Would you rather the money you spent on your hypothetical new house go towards materials and workmanship, or to workers' compensation from on-the-job injuries that could have been prevented by observing government safety requirements?
Without making an appeal to your sense of humanity, you're only paying a finite amount of money. It can either go towards making your new home better or mending somebody else's broken bones, but not both (unless you want to pay more money).
Yeahhh... Somehow, I don't see Bill getting much flak in high school. He strikes me more as one of the student government/debate club people who came to school in khakis and collared shirts while everybody else was in jeans and a t-shirt.
"Most states don't even really try to keep illegal immigrants from voting!"
Their problem. Aside from prohibitions against denying suffrage for certain, specific reasons, enfranchisement (unlike naturalization) is not a federal matter.
Also, you are taking the interesting position that people who pay taxes and are counted in the Census, and therefore represented in Congress, should not be allowed to vote.
"Why don't we instead hear about them passing a new law that abolishes the old voter fraud statute and instead puts "intentionally false voting or aiding and abetting the same" as a possible condition for being prosectued for attempting to overthrow the democratically elected government? Seriously, what is voter fraud if not a low level attempt at a coup, especially if it actually changes the outcome of an election?"
Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.
"If there was any justice in this country, anyone convicted of organizing voter fraud would be given life in prison or, depending on the scale executed, and the regular plebes would be slapped with a minimum of a five year felony prison sentence."
Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.
"you have no right to participate if you won't prove that you're a citizen with the legal right to vote."
While I will bite the bullet here in order to maintain the integrity of my political beliefs, others would point out that you're looking to deny these people their right to vote without "due process."
A little bit of cheesecake at the end of the game is one thing. Basing the entire game on cheesecake, relying on it as a selling point (ala Tomb Raider) is something else.
What was the last non-Metroid game you played where the heroine didn't show any cleavage before the ending, if at all?
"so long as people plan their activities at logical times"
It is more logical for diurnal mammals to follow the sun. Medical science has repeatedly demonstrated that, all other factors being equal, we are both healthier and happier working during the daylight hours rather than night. Human beings are at their most fatigued at around 0400 local time no matter what their sleep schedule is. If mechanical time does not try to emulate the sun, it is just another wholly arbitrary number and will be arbitrarily ignored.
In art: The type of physical material with which a work of art is created.
Therefore, the medium would be "ink on paper" (instead of "oil on canvas" or "white granite"). If you are instead referring to a communications medium, then it would be "book" (as opposed to "sound recording" or "motion picture"). Once you start differentiating between the ink-on-paper works of Rumiko Takahashi and the ink-on-paper works of M. C. Escher, or between Takahashi's books and the books of Leo Tolstoy, you're talking about differences in style.
Music is not a medium, the medium would either be "sound" (artistic) or "compact disc" (communications). Music is a subject.
"manga is not a style, as the style of comics in japan is far too varied to be a genre."
By your argument, "rock-and-roll" cannot be a style because of all the variation within it in the United States alone (rockabilly, garage, grunge, alternative, techno, industrial, hip-hop, soul, pop, metal, acid, hard, soft, etc.)
"rock and roll shouldn't be called country music because it diverged too far away and IS a style which is why the name spreading with the style is ok."
So you can see a differnce betwen Elvis Presley and Johnny Cash, but not between Peach Fuzz and Katzenjammer Kids?
"i already said you DON'T call a car from toyota a kuruma but rather a car just like ford cars, and therefore names aren't nationalistic or whatever."
Why don't you, instead of saying "car from Japan" or "Japanese car," similar to what you suggest we use the word "manga" for? Why are you picking "manga" but not "kuruma," insisting on one word but not the other?
"you even say that mimicking the "style" of japanese manga means an american comic can be called "manga", therefore you ADMIT that manga does mean japanese..."
Do you even listen to yourself? Let me enumerate the progression you just made:
"Manga" doesn't mean "Japanese," therefore
Someone that isn't Japanese can do "manga," therefore
"Manga" must mean "Japanese"
Am I missing something here? Is that your argument, that A=B=(-A)?
"this conversation has no possibility of changing either of our opinions since we're not even talking about the same thing"
We ended a discussion of opinion a long time ago. This is about misused vocabulary and flawed logic.
"Didn't swatch introduce something like that "for people who communicate over the internet" in the '90s?"
It was a cross between a dumb idea and a publicity stunt. It was still based on the length of the day, the only real difference is that the day was measured from Bern instead of Greenwich (but Bern time is based off of Greenwich time, so it doesn't matter much anyway). The only "novel" thing was to divide a day into 1000 units that have pretty much nothing to do with seconds.
"with the "one drop" rule still strong enough to justify a "Hispanic" classification (that doesn't include people from Spain or, for that matter, people that only have European ancestors). I'm no expert at that, only talking about what I've seen in american TV shows and films, so again I could be mistaken."
Disclaimer: I don't claim to "speak for the community."
From looking at my mother's side of the family (I'm Hispanic enough for that "one drop" category), day to day it's not that big of a deal. It's a big deal in Hollywood and such as some people thinks it makes them more "exotic" or it panders to an ethnic minority of growing importance.
For me, at least, "white" isn't so much a shade of skin color so much as how much one "fits" into the anglo community, how "hyphenated" you are*, whether that one drop is noticable. Some people reject being called "white" as an effort to stand out (or perhaps blend in to a different community), but personally I don't care. I generally shy away from the "Hispanic" label simply because I don't speak a word of Spanish (beyond "titi" and "tio" around my extended family); when asked for government reporting purposes, I decline to answer, but most people assume I'm as white as they are.
*At any rate, in my case, I consider "Puerto Rican-American" to be redundant, like calling a Cajun a "Louisanan-American."
"while in the UK the term is used for people from India."
I'd imagine the UK has a lot more Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, etc. than most other European countries.
What I meant is that most of the people living on the American continents today are "Iberio-Americans." In many ways the US and Canada are culturally distinct from the rest of the Americas. I was trying to make the point that, even though people from Algeria may not look like people from Congo, they're all still "Africans," just as we're all still "Americans."
"Completely wrong. The French police let these areas become no law zones long before these riots began."
If the areas weren't being policed, either by themselves or by their appointees, the French police had abandoned their post, and the only question left is "When?"
"What, you don't think "allowing them to break the law with impunity" is pandering?"
When your job description is "Serve the public trust, protect the innocent, uphold the law," it's called "not doing your job."
"Hmm, so allowing them to break the law unchecked, it seems, WOULD BE THE EXACT DEFINITION of pandering."
Perhaps, but when the job description of a police force is the exact opposite, then that takes precedent.
Was the NOPD "pandering" looters after Katrina when they decided not to show up for work?
"If they abandon them because the child want to shoplift, and the parent knows it is going to happen, and leaves them to avoid dealing with it, then YES."
When that parent is then brought before a judge, they will be charged not with "child pandering" but "child abandonment," because the parent was not doing their job.
"What are they doing in France, living from its welfare system, if they hate it so much?"
Aside from looking for work, they want the French ideal referenced in my sig. They're looking for French ideals and they feel that French culture isn't letting them have it (detaining people for up to four hours to ask about their green cards doesn't sound very egalitarian to me).
Culture and ideals are not always in agreement. I just mentioned that in a JE. How can the immigrants be called "free" if they aren't allowed to pick and choose the parts of French culture they agree with?
"Did the '92 LA riots happen because the AA population wasn't assimilated after a few hundred years of residence?"
As much as the LA riots can be called "race riots" (the case is certainly not as clear-cut as Watts and Detroit), it wasn't blacks vs. whites, but blacks against the Koreans they felt they were being displaced by, a racial and lingual minority that was setting up shop in historically black neighborhoods and were considered hostile by many blacks. Rioting blacks weren't anti-white so much as they were anti-police, who they felt were giving special protection to the Koreans.
In order to compare the two, the Arab immigrants would have to be successful entrepeneurs and the white French would have to be the ones rioting.
"France, do the right thing; stop letting your homeland be invaded by a bunch of lazy, hateful, violent immigrants."
Yeah... "I hate you so much I want to live with you." Sure, I've seen girlfriends like that, but...
" Its the same in the UK where certain groups whine on about discrimition against ethic groups , until you have to point out to them that hindus, sikhs , chinese etc are all doing very well thank you. "
You're comparing France to the UK? Ouch!:)
Seriously, folks from the sub-continent or east Asia have been in the UK "forever," simply because the British established their rule in those parts of the world a very long time ago. The Chinese and Indians are bound to be more accepted simply because both the indigenous population has become acclimated to their presence and the established immigrant population has adapted reasonably well to being hyphenated Britons. It's a whole new ball game for new transplants and new communities, who can't rely on old-timers to bridge the lingual and cultural gap.
It's similar to what we saw in 1992 in Los Angeles; the black population was fairly well established and spoke English, while the Koreans were seen as newcomers and had the habit of speaking a foreign language to each other.
"society does NOT owe them a living."
Don't forget we're talking about a society that came in under arms, planted a flag, and told the Algerians "Congratultaions, you're now all French." We may have been real bastards in the Philippines, but we weren't half the bastards the French were in North Africa; really, we're talking about the country that forcibly re-conqured Indochina at the same time we granted the Philippines independence.
"call the French cowards for any attempt at appeasement etc."
Well... it's been almost two weeks now. I realize the Gendarmerie straddles the line a bit, but in 1992 California Governor Pete Wilson was asking for federal troops on the streets of Los Angeles on day 3.
I'm not sure which side this speaks ill of; the French, for not working harder to impose law and order, or the Americans, for their heavy-handed approach ("cover me").
(Of course, I'm not sure France has an LAPD they can blame for FUBARing the initial response.)
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Would you rather the money you spent on your hypothetical new house go towards materials and workmanship, or to workers' compensation from on-the-job injuries that could have been prevented by observing government safety requirements?
Without making an appeal to your sense of humanity, you're only paying a finite amount of money. It can either go towards making your new home better or mending somebody else's broken bones, but not both (unless you want to pay more money).
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Canada Post says to drop the "west."
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"Whilst this sort of thing has happened before saying it's definitely going to mutate is an overstatement."
While category 4 hurricanes have hit New Orleans before, saying it's definiately goin to happen again is an overstatement.
Yeahhh... Somehow, I don't see Bill getting much flak in high school. He strikes me more as one of the student government/debate club people who came to school in khakis and collared shirts while everybody else was in jeans and a t-shirt.
Their problem. Aside from prohibitions against denying suffrage for certain, specific reasons, enfranchisement (unlike naturalization) is not a federal matter.
Also, you are taking the interesting position that people who pay taxes and are counted in the Census, and therefore represented in Congress, should not be allowed to vote.
"Why don't we instead hear about them passing a new law that abolishes the old voter fraud statute and instead puts "intentionally false voting or aiding and abetting the same" as a possible condition for being prosectued for attempting to overthrow the democratically elected government? Seriously, what is voter fraud if not a low level attempt at a coup, especially if it actually changes the outcome of an election?" "If there was any justice in this country, anyone convicted of organizing voter fraud would be given life in prison or, depending on the scale executed, and the regular plebes would be slapped with a minimum of a five year felony prison sentence." "you have no right to participate if you won't prove that you're a citizen with the legal right to vote."
While I will bite the bullet here in order to maintain the integrity of my political beliefs, others would point out that you're looking to deny these people their right to vote without "due process."
A little bit of cheesecake at the end of the game is one thing. Basing the entire game on cheesecake, relying on it as a selling point (ala Tomb Raider) is something else.
What was the last non-Metroid game you played where the heroine didn't show any cleavage before the ending, if at all?
Insert "no" between "stating that" and "X360 games."
It could be something as simple as "Not all X360 boxen have HDDs and Microsoft is on record as stating X360 games will actually require an HDD."
I'm still waiting to see what S-E pulls out of their ass to fix that for FFXI.
Perhaps we should stop comparing this to the Dreamcast and start comparing it to the Saturn.
"It can't be anymore obvious what Sony thinks of their customers..."
Why shouldn't they? Sony has gotten to where it is today by relying on the way customers will drop trou and bend over for this sort of stuff.
"Hey, this thing you sold me is a rip--Oooh, shiney!"
But Bern is not on the 15 E longitude line. They rounded off to the nearest integer hour, just like everybody else.
"so long as people plan their activities at logical times"
It is more logical for diurnal mammals to follow the sun. Medical science has repeatedly demonstrated that, all other factors being equal, we are both healthier and happier working during the daylight hours rather than night. Human beings are at their most fatigued at around 0400 local time no matter what their sleep schedule is. If mechanical time does not try to emulate the sun, it is just another wholly arbitrary number and will be arbitrarily ignored.
Music is not a medium, the medium would either be "sound" (artistic) or "compact disc" (communications). Music is a subject.
"manga is not a style, as the style of comics in japan is far too varied to be a genre."
By your argument, "rock-and-roll" cannot be a style because of all the variation within it in the United States alone (rockabilly, garage, grunge, alternative, techno, industrial, hip-hop, soul, pop, metal, acid, hard, soft, etc.)
"rock and roll shouldn't be called country music because it diverged too far away and IS a style which is why the name spreading with the style is ok."
So you can see a differnce betwen Elvis Presley and Johnny Cash, but not between Peach Fuzz and Katzenjammer Kids?
"i already said you DON'T call a car from toyota a kuruma but rather a car just like ford cars, and therefore names aren't nationalistic or whatever."
Why don't you, instead of saying "car from Japan" or "Japanese car," similar to what you suggest we use the word "manga" for? Why are you picking "manga" but not "kuruma," insisting on one word but not the other?
"you even say that mimicking the "style" of japanese manga means an american comic can be called "manga", therefore you ADMIT that manga does mean japanese..."
Do you even listen to yourself? Let me enumerate the progression you just made:
- "Manga" doesn't mean "Japanese," therefore
- Someone that isn't Japanese can do "manga," therefore
- "Manga" must mean "Japanese"
Am I missing something here? Is that your argument, that A=B=(-A)?"this conversation has no possibility of changing either of our opinions since we're not even talking about the same thing"
We ended a discussion of opinion a long time ago. This is about misused vocabulary and flawed logic.
I'm getting so tired of repeating myself whenever this comes up. I'll keep it short until I'm goaded again:
"So what if it makes my 8am-5pm job change to 1am-9am"
Because instead of changing to 0100-0900 atomic time, they'll change to 0800-1700 sundial time.
"or if it means I eat lunch during the night."
Your biology will mind the lack of sunlight, which is why people will abandon mechanical time if mechanical time abandons solar time.
"Didn't swatch introduce something like that "for people who communicate over the internet" in the '90s?"
It was a cross between a dumb idea and a publicity stunt. It was still based on the length of the day, the only real difference is that the day was measured from Bern instead of Greenwich (but Bern time is based off of Greenwich time, so it doesn't matter much anyway). The only "novel" thing was to divide a day into 1000 units that have pretty much nothing to do with seconds.
"with the "one drop" rule still strong enough to justify a "Hispanic" classification (that doesn't include people from Spain or, for that matter, people that only have European ancestors). I'm no expert at that, only talking about what I've seen in american TV shows and films, so again I could be mistaken."
Disclaimer: I don't claim to "speak for the community."
From looking at my mother's side of the family (I'm Hispanic enough for that "one drop" category), day to day it's not that big of a deal. It's a big deal in Hollywood and such as some people thinks it makes them more "exotic" or it panders to an ethnic minority of growing importance.
For me, at least, "white" isn't so much a shade of skin color so much as how much one "fits" into the anglo community, how "hyphenated" you are*, whether that one drop is noticable. Some people reject being called "white" as an effort to stand out (or perhaps blend in to a different community), but personally I don't care. I generally shy away from the "Hispanic" label simply because I don't speak a word of Spanish (beyond "titi" and "tio" around my extended family); when asked for government reporting purposes, I decline to answer, but most people assume I'm as white as they are.
*At any rate, in my case, I consider "Puerto Rican-American" to be redundant, like calling a Cajun a "Louisanan-American."
"while in the UK the term is used for people from India."
I'd imagine the UK has a lot more Indians, Pakistanis, Bangladeshis, etc. than most other European countries.
What I meant is that most of the people living on the American continents today are "Iberio-Americans." In many ways the US and Canada are culturally distinct from the rest of the Americas. I was trying to make the point that, even though people from Algeria may not look like people from Congo, they're all still "Africans," just as we're all still "Americans."
" Remember: Sony didn't write the rootkit. They bought it from someone else."
Remember: your Friendly Neighborhood Crack Dealer didn't grow the coca. They bought it from someone else.
"Majoritarian" doesn't always mean "right." Frenchman Alexis de Tocqueville mentioned that a while ago.
"Completely wrong. The French police let these areas become no law zones long before these riots began."
If the areas weren't being policed, either by themselves or by their appointees, the French police had abandoned their post, and the only question left is "When?"
"What, you don't think "allowing them to break the law with impunity" is pandering?"
When your job description is "Serve the public trust, protect the innocent, uphold the law," it's called "not doing your job."
"Hmm, so allowing them to break the law unchecked, it seems, WOULD BE THE EXACT DEFINITION of pandering."
Perhaps, but when the job description of a police force is the exact opposite, then that takes precedent.
Was the NOPD "pandering" looters after Katrina when they decided not to show up for work?
"If they abandon them because the child want to shoplift, and the parent knows it is going to happen, and leaves them to avoid dealing with it, then YES."
When that parent is then brought before a judge, they will be charged not with "child pandering" but "child abandonment," because the parent was not doing their job.
"What are they doing in France, living from its welfare system, if they hate it so much?"
Aside from looking for work, they want the French ideal referenced in my sig. They're looking for French ideals and they feel that French culture isn't letting them have it (detaining people for up to four hours to ask about their green cards doesn't sound very egalitarian to me).
Culture and ideals are not always in agreement. I just mentioned that in a JE. How can the immigrants be called "free" if they aren't allowed to pick and choose the parts of French culture they agree with?
"Did the '92 LA riots happen because the AA population wasn't assimilated after a few hundred years of residence?"
As much as the LA riots can be called "race riots" (the case is certainly not as clear-cut as Watts and Detroit), it wasn't blacks vs. whites, but blacks against the Koreans they felt they were being displaced by, a racial and lingual minority that was setting up shop in historically black neighborhoods and were considered hostile by many blacks. Rioting blacks weren't anti-white so much as they were anti-police, who they felt were giving special protection to the Koreans.
In order to compare the two, the Arab immigrants would have to be successful entrepeneurs and the white French would have to be the ones rioting.
"France, do the right thing; stop letting your homeland be invaded by a bunch of lazy, hateful, violent immigrants."
Yeah... "I hate you so much I want to live with you." Sure, I've seen girlfriends like that, but...
" Its the same in the UK where certain groups
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whine on about discrimition against ethic groups , until you have to point
out to them that hindus, sikhs , chinese etc are all doing very well
thank you. "
You're comparing France to the UK? Ouch!
Seriously, folks from the sub-continent or east Asia have been in the UK "forever," simply because the British established their rule in those parts of the world a very long time ago. The Chinese and Indians are bound to be more accepted simply because both the indigenous population has become acclimated to their presence and the established immigrant population has adapted reasonably well to being hyphenated Britons. It's a whole new ball game for new transplants and new communities, who can't rely on old-timers to bridge the lingual and cultural gap.
It's similar to what we saw in 1992 in Los Angeles; the black population was fairly well established and spoke English, while the Koreans were seen as newcomers and had the habit of speaking a foreign language to each other.
"society does NOT owe them a living."
Don't forget we're talking about a society that came in under arms, planted a flag, and told the Algerians "Congratultaions, you're now all French." We may have been real bastards in the Philippines, but we weren't half the bastards the French were in North Africa; really, we're talking about the country that forcibly re-conqured Indochina at the same time we granted the Philippines independence.
"call the French cowards for any attempt at appeasement etc."
Well... it's been almost two weeks now. I realize the Gendarmerie straddles the line a bit, but in 1992 California Governor Pete Wilson was asking for federal troops on the streets of Los Angeles on day 3.
I'm not sure which side this speaks ill of; the French, for not working harder to impose law and order, or the Americans, for their heavy-handed approach ("cover me").
(Of course, I'm not sure France has an LAPD they can blame for FUBARing the initial response.)