Nice theory...but I propose a different darker ending. One were the other countries play scared and bow to the USA's sick patent and IP laws. All governments are corrupt. Money will always walk while hopes and dreams of us little people will always talk.
The only chance we have is to all work together and propose some reasonable solutions and then play the politcal blow job game. Being that most of us are introverts I don't really see this as a likely scenario....I do hope however.
I would also like to add that the people we brag about getting code to run in sync with memeory rotation, or who inline SSE assembly instuctions, or what ever other truely geeky thing are the programmers that are truely doing it for the love of it and these are also the ones who will still have jobs after the outsourcing thingy reaches it's peak. Fact is there are great programmers, good programmers, ok programmers and shitty programmers. Great programmers will succeed. They will always require that extra control that a language like C will afford them. Perhaps languages will be divided into professional langauges (think NFL) and learning langauges (thing college).. who knows. I will never slight a Java programmer, because he may be ten times smarter than me or he may write certain apps faster than me. But when speed is king ( I develop comutational chemistry apps) I will always use C++ as I can get the security through the STL and I can optimize to my hearts content. Yes I have written several routines of inline assemble that take advantage of the SSE2 registers. No a compiler will never write assembly as good as I do....ok never is a really long time, but currently gcc doesn't even come close, nor does intel.
Now I have a question...because I honestly do not know. Is it possible to inline assemble with Java? I guess you would probably loose a lot of your cross platform stuff with it huh?
Ahmen to that. Programming is pure logic...nothing more nothing less. Yeah you can do lots of logic without higher math, but at some point (ex. scientific code, games, graphics, ai, pretty much all the really cool stuff) you need the math....lots and lots of it. Yeah
I would have to say that I completely disagree with this guy. Nope I don't think even one of these things will come to pass. The tech will probably be there, but It will not be a mainsty to the way life works
"Trolltech advances the idea that software you create using the GPL version of QT can't be reused in a commercial product"
No this is not true. Troll Tech andvances the idea that QT cannot be used in a closed source application unless a commercial license is bought....you can't release a closed source GPL app regardless any way so how does it affect the GPL developer ina bad way?
Simply to paly devils advocate....you do realize that they employ a smal miniority of the worlds programmers right....And only a small fraction of IBM coders work on open source dev.
You make a very good point here. I guess if one follows the rabbit all the way down the hole then all software will be expected to be free. Then we would also have to expect that all corporations would fund the development of said software. Unfortunatly as soon as the corporate world has full control of software development then they will close the doors again...much as microsoft, Oracle and others did. I think that there needs to be a balance between free and commercial software. I personally see open source development as a sort of stepping stone to getting a job in the future. If any one actually thinks that OSS software will one day be the only option then I would have to disagree...of course I am quite often wrong, but I don't think that human nature is going to push people to develop what they dont get paid for....sure if the company is paying them to develop open source software then that is great, but as soon as the company quits then so does the software developer.
Why? Why was this modded redundant. This person is exactly the kind of person I would want working for me...less talk and more walk. Management in big companies slow the entire company down while debate this and that like politicians.
"If anyone creates a powerpoint presentation at any point during the development process, shoot them. Shoot them twice."
I would like to add that you should gut the body and sink it to the bottom of your lest favorite river so as not to get caught.
I have my own personal theory. Linux will be ready for the desktop when the number or truely computer literate people reaches critical mass....perhaps the current generation of pre-teen agers?
Who knows. It is certainly ready for me and has been for about 5 years now. Shit I am actually starting to get pretty damned windows illiterate....lol
I think it is the shear number of patents they own as well as what they have patented. I for one am for intellectual property...but there has to be a limit. I mean shit man it is getting so that you have to go chekc around the USPTO before you can begin work on some new project idea. What if I developed my idea indepndently of others...why should I be bound by their patent because they got it first..
Or lets say two companies..A and B are both working on a new technology for like 4 years now.
Suddenly A figures it out and starts the patent process. A half year later B finally makes the break though as well...guess what...B and all it's investors just lost every once of money and time the invested in the research...that is bullshit...IMHO
You are right this is the reason for patents....However, as anyone with a small software company can attest to, this is working in reverse. It is now keeping small companies without the funding to patent everything from being able to compete. Software should be held as a trade secret IMHO.
"How'd you get the money for a computer? " ---I started a business.
"Nevermind that somebody is paying for your internet access."
--Nope I pay for it myself.
"It's called capitalism, it actually works, and its the least wrong idea we've come up with so far"
---couldn't agree more here.
---still can't give up your rights.
"If you don't have a better idea," --so how many ideas have you brought into the world of busines....remember I own my own business.
"then stop mooching and start working."
--good point....I already worked 11 hours today...I should probably get some sleep...tomorrow...you know one of those big days were I have to go to the office...my own office.
Oh and for the sake of making a point to you again. I don't force my employees into unfair non-compete agreements...actually I encourage entreprenurial spirit....at the tone of splitting it straight down the line with them....funny thing is my previous employer...yeah they were only willing to give one percent on such endevours.
" So you're a monk right?"
--No..should meditate more..but no.
P.S. I didn't start my business to become a billionaire...I sis hoever start it to chase a dream...so perhaps you wouldn't mind STFUing yourself you moron.
Oh and BTW...you never made a single point about my post...as crude as my post actually was.
So then why do we have minimal wages. If someone is willing to work for $1.00/hr and they sign the contract....think about what you are saying man. You can't sighn away certain rights. The company should own all work you do in the field at work. You should not be allowed to take their IP oryour that you developed for them and leave, but if you develop an idea...hell even if it is related...on youy own time then you should have plenty of rights to it.
Don't let yourself be givein into the coporate greed....their is nothing wrong with being an employee, but you should retain a certain amount of rights.
"Nor could we deliver to our employee/shareholders an IPO or acquisition that will hopefully make them wealthy."
-uh yeah...go and fsck yourself you pathetic peice of shit.
There is more to life than your pitifull desire for wealth....maybe if you were half the coder you probably think you are then you could start the company without *gasp* vulture capital. and piss on the IPO. All you do is make money and lose control...but then you have probably never taken a company public so what would you know.
In the USA you have certain rights. These are rights that you can not sigh away, you can not give them away. You can not take away a persons right to think, you can never own a persons thoughts. You can however own any work he produces on "Company" time. If he uses all his own equipment and the ideas are reasonalby removed from what it is he is doing at work then you are obligated as a human, as a US citizen (yeah you corporate C types are still only US citizens...the human part is debatable) to give this person the same rights that you had when you started your business.
"what we are doing is, if anything, more important than what others are doing"
I hate you you egotistical fuck. If you could please just go crawl up under a pile of shit and die...perhaps your rotting fumes couwouldld provide some inspiration to others (us dumb folk) in the world.
How dare you claim that what you are doing is more important that what others are doing. I hope you die. I mean I really really hope that you just drop dead somewhere you fucking peice of shit.
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Nice theory...but I propose a different darker ending. One were the other countries play scared and bow to the USA's sick patent and IP laws. All governments are corrupt. Money will always walk while hopes and dreams of us little people will always talk.
The only chance we have is to all work together and propose some reasonable solutions and then play the politcal blow job game. Being that most of us are introverts I don't really see this as a likely scenario....I do hope however.
Yes FORTRAN is un-cool. It has been un-cool for 10-15 years now.
Could not agree with you more there. Java just is not the write once run any language that SUN marketed it to be. It is close, but it ain't there.
I would also like to add that the people we brag about getting code to run in sync with memeory rotation, or who inline SSE assembly instuctions, or what ever other truely geeky thing are the programmers that are truely doing it for the love of it and these are also the ones who will still have jobs after the outsourcing thingy reaches it's peak. Fact is there are great programmers, good programmers, ok programmers and shitty programmers. Great programmers will succeed. They will always require that extra control that a language like C will afford them. Perhaps languages will be divided into professional langauges (think NFL) and learning langauges (thing college).. who knows. I will never slight a Java programmer, because he may be ten times smarter than me or he may write certain apps faster than me. But when speed is king ( I develop comutational chemistry apps) I will always use C++ as I can get the security through the STL and I can optimize to my hearts content. Yes I have written several routines of inline assemble that take advantage of the SSE2 registers. No a compiler will never write assembly as good as I do....ok never is a really long time, but currently gcc doesn't even come close, nor does intel.
Now I have a question...because I honestly do not know. Is it possible to inline assemble with Java? I guess you would probably loose a lot of your cross platform stuff with it huh?
oh well just my two cents worth.
Ahmen to that. Programming is pure logic...nothing more nothing less. Yeah you can do lots of logic without higher math, but at some point (ex. scientific code, games, graphics, ai, pretty much all the really cool stuff) you need the math....lots and lots of it. Yeah
I would have to say that I completely disagree with this guy. Nope I don't think even one of these things will come to pass. The tech will probably be there, but It will not be a mainsty to the way life works
"Trolltech advances the idea that software you create using the GPL version of QT can't be reused in a commercial product"
No this is not true. Troll Tech andvances the idea that QT cannot be used in a closed source application unless a commercial license is bought....you can't release a closed source GPL app regardless any way so how does it affect the GPL developer ina bad way?
Simply to paly devils advocate....you do realize that they employ a smal miniority of the worlds programmers right....And only a small fraction of IBM coders work on open source dev.
You make a very good point here. I guess if one follows the rabbit all the way down the hole then all software will be expected to be free. Then we would also have to expect that all corporations would fund the development of said software. Unfortunatly as soon as the corporate world has full control of software development then they will close the doors again...much as microsoft, Oracle and others did. I think that there needs to be a balance between free and commercial software. I personally see open source development as a sort of stepping stone to getting a job in the future. If any one actually thinks that OSS software will one day be the only option then I would have to disagree...of course I am quite often wrong, but I don't think that human nature is going to push people to develop what they dont get paid for....sure if the company is paying them to develop open source software then that is great, but as soon as the company quits then so does the software developer.
Why? Why was this modded redundant. This person is exactly the kind of person I would want working for me...less talk and more walk. Management in big companies slow the entire company down while debate this and that like politicians.
"If anyone creates a powerpoint presentation at any point during the development process, shoot them. Shoot them twice."
I would like to add that you should gut the body and sink it to the bottom of your lest favorite river so as not to get caught.
Yeah...isn't it tho!
What a moron.
I have my own personal theory. Linux will be ready for the desktop when the number or truely computer literate people reaches critical mass....perhaps the current generation of pre-teen agers?
Who knows. It is certainly ready for me and has been for about 5 years now. Shit I am actually starting to get pretty damned windows illiterate....lol
"All of which are based on programs which are going to be litigated out of existence within a very few , short years."
You cannot litigate open source software out of business....it is open...remember.
"Public defenders do not handle IP/Patent cases."
Then I would do it myself...because I have no money to fight such a stupid case.
"nd then there is the GUI. KDE is a patent disaster waiting to happen"
This is all built on top of QT which is a commercial company. I am sure that it is in their best interests to avaoid patents issues.
"they can stretch this shit out for decades. Or until your legal fund is depleted)"
Deplete my legal fund...I will use public defenders to death do me part.
"Since it has no future, my time will be better spent learning and using XP."
What the hell is there to learn...point click..bingo
"The Good Fight has been fought, and lost, folks. "
Whos fighting. Do you really think IBM would spend a billion dollars a year if they thought open source was going to crash and burn?
Shucks and I wanted to follow the link...
I think it is the shear number of patents they own as well as what they have patented. I for one am for intellectual property...but there has to be a limit. I mean shit man it is getting so that you have to go chekc around the USPTO before you can begin work on some new project idea. What if I developed my idea indepndently of others...why should I be bound by their patent because they got it first..
Or lets say two companies..A and B are both working on a new technology for like 4 years now.
Suddenly A figures it out and starts the patent process. A half year later B finally makes the break though as well...guess what...B and all it's investors just lost every once of money and time the invested in the research...that is bullshit...IMHO
You are right this is the reason for patents....However, as anyone with a small software company can attest to, this is working in reverse. It is now keeping small companies without the funding to patent everything from being able to compete. Software should be held as a trade secret IMHO.
I owe you an apology. sorry. You are correct.
"a reasonable proprietary rights agreement signed by all the developers at the company is essential."
The key word is reasonable..my bitternes comes from having signed a very non reasonalbe agreement.
again I apologize.
-John
"How'd you get the money for a computer? "
---I started a business.
"Nevermind that somebody is paying for your internet access."
--Nope I pay for it myself.
"It's called capitalism, it actually works, and its the least wrong idea we've come up with so far"
---couldn't agree more here.
---still can't give up your rights.
"If you don't have a better idea,"
--so how many ideas have you brought into the world of busines....remember I own my own business.
"then stop mooching and start working."
--good point....I already worked 11 hours today...I should probably get some sleep...tomorrow...you know one of those big days were I have to go to the office...my own office.
Oh and for the sake of making a point to you again. I don't force my employees into unfair non-compete agreements...actually I encourage entreprenurial spirit....at the tone of splitting it straight down the line with them....funny thing is my previous employer...yeah they were only willing to give one percent on such endevours.
" So you're a monk right?"
--No..should meditate more..but no.
P.S. I didn't start my business to become a billionaire...I sis hoever start it to chase a dream...so perhaps you wouldn't mind STFUing yourself you moron.
Oh and BTW...you never made a single point about my post...as crude as my post actually was.
So then why do we have minimal wages. If someone is willing to work for $1.00/hr and they sign the contract....think about what you are saying man. You can't sighn away certain rights. The company should own all work you do in the field at work. You should not be allowed to take their IP oryour that you developed for them and leave, but if you develop an idea...hell even if it is related...on youy own time then you should have plenty of rights to it.
Don't let yourself be givein into the coporate greed....their is nothing wrong with being an employee, but you should retain a certain amount of rights.
Interesting...did they do it illegally? Must have if their previous employers owned all their ideas.
"Nor could we deliver to our employee/shareholders an IPO or acquisition that will hopefully make them wealthy."
-uh yeah...go and fsck yourself you pathetic peice of shit.
There is more to life than your pitifull desire for wealth....maybe if you were half the coder you probably think you are then you could start the company without *gasp* vulture capital. and piss on the IPO. All you do is make money and lose control...but then you have probably never taken a company public so what would you know.
In the USA you have certain rights. These are rights that you can not sigh away, you can not give them away. You can not take away a persons right to think, you can never own a persons thoughts. You can however own any work he produces on "Company" time. If he uses all his own equipment and the ideas are reasonalby removed from what it is he is doing at work then you are obligated as a human, as a US citizen (yeah you corporate C types are still only US citizens...the human part is debatable) to give this person the same rights that you had when you started your business.
Yeah...I sorta liked the contrast I put in there as well.
**Note to self....when feeling anger and hate...remove Ghandi sig.**
LOL
cheers
"what we are doing is, if anything, more important than what others are doing"
I hate you you egotistical fuck. If you could please just go crawl up under a pile of shit and die...perhaps your rotting fumes couwouldld provide some inspiration to others (us dumb folk) in the world.
How dare you claim that what you are doing is more important that what others are doing. I hope you die. I mean I really really hope that you just drop dead somewhere you fucking peice of shit.
Wow....that is a kick ass idea. If what you are saying could really work then you me friend might be on to a big money idea.