both major applications... when is GCC going to be trojaned? And then will it be a week of compiling other apps and kernels and modules before it's discovered? I hope not.
That said, I'm not running anything but Linux/BSD and OpenSource software... wouldn't have it any other way.
Slashdot Mirror
And Tcl (discussion)...
-yb
Method Logic Digital
Considering what's going on between NetApp and Sun currently, I wonder what they'll think of this?
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There is the theory of the mobius; A twist in the fabric of space, where time becomes a loop...
time becomes a loop...
time becomes a loop...
Well as an Australian, I often ask the "Why not just shoot them?".
We end up with a bloody Koala problem...
No kidding?
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marco...
? Cand=T&TRID=428 that's a .wav, or something useable? I'd be curious to hear it.
marco...
marco...
In all seriousness, does anybody have a link to the podcast referenced http://www.technologyreview.com/TR35/Profile.aspx
BTW, digital musicians might recognize Paris' name from CSound (http://www.csounds.com/).
-yb
I've personally been using NetBSD since the 1.6 days. I've occasionally tried out a Linux (indeed, run a Debian server, and handle Linux in various capacities for work), and FreeBSD (installed during 5.x days... admittedly not a bright spot in their history)... but always come back to Net. For me, it's the right amount of "grumpy" attitude about "correctness", but still useable... it's got an excellent array of third party apps, in an excellent package management system, and performs well. What's not to like? There are some things that need to be hammered out, or attacked outright (accelerated gfx, anyone?), but I still don't trade it for anything else.
For my part, I submit bug reports for issues, and occasionally hack on infrastructure and documentation, as well as advocate and assist in #netbsd (irc.freenode.net). I need to improve on the "hacking" aspect, insofar as finishing my jobs and getting work out there, but it's a start. And it's not that difficult. I encourage anybody who uses it to do the same, and those that don't currently use it, give it a try. It's solid, capable, and speedy. It's not perfect, but with people contributing, it'll get even better. I won't be able to personally get a journalling filesystem in it (for example), but with support and the right pressure, we'll hopefully get what we need.
I believe it was the King addressing Alice who said to her (regarding her retelling of events): Start at the beginning, continue to the end, then stop.
This applies to our participation with NetBSD, or any FOSS project. In the case of NetBSD (or Linux, FreeBSD, OpenBSD), nobody will be thinking of the "end", and hopes that their favourite OS will just continue... the key is "start at the beginning", and the key part of that is start.
-yb
Interesting... when I first looked at the comments there were a few for vi and none for Emacs. Now there are many more Emacs votes.
...or which editor has people busy getting work done, and not posting to slashdot :P
So I guess we've finally found out which editor is faster.
-yb
I'm seeing so many of these, assuming everybody is using X... if you're not, and you're using NetBSD (or OpenBSD?), you can set the console to read Capslock as Control (or Esc) via:
/etc/wscons.conf like this: /usr/share/wscons/keymaps/pckbd.c2c
/usr/include/dev/wscons/wsksymdef.h
wsconsctl -w map+="keysym Caps_Lock = Control_L" (to map capslock to control), or
wsconsctl -w map+="keysym Caps_Lock = Escape" (to map to escape, as parent did)
This will take effect immediately, but not survive a reboot... if you like it and want to enable it all the time, you can add a line to
mapfile
which turns Capslock into a Control key... or you can make your own mappings...
Full list of keysyms (on NetBSD) at
-yb
btw: NetBSD 4 is now in Beta... check The NetBSD site for an announcement coming soon...
mod parent up...
grand parent either hasn't had multiple terminals open to a half dozen (or more) remote clients, or is completely fine with typing a secure passphrase every single time (s)he wants a terminal... if any host is rooted, nothing's guaranteed after that... perhaps a binary has been been swapped out, or if you're running X11 forwarding, you're putting your own X server at risk, but I don't see what that's got to do with ssh... just don't put more faith in it than it deserves... running ssh isn't a cure for pop-ups, viruses, trojans, or erectile disfunction...
-yb
/me thinks this article is saying "the tunnel may be encrypted, but mind the ends"...
which isn't news to anybody who's in the know about security or ssh... ssh isn't going to butter your bread, or do anything outside of securing end-to-end transmissions... I can't see anything new being introduced here...
Seriously - 1GB ram (512MB for low end installs) seems like an awful lot to me....
Join the 21st Century... take a look at their features page and you'll understand what this is for:
Windows Vista is designed to help make you more productive as you work with your PC throughout the day with new features like Sleep
I can feel my productivity rising already *yawn*.
-yb
Turns out the darker the roast, the longer the beans have to be roasted to become that dark. And the longer the beans are roasted, the more caffeine is destroyed
Not to mention that diff't coffee has diff't amounts of caffeine -- regional varieties are not all the same (which is why colombian coffee is diff't than mexican coffee, for example), and there are two main families of coffee -- arabica (which people are trained to think is 'the best' coffee), and robusta --- robusta is generally considered not as good tasting, but *does* generally have more caffeine than arabica beans, and also (in espresso-method preparation) gives good crema... in Italy traditional blends (for espresso) include robusta beans (/me thinks he remembers reading up to 40%)... some American advocates of robusta beans in a blend say between 10-20% of the beans can be robusta and yield a good espresso blend.
-yb
Mine came on friday...And no mystery announcement April 1st... I'm very happy I decided to get one now.
No announcement was their April Fool's joke. The mystery announcement is tomorrow.
-yb
A teen, in spiky blue hair with a bolt through his nose and tons of other piercings in beatup old all black clothes who demands you ignore their appearance and treat them just like everyone else.
If appereance doesn't matter (his point, thus I should treat him just like the guy wearing the suit), then what is the point of dressing that way?
Maybe the statement is that you do in fact treat them differently?
Let's say you want to buy a BMW. So you go to the dealership. Now who are you more likely to trust as a knowledgeable salesperson? A woman in a nice suit, or a women in a old jogging uniform?
Who would I trust? It depends what comes out of their mouths. If one seems like a greedy shuckster, and one know's what she's talking about, who cares what label is on their pants?
-yb
I don't know if there's iSCSI target/initiator software for NetBSD though.
A few days ago iSCSI target code and HOWTOs were submitted by Alistair Crooks... no initiator code yet. See here
Looks like it's in pkgsrc (devel/netbsd-iscsi)
-yb
"Come to Fritz's autos for a great deal on used Volkswagens". The cracked message told all other users only to visit trusted garages and not accept any offers of performance upgrades because such offers were the work of 'trojan enemy conspirators that operated like an unwanted virus in the body of our glorious Fatherland'.
That message still holds true today. Many people know that VW owners are a close-knit group of people (waving to each other on the road, helping each other when necessary).
I happened to be driving along in my beetle one day, when I noticed another VW beetle pulled over on the side of the road, and the driver looking distressed. I asked her what the problem was. She said she'd just had some work done on her car, but now it wasn't running properly.
We popped the front hood, but the whole compartment was empty! It was obvious what had happened: some unauthorized mechanic had taken her whole engine out and forgot to put it back. Luckily, I had a spare engine in the back of my car.
Let this be a warning to anybody else taking their VW to non-authorized service centers.
-yb
Pkgsrc has more software than OpenBSD's ports
;)
But that doesn't preclude running pkgsrc on OpenBSD, which I do -- OpenBSD3.8 running in qemu, on NetBSD3.0
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fitting that he's from Germany...
The interview was only mildly interesting, technically speaking, but I'd like to say that the "fit and finish" of the NetBSD operating system is the highest quality I've experienced. Things really seem to work well together, and it's quite a joy to use. It's obvious the whole OS is developed as an OS (versus a kernel w/ a bunch of other projects' programs), and that developers/decision makers think critically about their decisions... I liken it to (what I imagine) driving a BMW, versus a crappy economy car. Now if it only supported DRI for accelerated X --- perhaps that'll move forward w/ X Org gaining acceptance and momentum...
The screen is half VGA.
I didn't RTFA... what's the other half?
-yb
The only thing NetBSD lacks once 2.0 is released is an ALSA compatability layer.
That, and DRI in X. I've been using NetBSD for a year or so, and I love it. Everything feels well built. My biggest wish for it though is DRI. I'm currently running FreeBSD (which _does_ have DRI for X), but I'd be switching back the moment I heard Net had it.
-yb
As someone said before, I don't think usability can be thought in terms of "what grandma can use". I don't think such a thing is possible or even desirable (except for the companies wich only want to sell sell sell). You can make a friendly UI, easy to learn, but at some point you *have* to learn about some basic computer related concepts to understand what you're doing and what you can and cannot do with your PC.
Agreed. I'm reading Abbey's "Desert Solitaire" right now, and at one point he basically says that national parks shouldn't be made accessible to everybody... it requires much too much development, and that involves changing/destroying what people ought to be there for in the first place. He says old people had their chance, and the young kids will get theirs, so _don't_ make it completely accessible to the lowest common denominator. At a point you have to say "tough luck".
Perhaps this is what's necessary for GUI design as well. Should we shoot for the lowest common denominator, or choose a target audience that's more sophisticated? I know where I stand.
-yb
Sorry, not a geek joke, but a cat joke...:
Q: Two cats were having a contest to see who's the best. The first was named OneTwoThree, and the other UnDeuxTrois. The contest, swim across a lake. Who won?
A: OneTwoThree. UnDeuxTrois cat sank.
ba-dum bah!
um, it's not a bottom that being stretched, it's a hermaphrodite streching their vagina, look again
Uhh...ok, looking. Eww. Whoops. Forget to check. 1 sec. Eww.
I'm not so sure... Maybe you check again.
Holy Cow! You guys are milking this for all it's worth! Seriously, though, despite this being a setback for MS, I'm bullish. It had better pan out for them... look what they have at steak!
-yb
this posting is bullshit
First OpenSSH, then Sendmail...
Consistant use of best practices everywhere would prevent this, but that just doesn't happen. I don't actually use Sendmail (prefer exim), but I do use OpenSSH, and either way, these are both major applications... when is GCC going to be trojaned? And then will it be a week of compiling other apps and kernels and modules before it's discovered? I hope not.
That said, I'm not running anything but Linux/BSD and OpenSource software... wouldn't have it any other way.
-yb