(I tested with natively unix server applications. I'm sure it took some deep thought to figure this out).
To some people it might have. My complaint is that you compared native unix services to ported services ill-suited for the platform, and led us to believe that this meant linux was faster.
Would you please point me to some natively Windows DBMS/scripting languages that you actually believe may compete with any open-source systems I mentioned?
Sure. The Win2K/IIS/SQL Server/ASP platform is standard on Windows for what most would consider serious web development. For server-side langauges, take your pick. ASP supports Python, Perl, C++, C#, and of course VBScript. ISAPI solutions are generally considered to be higher-performance, but if your ISAPI program is merely loading a scripting engine, then interpreting script you write, what is the difference, except for losing all of the additional functionality provided with ASP, like application events and application variables? Also session, but you shouldn't be using that anyway for scalability reasons. ISAPI solutions aren't always more scalable, however, and unless you have source code for the dll, and can understand it, you can't really be sure you're getting the kind of performance you are looking for.
I'm sorry, but for my purposes, and my standards, ASP will never be in my repertoire (sounding out the big words for you) of 'effective' scripting languages.
I'm ignoring your sarcastic remarks about how I'm real stupid, and moving on to how you're referring to ASP as a language when it's not. ASP is no more a language than.NET or Apache. It's a platform you can use to make dynamic web pages using the scripting language of your choice. You still haven't told me exactly why ASP is out of the question, only that it's not faster than PHP ISAPI, which is unproven, and also probably not true.
See, I like to stride to use the fastest/cleanest native OS software available[...]
Judging by your choices for Windows, it seems that you "stride" (I think you meant strive) to use free software that was written for unix. As you discovered, this was not a good idea. I'm glad you switched platforms, because it was either that or switch to the proper software, and you didn't seem willing to do that.
How about this for a decent, unbiased comparison of the two OSes?:
Pick top professional developers from both camps, and ask them to write a system with the same functionality, since that's all the real world cares about anyway. For instance, an e-commerce site consisting of a registration page, a search page, a shopping basket, and a checkout page. Also, a set of reporting pages running queries and building web pages from the results.
Let the developers choose the language, platforms, webservers, databases, everything. Give them both equal hardware that they can configure as they choose, and allow only MS components on the Windows machines, with only free components on the Linux boxes. Distributed front-ends, one middle-tier box, and one DB server, all equal between the two.
Allow for 6 months to develop the system so that no-one creates low-level subsystems from scratch to suit their specific plans, but both teams have plenty of time to optimize. Present the same spec to both, and let them have at it. That should solve the problem once and for all. We could even offer several categories: ecommerce, client-server, OLAP, Data Mining, whatever.
I'm not a zealot either way, but I can tell you right off the bat why an application resting on MySQL would be slow. MySQL, mostly. Depending on what version you're running, MySQL for Windows either sucks, or really sucks. I've never used it on any unix system, but it's performance has never impressed anyone I've ever talked to on Windows. It is free, though, so I guess that's good.
I also notice you're using a PHP ISAPI module instead of ASP. Any reason for that, since ASP.dll comes free with IIS, and runs pretty quickly within it? It will execute nearly any scripting language know to man, so portability is not an issue.
I could admit that Windows generally requires more resources to complete the same task, but we all already knew that. What you've proven is that several free utilities written for unix don't run your custom code (which may or may not suck) very well on Windows. Thanks.
I went to check out the ZD article on standing up to Microsoft. What was planted right in the middle of text using phrases like "Arrogance XP"? That's right, a big "Explore in this space"-style Windows XP AD!
No shit! I love vinyl, and think the music industry shot itself in the foot with CDs in the first place. They made a cheap piece of plastic hold all of their product in data, then get upset when no one wants the cheap piece of plastic, but goes for the data on it. That's our fault, I guess, just like it's our fault when pop music sucks. I download all the music I want, then re-buy it on vinyl. That way I get the tunes, plus a beautiful collector's item. The artist gets their money. Unless the music sucks, then I don't buy it.
Boo hoo. Water processing plants and sewage water pump stations are still strategic targets as are factories, chemical processing plants, etc. Irag could probably do something about it, except that Saddam spends all his money on guns and cars, and lets his people starve in the streets. Not to mention, you didn't address my other point, which is that we attacked as an organized, marked military unit, and claim full responsibility for killing people. Of course, you're an AC, so you'll never see this reply anyway.
What USA needs is to finally get out of the Dark Age, and realise that human lives are actually worth something even if they're not american.
In a country with legalized abortion and the death penalty, you've got your work cut out for you, kiddo. Snort.
Who are we going to give it too? Starving goat herders? Disease ridden children in the streets?
That's not our problem. If you punch a bouncer in the face, expect to get your ass kicked. If your friends are standing there, too, they can expect the same. Cries of "...but I'm much much smaller than you, and my friends didn't have anything to do with this!" are not going to work. It's not our fault living in Afghanistan sucks, but it will be when it gets even worse.
Why would a people like this have to resort to "terrorism"? Because they are too damn poor and economically unimportant for places like America to listen to as we trample all over them in our desire extend our imperialist domain in the middle east.
You mean like most of sub-saharan Africa? Or southeast Asia? No shit, sherlock, they're poor. In the world of warfare, that means they get their asses kicked a lot, and if they can't get a military together, or pull off a non-violent revolution (a la India) they're fucked. Our "imperialist domain" basically extends to the far-off reaches of Puerto Rico. We kick ass in these countries in order to protect the way of life that allows you to own a computer. Considering our huge military, I think we've been quite the isolationists, compared to the golden age of most nations.
All this b.s. patriotism is borderline fascist mindf**king.
Nope. Just patriotism. Some Americans are proud of their country, including those who were not even born here. We feel that this attack has affected us personally. Maybe you don't. Freedom of speech allows you to voice that. At the same time it allows me to ask you to shut the fuck up.
When we firebombed north Iraq, could that not be considered an "act of terrorism" against the Iraqi people?
No, because we attacked (mostly) military targets in uniforms in jets with our country's flag on the side. That means that Iraq could have done the same to us, and we'd have to suck it up. We put our families and lives on the line, irregardless of how small the chance was of ever getting bombed. Terrorism takes place anonymously, without fear of repisal against your home country, and without providing a reciprocal target to kill. That makes it cowardly, and it also makes it terrorism.
Wasn't WWI a big enough lesson for the west?
Wasn't WWII a big enough lesson for you? When someone wants to kill everyone not like him, we must kill him and everyone near him. This is so he doesn't grow up to kill 6 million people in ovens. Thanks for the history lesson on The Big One, but no matter how that war started, it was our uninvolvement that allowed it to continue for so long and claim so many lives. Same as WWII and 'Nam. Look at The Persian Gulf conflict for the last time the USA did something right.
It does not "kick the mainstream media's ass". Most of it is stream-of-conciousness ranting from somebody with a Thesaurus. This article kicks ass, and doesn't do its best to piss everybody off with misinformed opinions on Mid-East politics. Mr Driver actually thinks the US is involved with the conflict in Israel because of oil! Even a fifth grader can tell you there is no oil in Israel, and it has no strategic value, like Suadi Arabia or Kuwait. America, with the largest population of Jews in the world (including Israel) is involved in Israel because American Jews vote for legislators and presidents that want America to be involved in Israel. There's a bunch of other crap in there, but I'm down to like 3 Karma, so fuck it.
Yeah, could someone foward it to my hotmail account? mccallclAThotmailDOTcom. Thanks. I'd like to take a look at this to see what the guts of this worm look like.
I get moderated down to -1, and this guy posts at +3? What the fuck is that? Go ahead and moderate this one down too, karma isn't the end of the world, but I'd hate to have to read at -1 just to read my own posts, especially when I shared the exact same opinion as this guy.
That was not flamebait. It was an attack on the author, and the concept of human life seen as a mistake. In other words, it wasn't flamebait, but flame. Sorry for having an opinion, and using quotation marks. Assholes.
I find it hard to believe that any mother actually giving birth to her child was considered a "mistake". I hope to God those children never grow up to read this article, and learn about the "mistake" that resulted in thier births.
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Depends. Best bet is still in your pocket, although depending on the airport and destination, you can get away with a couple of joints in a cigarette pack. As long as they don't X-ray the tray of pocket change.
I do judge you, as a coward and an idealist idiot who has no concept of war's place in history, or of the loss of American life yesterday. I never made a single racist remark, so thanks for bringing up that good old strawman. I have read the Koran, and no-where in it is the justification for terrorist actions like these. Have you read the Koran, Mr. Non-violent Justice? It was appeasement that lead to the slaughter of millions of innocent Jews, Catholics, gays and Gypsies during the Holocaust. Appeasement that you support. You should be ashamed.
What is it you are willing to do, Ian, to stand up for innocent (truly innocent, not gun-toting militia members) women and children? Demand a fucking trial? Pardon me if I'm not impressed. Will you take up a rifle and risk your life for those already dead in this tragedy, or will you sit there in your ergonomic chair and defend the monsters that commited this act of terrorism? American democracy is the pinnacle of world freedom, and an assualt against it is the same as an assault on all of civilization. Your tactic was used unsuccessfully throughout history, from the Romans to WW2. Your ideas have been proven worthless at the expense of millions of lives, so please don't waste any more by propagating them. You are outraged at my words because you are unable to stomach what is necessary to make sure that something like this never happens again. It is dirty work, but it must be done. This Jihad must end, and civilization must win. If you'd like to hug terrorists, feel free to book a flight to Afganistan. Make sure to wave an American flag once you get there, so that we don't have to have this discussion again.
These people are a disease. They threw candy in the streets at the news of the deaths of thousands of innocent Americans. We could give them the Holy Land, and they would still want anywhere Muslims have ever stepped foot. I was not a racist warmonger until yesterday, but I agree. Kill until no Muslim breathes air. They have worn out their welcome on planet Earth, and it is time for them to go. In order to prevent further loss of decent human life, they must be exterminated like the vermin they are. I will tell you why:
Anyone harboring terrorists must be sent a clear message that if the actions of their friends result in American deaths, they will die
Anyone considering gross destruction of American property and lives must know that their friends and family will pay for their actions, and the deaths of their children and parents will not be as "glorious" as theirs
Goverments that allow these people asylum will cease to exist
Now that might curb Islamic terrorism, don't you think? Your desire to treat these people "justly" smacks of cowardice and naievete. If you are not willing to stand up and fight against the slaughter of helpless innocents, maybe a time machine can be arranged, so that you can go treat Hitler with the justice he thought he deserved. I hope to God you are not an American, or for the first time, I am ashamed to be one myself.
Hi. I went on a job interview one time with C.E.C. Entertainment (Chuck E.'s parent company) for a software engineering job at their headquarters outside of Dallas. Learned some interesting (and hopefully non-classified) things about them:
Most of their business runs off of one IBM mini-computer that they rent, along with the software package that's been running their business for the last few years. They host this machine in-house, in Dallas.
Systems-wise, almost nothing has changed since the early days. Seems to still work OK, according to the other systems guys there, but new features are hard to add.
They have a full-on "Pizza Lab" where they try out new recipes.
They also have an animatronics development studio complete with costume shop and stage where they make new routines for the creepy robots.
The headquarters building looks much like the inside of a Chuck E. Cheese store. It has a non-working fountain.
People who work there don't seem to be having as much fun as you would think, but they like their jobs more than most
Considering Microsoft had a "monopoly" on operating system software running on Intel-based desktop microcomputers, what would the proposed seperate companies look like? Here's a suggestion:
MSServerOS: Server operating systems for Intel-based microcomputers
MSDesktopOS: Desktop operating systems for Intel-based microcomputers
MSAppDev: Productivity applications and development environments for Intel-based desktop microcomputers
MSEE: Everything else
We can only hope that Microsoft is found guilty of violating anti-trust laws for its monopoly on quality flight simulators for Windows running on Intel-based desktop microcomputers, so that the DoJ can deliver the righteous smackdown for such evil business practices. What's next for Microsoft if left unchecked? Domination of some other niche segment of society, like fuel pumps for Volvo engines (diesel only, of course)? You wanna talk about a monopoly, look at the U.S. Postal service. Those guys deliver almost ALL of our mail! Poor little FedEx and UPS can't compete against a 30-something cent stamp! And what about breeders of carrier pigeons, and smoke signal artisans? Sure, their techniques are more expensive and harder to use, but don't they get a chance, too? We can't expect them to actually respond to what customers want, or stop charging outrageous fees for difficult-to-use products. We should split the USPS up instead. Punish them for their efficiency and the unbelievable hubris they exibited by trying to be successful. I mean, this is America, land of tightly controlled and needlessly regulated opportunity. I myself want government to get involved as often as possible in the dealings of business, especially if a product is unfairly underpriced, or is bundled with too much free (AIB) stuff. Who wants cheap stuff that regular people can actually use? Not me, and not America! Go get 'em DOJ!
He wasn't talking about code, he was talking about software. Few programmers seem to know the difference, but it's there. You can't use code to make your business work.
Well, it depends. For a small band, this is true. Since the costs of making (read:marketing) music are so high, the artists' only stream of relatively unfettered cash is from venue owners for playing. In the case of Brittney Spears or Madonna, the costs of touring often nearly offset the ticket sales. These artists spend millions on pyro, lights, personnel and travel. After all is said and done, they only (ONLY?) make a few hundred grand. The profit comes when all of the kids that catch the tour rush out to the record stores and buy CDs. Either beforehand, or afterwards. Also, radio tends to play the songs of an artist when he/she comes to town, which further boosts record sales. Between that and ticket giveaways, you get a lot of exposure for your album everytime you play a new city. By the time ticketmaster, your manager, your dancers, costum-makers, etc, etc get their cut, you're better off selling records than concert tickets.
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Good point, so why not add a "maintainablity challenge"? Spring a suprise change on them midway through?
"Overrated"? At ONE? Wow, nice.
I am amazed by your grasp of the obvious
.NET or Apache. It's a platform you can use to make dynamic web pages using the scripting language of your choice. You still haven't told me exactly why ASP is out of the question, only that it's not faster than PHP ISAPI, which is unproven, and also probably not true.
Thanks. I got an "A" in The Obvious in Jr. High.
(I tested with natively unix server applications. I'm sure it took some deep thought to figure this out).
To some people it might have. My complaint is that you compared native unix services to ported services ill-suited for the platform, and led us to believe that this meant linux was faster.
Would you please point me to some natively Windows DBMS/scripting languages that you actually believe may compete with any open-source systems I mentioned?
Sure. The Win2K/IIS/SQL Server/ASP platform is standard on Windows for what most would consider serious web development. For server-side langauges, take your pick. ASP supports Python, Perl, C++, C#, and of course VBScript. ISAPI solutions are generally considered to be higher-performance, but if your ISAPI program is merely loading a scripting engine, then interpreting script you write, what is the difference, except for losing all of the additional functionality provided with ASP, like application events and application variables? Also session, but you shouldn't be using that anyway for scalability reasons. ISAPI solutions aren't always more scalable, however, and unless you have source code for the dll, and can understand it, you can't really be sure you're getting the kind of performance you are looking for.
I'm sorry, but for my purposes, and my standards, ASP will never be in my repertoire (sounding out the big words for you) of 'effective' scripting languages.
I'm ignoring your sarcastic remarks about how I'm real stupid, and moving on to how you're referring to ASP as a language when it's not. ASP is no more a language than
See, I like to stride to use the fastest/cleanest native OS software available[...]
Judging by your choices for Windows, it seems that you "stride" (I think you meant strive) to use free software that was written for unix. As you discovered, this was not a good idea. I'm glad you switched platforms, because it was either that or switch to the proper software, and you didn't seem willing to do that.
How about this for a decent, unbiased comparison of the two OSes?:
Pick top professional developers from both camps, and ask them to write a system with the same functionality, since that's all the real world cares about anyway. For instance, an e-commerce site consisting of a registration page, a search page, a shopping basket, and a checkout page. Also, a set of reporting pages running queries and building web pages from the results.
Let the developers choose the language, platforms, webservers, databases, everything. Give them both equal hardware that they can configure as they choose, and allow only MS components on the Windows machines, with only free components on the Linux boxes. Distributed front-ends, one middle-tier box, and one DB server, all equal between the two.
Allow for 6 months to develop the system so that no-one creates low-level subsystems from scratch to suit their specific plans, but both teams have plenty of time to optimize. Present the same spec to both, and let them have at it. That should solve the problem once and for all. We could even offer several categories: ecommerce, client-server, OLAP, Data Mining, whatever.
Otherwise, nothing is really proved.
Isn't that already how most free software works?
Oh, except minus the manual.
I'm not a zealot either way, but I can tell you right off the bat why an application resting on MySQL would be slow. MySQL, mostly. Depending on what version you're running, MySQL for Windows either sucks, or really sucks. I've never used it on any unix system, but it's performance has never impressed anyone I've ever talked to on Windows. It is free, though, so I guess that's good.
I also notice you're using a PHP ISAPI module instead of ASP. Any reason for that, since ASP.dll comes free with IIS, and runs pretty quickly within it? It will execute nearly any scripting language know to man, so portability is not an issue.
I could admit that Windows generally requires more resources to complete the same task, but we all already knew that. What you've proven is that several free utilities written for unix don't run your custom code (which may or may not suck) very well on Windows. Thanks.
I went to check out the ZD article on standing up to Microsoft. What was planted right in the middle of text using phrases like "Arrogance XP"? That's right, a big "Explore in this space"-style Windows XP AD!
Nice.
No shit! I love vinyl, and think the music industry shot itself in the foot with CDs in the first place. They made a cheap piece of plastic hold all of their product in data, then get upset when no one wants the cheap piece of plastic, but goes for the data on it. That's our fault, I guess, just like it's our fault when pop music sucks. I download all the music I want, then re-buy it on vinyl. That way I get the tunes, plus a beautiful collector's item. The artist gets their money. Unless the music sucks, then I don't buy it.
Boo hoo. Water processing plants and sewage water pump stations are still strategic targets as are factories, chemical processing plants, etc. Irag could probably do something about it, except that Saddam spends all his money on guns and cars, and lets his people starve in the streets. Not to mention, you didn't address my other point, which is that we attacked as an organized, marked military unit, and claim full responsibility for killing people. Of course, you're an AC, so you'll never see this reply anyway.
What USA needs is to finally get out of the Dark Age, and realise that human lives are actually worth something even if they're not american.
In a country with legalized abortion and the death penalty, you've got your work cut out for you, kiddo. Snort.
Who are we going to give it too? Starving goat herders? Disease ridden children in the streets?
That's not our problem. If you punch a bouncer in the face, expect to get your ass kicked. If your friends are standing there, too, they can expect the same. Cries of "...but I'm much much smaller than you, and my friends didn't have anything to do with this!" are not going to work. It's not our fault living in Afghanistan sucks, but it will be when it gets even worse.
Why would a people like this have to resort to "terrorism"? Because they are too damn poor and economically unimportant for places like America to listen to as we trample all over them in our desire extend our imperialist domain in the middle east.
You mean like most of sub-saharan Africa? Or southeast Asia? No shit, sherlock, they're poor. In the world of warfare, that means they get their asses kicked a lot, and if they can't get a military together, or pull off a non-violent revolution (a la India) they're fucked.
Our "imperialist domain" basically extends to the far-off reaches of Puerto Rico. We kick ass in these countries in order to protect the way of life that allows you to own a computer. Considering our huge military, I think we've been quite the isolationists, compared to the golden age of most nations.
All this b.s. patriotism is borderline fascist mindf**king.
Nope. Just patriotism. Some Americans are proud of their country, including those who were not even born here. We feel that this attack has affected us personally. Maybe you don't. Freedom of speech allows you to voice that. At the same time it allows me to ask you to shut the fuck up.
When we firebombed north Iraq, could that not be considered an "act of terrorism" against the Iraqi people?
No, because we attacked (mostly) military targets in uniforms in jets with our country's flag on the side. That means that Iraq could have done the same to us, and we'd have to suck it up. We put our families and lives on the line, irregardless of how small the chance was of ever getting bombed. Terrorism takes place anonymously, without fear of repisal against your home country, and without providing a reciprocal target to kill. That makes it cowardly, and it also makes it terrorism.
Wasn't WWI a big enough lesson for the west?
Wasn't WWII a big enough lesson for you? When someone wants to kill everyone not like him, we must kill him and everyone near him. This is so he doesn't grow up to kill 6 million people in ovens. Thanks for the history lesson on The Big One, but no matter how that war started, it was our uninvolvement that allowed it to continue for so long and claim so many lives. Same as WWII and 'Nam. Look at The Persian Gulf conflict for the last time the USA did something right.
It does not "kick the mainstream media's ass". Most of it is stream-of-conciousness ranting from somebody with a Thesaurus. This article kicks ass, and doesn't do its best to piss everybody off with misinformed opinions on Mid-East politics. Mr Driver actually thinks the US is involved with the conflict in Israel because of oil! Even a fifth grader can tell you there is no oil in Israel, and it has no strategic value, like Suadi Arabia or Kuwait. America, with the largest population of Jews in the world (including Israel) is involved in Israel because American Jews vote for legislators and presidents that want America to be involved in Israel. There's a bunch of other crap in there, but I'm down to like 3 Karma, so fuck it.
Yeah, could someone foward it to my hotmail account? mccallclAThotmailDOTcom. Thanks. I'd like to take a look at this to see what the guts of this worm look like.
Just a guess, but you don't live in Texas, do you?
Certainly not New York, because New Yorkers have been living without most of their personal freedoms since as long as I can remember.
Safety first. Check Maslow's Hierarchy for further reference.
I get moderated down to -1, and this guy posts at +3? What the fuck is that? Go ahead and moderate this one down too, karma isn't the end of the world, but I'd hate to have to read at -1 just to read my own posts, especially when I shared the exact same opinion as this guy.
That was not flamebait. It was an attack on the author, and the concept of human life seen as a mistake. In other words, it wasn't flamebait, but flame. Sorry for having an opinion, and using quotation marks. Assholes.
I find it hard to believe that any mother actually giving birth to her child was considered a "mistake". I hope to God those children never grow up to read this article, and learn about the "mistake" that resulted in thier births.
What a fucking pansy...
That means a lot, coming from an AC.
Depends. Best bet is still in your pocket, although depending on the airport and destination, you can get away with a couple of joints in a cigarette pack. As long as they don't X-ray the tray of pocket change.
I do judge you, as a coward and an idealist idiot who has no concept of war's place in history, or of the loss of American life yesterday. I never made a single racist remark, so thanks for bringing up that good old strawman. I have read the Koran, and no-where in it is the justification for terrorist actions like these. Have you read the Koran, Mr. Non-violent Justice? It was appeasement that lead to the slaughter of millions of innocent Jews, Catholics, gays and Gypsies during the Holocaust. Appeasement that you support. You should be ashamed.
What is it you are willing to do, Ian, to stand up for innocent (truly innocent, not gun-toting militia members) women and children? Demand a fucking trial? Pardon me if I'm not impressed. Will you take up a rifle and risk your life for those already dead in this tragedy, or will you sit there in your ergonomic chair and defend the monsters that commited this act of terrorism? American democracy is the pinnacle of world freedom, and an assualt against it is the same as an assault on all of civilization. Your tactic was used unsuccessfully throughout history, from the Romans to WW2. Your ideas have been proven worthless at the expense of millions of lives, so please don't waste any more by propagating them. You are outraged at my words because you are unable to stomach what is necessary to make sure that something like this never happens again. It is dirty work, but it must be done. This Jihad must end, and civilization must win. If you'd like to hug terrorists, feel free to book a flight to Afganistan. Make sure to wave an American flag once you get there, so that we don't have to have this discussion again.
Now that might curb Islamic terrorism, don't you think? Your desire to treat these people "justly" smacks of cowardice and naievete. If you are not willing to stand up and fight against the slaughter of helpless innocents, maybe a time machine can be arranged, so that you can go treat Hitler with the justice he thought he deserved. I hope to God you are not an American, or for the first time, I am ashamed to be one myself.
We can only hope that Microsoft is found guilty of violating anti-trust laws for its monopoly on quality flight simulators for Windows running on Intel-based desktop microcomputers, so that the DoJ can deliver the righteous smackdown for such evil business practices. What's next for Microsoft if left unchecked? Domination of some other niche segment of society, like fuel pumps for Volvo engines (diesel only, of course)? You wanna talk about a monopoly, look at the U.S. Postal service. Those guys deliver almost ALL of our mail! Poor little FedEx and UPS can't compete against a 30-something cent stamp! And what about breeders of carrier pigeons, and smoke signal artisans? Sure, their techniques are more expensive and harder to use, but don't they get a chance, too? We can't expect them to actually respond to what customers want, or stop charging outrageous fees for difficult-to-use products. We should split the USPS up instead. Punish them for their efficiency and the unbelievable hubris they exibited by trying to be successful. I mean, this is America, land of tightly controlled and needlessly regulated opportunity. I myself want government to get involved as often as possible in the dealings of business, especially if a product is unfairly underpriced, or is bundled with too much free (AIB) stuff. Who wants cheap stuff that regular people can actually use? Not me, and not America! Go get 'em DOJ!
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He wasn't talking about code, he was talking about software. Few programmers seem to know the difference, but it's there. You can't use code to make your business work.
That's exactly what I meant, except for smaller acts, where the album sales are more helpful generating ticket sales than providing profit themselves.
Well, it depends. For a small band, this is true. Since the costs of making (read:marketing) music are so high, the artists' only stream of relatively unfettered cash is from venue owners for playing. In the case of Brittney Spears or Madonna, the costs of touring often nearly offset the ticket sales. These artists spend millions on pyro, lights, personnel and travel. After all is said and done, they only (ONLY?) make a few hundred grand. The profit comes when all of the kids that catch the tour rush out to the record stores and buy CDs. Either beforehand, or afterwards. Also, radio tends to play the songs of an artist when he/she comes to town, which further boosts record sales. Between that and ticket giveaways, you get a lot of exposure for your album everytime you play a new city. By the time ticketmaster, your manager, your dancers, costum-makers, etc, etc get their cut, you're better off selling records than concert tickets.